Holy shit I am down so bad for this man. Everytime I see him I get fucking heart eyes 😍 I am disgusted with myself (he would love it)
I truly would not want to leave this universe solely bc of Callisto. I get everyone wants Penelope dead but I know he wouldn't allow anyone to touch her.
One of the most compelling aspects of Oboro's character is that he was Shouyou's first student, yet ultimately betrayed him out of jealousy. At first, his motivations seemed selfless; he allowed Shouyou to roam free, believing that doing so would grant his master and fellow students a happy life. But over time, that selflessness twisted into selfishness; he wanted to be the one by his master's side, regardless of what happened to the others. In the end, he turned him in and burned their school, destroying their home both symbolically and pshysically.
His presence at Shouyou's execution and the fact that he was responsible for Takasugi's last image in his left eye being Gintoki's tears adds another layer of personal conflict that shaped Gintoki, Takasugi, and Katsura. Yet, despite his actions, he intervened to stop others from killing them, arguing that as samurai, they'd "already died," a moment that reveals there's more to his character. With these connections, he felt like he was being positioned as a major antagonist. He was the first student, the source of their greatest suffering, and a servant of the Tendoushuu, the overarching threat of the series. Yet, once Utsuro was introduced, Oboro lost much of his individuality, eventually feeling like little more than Utsuro's lackey.
The more I reflect on it, the more I believe Oboro would've been a better final villain. He didn't need immortality for it to work, his story already embodied the themes of emptiness and loss in a way that paralleled Gintoki's journey far better than Utsuro ever did. Oboro had a family, lost it, found another, and lost it again. He represented what Gintoki could become if he lost the Yorozuya and his friends in Kabukicho, a man who, to avoid pain, chose to live on empty, refusing to let anyone else fill his heart (except for the memory of his master).
Unlike Utsuro, who was an all-powerful immortal, Oboro's inability to escape his cycle of servitude felt more grounded. Taken as a child, molded into a tool, he was never given the chance to break free. That made him a bigger threat than most foes Gintoki had faced, someone who couldn't be swayed, had nothing left to fight for or lose, yet remained just another pawn in a larger system, one that wouldn't simply disappear even if he were defeated.
Some might argue that because Oboro followed orders of the Tendoushuu, he wouldn't have worked as the final antagonist. But in my view, that actually aligns better with what Gintama was always about. The series was never about overthrowing entire power structures, it was about protecting what mattered within them. At most, victories came in small, personal ways: saving a single town from a tyrant, forcing the government's hand for the sake of two lovers, etc. Even in victory, the world's problems remained. That's why one of the biggest issues with the final arc was its scale. While I understand why Sorachi wanted to go bigger, it never quite fit the series' core themes.
Had Oboro been the final villain, the theme of emptiness could still have been explored, perhaps even more effectively than with Utsuro. His character was already set up for it. He shut his heart after losing everything, but that very loss could've been used to push Gintoki further, forcing him to confront his greatest fear: losing someone precious again. If Oboro had killed someone in Kabukicho or critically injured Kagura or Shinpachi, it would've cemented his role in the narrative, making the conflict deeply personal.
In the end, like Utsuro, he too could've realized that because people are empty, they seek to fill their hearts with others. His final moment (like his actual death in the series) where he was acknowledged as part of the Shouka Sonjuku, could've been even more impactful if he chose to protect his fellow students as their older brother, sacrificing himself against the Tendoushuu. By breaking free from the organization that had controlled him since childhood and allowing others to fill the void within him, his conclusion would've been far more meaningful, adding greater depth to his character and the story as a whole.
I've seen some discussion about "how disrespectful and misogynistic it was of Buck to come out at his sister's wedding". And at first I laughed about that take, but after some consideration, I became pretty sad. Because I feel this is one of the most queerphobic takes I've seen in this whole fandom discourse taking place since May.
What does this take imply about being queer and coming out? It tells us that coming out is a big thing. Something that you need to do with great care and put a lot of attention to, that you need to expect everyone else to put a lot of attention to. But not because people might react poorly and it's a decision a queer person needs to make carefully for their own safety's sake (which is the very reality for most queer people in any given situation) and instead because everyone else has the right to make a big deal about it and demand to talk about it and fully concentrate on it no matter what else is going on.
Coming out should not be big thing. It should not even be necessary.
That it is necessary to tell people "hey, you know, I'm not straight" or "hey, you know, I'm not cis" or any other thing people assume about others is a problem of our society. We are living in a heteronormative world. People complain about children being exposed to queer themes, but at the same time the toddlers in the sandpit--one a boy the other a girl--getting along great for the afternoon they are playing together, are called boyfriend and girlfriend. And then they are teased about their "crushes" (at least as long as it's a crush of the oposite gender, of course. In any other case they just really close friends and isn't nice to see such close friendships?).
No one should assume about any real person they see on the street, or in class, or at work, or on the news, or on TV what or who they are. But in the end all of us, the queer community just as much as everyone else, assume about people they don't know that they are straight and cis. Or they assume just by their appearances that they are decidedly not straight or not cis. (I just recently saw a meme: A picture of Christina Aguilera on a stage, and a comment beneath about "the horrors of men dressing as women" or something along those lines. That’s sad for so many reasons, but I think it very much showed the mindset of many people about how their perception is more important than anything else.)
It shouldn't matter. But sadly, it does. We live in a society where I was nervous at 16 when I told my mom "I like girls more than boys at the moment" because I had a horrible crush on a girl in my class when she asked me about dating boys (to then be told by my mother that it was a phase and would go away eventually. I haven't told her yet that it wasn't a phase but that I do use another label now). We live in a society where I used a friend's struggle with her family concerning her girlfriend to very carefully see how my dad would react to me talking about this at 21 and then blurted out "I know how my friend feels because Mom was horrible when I told her I'm bi" (to then break down in tears when my dad just shrugged, said I hadn't told him anything new about myself or my mom and if my friend and her girlfriend needed any help).
I wish we lived in a world where sitting at a café with a relatively new friend and just mentioning "this woman I once dated" without it interrupting the conversation at all was normal. And where it is just as normal that this friend shared a little while later "that's why I mostly dated women before meeting my husband" again without it interrupting our conversation in any way. Our hug when we said goodbye might have been a little bit longer and a little bit tighter than is usual, but other than that it was not a big deal coming out to each other at all. I, for my part, didn't even think about it being a big thing because I feel comfortable and secure with this friend.
I wish we lived in a world where coming out wasn't even necessary.
I wish we lived in a world where others wouldn't make assumptions based on what others look like under their closes, or about who they love, or about who they find attractive, or about who they fuck. Where people wouldn't judge how people style themselves and how they look and what the scale might show about their weight. I wish we lived in a world where none of that mattered. I wish we lived in a world where a man showing up with a boyfriend or showing up single to any event would be as much talked about as a man showing up with a girlfriend: that there would be no talk about it at all.
We don't live in such a world. And when I look at people saying Buck was disrespectful and misogynistic (really, what??? Are people once more just throwing around random words to see which of them will stick?) by coming out at his sister's wedding, I know my nieces and nephews and probably even my grand-nieces and grand-nephews won't ever experience such a world. Because instead of working to normalize being queer, people are doing exactly the opposite. (And then of course the anti-queer laws we are seeing pop up again at the moment, but that's another topic.)
All that despite 9-1-1 showing us at least a glimpse of that world I wish we could live in.
We saw Buck struggle with some internalized homophobia, of course. Because I think that's exactly what his nervousness during the first date and his panic when Eddie showed up was about. We know that Buck isn't homophobic in the slightest. We have seen him interact with enough queer people in the course of the show to know that about him. But clearly, there was a tiny voice in his head--and I'd bet money it sounded very much like Margaret Buckley's voice--telling him it was shameful to date a man. He worked through it very quickly and I think that's a testament of how much he did work through the bullshit his parents planted in his head in therapy. And it might also be a sign of how much he really likes Tommy and wants to be with him that he managed to work through that hateful voice in his head in just a couple of days.
But then we also saw that coming out is very much not a big deal at all at the wedding. I fully believe Buck knew about the soot on his face (Come on guys, he's been a firefighter for over seven years. He worked in a forest fire at least once. Buck knows exactly how soot travels and how difficult it is to get rid of it again.) He chose to have the soot all over his face to show everyone how he had greeted Tommy. He dragged Tommy into the room holding his hand. He took that slight breath to prepare himself for any reaction and then beamed over his whole face. There was no spoken announcement, but it could still not have been louder. I'm sure, if everything had gone according to plan (and Tommy hadn't been stuck fighting a fire) there wouldn't have been any big announcement then either. They'd just have danced among all the other couples dancing at the wedding and let everyone else make their assumptions about it.
And everyone else just reacted like I wish it would always go: They smiled, happy to see Buck happy, and turned back to the main event. No one talked about Buck and Tommy. No one asked Buck and Tommy any questions. No one turned to Buck and said "But you've always liked women!" or asked "Were you hurt by a woman? Is that the reason you are turning to men now?" or accused "You should have told us an age ago! Why didn't you tell us? How dare you not to tell us!".
It was such a fucking beautiful coming-out scene. Because it was full of acceptance and support. And at the same time, it also showed that coming out really isn't a big thing. It showed to beautifully that it doesn't matter who he loves or who he dates.
Buck coming out to the rest of his friends and family was not noteworthy at all among all the events of that day. Because he's found great friends and a great family in LA and all that matters for them is that he is happy with the person he is dating.
So, I would like to ask those people who say that Buck should have gone around and come out to everyone before the wedding because doing it the way he did was stealing his sister's big day (and why only his sisters, anyway? Why not also Chimney's big day?) something: If Buck had brought a new girlfriend, should he have gone around to everyone to inform them about that first? Maddie knew about Tommy, I think Chimney might have known before getting sick. Aren't those the two important people on that day and the only ones who need to know, at least that he was bringing a date?
And also: Should have Hen and Karen gone around to all the guests who don't know them and come out to them? Which includes the Buckley parents. If Josh brought a date, should he have gone to everyone and inform them first about bringing a man as his date? Or to take his one ridiculous step further: Should have Athena and Bobby gone around to everyone who doesn't know them closely to tell them they are an interracial couple? (Because there are people who would still find that scandalous and could have made a scene! No matter that they are currently attending the wedding of another interracial couple.) Why have these couples the right to assume that no one will talk about their relationship when the focus should be on the bride and groom, but Buck and Tommy don't have that right? Just because it's new for Buck? Rally?
(And I'm aware that the people who I'm asking this question probably quit reading this text after the first 100 words or so. They probably didn't get 1.7k words into my essay to get to these questions. And that might just be another problem in this fandom discourse: Certain people are just not open to take the time and energy to openly and honestly deal with opinions that don't agree with their own opinion. Because that could mean having to change their own opinion, right?)
is it weird to feel some kind of guilt for having filthy thoughts about lessi? because she appears to be SO wholesome yet thinking about her being quite the opposite drives me absolutely wild
Oh dear how am I the go to for this with the sewers I swim in 😂
Okay so first no it's not weird to feel that and it's not weird to have those thoughts in the first place both are natural things really.
Also, while Lessi seems super wholesome and a lovely person we don't know what she thinks about either as she isn't able to express it anywhere while she is in this position and the public eye, a role model for kids and all that - so we don't know what's going on in that cutesy blonde head of hers nope 🤭
I think in the end as long as you're not trying to be weird about it, trying to contact her or otherwise have her notice the shit you think about, it's not really harming anyone and there's nothing wrong with sexual feelings or lust or anything else if you're not making it someone elses problem unwillingly.
I need to take a fucking real rest from everything, even college, im too tired for everything gosh
I just wanna lay down and think about my baby boy vex scar, and close my eyes, and maybe fell asleep to see dream about how Scar make everything dying for G, even when Grian doesn't need it bc he's a fucking god of war
so this post is going to be really messy and jumbled, i will take my thoughts one chapter at a time. since this post contains all the chapters in book one imma but everything under the cut and warn ya'll that this is HELLA long.
ok so, before we get into it i just wanna let you guy's know that if the first 13 chapters seem like they have less it's because i only really started to do this on chapter 14 and had to go back through chapters 1 - 13 and look at the notes and tabes i left to gage my reaction to them. some of them have a bit more than others and some have like none at all.
that being said enjoy the absolute crack house that is my no cotext thoughts of Journey to the West volume one!
Chapter 1
monkey is born!!
and he's already being impulsive...
calling him the handsome monkey king is gonna go straight to his head
lier! you are a certified shit disturber and you know it!
ohhhhh so thats how he got the name Sun Wukong, gotcha gotcha
Chapter 2
the dao art seems real complex
love how they casually have the way to immortality written in this book lol
teaching a suicidaly impulsive monkey how to shape shift and fly wasn't a bad idea at all!
he's showing off- of course he is-
aaaaaand he got kicked out for showing off! idiot-
oh damn- thats actually sadder than i thought it would be...
HE CALLS THEM LITTLE ONES!!! CUUUTE!!!!
HOW DARE!?!?!
Chapter 3
holy hell....
op much???
not a monkey scaring a dragon ffs
he is just a menace this entire page! LAMO
GOD DAMN-
THEY WANT HIM OUT SO FUCKING BAD XDDDD
bruh-
ooooooop foreshadowing alert
THATS BULLSHIT!! THEIR EXAGERATING THE HELL OUT OF IT!!!
oh- oh he really fucked up the life and death cycles- damn...
smart!!!!
he was thinking of paying a visit to heaven himself?? without an invite?? oh- that would not have ended well-
Chapter 4
here we go! first rampage through heaven!!
deva
NEZHA!!!!
ITS GIVING "who's this sassy lost kid?" VIBES XD
Chapter 5
does he not have a reputation yet???
Wukong is in so much fucking trouble oh god....
idiot
going to war over wine is a very Wukong thing to do-
Chapter 6
when did Nezha get here?
shapeshifter duels man... they be confusing af
oop he got caught-
Chapter 7
they seem to have forgotten what the meaning of immortal is
oop- he's being refered to as a monster instead of a king by the narrator- thats how you know he's pissed beyond all belief...
OH HES MAD MAD
HOLY FUCK
"i have to go exorcise a demon to defend the throne." pg 193
"he ligit just wrote "sun wukong was here" oh the fucking finger lmao
man... calling the banquet that is just salt in the wound.... really it is...
Chapter 8
sandy's got green skin, red hair, noted
it's pigsy -n-
he flirted with Chang'e..... this bitch
i already can't fucking stand him
Chapter 9
so he does have parents! lets see if they ever pop up again-
WHAT!?!?! WHY!?!!
Chapter 10
i didn't take in a sing thing that this chapter sad.... why is it even here-
Chapter 11
no thoughts head empty, why are we still on this? is there any plot relevance or???
Chapter 12
awwww their cute
good for him, coming from such humble beginnings
wow- ok thats kinda a really great honour to be called brother by the emperor
Chapter 13
lots of scenery! neat!
wft....
oop divine intervention o'clock
abuse???? hello??? what the actual fuck sir???
COWARD!!!
i am going to get so sick of him so quickly....
WUKONG!?!?!?!!!!! YER BACK!!!!!! YEEEEEAHHHHHHHHH
Chapter 14
wukong- bud... YOUR FUCKING FILTHY
yell that your not lying makes you less believable
HE'S NAKED?!?! OFC HE IS
brutal.... nice
ight show off, keep rambling about the shit you can do.
gay? /j but fr- i get that a naked monkey coming to your door may be a cause for concern but there was no reason to disrespect him like that-
he has a son??? when???
gross man- like i get you were trapped under a mountain- but gross
brutal... nice
EXCUSE YOU WHAT?!?! NAH, NAH HE DID NOT
A FEW WORDS?!?! FAM YOU READ HIM FOR A WHOLE PARAGRAPH SHUT YOUR MOUTH
thats not teaching tripitaka- a lecture is NOT teaching
GUAINYIN IS HERE!!! oh... Guanyin is here...
oh... fuck...
why is his name just 'Pilgrim' like i get it but i also don't... idk
oh he's gonna do it out of spite now for being called a bogus immortal by the dragon king
that entire painting is just of two gay lovers putting on shoes and getting immortality for it
well, he actually is really convincing, i can see why Wukong went back after those words...
yeah i'd be taken aback too bud
.......YOU COULD FINISH THE JOURNEY RN.... but he won't, that defeats the entire porpoise of it all
THIS BITCH!!!! I WILL ACTUALLY KILL HIM
HE ONLY STOPPED CAUSE I WAS AFRIAD THE FILLET WOULD BREAK
ON GOD I WILL THROW HANDS WITH A MONK I WILL
HE STARTED UP AGAIN?!??!!? STOP!!!!
OH OH! so you stop when you see how the pain is LITTERALLY TEARING HIS BODY APART! fuck you
HE ACTUALLY TRIED TO KILL HIM!?!?!?!? oh my god- i mean.... jesus.....
yes. its a great idea to go to the south sea and beat up the goddess who did this to you... super smart /s
all thoughts of disobedience and rebellion? no shot
Chapter 15
ah yes, lets start the chapter with Wukong hauling ass to save Tripitaka
Jesus them some powerful eyes
omg SHUT UP
YES YELL AT HIM WUKONG!!!
namby-pamby??
lawless lizard XD
harsh
they talk about him like he's not the son of a dragon king...
OH SHES PISSED AT HIM
so he's called 'third prince Jade dragon' gotcha
he's a fucking idiot
why are you being such a baby all of a sudden??
neat, he got the get out of danger free leaves now
if Rue had been in this part of the journey she would have been pretty interested in that
plot armour be like-
impressive
more divine intervention! oh my god-
so now it's early spring. jesus that means its almost been a year
Chapter 16
i don't know wether to be annoyed or what- were only a page into this chapter
"he may be ugly" BITCH WHAT
yeah... ight... i'd be annoyed with him too
somesones butt hurt that hes oooooold~
everyone is starting to get on my nerves like jesus-
wow the murder plots are real
he askin' for favours like he didn't just beat their asses 500 years ago
he's a little arsonist
LMAO UNO REVERSE BITCH
damn- he's already on shockingly good terms with him
HE SAVED YOU AND YOUR GONING TO PUNISH HIM FOR IT!?!?!
I'M GOING TO THROW HANDS WITH A MONK ISTG
and after all that your response is still murder??? really????
goddman.... he so mad he defiled a corpse- that wasn't very buddhist of you tripitaka
Chapter 17
not tripitaka using wukongs temper against others-
jesus christ man
"thunder god mouth" XDDD best way to describe it 10/10
THE THREATS
XDD the arrogance!! he called the demon "my son" before starting a lecture XDD
he gets annoyed when people call him the BanHorsePlague now, thats so fucking funny to me
he's so real for that though, i'd wanna eat in the middle of a fight too
he is actually a menace to humans goddamn
HE REDUCED THE DEMON TO A BURGER
love how their calling him 'old carcass'
there is a lot of seemingly nice senery in this chapter
how'd they know all of that just by seeing a goddamn meat patty on the side of the road???
this is gonna be a pattern isn't it-
conversations with these two go no where but damn they do be giving me L O R E
he's being so nice now lmao
wft....
ok *fine* she gets a pass but jesus
GRAPHIC
jesus wukong
HA got'em
"don't start trouble again" "i won't" LIES
Chapter 18
oooooh this is the pigsy chapter!!! i can't wait to see some ass be beat!
i- i don't think i like these people...
Wukong really just said don't judge a book by it's cover
why does he always say "your poor monk" it's grinding my gears
"tell me everything!" .... "from ancient times-"
his surmname meant hog....
i can only picture that one manga panel in jjk where Yuta is dragging Yuji along lmao
ancient toilet humour?
"where are you going darling" he says as he returns to his original form
love that wukong is described and then called "virtually a living thunder god"
"i'll follow you to the ends of the earth" (menacingly)
Chapter 19
why do they all have caves?
it is pigsy
damn- Wukong's reading him
are they really throwing celestial law at one another??
he's bragging... really?
ah yes, a summary of the first seven chapters
he really said set your house on fire and follow me
man's really stripped him of all he was worth and then dragged him by the ear... he's like a mom...
HE'S REFERED TO AS IDIOT! oh this just got so much better
lmao both of them going "wine? oh we still drink that"
Wukong admitted to being a light weight XD
pigsy, trying to say a heart felt goodbye, the other two; hurry the fuck up
"you know him and not me? what kind of fuckery is this?"
"he insulted me and the pig?!" "how?" *proceeds to tell tripitaka exactly how he and pigsy were insulted*
Chapter 20
just by the title alone i know imma start to have beef with pigsy
they still call him idiot! YES
it's pigsy getting bullied hours!!!
that- that was a very round about way of calling him a dick Wukong
annnnnd he's boasting again...
huh? flying bricks, talking pots, and dancing tiles... interesting...
this old man has balls
"fix your ugliness" DUUUUUDE
i'm about to highlight each and every time Pigsy is refered to as Idiot! shits too funny!
ahhhhh pigsy's first kill steal!
OH SHIT NVM
dude just ripped off his own skin! what a power move!
jesus-
and we get to the first time tripitaka is truely captured!
"for you culinary pleasure" XDDDD why is that so funny?
this guy's actually quite smart for that
damn...
good wisdom wukong
i love how wukong is so often describes as "the one with the thunder god mouth and hairy face"
he's got a good sense to be this scared of him
monkey-monk?? (why is that so funny to me???)
he just told wukong he was a 'buy one get one free sale'!! AND HE'S THE FREE BIT XDDDDDD
KILL STEAL!!! +1 for butality, pigsy's score is now -99 points!
Wukong actually let him have credit for the kill? goddamn- is that character growth i see?
Chapter 21
no he does not!
Aqua man?????
Really?? *face palms*
why does he insist on calling himself grandpa?
is he about to disapline him like a grandpa too??
Coward
the divine wind of Samādhi? like the Samādhi fire? NEAT!!!
more divine intervention i see
the trend of calling pigsy an idiot continues and i am thriving in this enviornment
can he be any less annoying?
*crybaby beings to play on loop in my head*
idiot
it was the fucking gold star of venus
very humble wukong
lawless ape! XDDD
love that offending the great sage is quite possibly a crime punishable by death now
Chapter 22
its sandy time!!!
wouldn't that be qualifies as an inland sea?!
i don't know how to feel about that entire passage
cloud surfing lessons
he called Wukong his assistant- oh boy if he had heard that...
he can be there in half an hour?! wild...
sandy is aquired
Chapter 23
still love that his nickname is practically idiot
please- stop refering to your staff as a rod- i can't take reading "you'll get a ___ from this Huge Rod!" anymore T-T
you fucking idiots- your banter has now left the master stranded and he's gonna get captured by demons!
serves you right
Wu kong being so shocked he actually acted poliet?
Unreal and nonexisting- well those are some red falgs if i've ever seen em in this book
SHIT JUST GOT SO MUCH FUNNIER OMFG
she just keeps going!? dude- please- how can someone have so much
omg- this is all a test of character isn't it...
tripitaka; wukong you stay! Wukong; the fuck you mean me!? make pigsy stay
the entier latter half of this page pisses me off. fuck you pigsy
OH EW! SEVEAR ICK- GROSS
I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU GREEDY WHORE
I KNEW IT WAS A TEST OF CHARACTER!!!!!! I WAS RIGHT!!!!
Chapter 24
serves him fucking right
i agree with Wukong, leave the pig and go
holy hell they haven't even covered one tenth of the distance yet?
this is the chapter that that one monkey king animated movie was about.
to cowardly to do it himself so he's gotta wait for Wukong lmao
thus begins an entire two-ish pages of Wukong stealing fruit again
Wukong makes me nevious frfr
if it were so embarissing maybe you shouldn't have done it in the first place
Chapter 25
wukong.... buddy.... no.....
good plan boy's
dude can pick (break?) locks.... good to know
why do you fight first and ask questions later....
he escaped thrice, got catpured thrice, kept playing tricks..... dude just wouldn't fucking stop....
All this season showed was that The Mandalorian is was show held together by the chemistry, heartwarmingness and cuteness of Din and Baby Yoda
It started off as a heartwarming space western that happened take place in the world of Star Wars which made it unique. Take away Din and Grogu for most of the season and it takes away what made it special compared to the Star Wars shows
I guarantee that the majority of the audience did NOT watch bc they were actually interested in the Mando universe 💀
