Have we finally learned who the three figures drawn on the card in Sans's lab are?
Noelle, Susie and Kris
OR
Kris, Susie and Ralsei
"Don't forget" as in, don't forget [to give these three a discount]
Even if the reason why Sans has this card turns out to be incredibly simple, doesn't this also confirm that Sans Undertale = Sans Deltarune?
At first, this discovery felt incredibly ironic, since for years we tried to find a much deeper meaning behind who these three figures were and why Sans kept this card in the first place. We thought about Gaster, timelines, parallel worlds, and with the release of Deltarune, we even considered both of the possibilities above
And in the end, the reason why THIS SPECIFIC MESSAGE exists on a card with THIS SPECIFIC TRIO was something as simple as a reminder to offer a discount
On the other hand, the fact that Sans still keeps it with him could be his way of refusing to forget the people, the place... and of not letting the world he once saw as his home disappear
After all, Deltarune keeps returning to the same theme in almost every chapter. Someone trying to make things go back to the way they used to be, unable to let go of the past. Only to eventually learn that some things can't be restored, and that the best thing you can do is simply let go
You don't know how happy when they announced the new chapter CAUSE I LITERALLY THOUGH OF YOU AND YOUR AMAZING FANFICTION 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Literally I was like "oh my Lord my goat is going to post again I KEEP WINNING"
GOOD LUCK WITH CHAP 5 BTW AND IF YOU FINISHED IT PLS TELL US WHAT DO YOU THINK 😼😼
EEHEHAHHAAHHAAAA GUYSS I FINISHED IT (norm and weird) LIKE LITERALLY 10 MINS AGO AND MY HEAD IS OVERFLOWED WITH NEW THEORIES AND THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS AND AHHHH
ps anon clkajewncao u thought of me ???? when the ch released ??? omCAPITALFg bc that is an HONOUR I WILL NEVER LET DOWN. THANK U BROMEO.
!!!!!!!!! PRETTY BIG SPOILERS AHEAD MY FREAKS !!!!!!!!!
STAY AWAY IF U HAVENT PLAYED THE DAMN CHAPTER
and come back to me l8r ofc ;)
(aka send me stuff. plz. this is a SPOILER ZONE BLOG NOW. GIVE ME EVERYTHING)
**ok this ended up way too long so im splitting into two parts (if ur only interested in one or the other): chapter 5 thoughts and my brain spewing ff ideas**
ok guys i am #1 flowey stan and seeing flowery just about quenched my thirst bc like the meta 4th wall breaking ?? game mechanic spills to susie ?? that shit is SO FUCKING GOOD. hes so nonchalant abt it too.
and ralsei breaking character from darling sweetheart to annoyed debbie downer ?? the change was unexpected from me but SO welcomed. like SHIT his fire magic reveal ?? CMON THATLL BE SO DAMN IMPORTANT LATER JUST U WAIT
asgore guilt complex reveal with such HEAVY parallels to undertale had me shaking in my quaking WHAT DID THIS POOR OLD MAN DO TO RUIN EVERYTHING
and dont get me started on KRIS. KRIS KRISSY KRIS. KRIS MY LOVE MY SOUL (literally mine) MY LIFE (not technically). theyre ACTUALLY ROTTING WITHOUT THE SOUL. getting sloppy with their fountains. getting SHAT ON the entire chapter for not "acting HUMAN" enough (as if they dont think abt that shit themself ten times a second). hearing their father slowly lose hope, push away his personified flowers. GOD THE ANGST (and potential for little ole me ;)
AND FUCK. WEIRD ROUTE ??? EUAHHH IT ONLY TOOK ME LIKE IDK 15 MINS TO DO BUT IT KILLED ME OH MY DAYS.
noelle absolutely LOSING IT. KRIS SUFFERING LIKE HELL. THE BEGINNING SEQUENCE KILLED ME HAAARD LIKE HAVING TO DRAG THEM OUT THE BED LIKE THAT ??? AND IT JUST KEPT GETTING WORSE.
THE DROWNING. THE BREAKING OF THE GAME. CH 7 B SIDE. I CANT WAIT 2-4 YEARS FOR THIS SHIT IM GONNA COMBUST.
and fanfic ideas?? CMON.
theres a MILLION WAYS TO GO. fluffy quirky festival fun? touch of nostalgic festival times, both sad and happy? go the awkward human angst route? try my hand at a human mc? (but i like assumed monster mc so idkkk yet).
i havent done anything dark world related yet (was thinking about it as an epilogue to my multi ch but i didnt like the direction it went) so thats also an option, but ive never rlly thought abt ways to integrate another character in a way that feels natural. could make them darkner? lightner is a bit more difficult in concept to me but who knows.
even a tie in of ch 5 normal plot in lightworld? kris being sus? more soul shenanigans, horrid and wholesome? WEIRD ROUTE STUFF? i dont reallyyy like replacing pre-existing characters in the media with my reader/oc stand-in, but finding some other gross way to do ch 5 wr stuff with mc? oh GOD THE ANGST POTENTIAL MY STOMACH IS CHURNING.
i need to acc write some of this shit down in my doc and expaAAnd.
YALL GIVE ME UR JUICY IDEAS
OH AND TELL ME UR THOUGHTS ON THE CHAPTER WHAT DO WE THINK
i feel crazy (deltarune chpt. 5 analysis/rebutal of a popular opinion i see)
spoilers obviously
Am i the only person in the world who put together that the flowers are likely intended to represent different aspects of Kris? Especially considering they probably made this fountain.
Like the way they are all so desperate to be "human" the way Kris wants to be a monster? The way they all just want to impress Asgore and stay in his life? The way they have to accept that they have roles to play and they Must play them, even if it goes against what they actually want?
The way they are a weird kid with a thing for knives, a mute character (with an attitude!) who shows love in non-traditional ways, a mouse who gets incredibly upset if you point out their mousiness, a gender-odd anti-social bookworm, a gullible cowboy who is suicidal and plagued with guilt for things they literally didn't do, and a character who loves bugs and is acting all of the time and is full of introspection?
And finally a character who would go so far as to hurt themself to save what they believe is an "ideal" world for their only family?
Not to mention the MewMew connections with their body and the soul fighting, but genuinly idk how to help you if you didn't get that.
like they are Not useless throwaway characters guys they are what Kris used to be during the worst parts of the divorce and rocky time growing up in a world where they are an oddity to be kept and preserved as they have always been.
My first initial thought was, man, this was honestly one of the best platformers I've ever played. And then I thought, wait- how did they even do that so well?? And now I'm thinking, they made this in Game Maker right? What kind of wizardry??? I don't understand enough about coding to even fathom how any of that worked, but I'm glad it did and that it wasn't buggy at all and really fun to boot!
I also found the chapter pretty hard, but I'm not all that good at games in general. Thanks for the hotfix lol.
As many others do I HATE (affectionately) Flowery and laughed a lot at his shenanigans (he's great and annoying and I want this twink d-)
The hardest I laughed in this chapter and maybe even the whole game so far was when he messed with the menu and I "turned off the Ralseis" or whatever it was.
I loved that he was like a reverse Flowey and basically embodies the opposite ideas that Flowey did being super friendly and pro-pacifism and a great foil for Ralsei. I think Flowey would hate him too.
His boss fight was so hard, those darn cactuses and Blue and Yellow's attack made me want to pull my hair out and I had to literally sleep on it because I had been playing for 10 hours at that point.
Speaking of Ralsei...
Ralsei was AMAZING this chapter, definitely my stand out character for the main route, this was absolutely what he needed as a character and it was just so, so good.
Having his patience constantly tested by Flowery and the other Flowers was a joy to see, and Flowery was really the first character to actually challenge Ralsei's beliefs since so far Ralsei has really been the main voice of morality for the most of the game so far.
As funny as seeing our favourite fluffy boy(?) get annoyed I do hope that this isn't something he's going to do as much of it in following chapters and have it happen more sparingly since it would probably get old quick, I think I want more of a balance of this (chapter 5) and his chapter 3/4 characterisation going forward.
We got to learn a lot more about Susie this chapter too as per usual, and she might be actually homeless(???) Poor girl has it rough.
Her and Noelle were great together (SUSELLE CANON RAAAAAGGHH💜💛) and my heart skipped a beat more than once. I really do hope things work out for them, but I have a feeling that things might not, at least for now, especially since Carol still has a tight grip on Noelle and she probably isn't going to do stand up for herself like with Queen since unlike Queen she has literally known her mother her whole life (it's not as simple.)
There was also some hints that Susie actually might be part human??? Which isn't a theory I was really a fan of but if that's the way it's going, we will have to see.
I don't have much to say about Kris this chapter in the main route, mostly that they seem to be struggling with Suselle being a thing and them having to painfully 3rd wheel their date. I get the feeling the "inferno of jealousy" meant more than just Ralsei's feelings towards Flowery. But hey Krerdly crumbs!
I get the feeling that it's possible that Toby wasn't even going to do much of anything with Krerdly until the fandom kind of made it a thing, and that it's really funny so...
There was SO MUCH Undertale in this chapter, and I think that was kind of the point? I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet but I think this chapter was one big Undertale nostalgia fest to purposefully send us off onto whatever comes next, because I get the feeling that it's going be a bit different then what we expect.
What I mean is, at the end Flowery talks about "nostalgia" and letting it go and stuff, and in universe that was about Asgore and his issues as well as the 7 Flowers (and probably an unintended warning to the Fun Gang about things changing.) But for us, it's saying, Undertale is in the past (and we love it), and while this isn't entirely different, things aren't going to be the same as Undertale, especially from now on.
The 7 Flowers might not have literally been the 7 humans from Undertale, but it gave us an idea of what the might have been like (or more likely the opposite) since they had similar traits to what was seen in their items and in the Omega Flowey fight.
Really good stuff.
I appreciated Asgore getting some well needed love from the narrative since in Undertale he's so damn complicated and did some really bad stuff that sort of made things hard writing-wise (I think), so I'm glad he got some focus in a world were his character can be explored and critiqued without the whole (child) murder thing getting in the way. Asgore is a very underrated character and his theme/leitmotif is my favourite so it made me very happy : )
Some Dess crumbs and lore tidbits, seems like the game meta narrative isn't so meta after all (like I said different from Undertale.)
Music was awesome, especially loved [REDACTED]'s battle theme (see below.)
Art was amazing, so much good pixel art and animations in this one, especially that Ralsei and Susie reaction image one and anything to do with the lake.
This is already too long and I still have 2 other sections to talk about (although much quicker) so I'll finish off this section by saying that this was an absolute blast of a chapter and may end up being my favourite? Idk, it really was incredible though, like I said my first playthrough went for 10 hours, and I have a not great attention span, I just can't put this game down lol.
If I was to ask anything for the next chapter it would be "more Berdly please."
NOW I WILL TALK ABOUT THE SECRET BOSS OF THIS CHAPTER SO IF YOU WANT TO AVOID STOP READING!!!!
SECRET BOSS 💜
Oh boy where to start...
Okay so I couldn't beat Pink, it's Jevil all over again!!
I'm actually pretty decent at dodging most of her attacks, much better than I am with Flowerys, but that darn bomb attack AAHH I HATE IT.
I can't figure out where to go so fast and the pink hearts make it difficult to remember where I am because there's just too much on the screen at once too fast.
Maybe one day I could beat her but right now idk, I did get to her 3rd stage though so after that I just gave up.
Her design is also AWESOME, yeah it's just Mew Mew again but I like how she looks here more than Undertale, although that's probably mostly because Undertale's style is supposed to be more scuffed looking on purpose.
I also thought she kind of looked a bit like a sakura flower from behind, sh-sho cute...🌸
Like I said above, her battle theme is probably my favourite track so far (I'm listening to them all again now) and yeah that's obvious I mean it has Hatsune Goddamn Miku on it (tunned just the way I like her too, thanks Camellia!) and is just, really, really catchy and got that Toby Fox charm all over it. I want to see the lyrics, PLEASE TOBY!
Pink/Mad Mew Mew/Mad Dummy is just a great character in general and I'm happy to see her again, especially during pride month 🏳️⚧️🩷
OKAY IT'S WEIRD ROUTE TIME LIKE BEFORE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW GO AWAY STOP READING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WEIRD ROUTE ❤️
Yeah um so okay um, what the fuck?
I kind of loved it though.
Usually I don't play these but I wanted to give it a shot this time so I got a save file off of reddit, and I kind of fucked it up so I had to look it up but I did get to see what happens when you stop pressing Proceed (I didn't realise you had to keep pressing it even after it stopped being visible????)
There is just, so much to unpack in there and probably not right now, but I will say I really loved Noelle's characterisation here.
It would have been so easy to make her simply a victim of our manipulation (not that she isn't)/put her in a passive role in the story outside of doing what we say, but no she is very VERY ACTIVE.
The player has completely driven her off the deep end (ironic) with the manipulation and abuse done to her, and the worst part is, she isn't technically wrong?
Kris really ISN'T Kris, we've taken over them and made them act so unlike themselves, and drowning in the lake would change the course of things that dramatically because there's no way something like that would have happened in the normal route so Noelle was able to change things.
It absolutely reminds me of DDLC (one of my favourite games ever) and how when fucked up shit happens in that the game sort of struggles to fix itself or make sense of it, because that stuff isn't supposed to happen in a game like that. So while Noelle and Kris might not know they are literally in a video game, they've completely broken the game by doing that and it seems like we won't get a continuation (possible conclusion) till chapter 7.
I mean I love horror and unhinged women so yeah this is absolutely my kind of thing, not that it didn't freak me out while it was happening. Wait, I totally sound like Noelle right now? Gosh darn it.
Either way I look forward to more of it and will be enjoying the fanart (so far it's really great.)
Really loved Noelle's expressions/talk sprites and disheveled hair.
I hope Susie is the final boss of this route and Megalovania plays, I will get on my knees and beg if I have to.
Really hope chapter 6 comes soon (as long as it's not rushed of course.)
