#stan critical

[reblogandlikes]

I don't know. Sometimes, reading comments and engaging in conversation with Rhysand stans feels eerily similar to trying to reason with religious fundamentalist. No matter what you say and the questions asked to prompt them to look beyond what's being told by their leader and actually focus on what's being shown through their actions, they'd refused to even acknowledge.

The programming is too deep, and they respond with direct quotes from said leader. Have to stick to the script. Cultish vibes. It's actually haunting. Worse when you see how easily this can even happen with fictional characters, no wonder manipulating people into accepting atrocities in the real world is so easily done. How the government controls the masses and spins certain narratives.

[western-magical-girl-confessions]

“Some extreme Chloe stans are SO immature and act like babies at the mere possibility of Chloe getting called out for ANYTHING that she does lol I remember one time that I got chewed out by a Chloe stan for writing an anti-Chloe post that I wrote 3 YEARS AGO, in which my opinion on her NOW has changed. But they didn't want to accept that, so they harassed my page and post until they realized that they couldn't control my opinions and blocked me. It didn't matter that I didn't hate her anymore mind you, because I HAVE to support her no matter what from the get-go, just because of the possibility of upsetting a stan that I would've POSSIBLY met in the future. Lol gtfo. 

It was complete waste of time for the both of us. If they felt the way that they felt, then they should’ve just blocked me in the first place without saying anything, because...people have the right to dislike Chloe. She was handled poorly by the creator I agree, but that doesn't mean that people still can't dislike her. Whether you or anybody thinks that she deserved a good redemption or not, the point still stands that she's a bully character, and there are some anti-Chloe fans who had bad experiences with bullying characters. 

I think it's a little insensitive and close-minded to judge them for disliking Chloe for those reasons just because you like her. It's like people care more about a fictional 14-year-old girl's problems than actual-life people whose suffered the same kind of bullying from people like that. It's really baffling and crazy.”

[rosepetalsthings]

Thank you for responding,

You have some good points of what he should talk to his stans about and what he should avoid them on.

As you pointed out, it does feel like he is less strict with them due to them being a big reason as to why he's more successful. I do hope that he does get a bit stricter in the future but I'm not sure when that'd be.

From what I'm looking back at, it appears that he sorta tries to control them but it doesn't work all the time. Most of this just seems to be the stans screaming at other ccs for looking at their idols.

Also for the Yellow yaks, I really really hope that it all goes well with that team, since george's stans hate Hbomb

Thank you again for taking the time to respond and I hope that you have a lovely day. -Clip Anon

I think the issue of cc's addressing Stans is always a touchy one, and not always subject to work. People just gonna be like that sometimes (I think Techno's quote of "the thing is, with 50,000 people, a few of them are gonna be serial killers" is pretty apt).

I'm just glad that Hbomb is back (was expecting him again, just thought he might be back later)! And it really doesn't surprise me that there are George Stans who hate him considering the whole minx thing (which is one of the stupidest and funniest things I've seen to date in mcyt). Granted certain stans will find any reason to justify sending hate to a cc's friends, but hopefully it's blown over enough by now.

I'm also real hype for Ponk I saw him and I just went =O I think this combo has the potential to be pretty chill vibes all things considered.

Also thank you! I hope you have a lovely day too clip anon

[2486034]

also: actual kids and teens getting into fandon and stanning is bad. like its inherently bad especially for their mental health and person and im sorta surprised this hasnt been brought up?? like theres so many better things to do instead of blindly worshipping mediocre celebrities and media yall

[downcast-crohw]

i think it says alot that so many stans complain about the non existent crit in the main tag, but not the disgusting amounts of porn

[rosepetalsthings]

Hello,

I was wondering if you could give me your point of view on a Dream related thing?

It's about Dream and how he interacts with his stans, also please feel free to ignore this if you are not interested in debating this topic.

From my perspective he appears to not take a lot of responsibility for the actions of his stans, please keep in mind that I do not mean his following of stans as a whole, I mean the ones who are worrisome at best. Or as another way of putting it, the people who are more like the original meaning of stan, stalker fans.

I've seen his video (https://youtu.be/VEBg7UZcD0M) on his DreamXD channel discussing his thoughts on them, and I fully agree with some of his points but he never really addresses the behavior of his more troublesome stans.

Like for example the ones who send threats to other ccs for going up against dream whether it's in mcc or in other fun. The example I can think of off the top of my head is after MCC 14 him, quackity, sapnap, and punz were saying that Hbomb cheated by using a glitch in hole in the wall. I'm fully aware that it was done lightheartedly and that it was mainly punz and sapnap doing most of the teasing but from what I'm aware the only apology was given out after quackity made them, they might have said sorry to Hbomb off of camera but that doesn't stop Hbomb from being sent threats. (Clip in question https://youtu.be/weOHxg0Za0I)

A lot of the stalker fans just take jokes too far and it ruins it for everyone and I'm not just talking about Dream stans in this particular example, but Dream stans are more vocal about stuff like this.

I fully understand why Dream doesn't address some of his more creepy stans but I don't get why he doesn't address the ones telling other ccs that they wish horrible things would happen to them.

I'm hoping that you can provide a differing view point and/or some options on this, as I curious as to what your thoughts on this are.

Thank you for taking the time to take apart my arguments instead of just telling me that I'm wrong and not saying why. -Clip Anon

Hi clip anon,

Hmmm, this is a pretty complicated situation I feel.

So first off, is he responsible for his more extreme and toxic fans behaviour? I think in general no, he's not responsible for the actions they take, including harassment of other cc's, since people have agency and should be held responsible for their own behaviour.

However, do I think he's responsible for (unintentionally or at least not maliciously) targeting certain creators? That's where I think it gets more complicated.

Dream has definitely encouraged a stan base, which isn't really a bad thing, cause as you've said, as a whole they're not bad. Stan culture means something different to what it used to, and is now just fans who are very passionate. It's just that for some, this passion gets incredibly toxic.

Also, I wasn't really watching Dream back when he posted that vid, but from what I understand, Dream was a lot more lenient on stan behaviour, focusing on the positives rather than the negatives (and why wouldn't he be? They essentially make his career possible). I think that did leniency lead to harassment of other cc's, because he didn't really set up clear boundary's on that. And people get defensive if they see their fave cc upset, which Dream was... pretty public about (He has a lot of instances of react defensively first, think later. He is admittedly better about it now, or at least better about it on twitter since this is where most of that stems from). I think he now is more against those stans then he once was with the official Boundary List (idk what else to call it but I think that was a turning point)

Now, finally getting to the Hbomb clip, I don't really think a public apology was needed cause fans aren't required one, and I honestly don't think anything that Dream could say at that point would have stopped the stans doing that. To Dreams credit, he does say to not send any hate to Hbomb (with Punz jumping in on that).

I also disagree slightly and think he does address the bad behaviour of stans, it's just not always useful or needed (like he states in the Anthony Padilla interview, it would just bring more attention to them half the time. So I get it, gotta pick your battles). For instance, when he appeared on Hannah's Bedwars stream I believe he addressed the Stans that got Hannah neg trending for the crime of being a girl. Also a good example of Dream could be doing literally anything and people would still find a reason to try and sen hate on his behalf despite that being a horrible thing to do and not at all what he wants.

So, I don't think addressing the stans is always a good idea, that most of these people would do so no matter what Dream says, since they would already know Dream doesn't approve, so addressing it would just bring more of these stans to light.

This is really long and probably very complicated, but tl;dr, I think that Dream himself is not responsible for the behaviour of his stans (but he has done things that have unintentionally lead to harassment), I don't think a response is always needed but I do think he does respond when appropriate.