#antizukka

[tea-and-la]

i find it hilarious when antis say that zukkas and zutophs and jetkos are the only ones who "do zuko ships right" and "don't make them assimilate" bc where tf do you think zukkas got the idea of sokka being a SWT ambassador from?? lmao

[soareleandluna]

I'm so sick of people in this fandom acting like it's disrespectful towards Aang and Katara to ship Zutara when people have nothing to say when Zuko gets shipped with Sokka or Toph (especially Sokka).

If it's disrespectful towards Kataang to ship Katara and Zuko, then the same could be said about Maiko and Sukka. On top of Mai and Suki being disrespected by not being part of the plot or having any interactions with the gaang whatsoever, they also get disrespected by having their boyfriends being shipped with each other.

"But Zuko and Katara are disgusted by the idea of being together"

And I bet Zuko and Sokka would be as well if someone mistook them as lovers. And I also bet the Zukka shippers would claim that deep down these two have feelings they are trying to deny or that everyone can see the chemistry between them if someone ever thought they were dating.

Also, Katara reacted the same way when Sokka called Aang her boyfriend at the beginning of the show. Does that mean the creators disrespected her by putting her in a romantic relationship with him? Like, this all "we are not dating" is such a common trope and considering the discussions about Zutara in the writing room and the ship baiting they were doing back in the day, it makes sense to see romantic subtext in them. Now that Kataang is canon this is more like a running joke because, out of all the characters, these two got mistaken as lovers the most and it's also a way for the creators to poke fun at the shippers because they can't help themselves.

They can try to make me feel guilty for shipping them as much as they want, but it won't work.

[sokkastyles]

i saw a post of yours that said zukka is just zutara without most of the relationship development and i have to say you are 100% correct and idk how people don't get this. i mean, i guess it's because they're blinded by their own shipping goggles and obsession with zukka fanfic. and imo there's nothing wrong with shipping zukka on its own... but someone told me they think zutara is just "straight zukka" so i told them that i think zukka is kinda just zutara with less development and they went "uhhh, agree to disagree!". but like?? that's honestly just a fact of the show?? you are free to do anything you want with zukka in fanfic, you can make them bond over losing their mothers if you want but that was what zuko and katara did In The Show. you can write a fanfic where zuko has to work hard to earn sokka's forgiveness after betraying him if you want but that's the arc zuko and katara had in the show. zukka in my opinion is about the potential they might've had if their relationship was more focused on, while zutara is about... if the fully developed enemies-to-friends relationship they literally already have in the show led to romance. it's kind of like if i shipped aang and azula and tried to claim they have more screentime/development together than katara and aang, that wouldn't be something you could agree to disagree on, i would just be wrong.

It'd be like shipping Aang and Azula and arguing that they had more development than Aang and Zuko. Or shipping Azula and Katara and arguing that they had more development than Katara and Zuko. Katara and Zuko actually have the relationship development that other ships wish they had. They're the kind of ship that most enemies to lovers ships aspire to be, the kind where the enemies actually resolve their differences and become genuinely close, and have personal development with each other and make each other better as a result.

[sweetpea67]

I know people compare the Zutara/Zukka situation with the Dramione/Drarry one a lot, and I do think this is a good reflection of double standards regarding m/m vs. m/f. But at the same time, I do think there is a pretty big difference between the among of onscreen/onpage interactions Zutara got vs. Dramione, and Drarry got vs. Zukka. Drarry has more onpage interactions than Dramione, which is basically the opposite of Zukka in comparison to Zutara. Like just from the prominence of the relationships the characters had, you’d *expect* Drarry to be more popular than Dramione. Whereas with ATLA Zutara is the E2L pairing with the most canon interactions/importance (with a possible close second in Zukaang, which is mostly overlooked because of the age gap). This isn’t an anti-Dramione post, I’m not even in the HP fandom anymore, but it is a difference I’ve noticed.

[avatar-legends-confessionblog]

I hate that jetko has taken over the jinko tag.

The same thin happens with zukka in zuki tag

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[manastrae]

Excuse me, but why does the zukka shipper seems to be so much in need of attention? Like they be like

" oh we're here enjoying the show "( the ship war )

"oh we're the Switzerland !" ( No )

" we're a better ship than zutara ! " ( No )

" we solved the ship war ! " ( No )

Idk there are many other ship that are just here , really just enjoying their ship ( taang, harutara, jingtara ty luko ect ) while the zukka are " please don't forget us 🥺 please notice us 🥺 ! "

I just don't understand

I don't mind the ship but like... 🤨 idk if you know what I mean

[bluewithpurplepolkadots]

This is me maybe being mean but a part of me thinks one reason they made Sokka’s Zuko field trip two episodes instead of one like for Aang’s and Katara’s is because Zuko… hasn’t interacted with Sokka much at all prior to this.

Zuko’s dynamics with Aang and Katara are just more interesting and better established prior to him even joining the gaang.

They needed more time to actually make it work for the boiling rock and not seem out of nowhere/have insane pacing issues. I mean you can even see how awkward it is on the air ship as opposed to the ease Zuko and Aang on Appa just the episode prior, as Zuko grumbles and Aang is amused. Heck even with Katara, while all business it just doesn’t seem as weird.

And the boiling rock eps do work! Really well. But like Aang and Katara (especially Aang) all have things you can sink your teeth into prior to this with Zuko. Sokka doesn’t.

Aang and Zuko are the Yin and Yang of the show. Zuko and Katara in a sense are both linked to Aang as almost devotees and followers of the Avatar if only in opposing and differing ways, and Aang offers them both hope and connection. In a sense Zuko is a foil for both of them.

Even outside this, Aang and Katara both have soft quiet moments with Zuko even if the guy can’t help but to ruin them sadly (The Blue Spirit which kills me every time, The season 2 finale). Aang has saved Zuko without him even realising it (season 1 finale). Zuko saved Appa without Aang knowing for a while. Katara is Aang’s protector in many ways while Zuko is the threat to his safety. This is a reason Zuko also has to atone to them both. Basically Zuko has lots of things to work with here so they can hit the ground running with their field trips without much preamble. Southern Raiders does have some things I’d change about it, but it makes sense that it would only need one episode like Aang’s and has great individual scenes within it which feel earned.

Sokka. Hrm. I got nothing. I mean they’re both older brothers of talented benders but that’s about it and like I said, prior to boiling rock: not a lot going on there. It doesn’t exactly factor into their interactions much because they don’t beyond a few lines here and there. Basically, Zuko’s most important gaang relationships in show goes: Aang as the most important, then Katara as the clear silver medalist and then a big gaping gap before it hurtles towards anyone else.

Honestly just on a personal level, I think post show Zuko will eventually be closer to Toph than Sokka. But that’s just based on their backgrounds and vibes.

Ngl, I would love it if FBM also got a second episode, or hell even SR. I think either one could also benefit from a longer run time: but if they only had one field trip that could be two episodes long, it makes sense to go to the field trip that needs it the most frankly.

[southslates]

whenever i venture out into general atla fandom i sincerely want to tear my fucking hair out

anyway “i don’t ship zutara and prefer zvkka because i prefer shipping lgbtq ships/i personally think they work together better/i don’t see chemistry between zuko and katara” is SO VALID

“i think zvkka is better than zutara because it’s gay” “zvkka is better than zutara because it’s gay representation” “zvkka is better than zutara because sokka was less traumatized from the fire nation than katara was” “zutara shippers are just crazy and making shit up and all straight girls” “zvkka is just zutara but made better because it’s gay” is like???? not fucking valid??? say you think sokka and katara are interchangeable without saying you think they’re interchangeable

ALSO, shipping a noncanonical lgbtq ship is not inherently better, does not put you on a moral high ground, and does not increase representation. representation is when source media canonically comes through with lgbtq characters (also atla is representation for characters of color so it is representation), zvkka getting to be a popular ship in fandom is not representation??? i just??? what????