JIMMY FALLON AND MAYA HAWKE ARE BYLER SHIPPERS
Everyone wanted Byler
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JIMMY FALLON AND MAYA HAWKE ARE BYLER SHIPPERS
Everyone wanted Byler
Stranger Things Finale and Byler
None of us are wrong. The Duffer Brothers, Shawn Levy, Netflix are wrong. This was the most elaborate queerbait in media history (My video). They are ones who embarrassed themselves and should be ashamed.
They fully prepared a Byler ending -- more systematically I believe than any other show -- to increase queer viewership, and didn't clarify it wouldn't happen until the very end.
Byler WAS prepared. It is apparent -- and this likely might never be confirmed in a public statement, and it might even be contradicted by the Duffers -- that they were preparing for Byler at the time Season 4 ended. There's just too much evidence for it to have been otherwise. The Duffers literally told Finn Wolfhard that Will's lie about the painting would "pay off." And then at some point they chickened out. It's not clear when the turning point happened: Volume 1 seemed to build up Byler, only for Volume 2 to tear it down. Some internal power struggle occurred (with Netflix? with the Duffers' future employer Paramount?), and the consolation prize is the subtextual ending we got.
So, instead of having Mike's behavior in seasons 3 and 4 be explained by internalized homophobia -- countless "Mikes" in my comment sections said they recognized in him their own struggles portrayed to a tee and found his story so inspiring -- they decided to make Mike be an inconsistent, poorly-written ASSHOLE who was a terrible friend and terrible boyfriend for no reason. And they decided to feature Mileven, an awful model of a "healthy" relationship taped together by Will's love, as the show's "main romance," after all.
They undermined their own message with the Jonathan/Nancy breakup of prioritizing authenticity instead of artificially propping up a relationship formed by shared trauma. They have sided with conformity and betrayed what they claimed were the core themes of this show of uplifting the marginalized and the outcast.
No, Duffer Brothers: gay inclusion does not mean you didn't QUEERBAIT. And you don't earn gay brownie points for "gay representation" either. I've seen comments by queer people feeling distress and panic watching your coming-out scene, a DISempowering scene compared to the empowering scene in "Sorcerer." In a recent interview, the Duffers had the audacity to compare Will's love for Mike to unrequited "crushes" they had growing up. When Will has been deeply in LOVE with him for years (for good reason, given Mike's canon love for him), and Will said he needs Mike and he "always will"! It's confirmed that they originally planned to NOT have Mike and Will's conversation climbing the tower and that Noah had to ask for it. They literally were going to let Will's coming-out be the last word on this between them! IF WILL WERE A GIRL, the Duffers wouldn't have dismissed her love as a mere "crush." The psychologized Will's genuine, real love that DID seem reciprocated as a symptom of gay self-delusion that he should be ashamed of and move on from.
They required "realism" for the long-suffering gay boy who sadly said he was "never gonna fall in love." If this show is about "realism," then why did the Duffers a hetero male self-insert in Mike, a nerdy boy who finds a superpowered girlfriend who you can satisfy simply by saying "I Love You" despite treating her like shit? El's line saying Mike has always "understood" and "seen" her, when he completely did NOT understand her, gaslit her, and made her feel like a monster in Season 4, was a travesty. He didn't even say "I love you" when she said it before she died!
Why does Max get to have a boyfriend whose love saves her from Vecna? Why is there no sign that Robin is dating Vickie -- or any girl for that matter -- in the epilogue? (They even made Robin present as more femme as well! And in her scene, we hear about all the other characters' lives, but not Robin's -- god forbid that it's gay!) And Rovickie didn't threaten a straight relationship and would've been low-risk for them; still, they didn't do that even. Will never even got to fuckin KISS his epilogue date. Duffers: why do only straight people find LOVE in your show? With Will's painting and veiled love confession, they literally let a gay boy's sacrifice and feelings be what repairs a straight couple's relationship.
And why did you present us as "safe" and palatable for straight people? A RESPECTFUL portrayal of a gay coming-out arc would’ve had Will rejected by Mike early enough so that he'd have time to find a romantic relationship in the show like every straight character did. Why did you have Will ultimately assume his love was unrequited in advance, when you DID show hints Mike likes Will back and even had Will have a look of recognition when Robin talked about shared looks and bumps of the elbow? Why did you erase the existence of closeted gay people who try to conform by dating the opposite sex, and of bi people? And why, on the radio tower, after Will made clear he had a crush on Mike, NOT have them hug when Mike said they were best friends, when they've hugged before? Was it because Mike knows Will is gay and likes him, and so it would be too icky now? We were even denied PLATONIC intimacy between them after Will came out. Will never even gets to kiss his date in the end!
Speaking of being "safe" and palatable, why did Will only plead with Vecna instead of use his powers to kick his fuckin ass? What's "gay empowerment" if Will doesn't ACT on being gay and doesn't use his POWER?
They absolutely built up hope that Byler would happen with how they wrote Mike, El, and Will's relationships, including first and foremost the Cyrano Trope where they had Mike fall in love with WILL'S painting and WILL'S feelings thinking they came from El. And the mountain of other clues and how Mike clearly viewed Will differently -- "It's Hawkins, it's not the same without you." They placed easter eggs even into the last season -- having Ted smash down Mike's closet door, the gay sexual references, the blue and yellow swings -- that they knew Byler fans would find hope in. They had Will talk to Robin about finding signs of interest from Mike WITH HOPE. And all this time the creators never clarified that Byler wouldn't happen, in order to keep queer people watching. In my last video I asked: "With every choice you made, were you in fact LAUGHING at the LGBT+ people you were giving hope to? And opening up to ridicule?" They apparently DID. This was shameful, cruel, and indefensible.
To our (limited) fortune, Byler lives on in subtext. All the evidence is that Mike has more-than-friend feelings for Will, and is grieving over the loss of his first love. And El's imagined happy ending did not include a romantic future with Mike.
And, after seeing comments, I rewatched Mike putting his D&D book next to Will's. Mike stares at Will's D&D book which takes up half the frame, and breaks down when placing his own book to it, then caresses it next to Will's. It was a nod to Byler. The Duffers never explicitly ruled out Mike having romantic feelings for Will in canon, and Will's painting is on his wall. Read this way, we end with the tragic story of an overall-emotionally-repressed boy still in the closet.
It was cowardly by the writers, but Byler still lives on.
BYLER IS REAL. It ABSOLUTELY is there. They just didn't make it canon. But they created a relationship in subtext that makes more sense and is more heroic and beautiful than any other romantic relationship in the show, that has inspired queer and straight people who have left beautiful comments in my comment sections. The hope and fire they lit in US will not burn out. There will be many MORE amazing fanfics that come out of this beautiful relationship that was prepared but not made canon.
They absolutely knew we exist and who we are, when they played David Bowie's "Heroes" during the credits. A song about forbidden love that society looks down on, which they didn't have the courage to actually portray. They gave lip-service to heroism, but weren't heroic themselves. Money walks and talks, and the Duffers SOLD OUT.
But no network corporate execs or the Duffer Brothers have the right or the ABILITY to dictate what WE do.
We will continue to live the lives we were destined to live, fictional shows be damned. If we can survive the dark ages of the 1980s, we can survive now. And we are fortunate to have shows with better queer representation than our forebears ever had. Besides, if Byler were canon, it would have been a fictional story after all. What would have mattered is what we'd have done with it after. BYLER LIVES. Byler lives in what WE DO. We'll still create fanfics; we'll fight for the millions of Mikes and Wills out there to be themselves and find love. And as far as I'm concerned, Will's moment at the end of Sorcerer is the canon conclusion of his coming-out arc -- not pleading for acceptance, but asserting his RIGHT TO LOVE. THAT is the fierceness of OUR COMMUNITY who has managed to win huge progress in a society where our love was once illegal and criminalized. We didn't need a Stranger Things when we rioted at Stonewall. We don't need a show to raise our fists and live OUR lives the way WE want to and WILL.
Take care of yourselves, everyone! And continue to EXPECT and DEMAND equality and respect! We are RIGHT to be angry!
-teambyler
Somebody cast Finn and Noah into a romantic gay period piece right now because holy fuck that’s wasted chemistry
wow guys! can't for volume 2 tonight! it's going to be great! haha!
what's all this then?
i SAW mike wheeler's lingering stare at will's d&d binder, and i SAW as he gently ran his finger down the spine of BOTH his and will's binders. I SAW THAT. don't you dare tell me he didn't love him
I said this before. Queerbaiting never feels to me like queer rep taken away. It always feels like a queer person left in the closet to rot.
How did they get those degrees?
whoever runs the Tumblr twt account is Bylering the fuck out rn 😭😭😭
oooooh i cant wait for noahs nda to expireeee
interview with the duffers saying byler fans were just “noise” and “mike and eleven were always endgame” makes NO DAMN SENSE bc they also said the original plan was to kill Eleven at the end of season 1????? LIKE HUH???? im so confused and this whole situation is cruel honestly.
no because look at me and tell me that this is not the look of “ive been yearning for you all my life and I love you with all my heart” on BOTH OF THEIR FACES.
did they forget to tell finn and noah that mike and will “are just friends. best friends 😃”
THE BIG TUMBLR ITSELF. I CACKLED @miwiromantics
The Stranger Things creators reveal why they never pivoted toward a romantic relationship between Mike and Will, despite intense fan specula
Wait, so we're supposed to take your word for it Duffers, that Byler was never planned and simply an "external pressure" from fans that you treated as "noise" to block out?
The way Finn took your word for it when you told him that the van scene and the Painting Lie would pay off?
Proves Mike WAS your self-insert, the way you're trying (but failing) to GASLIGHT the fandom.
Did Netflix pressure you to back down? Some of us are actually giving you CREDIT Duffers, thinking you weren't simply evil and cruel for five seasons, and that you intended it but chickened out due to pressures. So now you're just their mouthpiece covering their ass?
How dare you play "Heroes" during the credits while being cowards yourselves.
And what you now say actually males you look MORE malicious, because if you knew it was never going to happen 9+ years ago you failed to rule it out, which even the creators of Supernatural and Sherlock had the courtesy of doing. And now gaslighting the fandom for thinking that you wouldn't queerbait them worse than those shows did.
-teambyler
they definitely changed Byler's whole vol 1 dynamic after something happened in the writers room or with Netflix cuz they're so different in vol 2 and 3, they were supposed to be canon until the beginning of episode 5, then they completely changed
they also hid this
also
The M*leven kiss to Purple Rain was actually offensive
Okay, I showed this scene to ChatGPT and asked what it means from a screenwriter's point of view. I added that Mike was crying and Will was in love with Mike, but now the viewer doesn't know if he's moved on or not. (I'm curious and I am bored lol):
people see this and then proceed to say it was never queerbait are you serious