#john calvin

[andthentheywilleatthestars]

You go back in time to kill John Calvin and just as you're about to make the final blow he smiles. "Oh, so you're punishing me for something I haven't done yet? Something that's, let us say, predetermined? Kill me if you want but I've already won." You pause just long enough for him to tackle you and grab your gun. God fucking damn it, not again

[set-apart-path]

Peace is not to be purchased by the sacrifice of truth.

John Calvin

[biblemoth]

One of my biggest issue with Calvinism, is the vanity and callousness of the limited atonement. Calvinism is a theology that really only works (or is appealing in whatever way that people are drawn to it) if you believe that you are part of the 'persevering saints'. In his video the Redeemed Zoomer himself discussing election by saying ‘you received a free gift of grace and your neighbor is just receiving what they deserve’. In context he says that because the gift is undeserved you shouldn’t boast or think you are better than others. 

But I think the fact that he is just casually dropping that his neighbor deserves eternity hell, without really interrogating why your neighbor who lends you their hedge trimmer and brings cookies to every bake sale, deserves an eternal separation from God, is a problem. 

Is there really a good reason for anyone to suffer if God loves everyone and is powerful enough to save them? If God created people why didn’t he just create them good? I mean if God is the ultimate author why write a story with so much suffering? Why leave some zoomers unredeemed? If you knew for a fact that you were NOT one of the elect, would you think the same way? 

It's easy to say that everyone is deserving of a fate, if you are confident you are exempt. I can joke that it’s okay to eat meat sometimes if I’d let a shark eat me, but to be clear I really have no plans of letting a shark eat me, and don’t think I would make that joke if I regularly swam in the ocean with sharks.

The fact that they would sit and argue that God is fundamentally good, while also saying God randomly choses some people to save and lets others suffer, is crazy to me. Its a level of mental gymnastics that can only be done by someone who is convinced of his own election could really argue. If you knew that you were not chosen, and that God created you and was going to send you to hell for eternity because of the way God made you, would you really still call God loving?? REALLY??

For God to truly be all loving, he must be all redeeming and Calvin can fight me about it.

[contradictorypenguin]

i fear i may have caused some confusion with my posts about john calvintine. but i'm nothing if not benevolent, so i'm here today to clear everything up for you. strap yourselves in folks this is going to get cursed very quickly.

this is john constantine:

this is john calvintine:

this is also john calvintine but different this time:

and this is john constantine the great of rome (imperator caesar flavius valerius constantinus augustus):

i understand how y'all could get these mixed up, it is a bit confusing, but i hope this clarifies things for you guys! i'm here to help. if you ever get your constantine wires crossed again, you can just refer to this handy infographic!

[diemelusine]

Spire of St. Pierre Cathedral, Geneva. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Livioandronico2013

[paintingsandhistory]

John Calvin (1509-1564)

Artist: Enoch Seeman the Younger (British, c. 1694-1744)

Date: 1714-1744

Medium: Oil on canvas

Collection: National Trust Collections, London, United Kingdom

Description

John Calvin (Jean Cauvin) (1509-1564) was born in Noyon, Picardy, the son of an ecclesiastical lawyer. He attended the University of Paris to train for the priesthood but then began to train for the law at Orleans and Bourges and received his first interest in theology. He then began to preach the reformed doctrines and travelled to Paris, Noyon, and Nerac.

On his return to Paris, he realized that his life was no longer safe in France and fled to Basel. In 1536 he published The Institutes of the Christian Religion. Calvin taught that certain people 'the elect' are predestined for eternal life and the remainder are damned, also that salvation was a gift from God and man's good works were a sign of that salvation and not its cause.

He eventually settled in Geneva and took over the work of Guillaume Farel of directing the religious and political life of the city. Among other reforms affecting the lives of the citizens of Basel, he banned all public entertainment, issued regulations on dress and insisted on absolute puritanism in their private lives. He was expelled from the city in 1538, but returned three years later and imposed a code of intolerance on religious matters and strict social and puritan morality.

The ethic of hard work, thrift and sobriety brought great trade and wealth to the city.A college which later became Geneva University was founded to create a body of educated priests who would be able to continue Calvin's work. The presbyterian churches in Scotland, the Huguenots in France and the Dutch Reformed Church were all greatly influenced by Calvin's teaching.

[apenitentialprayer]

The Protestant Reformation: A Battle Between Nominalists?

Whenever I get in conversations with Protestants, and we're agreeing on a lot of things, but then we get back to the sixteenth century... you know, justification and all that. I always go back to that, and I say, 'You know, what frustrates me is, I think, everybody in a way in the sixteenth century was hung up on a more nominalist view of God, and saw God as a competitive... — 'and how much glory does He get, and I better give way if He is going to be sufficiently honored, how much is grace, how much is works'... Irenaeus! "The glory of God is man fully alive!" You want to give God glory, as Luther and Calvin did (and they were right about that), you want the sovereign God to get all the glory... well, then, He loves my good works! He loves my full involvement in Christ.I, uh, see, my view, as a Catholic, is Aquinas's (I think far richer) view, of God is ipsum esse, God is a sheer act of 'to Be,' and in through which all things subsist and come to be. And God was non-competitively related to the world. That [view] gave way at the end of the Middle Ages, the beginning of modernity, to a much more nominalist view of the competitive God; which I think haunted the sixteenth century. And they all were fighting about that. I want to say, in a way, 'A plague on both your houses!' That we... it's a faulty view of God animating most of those debates. And I would love to engage it there, and so before we even get to sacramental issues, there's a more fundamental 'How do we understand God and our relation to God?'

- Bishop Robert Barron, An Anglican-Catholic Dialogue on Scripture

[astuteobservations]

⬅️ this idiot thinks she ordains her steps and makes straight her path 🤣