#enneagram 6

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can’t decide whether im an 136 or a 835 what the applesauce banana bread 😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓 can someone help please pretty please with a cherry on the top

[funkymbtifiction]

What's an ISFP 6 core like? Does being a 6 make them less impulsive than other SPs?

Probably, but Se also NEEDS hands-on interactions and to DO things, so that would be an insanely powerful drive and help them overcome hesitation in the moment. They would self-doubt a lot less about Se-driven activities than a Ne would (driving, for example; it means freedom and adventures and whatnot). More second-guessing with low Ni after the fact -- am I interpreting this right? This is going to turn out particularly badly. I sense a horrible thing coming and am powerless to stop it. Never second-guesses how they feel or what their values are, but may second-guess and doubt other people.

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I'm torn between 6 and 9 for my core because I see a lot of myself in both types. At my worst I am exactly like the desintegration to 6 is described, but I'm also an ISTJ, so maybe that's just inferior Ne grip? When stressed I get panickey and assume the worst, is difficult to calm me down as I hate being treated as if I'm overreacting because to me IT IS that serious. What are the deal breakers between 6 and 9?

Gut cores (9s) are all about autonomy and anger; suppressing it, while also being aware of the world pressing down on them, inciting them to annoyance at "intrusions." They care mostly about boundaries -- their own, other people's, who is crossing over into their proverbial lane, and the amount of effort involved to get the life they want.

Head cores (6) are all about interpreting the world through their mind; questioning it, testing it, analyzing it, fantasizing about it (good or ill), anticipating the worst, mapping out what to expect, rehersing what you want to say, etc. Taking everything and playing it out in the mind, in order for it to have meaning. To not think-think-think would be unfathomable to them.

Basically, 9s think 6s think way too much; 6s can't imagine thinking as little as 9s appear to do, since they just... decide what to do based on what feels or seems right in the moment. 9s don't relentlessly try to interpret other people's motives, intentions, what they meant by that, etc., the way 6s do by default.

I also wrote this awhile back, still holds up: https://funkymbti.com/the-distinctions-between-6-and-9/

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How can you accurately tell between so6w7 and sp6w7?

Are you asking in yourself or in someone else?

In yourself: which one are you more neurotic about, fitting in, being aware of what is popular, having influence, your reputation (soc) or being safe, comfortable, financially secure, or content with all of your emotional and physical needs met (sp)? Which one would you give up to get the other one fulfilled?

In others... social 6s are 2ish in that they have expectations for their relationships that are based on give and take (I give you what I want to receive in return, and then am disappointed if you didn't take the hint), and they may adhere to an external line of thought (these are my politics and/or religious beliefs, and they are unquestionable). Sp6s are warm and self-effacing in order to diffuse tension and be likable, their internal reasoning is that if you like me, you won't be mean to me or get in my way. They are more anxious about pressuring others and are less selective in their casual acquaintances than social-doms (who know that your friends tell other people who you are / you are judged by the company you keep, so they are pickier).

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What's an ISTP 6w5 like? Can the 6 focus on security make they present like ISTJs?

Not really.

Being a 6 just makes a type more cautious within their own functional stack, which means Se is still present-oriented, not past-based like Si; Ti is still internal subjective logic and analysis rather than facts and application like Te; low Fe is still "what's best for everyone" vs the "what I am feeling right now" low Fi; tert-Ni is still "one way forward" vs. the "anything could happen, so I won't predict it" inferior Ne.

ISTP 6 - generally cautious, suspicious, detached, analytical, but still self-confident in Se ways, wants what's best for everyone in a general sense with low Fe, probably aware of disappointing others with their lack of emotional intensity but unsure of what to do about it.

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Hi Charity, last year your blog and book helped me realize that I’m actually a core 9 with a strong 4 fix, instead of a core 4 with a strong 9 fix. It really shook my identity realizing this about myself, because I typed myself as a 4 for a long time. Being a core 9 actually does make a lot more sense for me, but there’s one thing I don’t really relate about being a 9, and that’s how overly trusting and gullible they supposedly are. I’m only trusting to people I know well, but certainly not towards strangers or acquaintances. If anything, I actually get suspicious easily if I notice a red flag, or if something feels off and I get a bad feeling about something (which I’m usually right about). I immediately want to distance myself from the wrongness, whether it be a person or situation, and warn other people so they don’t get hurt. A lot of people who know me would also call me a pretty cautious person. I’m actually known to call myself a “cautious optimist”, which a lot of people who know me would agree. I do relate to 6’s in many ways, but I relate to 9’s a lot more honestly. Do you think I may of mistyped myself again and I’m actually a core 6 instead of a core 9? Or does having 6 within my tritype make a difference on how I behave as a 9? I think me mistyping myself the first time has made me unsure and a little shaky in my sense of self. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question whenever you can, I really appreciate it. I’m also an INFP if that makes any difference.

Hey! I'm delighted to hear that my book helped you land on something that felt right.

9-6 falls in line with what you describe; if you have any doubts, you could reread the gut core section vs the head core section and see whether you trust your instincts the way a 9 would, or doubt them and overthink everything like a 6. I can tell you as a 6 myself, I will distrust people, and then argue with myself about it, since I'm not sure I can trust my distrust. If you distrust them and immediately back away or withdraw, that probably is more 9 ahead of 6. 9 cores also tend to merge into their lower fixes a lot and take on their traits. (I know a lot of 9-6s and their 6 is loud, but they're clearly gut / anger cores.)

I think all three numbers in someone's tritype are pretty loud, so you could have more 6 than you think. You might be 964, since it sounds like you doubt, question, and are cautious more than image-manage, and a head-last tritype does not "think" as much / as heavily as a head-second does.

Hope that helps!

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Head type vs thinker

Can being a head type make you think you’re a thinking type when you’re not? In that case how can I tell apart what is Enneagram influence and what’s cognition? I’m a 6w5 and I feel like it might be the reason why I’m having a hard time feeling confident in my typing. 

Yes, it can, but you’re only self-doubting because that’s what 6 does. That does not necessarily mean you are more of feeler.

People around me have said I’m very logical and can help them approach problems rationally. It’s true that I quickly present them what to me is the obvious solution to their problems. I am very objective in my analysis.

This is consistent with higher Te/Ti than inferior (rules out IFP, or EFJ) and does suggest a thinking type overall, yes. 

But I’m acutely aware of what I feel, and my feelings are an important factor in my decision-making. Like everyone else, I aim to be happy, so I won’t do things that I know will make me unhappy, even if they are lucrative. 

This is consistent with Fi in general, so ITJ would not be improbable. 

For example a few days ago I came across a job advertisement that could make earn more, but I would have to accept being micromanaged. Since this was one of the factors that made me quit my last job (I don’t wanna be frequently watched, evaluated, and controlled), I decided to not apply. 

Is that not a logical decision to make, based on your previous experience? If you know that you hate being micromanaged, and that would likely create a tense / unpleasant work environment in which you ultimately got fired or quit, it would make rational sense not to get into a situation like that in the first place?

And being a 6 I’m reactive when problems appear, I get angry or scared so I think that wouldn’t happen to a thinker, am I right?

Everyone gets angry or scared, regardless of type.

I also think maybe I’m mistaking intuition with logic, since I use my intuition all the time to analyze and understand things/people. 

Intuition is “knowing things without being told.” 

Logic is “the fact are these, the consequences are these, the reality is this,” and a judgment call about what to do with the information you collect. 

So I think through things a lot and can’t shut it off. I’m a “I think therefore I am” person <- this is 6 by itself.

I can’t take things/people at face value. I want to know the truth <- also 6

so I gotta look past the obvious. <- how successfully you do it and how accurate you are determines Intuition vs. 6-ness. 6 can create problems and fears where no threat exists, so if you are wrong in your estimations a lot of the time, that’s just 6 6ing. If you are negative / suspicious and still RIGHT about people’s motives, the outcomes of events in general, then that is intuition.

One of my friends is an INTJ, and she pretty accurately predicts things 6 months to 4 years in advance of an event happening, whether it is politically minded (this is going to make that happen ... what did I tell you?) or personally minded (these are red flags about this person, I think something is going to go wrong later).

I aim to see things and people for what they are, not what they want me to see them or how I want them to be. It annoys me when people sugarcoat things.

This is more 6. It could be STJ or NTJ. 

Ask yourself, how often do I speculate (accurately) without any evidence or needing proof and accept that the reality I envision will be the real outcome of this event? That determines Intuition, and that is how you tell it is Ni or Ne, rather than just 6 over-thinking and being suspicious of motives.