i notice the more i talk about Blackness, my culture, history and people online, the more distanced the nonblack mutuals or followers i have are, it’s like they either get intimidated or something, like me acknowledging and being proud of it makes me and other Black ppl unapproachable. The same way recently a South Asian American popular creator lost 2000+ followers after posting videos promoting and celebrating Black women owned restaurants for Black History Month. some even took to his comments to essentially whine, “why cant you support all restaurants and not just Blacks, why even mention the race!”
Mind you, nobody ever has a problem when someone says they’re going to eat at a Chinese/Mexican/Indian etc. restaurant. To everyone, that is normal and not an aberration but centering Blackness in any context immediately gets everybody tight; or hesitant, limited enthusiasm. 😐
The public and unbiased support of Black people actually has social repercussions that aren’t addressed or elaborated on enough tbh.
How can I tactfully make fun of a Woman of Color in my story?
Anonymous asks:
The main character of my story is an eleven-year-old black-and-asian girl who’s just moved to a little hamlet in northern Scotland. The first two people she meets, a pair of siblings about her age who have never seen anyone with dark skin or hair that isn’t straight and blonde or red, are gobsmacked to see her. Everyone knows everyone in that hamlet and they all see each other as family, so the siblings have never had to learn how to greet a stranger.
They immediately start poking and prodding her, and asking what in the world she did to her hair, her skin, her eyes, and she grumpily asks what they did to theirs. There’s no malice behind their poking and prodding, only curiosity, and after this scene, no one bothers her about what she looks like again. This sequence is played for laughs, but is this the kind of thing that’s okay to play for laughs?
I also want to make sure I handle it as tactfully as possible. This scene is used to establish that my main character is very out-of-place in the hamlet, and to show that the siblings are extremely sheltered and ignorant about the wider world.
As is, the “joke” is not funny; it’s just ignorant
I do not see the humor in mocking a Black and Asian girl for their very natural traits, that have a heavy weight of discrimination and systematic racism working against them already, both historically and very much currently.
You also describe her as being “poked and prodded" by these white girls. That alone is obtrusive and dehumanizing, to have them touch her to assuage their own curiosity like she is an object. Is this meant to be part of the humor too? If so, it also does not land.
Your story would not feel like a safe space, at least not for me, and likely other readers, if you make humor out of othering a BIPOC’s common physical looks and traits. This comes across as racism from the author, no matter your light-hearted intent.
“…and she grumpily asks what they did to theirs.”
Your Blasian character’s mumbled comeback doesn’t hold equal weight when these girls do not have historical racialized prejudice against them for their hair, skin, and eyes, particularly in the setting of your story where these white people's hair, skin and eyes are the norm and deemed acceptable.
Your Woman of Color is outnumbered here; besides possibly mild discomfort, this comment won’t leave these white girls feeling out of place when they have a nation of blond-haired, redheaded people to back up that they are the majority and the “normal” and she is the odd-one out.
Unless the character takes it to their level with the comments and returns the evasion of personal space, this simply feels like she’s saying “I know you are, but what am I?” and that's enough correction to address their racism and dehumanization, intentional or not.
Race-based humor requires a delicate, expert touch
All that being said; a scene of surprise and humor related to her presence could take place, and it could even be “funny” without singling out the Character of Color as being the victim of a joke” for being Black and Asian.
The success of your joke will depend on if it’s relatable to BIPOC, vs. it appearing as if you’re just making fun of our features, cultures and existence.
It should make us feel vindicated and satisfied with the outcome, vs. simply reminding us of the harm and othering people do/have done to us in similar situations.
There is a distinct difference between laughing with a joke and being laughed out: being the punchline of said joke. When the latter happens, I’d know I am in enemy territory and the book will be put down for good.
I wouldn’t trust what is next to come if this is the first impression we’re getting of how you’ll treat this character.
And it’s not about not being able to take a joke — we sure can!
Humor is actually a key component in many Black communities (particularly American which is where my perspective comes from), a way to honor the good moments and to process trauma and ongoing harm.
There’s also a distinct difference between laughing at ourselves and among common company vs. someone intruding in our spaces to make a joke at our expense.
Comedic writing
Important note to any comedic writers: there are cases where some topics and moments will simply not be funny to most, especially coming from an outsider of the group.
(Notes on my experience: I am a HUGE comedy fan with a natural love for humor, consume comedic-material daily, and attend live comedic performances. My laughter can be heard across the nation.)
Comedians as research
Humor that pertains to race (and towards all marginalized communities, really) must punch up, not down, or it’s not really a joke. It is just thinly veiled racism/sexism/phobia, etc. This concept applies to all comedy and some comedians handle it well, while others (too many) fail. Time and place makes a major difference as well.
For research, you could do the following:
Search examples of humor based on race, gender, religion etc. where audiences either loved it or condemned the comedian for it. This could give you a baseline on how it’s done well and when it lands poorly. You can learn a lot from both cases.
Read and watch people’s reactions and discourse of said jokes, particularly from the very people from those communities. (e.g., If the bad joke harmed or targeted Black women, give weight to their discourse over any other group. Period.)
Where to find these jokes and discourse
Search engine search
YouTube
Comedian social media pages
Instagram
TikTok
Facebook
Blogs
Streaming channels like Netflix
Jokes found within TV shows, particularly shows with more risque or blunt jokes that make identity-humor (The Office (US), Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Curb Your Enthusiasm, etc.)
And don’t forget to look at the comment sections.
Questions to ask yourself while researching:
Failed jokes/comedy towards marginalized groups
What did people [of the identity] find offensive about the joke(s)?
Beyond obvious fails such as using slurs from outside the group or black/brown/yellowface, what aspects in their delivery made a joke fail, whether overt or more subtle aspects of it?
Did present or historical context affect the failure of the joke?
What was the aftermath or consequences from the joke and overall community reactions?
Does the comedian’s background seem to contribute to the failure of the joke? (For example, having a history of picking on a certain group, their history of interactions with said group, documented history of racism, anti-xxx, sexism, assault, etc.)
Successful jokes/comedy towards marginalized groups
What did people [of the identity] find funny about the joke?
What aspects in their delivery made a joke land, whether in overt or subtle ways?
Does present or historical context affect the success of the joke?
What was the aftermath from the joke and overall community reactions?
Does the comedian’s background seem to contribute to the success of the joke? (For example, being an ally or having strong activism in the group, being connected to the group via partner, family or friendships, being of the same background, etc.)
Addressing the racism in story
As we’ve said before: if there are microaggressions/racism in your story, it should be corrected and addressed in the story.
It should not be brushed off or used as humor with no commentary.
From how you describe these girls, I'm curious if they're just crass children, or truly do not know it’s wrong to treat strangers like this. I’ve got a lot of nieces and nephews, and even the ones a little younger/around that age you mention would know better than to start touching people and making such comments.
Of course, people are raised in different ways and cultures vary, so maybe this is realistic for them.
Reactions (from my experiences) of someone talking/interacting with BIPOC for the first time
Staring unyieldingly with open curiosity (sometimes expressionless, sometimes with a smile, rarely have I seen over the top fear or panicked reactions, but they could happen?)
Blunt compliments, observations and questions (e.g., She was dark and she was beautiful! The lady with beautiful dark skin! He had big hair!)
An excessive amount of comments and questions to the point of feeling invasive or like a dissection
Asking why their skin/hair/eyes are how they are (e.g., why is your skin dark? Why is my skin light and your skin is dark?)
Comparing darker skin to things they’re familiar with like chocolate and night skies (obviously not greatttt, but is just a common comparison children might make, again from what I've observed)
Referring to brown skin as being painted
Asking if they are dark because they spent too much time in the sun
Giving them a nickname based on their appearance (e.g., The brown lady)
Reaching out or trying to touch hair, skin etc. or pointing at them
The above, including the examples, are exact scenarios I’ve witnessed and experienced first-hand from white and light-skinned children of younger ages, generally 4-7years, having reactions or making comments of curiosity about skin and traits that are different than theirs.
Handling these reactions
Obviously children of this age are generally innocent and these questions/observations aren’t generally said with malice. But when they are wrong, offensive or are rooted in racism, they absolutely need correction, whether bluntly if they’re older, or in a kid-appropriate way.
I believe that these children do:
1.Deserve an answer, explained in a way they would understand. We shouldn’t shy around the topics and it is not shameful to talk about race! Colorblindness is not real and is a racist concept itself that attempts to erase and culturally-diminish BIPOC, so it’s okay to discuss. Children of Color are born with the burdens of racism from day one and can/do face it at all ages, so yes, let’s answer their curious questions, but correct where needed.
2. Can handle gentle corrections.
Examples:
“You shouldn’t call the woman chocolate. She’s a person, like you. She is not made of candy. You can refer to her skin as brown.”
“That’s enough questions. Let them answer your first question, if they want to.”
“You can look at him, but staring is not very polite. Would you like to say hello?”
“We do not touch people without permission. Would you like it if a stranger touched your hair and clothes?”
Adding humor to these moments
I suppose there are ways to make some of these reactions humorous. Your mileage will vary, though. I’d like to note that Alice, who grew up in a predominantly white European country, says your current scenario brings up bad memories for her. You’ll hear from Mod Abhaya as well.
So, what you may see as funny may be more discomforting to another.
I’d advise getting opinions on these scenes to gauge reactions from Black, Asian and other BIPOC and readers overall (of any race).
Here are some ways that a curious/ignorant reaction could, possibly, be funny in story:
Your Blasian character corrects them with a long, silent scalding look that makes them wither and instantly regret and realize they’ve said something ignorant. They have to do the thinking themselves to realize their wrongdoing.
She rewards their ignorance with a spray of a water bottle or a swat of a handkerchief, fan, or whatever is era-appropriate. A few words explaining why she’s doing it would reiterate the fault in their words. Note: this works best if physical humor is part of your story, otherwise it can unfairly paint her as violent. If other characters get involved in the corrections, that would help too.
She returns their treatment equally. (e.g., they pet her skin? She pets theirs. They compare her hair to something odd and unflattering? She compares theirs to greasy noodles and dead grass)
If excessive questions are asked, she returns the favor and asks her own and makes them feel uncomfortable right back (see above)
The character intentionally provides tall tale explanations. It could be simple or a myth of epic proportions. Whether they believe it or not, at least at first, could determine how funny it is).
The girls, having realized their innocent/ignorant wrongdoing, apologize in an over-the-top way that entertains your character.
Again! Please correct or chastise this behavior in the narrative
Whether from characters or author, this behavior should be deemed unacceptable.
In Summary:
Framing the ignorant comments as being the source of humor is something I'd advise against. Source the humor from the resulting consequences that come from their ignorant actions. Let your Character of Color get the true last laugh.
And if the children grow sullen or have their feelings hurt in this story, well, lesson learned to treat the young woman like a human.
Additionally, I'd avoid making truly egregious comments about the character's appearance. It may be fiction, but such words hurt when us real people have these features.
Take your creator responsibility role seriously. You are writing the words of these fictional characters, and some things cannot be unheard or taken back.
~Mod Colette
Intent does not excuse harm
Short answer: an individual lack of malice does not mean that someone’s actions are not harmful or indicative of broader attitudes. Playing something like this for laughs, when many people have had bad experiences like this, leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
Longer answer:
There are a couple of aspects of this that I would ask you to consider.
You mention them poking and prodding at her. Are you intending to imply that these children do not understand the concept of personal space? I would assume most parents teach their children about not going up to strangers and touching them at random.
What time period is this placed in? Have they never seen a person of color on television or via the internet? Even if they have never interacted personally with a person of color, most children will have seen people of different ethnicities passively through the media. Many children’s books will show people of varying ethnicities. If they are tweens, how are they at a point where they have never seen people of color before? I would consider their actions to be indicative of deliberate aspects of their upbringing i.e. representative of attitudes shown by their parents or guardians.
Establishing your main character as a firm outsider to the setting by emphasizing her physical characteristics does not seem like it will reflect well to the audience. I understand that the incident is not repeated, but it sets an awkward precedent for the character coming into an entirely new environment.
As someone who has had their braid swung around like a jump rope by a random classmate, I would personally consider an incident like this harassment. Consider why you are choosing to frame something like this as comedic.
Am I The Waojat for kicking a clanless female out of the city park?
My clan had just finished a major contract in Antngvi City, ahead of schedule and under budget, and so to celebrate, I organized an all-clan trip to Tngshiar Park-Preserve for a picnic feast. We bought dumplings from our favorite dumpling shop, and frozen blood pudding, and everything else you'd imagine.
The park wasn't too crowded that day, so we were easily able to find a spot on the edge of the green, and my 12-year-old children and our two jngti were chasing each other around the green while we adults set up the picnic. But then I noticed, at the far edge of the green, a strange female sitting alone, calmly eating a couple skewers of rin. She was obviously clanless, and I did not like the idea of someone like that being right at the edge of the green where my kids were playing. She gave off a rather ominous and predatory aura, if you know what I mean.
I brought her to the attention of the other adults, who were likewise quite concerned, especially my entourage, and we were discussing what to do about her, when she finished her meal and came right across the green, walking boldly right up to us.
She accused us of "glaring" at her, "in the most hostile manner," and demanded to know why. I of course pointed out that we had not, in fact, been "glaring" at her in any manner, to which she replied, with a sneer, "In that case, don't let me stop you from minding your own business." Then she walked off, face held high, and after tossing her empty skewers in a trash bin, walked back across the green and settled herself exactly where she had been before.
So, naturally, I sent for the gamekeeper. It proved quite unnecessarily difficult to explain to this worker the threat this clanless individual posed to my family, but eventually, when I agreed to accompany them, along with three or four of my strongest female workers, they agreed to remove the threatening person from the park. She went quietly, if haughtily, condemning our "barbarism" all the way.
I did what was best to protect my family, but now that I've told some of my sister clans and other friendly matriarchs about this incident, some of them are insisting that I "overreacted," or that "that's not how things are done in Antngvi City." Even one of my own sireparents said what I did was "uncalled for"! But what was I supposed to do? Let her sit there and ogle my children from across the green? Waiting for her opportunity to strike? I'm sure all of you will agree with me that what I did was for the best. Please help me explain that to my sister-clan matriarchs.
I really want to do a horror movie marathon with Dean Winchester and interview him after each one and then make a podcast episode analyzing everything he says. Dean canonically binges horror movies and said outright that it's because they comfort him and reinforce his worldview. Someone like Freddy Kruger being (sexually) dangerous to children would fit so neatly in Dean's worldview. Freddy is an Other, specifically a supernatural Other. He isn't even human; not-even-human Others are the danger to humans. The power structure of the patriarchal nuclear family remains an unquestioned good, and Dean's role as killer of enemy Others is validated. What does he make of the monster always escaping? How would he disagree with fear of the monster really being a kind of desire? I have so many questions!!!
Such a strange insult towards Stede. But the more I think about it, the more horrid it is, because it really gets into the mindset of Izzy.
‘Rancid’ is synonymous with poison or decomposition. Izzy sees Stede as an infection to be eradicated. He’s a disease who’s ‘done something to my boss’s brain’. He needs to be got rid of to save Ed’s life. Execution ‘is quick, it’s clean’. The end will be fast and the infection gone. But Stede by normal standards is the opposite of rancid. He smells of yummy lavender soap, wears fine fabrics, eats the best marmalade, and looks like a mischievous Apollo. The Stede infection is softness, positivity, kindness, leaning into the feminine. It’s infecting proper masculinity, is what Izzy means, and causing the rot.
Then there’s ‘rat’, which links to Chauncey’s ‘plague’. Stede is the cause of a softness infestation. He has changed the pirates on the Revenge. He is changing Ed. He is changing the tone of piracy in the entire Caribbean.
And rat is also about othering, dehumanising. Describing someone as an animal is often Izzy’s go-to insult - ‘rat’, ‘wild dog’, ‘shark’. It’s a fascist tactic. We laugh at Izzy being the only human in a muppet universe. But I do wonder if Izzy thinks he’s actually the only human amongst animals. That he needs to march around civilising (or eradicating if they can’t be brought to heel), these people of colour, these ‘namby pambies’. Izzy’s the guardian of a masculine moral universe. He is white patriarchy incarnate. And Stede is a class and gender traitor, femme vermin come to destroy it.
I won’t draw the obvious conclusion, but in this scene, Stede Bonnet is certainly not the rancid rat.
“But it was part of the original story!” The Grimm brothers were antisemitic and the “OG” fairy tale (along with many others) is also antisemitic. That isn’t helping her argument at all and is proving the point of the other person lol.
“Rapunzel and her parents weren’t blonde.” They are clearly white while gothel has non white features. Not only that, Disney shows rapunzel as being a blonde most of the movie and uses it as a contrast with gothel’s dark curly hair. Gothel also steals rapunzel for her blonde hair and uses it for her own gain! The other person’s point still stands.
They are so obvious or are acting stupid regarding the antisemitic stereotypes found in gothel. Disney made her look like that while applying stereotypes that are antisemitic. Not only that, other Disney villains have also been called antisemitic or use othering in their design. Once again, proving the other person point.
It’s also funny that they compared frollo to gothel. Frollo is a Christian fundamentalist based off real life religious freaks while gothel is a character rooted in antisemitic tropes as well as sexist and ageist tropes. You can find a Christian extremist in real life but you can’t find a woman who’s only alive because she’s wants to be young and pretty!
And the movie ended up demonizing women who look like her in real life. It’s no coincidence that people have been fan casting actresses of color and other minorities as gothel.
It doesn’t matter if the op thinks that it’s an inaccurate statement of gothel. Jewish people have stated how damaging gothel is to them. It’s also not just them, people from various groups have stated that as well like Romani and Armenian groups. It also doesn’t matter if the creators for that trash movie didn’t mean it. They created a harmful character that is hurting people in real life.
Is it really so hard to say “I understand the issues in the movie” instead of looking like a total insensitive idiot?
