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i do think the whole “katara would’ve never actually forgiven zuko, didn’t even like him” is an insane misreading of her character. if zuko let katara heal iroh after azula shot his ass, their arcs would’ve been a lot shorter. keep in mind she was already READY to heal the man who was her enemy like five seconds ago, not once (iroh) but TWICE (zuko in catacombs).
but yeah sure katara always hated zuko or whatever.
hi! i was rewatching atla for the first time in yearrsss, and was surprised by the zuko childhood flashbacks we get. there are a few clips where it seems like ozai (??) is walking behind him in a field, putting his hand on his shoulder, etc.
this seems to indicate that perhaps there was a time when ozai was a more present/caring father towards zuko? i suppose the fact that they even went on family vacations at all also indicates this to a certain extent, since i'd expect him to put zuko on a 365-12 hrs per day regime of firebending drills.
i wanted to ask your thoughts on this, and what it may suggest about ozai's relationship and feelings about zuko. of course ozai is disdainful and projecting his worst impulses onto his son, but i always thought that those were not the actions of someone who was truly 100% apathetic, if you get what i mean.
For the flashback Zuko has of Ozai's hand on his shoulder, my headcanon is that whether or not this was something Zuko actually remembers that really happened, his memory of it largely comes from the portrait from the Beach episode, in which Ozai has his hand on Zuko's shoulder in a similar way. Whenever we see this screenshot it's also sepia-toned, which of course is supposed to mimic old photography and signal that this is a memory, but it could also be used to signal to the audience that Zuko is not remembering things quite correctly.
Which is not to say that Ozai was never affectionate with Zuko, but what these shots are supposed to tell us in the narrative is that Zuko is longing for something from his father that he is not capable of giving. Interestingly, the person who actually does such fatherly gestures with Zuko freely and without condition is Iroh.
Although the hand on the shoulder itself is not an entirely altruistic gesture in the context of Ozai. It signals Ozai's possessiveness of Zuko and how Zuko feels constrained by that relationship. And of course, the family portrait is a carefully constructed lie, which is why Zuko is seen burning it when he realizes that this is not the life he wants.
I think family portraits, and family vacations, very easily lend themselves to Ozai's self-aggrandizing nature. Ozai sees his family as extensions of himself, and is displeased with them when they do not reflect on his own importance and superiority. I think he'd like going on a vacation if it made him feel important, made him feel like he was doing such a special thing for his family. I do like that bit in The Promise when he talks about saving Zuko from drowning on Ember Island because it fits with his own sense of self as this important person. And, of course, the way he sees Zuko as the son unworthy of his attention and care. But isn't he such a great guy for giving it to such an unworthy child?
What's also interesting about that story is the disdainful way he talks about Ursa doting on Zuko afterwards, not just because it emphasizes Zuko's weakness, but also because Ozai wants Ursa's attention to be on him. Ozai would definitely be the type to take his family on vacations to show off his wealth and greatness, then get mad when he's not the center of attention. And then he'd also use it to make Zuko feel guilty for being on vacation instead of doing firebending drills constantly, even when the vacation was his own idea.
Which I think is one reason why Zuko gets anxious when he's sent away on vacation. Because it's never just a vacation with Ozai.
When someone says “toxic zutara shippers” and they keep claiming that they are always team katara. “I don’t ship her with anyone because she’s better off single”. They can’t see katara being with anyone. They claim that they don’t ship anyone in the fandom, that shipping is yucky and shallow…but gets so defensive and aggressive when people criticize a.ang or k.ataang and only when it’s a.ang or k.ataang. Oh and they love zutara hate. Idk like maybe just say you hate zutara and love KA? Sounds like an easier route if you ask me. They must have a secret KA account.
katara’s starring at zuko’s hair calculating how many braids she could have braided with it, while she has three kids from a bald bald absentee husband at home waiting for her
She's watching him eat that watermelon...
this being the second time katara has cried over zuko dying in front of her. oh my heart.
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On his Twitter he says that they were told they were too overt with Taga, and I'm guessing that's why the movie doesn't look like this.
Which is interesting considering what we said the other day about how the movie was afraid of making Aang look bad for siding with him...
the symbolism of zuko discussing his fears about not being forgiven by iroh with katara is so good because it explicitly outlines why katara forgave him. she could tell that he was genuinely apologetic about his actions and that is why she forgave him at the end of the southern raiders despite not being obligated to. the growth from their TSR moment until this scene is so meaningful because by this point, she can't even imagine iroh not forgiving him.
it's also why when antis assume (read: self insert) that katara still could never fully forgive his actions and just "barely tolerates him", it holds no weight because 1) she didn't have to walk over to have this conversation, 2) she's genuinely smiling through this whole conversation.
Absolutely.
Katara does not even know Iroh that well, but she doesn't need to, to know that he'll forgive Zuko, because she knows Zuko.
And, like a lot of things, retroactively pretending that Katara's forgiveness of Zuko is insincere makes this conversation really weird from Katara's perspective, and reduces her to someone who just is superficially kind to everyone out of obligation or something. Which kinda contradicts the thesis that she shouldn't HAVE to be kind to Zuko.
I found this online and oh my gosh this poor girl. She was so scared
Zuko AND Azula were both victims of Ozai’s abuse. I dislike it when some people don’t acknowledge that
(Also if anyone knows what book this is from let me know. I tried to find where the image came from but I was unable to)
The realization that what happened to the brother whose abuse she laughed at might happen to her, despite the fact that she is "better" and wanting credit for her violence against the earth kingdom is what makes this less "poor Azula" and more "the moment when someone who has benefitted from a violent system stops benefitting from it."
They were both victims of Ozai's abuse, but the difference is that Azula made victims of her own.
I can never understand why antis and casual ZK fans center Aang so much in the Zutara dynamic. I don’t doubt that Zuko and Katara love and value Aang individually, but this incessant need to pretend that “if Zuko and Katara got together, they would only care about Aang” is true feels like nice guy talk. No one would ever say Katara or Aang would care more about Zuko, or that Zuko and Mai would care more about Katara. No one would say Katara needs Mai’s consent to be with Zuko, but they do say that Zuko would need it from Aang.
Even in this type of joking rhetoric, there seems to be a prioritization of Aang’s feelings in the Zk dynamic in a way this simply doesn’t exist for any other Zuko or Katara ship. It’s also not true, because Zuko canonically goes against Aang’s wishes without question when he feels like Katara isn’t getting what she needs from Aang. He even agrees with Katara in the movie when Aang was yelling at Katara that she didn’t understand (which, the group suffers greatly for). Zuko has never needed Aang’s permission to care about Katara. He has never pretended to, either.
Something interesting that I never noticed before is that in The Southern Raiders, when Katara starts bloodbending the captain, it's to defend Zuko.
Katara blasts open the door, the captain starts bending at them, then Zuko jumps in front of her to block the captain's fire. The captain begins to attack Zuko, then Katara stops him with bloodbending.
Which is not to say that Katara's actions are only defensive here, certainly. She went after the captain with intention. It's just interesting, because contrary to what certain people say about this episode, her bloodbending is portrayed as very controlled, not the actions of someone who is acting out of a place of blind rage.
It's also not shown as something that only comes from aggressiveness. The fact that Katara's first act on her own as a bloodbender is to stop the captain from attacking kinda contradicts the idea that bloodbending can only be used for evil.
Also, Katara is just like, so cool here. No wonder Zuko is looking at her like that.
It's also an interesting parallel to Zuko learning lightning redirection as a symbol of redirecting violence aimed at him. Katara seizes the captain's arm as he's about to attack and literally bends it away from them, redirecting his attack into something harmless. Remember that she believes at this point that this man killed her mother with firebending, and she quite handily prevents him from bending with only a few movements here.
I think if we go with the lightning redirection parallel, we could also point out how bloodbending could be used to hurt in the same way that lightning redirection could. Zuko could choose to direct the lightning anywhere he chooses, could shoot it right back at his abusers, but he doesn't. Katara could do serious damage with bloodbending if she wanted to. She could become Hama. But that isn't who she is. Not even here, where her actions often get mischaracterized to fit a narrative that Zuko is somehow bringing out the worst in her.
The "Katara has two hands" argument does not hold water (no pun intended) for zutara shippers who choose it as an alternative to the male-driven narrative of the show's canon romance. Zutara is "what if Katara doesn't want to hold Aang's hand?" Just because she has two of them does not mean she has to.
This argument shows fundamental misunderstanding as to WHY we like and dislike certain ships. It only works if your main problem with "the other" ship is "it gets in the way of MY ship". (Though not liking poly ships is ALSO valid, which is why we should get back to 'ship and let ship')
The thing is, many, if not most ZKs don't like KA bc of how it treats Katara and how the show's narrative prezents it (which is mostly complain about canon's writting choices NOT individual's interpretations and preferences unlike anti-ZK arguments out there) and they gravitate towards ZK bc of how the ship is Katara-cemtric and FEMALE wish fulfilment (a supportive partner who tries to understand you, trust you, put you first and gives you space and works to get back into your good grace if he hurt you)
The "she has two hands" argument should be aimed at KAs who see our non canon ship as a threat to their canon paring, but considering posts like "gaang polyclue except Katara is just Aang's" exists I doubt most of them would accept it...
You've just outlined why I've always felt these posts were in bad faith. You're exactly right, they're for kataang shippers whose main problem with zutara is that it gets in the way of kataang. They are not "let's all get along" posts, they are "how can we make zutara about kataang?" When I see them in the zutara tag, all it does is reinforce the idea that zutara shippers need to somehow include kataang.
Which is the same problem when people post about how they like zutara, but only if it doesn't contradict / hate on kataang. Why does zutara need to be about kataang at all?
The "Katara has two hands" argument does not hold water (no pun intended) for zutara shippers who choose it as an alternative to the male-driven narrative of the show's canon romance. Zutara is "what if Katara doesn't want to hold Aang's hand?" Just because she has two of them does not mean she has to.
I've been thinking about that, ever since I've found so many posts about it in the tag. Zutara is about Katara's agency, and I think this argument doesn't work either to me bc I don't think A.ang would want to """share""" Katara in any way. It sounds awful, but the kid who nods along at the Ember Island Players calling her "the Avatar's girl" would probably want her all to himself like a toy. Bleh.
I agree. But another point I want to make is that because she is not a toy, she does not have to be shared. I think people acting like it "solves" the ship war to share her between two men are the ones objectifying her, to be honest. The two hands thing, in this context, feels very much like girls being told that if you're available, you need to give every guy who expresses interest in you "a chance." Aang already has the "we kissed at the invasion so that means you should become my girlfriend" problem that the narrative points out but then justifies anyway.
The "Katara has two hands" argument does not hold water (no pun intended) for zutara shippers who choose it as an alternative to the male-driven narrative of the show's canon romance. Zutara is "what if Katara doesn't want to hold Aang's hand?" Just because she has two of them does not mean she has to.
To go along with the headcanons about Zuko's belt jewel in the movie:
Zuko once visited the Earth King's palace and the Earth King asked him what he would want as a token of good will between their nations, and Zuko asked for one of the crystals from the catacombs, because "it was where he first began to understand his true destiny."
The Earth King was very flattered, but Zuko never told anyone the real reason behind the token's meaning.
There is a point in the Azula in the Spirit Temple comic that isn't brought up is that Azula doesn't see that Zuko as a victim.
She's mad that Ursa choose to save Zuko and leave her, despite fully knowing that Zuko's life was in danger. She also believes that it would've been better to let Ozai kill Zuko, her own brother.
She's so focus on the fact that she's a victim of Ozai, that she ignores and doesn't emphasize what Zuko had to endure under his hand. Instead she'll about it because to her, Zuko deserves to be hurt by Ozai.
And if Ozai treats her like Zuko, it is unfair.
Because to Azula, she is the child born with power, while Zuko is the child lucky to be born.