#sonic discourse

[cart00nmilk]

“Sonic needs to have tan eyelids” “Sonic needs to have blue eyelids”

WRONG

Slutty Black Eyelids

[connor-robotnik]

ESSAY UPDATE

So I’ve been getting started on my SCU Robotnik essay finally (I’m trying to beat my procrastination problems.) and I’m currently working on writing it on docs and making sure it’s right. It will be pretty long so I don’t know if I’ll have to split it into different chapters, but hey. Only time will tell.

[mahougelato]

Made a dumb meme bc it's true

[imperator-jak]

My ranking of each Rouge variant in Sonic Prime.

Warning: This post contains spoilers for the animated series "Sonic Prime". English is not my native language, so I apologize if my English isn't the best.

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Honorable mention - Grim Rouge.

I don't know if I should include the robotic version of Rouge on the list, but I'll mention it here because it's the least I can do. Anyway, the most I can say is that I like the design. I believe the designs of the Grims (and their troops) are really cool and an interesting interpretation of the Metal versions.

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4 - Prime Rouge.

I'm only putting the main version of Rouge in fourth place because we don't see much of her in the series. She served to deliver the information about the Paradox Prism, and that's it, but I'll admit, the interaction between her and Sonic in Tails' garage was a little funny.

Now, I'm going to talk about the character design, because I believe it's the most interesting topic to discuss. I don't know if many people hated this design when the series launched because it covered Rouge's body, but I believe some people might not have liked it because of that. I'll try to be honest, I don't hate the outfit itself; I think it's an interesting alternative outfit for Rouge to wear, and I think it works as a more "stealth" outfit, if you know what I mean. I'm not a fan of how Rouge's neck looks in the outfit; I think it looks strange, and that's the only thing that bothers me a little about the outfit. Oh, and I think the colors and details look good on the outfit too.

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3 - Prim Rouge.

Regarding the wild version of Rouge, I honestly think her story and broken friendship with Thorn Rose were interesting to see, even if it was somewhat simple and sometimes a bit slow. I don't have much to say, I like that she tried to use Sonic at the beginning and it shows her opportunistic side, I just wish there was more, because sometimes I even forget that she's supposed to be a variant of Rouge.

Regarding the character design, I think it's the design I like the least among the variants, honestly. I like that Prim hardly uses any purple and the paint on her face is something different, I think it looks nice. I'm not a fan of seeing the characters' hands without gloves, I think it looks strange most of the time. Like, it makes sense that some of them don't have gloves because they're in a wild era, but it's something I really don't like.

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2 - Batten Rouge.

This pirate version of Rouge is quite strange to me, because I like her charisma and personality in general, but I feel we missed a great opportunity to use Batten as a rival to Dread. First, the design is okay, nothing special, and it fits with pirates in general. I find the character charismatic most of the time, as I said before, and her accent is funny sometimes.

Now, my biggest problem with this variant is that I think the writers should have used her as the Captain who usurped Dread because he became a coward in capturing the Paradox Prism. Like, she's a pirate variant of Rouge, how come she doesn't have a bigger role than she was given in the series?! It would have been an interesting interpretation of the "rivalry" between Knuckles and Rouge, because Rouge wants to steal the Master Emerald and Knuckles wants to protect it; we could have had something where two pirates became rivals and both try to capture the same Prism. And also, I never liked that the pirates who usurped Dread were a bunch of nobodies; Batten should have been the usurper and become the new captain, it would have been amazing to see.

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1 - Rebel Rouge.

I'll get straight to the point, I like Rebel Rouge's design, I think it fits the universe she's in. I just wish it had a little more purple, because her flashback showed that her outfit used to be a bit more purple before the Chaos Council arrived and destroyed her home.

Regarding the character, I find it interesting that she went down a completely different path from the Rouge we know, because she was supposed to be the world's greatest thief, a rebel who doesn't care about the rules and the consequences that come after her. However, Rebel Rouge is quite different, because she's still a rebel and tries to break the rules set by the Chaos Council, but still tries to bring something of value back to her group: freedom and the nature that was destroyed.

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We've reached the end, my friends. I hope you enjoyed the list. Comment if you'd like to share your opinion about the series or the variations on the list. Until next time!

[zipchainsaw]

sonic discourse is so funny to me

like why are we getting so mad over a blue hedgehog bro its not that deep. why the fuck are we acting like ian flynn is the anti christ 😭🙏 fuck he ever do to you, murder your puppy or something? and idw haters can be so corny like how i once saw one say "i'll be over here with the REAL sonic" like i get not liking idw but thats just dumb to say. sonic is sonic. if you like any sonic, you are a real sonic fan.

[demogus2023]

More Stupid talk about the ages of Sonic Characters.

I want to nominate this line as the worst line in Sonic when it comes to its lore. It may look like a nothing line, but I promise this line is fucked, no matter what side you take.

Let's say you view the majority of the cast as children. Well, Infinite said “decades”. With an “s.” So the cast is at least 20, argument over.

BUT….

Let's really think about that. Let's be generous and say Tails was only 4 in Sonic 2. That would make him 24 in Sonic Forces. You're telling me this goober, who went “YEEHAW" mode for Halloween, can legally drink?

Even someone like me, who views most of the cast as adults, has a hard time believing that.  

“But Demogus, the Sonic Cast lost their canon ages around 2023. Sonic Forces came out in 2017.” Yes indeed, it did. WHICH MAKES THIS EVEN FUNNIER. If you don’t know, Sonic canon age was 15 before it was retconned.  Sonic isn’t even 2 decades old, which means either 2 things:

Infinite is referencing the real-world time between Sonic 1 and Forces. For no reason, Infinite broke the fourth wall.

This game is so poorly written that the writers just threw this line in without thinking about the lore implications.

It's number 2, I'm sorry.

[maplethedarkshine]

On the new issue of idw Sonic (76) Silver's acting quite different from early idw

More happy and silly/ more serious and mature and overall closer to his 06/rivals characterization

Big w for Silver fans (ME) But with this I've seen people say he's now "too serious", which fair, but I've also seen people say that he's acting like Shadow 2.0, that's a common argument in favor of the sillier Silver of early idw, "we already have enough serious male characters" "Shadow and Espio are enough we need more variety"

While is completely valid to prefer the goofier Silver, to say that the more serious one is just "Shadow and Espio again" is so SO wrong it's making me go insane

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Silver is NOT Shadow, Silver is NOT Espio and Espio is NOT Shadow, fandom tend to treat them like almost basically the same character because they have some common traits it's insane...

First of all, yeah, we NEED more silly male character, but

1# Why changing an already existing character with an already established personality instead of making a new one?

2# We already DO have a silly male character and yall don't tend to like him... (Charmy my baby they will never make me hate you)

Besides, the three have different purposes on the narrative, franchise, and are just different people with the "serious" flavor on top

Silver and Shadow are literal narrative opposites (Past vs future)

Shadow is a character whose arc is that of letting go of the past and moving on

Silver, by concept, can NOT let go of the past and move on because he CAN and WILL change it. Being a time traveler means he can NOT accept circumstances as they are because he has the power to make it better, while Shadow knows that what happened happened and won't do him any good to ponder about the past and live trapped in it

Shadow's character is about acceptance, Silver's about perseverance and optimism.

That bich-ass Sonic forces line of "I'm an optimist but also a realist" NO HE'S NOT??? Silver is the definition of delusional. Fights a half-god on a daily basis, travels back to the past to safe his future, and even when their hope (Sonic) is dead he WILL NOT accept it and keep having hope... And it works because he IS hope

He did the impossible because he's not meant to be realistic, he's meant to be an idea, a concept

Silver is hope just as much as Sonic is freedom. They're representations

Shadow is, on the contrary, a more realistic character (alien talking hedgehog but shhh) in the sense of writing. He's written to have an arc, to change and evolve. Sonic is a static character, an ideal, thus not written "realistically", Silver is a middle ground between the two, but closer to Sonic. He's written to have relatable struggles just as Shadow, but with that idealistic and imposible focus of Sonic. He's a literal angel born in hell (crisis city)

Now, would Shadow, a character defined for his story of moving on from the past and living and learning, fit the role of Silver, a character that, by conception conflicts with the idea of letting the past be in the most direct way possible? If your answer is "no", then you understand why Silver is NOT "Shadow 2.0". Of course there's more nuance and little differences but I'm already overdoing it lmao, my point is that Silver and Shadow are at the core completely different characters and to say they're basically the same because "they're serious" is straight up wrong

Oh and DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON ESPIO

The fandom treat him like "Shadow minus the lore" and it's pissing me off so much because MAN. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

CHARACTER BEING THE REPRESENTATION OF TRAUMA VS COMIC RELIEF CHARACTER

I could go in a tangent here going on the nuances but I'll just make a simple point

"They both have almost the same personality-" would team Chaotix work replacing Espio with Shadow? No, right? So they're NOT the same, because Espio is, on top of everything, a character meant to be in a trio, to bounce out of the other two. Of course, he also works alone as a character just fine, and of course he also works in serious narratives, because he DOES have a personality and depth outside of comic relief (and also nuance that makes him even more different from Shadow and Silver but we're not going there) but his purpose is to be alongside Charmy and Vector, he's made to be surrounded by people and surrounded specifically by those two, so people analyzing him in a vacuum devoid of his team are just interpreting him from the wrong angle. Of course that isolating him from the context of his character would make him extremely similar to Shadow, at that point you're just ignoring half of his character and his point of existing. That's like trying to analyze Knuckles as a character while isolating him from Angel Island and the Master emerald and pretending that's a side note...💔💔💔

The concept of hope vs The representation of trauma vs Part of a team of comic relief characters

How are they even CLOSE to being "basically the same character"????

And I mean if we're going there then the three of them are a Knuckles rip-off because he did the "Loner rival guy" first. Tangle shouldn't exist because she's basically just girl Sonic. Metal shouldn't exist because Silver Sonic happened first and there can only be one robot Sonic. Surge can't exist because scourge already did the "Green rival with blue eyes" but actually jet did it first so fuck them both. Agent Stone can't exist because Starline already exist and it's the same but furry....

"But they're not the same because-" yeah exactly my point.

Characters charing traits does NOT make them "basically the same" and changing one for "variety sake" is useless and counterproductive. We already HAVE that variety you just don't like it

(Also idk if I sound annoying/like an asshole, it's 2 am and I'm rambling something that maybe tomorrow won't make sense anymore lmao)

[yannastarlight]

Fellow Sonaze enjoyers, what's going on? 

Its seemed Like Sonaze was gradually becoming more and more popular in the Sonic community (especially on reddit), being a rare ship its been great to see more art and support for it (as It is the only sonic ship I feel somewhat strongly about) I haven’t been very actively engaged in Sonic for a few months now, but I’m begging to see that with the rise of “toxic Sonaze fans” or something at least on reddit.

Now I haven't seen much of this actual toxicity, most just Blaze fans who are sick of her being attached to Silver all the time (a notion I agree with) But people have been turning that debate into a Sonaze vs Silvaze kinda thing, which is a completely different discussion and honestly pointless. Saw a comment along the lines: “are Sonaze fans the new Sonally fans?” and I don’t get anything against any shipping community in this fandom, but I can tell that has a negative connotation to it.

Being a minority shipper ain’t easy, personally shipping discourse is inherently useless, especially as romance isn’t and hopefully never will be a main theme in Sonic stories. I can write a whole essay about how awesome Blaze and Sonic’s relationship is thematically and character wise, and how their friendship should be more explored in Sonic stories (But give Blaze some solo stories + Marine and Cream first!) but I don’t want to get into pointless arguments with fans who believe the ship is “forced” (especially if your a Silvaze fan, that duo is the definition of forced, coming from someone who adores Silver)

Anyway with Sonaze week on Tumblr coming up I have a lot of art planned, and I may go back to making Sonaze (and Sonic in general) content going forward :D!