#junction point

[futuristicghost]

mickeyjunk mountain

[wasteland-unused]

Description

The reason Disney's Robin Hood is a fox, and the Sheriff is a fat wolf is because it was originally going to be a Reynard the Fox adaptation

They changed their minds after realizing Reynard is a terrible role model. Like, lies to, cheats, and eats the other characters. Regularly is presumed dead, hears everyone talk smack about him at his funeral, then plans revenge. Sometimes on his wife for remarrying so fast.

Disney used Ken Anderson's designs for Robin Hood, instead.

Reynard the fox is a series of fables that parody Medieval Court.

In Wasteland

He disguises himself as Robin Hood to con the characters of Wasteland. Peg Leg Pete sends you to go get and arrest him. You have the option to either accept a bribe from Reynard, or turn him in.

Haven't done one of these in a while

Edit: Ok, I forgot to finish a sentence, I fixed it, please reblog THIS version

[masterhallmark]

Credit for discovery: @misscloudiedays

So a lot of people are confused as to how Epic Mickey Rebrushed meaning Disney probably isn't getting profits works, so let me explain real quick:

What's the Sitch?

If you go to the Steam Page, Disney is not publishing EM Rebrushed themselves like they did with the original EM games, another company ,THQ Nordic, whom Disney does not own is.

This likely means they sold the licensing rights to that company rather than accepting profit cuts.

How this works

Copyright holders often do this if they think the product would make less profits than what they sold the licensing rights for. For example, this happened with the author of the Witcher books, who thought the games would flop and sold the licensing rights instead of accepting a percentage of the profits. He later acted like the victim when the games actually ended up being wildly successful. This also happened to the writer of the American Pokemon Theme Song, who didn't know the Pokemon franchise was going to go on for decades and remain popular, though he was more chill about it and worked something out.

Basically, Disney likely had so little faith in the game, they chose to sell instead of accept profits, which would mean whether you buy or pirate the game wouldn't affect them, since they would have already gotten the agreed upon amount, and they'd probably piss themselves if the profits Purple Lamp gets is more than what they sold it for.

Would they actually do that?

For anyone who questions if Disney would really be dumb enough to do this, REMEMBER THIS IS THE COMPANY WHO:

SHUT DOWN AND ENTIRE VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT COMPANY JUST BECAUSE EPIC MICKEY 2 DIDN'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS EPIC MICKEY 1

THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD ABANDON CONSOLE GAMING IN FAVOR OF MOBILE GAMING

THOUGHT KINGDOM HEARTS COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE SEQUELS

HAD A CEO WHO THOUGHT ADULTS DON'T ENJOY CARTOONS

AND THE MOST RECENT BLUNDER OF ALL, THOUGHT DISNEY FANS WOULD PREFER A LUMA KNOCKOFF OVER STARBOY IN WISH, BECAUSE THEY WANTED A MARKETABLE PLUSHIE

Yeah, I think they're that dumb.

Bottom Line

For those participating in the Disney boycott, it is probably safe to get the game, and will not be a breach of your boycott. Buying the game would instead show support to those who actually care about the game while not benefitting the company that abandoned it.

That being said, this is not guaranteed to be completely correct. Keep an eye on things as it develops, and make your own decisions on the matter.

[raptorthewild]

Moral of the story, don’t stand on train tracks.

[79zz]

Will you scrap this world, or color it over again!

Yes, i know technically the game doesn't go as deep in its morals like this.

[blazehedgehog]

How do you feel about Epic Mickey?

Like a lot of people, it bums me out that Epic Mickey did not commit to the full potential of its premise.

I know it's easy to sneer at things like this because it's "dark and edgy" or whatever, but this was one of the rare instances where it was actually interesting. Because it's Disney, right. It's Disney and it's Mickey Mouse. The most iron-clad, short-leash, sacred cows in the entertainment business. You don't just make a Mickey Mouse horror platformer. People were interested in it for the "are they actually gonna get away with this?" factor.

And for a time, it seemed like they would.

It helped that it seemed like they had the right team to pull it off, too. This was peak Warren Spector "this guy made Deus Ex and therefore he is the greatest game designer available right now." You got the sense that if anyone could pull off a concept like this with skill and tact, it would be Warren Spector. A Dark Mickey Mouse game with a morality system? Sounds interesting.

Spector, of course, is now equally famous for a quote where he urges people not to think of him as a monolithic individual responsible for all good ideas in a game:

He's been big on spelling out "I'm not as important as you think I am."

Of course, Spector was the one who got out in front of things and eventually admitted that he felt guilty about making a dark and edgy Mickey Mouse game. That naturally leads to speculation as to whether or not Disney got to the team and told them to reign it in, or if he was indeed telling the truth and he didn't like what he was doing to Mickey.

Maybe the team just wasn’t right, and wasn’t behind him on it. You look at Mobygames, and the “related games this team has collaborated on” category is mostly full of generic Disney shovelware. Some of those games were good, mind you, but many of them deeply were not.

Point is, it felt like compromise. One way or the other, the things that were most interesting about Epic Mickey had been neutered. It looked dull and soft compared to what we knew was pitched.

I never played much Epic Mickey. Maybe 30 minutes. I meant to go back to it one day, since people generally did seem to like the game, but that "one day" never came around. It didn't help that it felt like a motion control gimmick game. I never got comfortable with aiming using the Wii Remote. Not in Epic Mickey, not in anything.

I played a demo for Epic Mickey 2 on the Xbox 360, which felt even more reigned-in style-wise, and decided no thanks. Disney paid all this money to get the rights to Oswald back and I just did not care. Did not help that they adapted a sluggish, poor version of their aiming system to work on a controller.

Maybe due to Epic Mickey, and maybe due to his desire to just get out of the spotlight, but it feels like Warren Spector has kind of fallen off the face of the planet since then. There was a time where it felt like everybody was talking about him and what he was going to do next and now, while writing this ask, I was surprised to learn he's attached to whatever System Shock 3 is going to be, because it really feels like nobody cares.

Epic Mickey was a weird idea, a weird compromise, and a weird end result and it seems like everyone was deeply unhappy with some part of every step along the way. The game essentially painted itself in to a corner.

[albert-awol]

Found this gem of a book at the local thrift shop! Couldn’t believe my eyes!! It also came with a limited edition print in the back, which was a total bonus!! (And only 1 dollar, what a deal!)

[waltsluckyrabbit]

Can you link me to the article/source of the Ex-Junction Point employee talking about EM2 being rushed?

((Sure! It was on a forum post on Gamespot that seems to be deleted now, but thankfully, since I had it bookmarked, I was able to find it on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20140407070157/http://www.gamespot.com:80/disney-epic-mickey-2-the-power-of-two/forums/contact-with-former-junction-point-employee-29351371/ ))