anyway who remembers when zeus told percy that he did well retrieving the master bolt and few heroes could have accomplished as much. man those were the days
Yes! And it's also important to notice, as a reward for returning the bolt, he allows Percy to live, despite the fact that this means the great prophecy might come to fruition.
And he sticks by his words! He never plots or attempts to kill Percy after. The only punishment Percy gets for being a forbidden child is not being allowed to travel through Zeus' domain, and Zeus doesn't take advantage of this to kill Percy when he's flying on his pegasus, or on Apollo and Artemis' chariots in ttc. He established a rule and he followed it.
Then, in TTC, he's not the one who brings up the idea of killing Percy (and Thalia). Athena is the one who mentions the possibility, and when Ares argues that they should kill them and Poseidon goes to defend Percy, Zeus agrees with him, saying that they won't kill Thalia either. He doesn't say "Thalia should get to live but fuck Poseidon's kid". Bc he had already agreed not to kill Percy, and he also wasn't going to be an hypocrite!
I would also like to point out that he listens to what Percy has to say about not being like the titans and sparing Bessie's life even if keeping he alive represents a risk. Percy's words make him think of Thalia, and he takes them into consideration bc he himself is not willing to kill his daughter to prevent the prophecy, even if she represents a risk.
He wasn't willing to kill Thalia when she was born, he tried his best to help her reach camp and get to safety, he mourned her death and now that she's about to turn 16, he's still willing to take the risk and let her live. Despite his scowl at the idea of trusting a hero, his actions show that he's willing to trust Thalia. His reaction to her choosing the hunt even imply he wanted her to be the child of the prophecy, bc he trusted her with the choice.
Then, bc he's not a tyrant, he can't stop the council of voting on whether or not to kill Percy and the ophiotaurus, but he doesn't vote in favor. He agrees to let Percy and Bessie live! And then he throws a party!
HE USED TO HAVE SOME NUANCE AND SOME HONOUR and he used to be a just king! Pjo Zeus, I can't believe I'm going to go to war by your side but at this point! Get behind me!
I can't stand what Rick has been doing to this guy since hoo. All of this, and he's not even going to write them overthrowing him. Honestly, what's the point?
We need Hades being a frightening, mysterious and intimidating man to onlookers while he was with the di Angelos
Like yeah we're pretty sure Maria married the devil.
'Oh that's just my husband, dont mind his unblinking, wide eyed stare as he stands in dark corners silently. He just doesnt like crowds or the light or the living' — Maria at some point.
It is important to me that while he is gentle with all the di Angelos, it does not change what he looks like to others at all.
He is STILL unnerving and creepy, people think the di Angelos are just desensitized to him.
5yr old Nico will run up to this fucking wraith of a man and happily be lifted up and held by him. Maria keeps calling him her handsome sweetheart. Bianca sits on his lap and plays with his rings.
clarisse and percy's relationship is never not going to be funny to me because like they act like they hate each other and they patronize one another and clarisse once tried to kill percy and percy almost stranded clarisse in a Cyclops lair when they were in middle school but also. they know one another's deepest darkest secrets and probably call to share gossip at 1am because they Can. while insulting each other every other sentence mind you.
they have the type of relationship where if sherman called percy an idiot clarisse would put sherman on toilet duty and tell him to be more respectful. then she would tell percy to go soak his head and that she hopes he gets eaten by a hellhound over the school year. does this make sense
I know in english it might not mean print as in with a printer but percy talking about wanting recognition for his quest and then poseidon using a whole arse envelope to print that vague shite in arial 12 is hilarious to me
do you think nico ever found out the reason that pushed percy to accept the prophecy and all that came with it was actually him and wanting to keep him safe. does he know percy decided to right after he just saw thalia avoid the prophecy and pass it down to percy. do you think it made him realize that percy maybe cares about him way more than he initially thought.
Can I ask what ancient Greek weddings used to look like ?
Oh boy that is a really wide question but I expect that we speak on the ceremony, correct? Well it really depends sometimes but here are some factors we see that happened in for example Athenean ceremonies.
A wedding was first and foremost a public event. The newlyweds were supposed to be accepted as married by their community (and of course a legitimate wedding would be to occur between two free people especially in Athens where birthright was everything for someone to be a citizen of Athens. Hence also close kin marriages were common especially on upper class such as cousins or even half-siblings at some cases)
I believe marriages took place mostly in winter because they associated a wedding ceremony with the months associated with Hera and her own heavenly marriage to Zeus (both gods associated with marriage and the household)
Usually the marriage had three stages Προαύλια (Proaulia) which means "Announcement before" or "ceremony of before", Γάμος (Gamos) the actual "wedding" and Επαύλια (Epaulia) the "post ceremony" procedure.
The first stage we hear not only from documents of the time but also from ancient Greek plays such as "Iphigenia in Aulis" or even mentions of ancient poems and mentions. Essentially is the offering of sacrifices to the gods by the bride's family, her father usually or her legal guardian (see for instance how Agamemnon has to prepare the supposed sacrifice for the gods before his daughter's alleged marriage).
The sacrifice usually involved the known virgin goddesses such as Athena who is also symbolizing the training of the girl to the arts of marriage and Artemis who protects young girls and adolescents and allows their passage from girlhood to womanhood.
During that stage the bride herself prepares herself for her wedding and it is believed that a ceremonial haircut was given to the bride. The bride also offers her belt to the goddess Artemis or Athena or daresay both. That belt or "girdle" is a piece that she wears since adolescence but now removing it and offering it to the goddess signifies her entrance to womanhood and her marriage.
A ceremonial bath is also given to her with a special vessel. That vessel that we know as λουτροφόρος (loutrophoros) is an elongated vessel with two handles that carries the water for the bride's bath. The vessel is often richly decorated with of course marriage thematic:
(we find vessels like this in funerary contexts too, possibly to signify a woman that never married when she died. This practice that an unmarried girl is buried as if she is prepared for marriage is shown to us in the most tragic and raw way with Hecuba in Euripides's play that tries to bury her daughter and treats her almost as a bride going for marriage instead. You can see my other post here)
After the ceremony itself there is also a feast to the father's house to initiate the official and more public parts of the wedding. The veiled bride and the groom and the witness of the groom who I believe is a friend or family member are being guided to the home that the bride and groom will reside. The bride is accompanied with torches by her mother and/or mother-in-law. This again is mentioned by Euripides in his tragedies. The custom is being commented by Clytemnestra who wants to accompany her daughter for her wedding and the mad reaction of Cassandra who arrives at the scene after being announced she is to be given to Agamemnon and holds lit torches which she "encourages" her mother to hold high for her wedding.
The couple is showered with nuts or other dried fruit for fertility and prosperity wishes
(practice still done in Greece today by the way just with a light alteration. In Greece the couple is showered with rice upon exiting the church so that the marriage will "grow roots" as there is a word game between the greek word for "rice" ρύζι -rizi- and the verb "grow roots" ριζώνω -rizono-)
A child that has both parents living seems to be distributing some type of bread to the guests, wearing a wreath. For prosperity and bringing good luck wishes for the couple to have children among others
(once again this practice seems to survive in modern day Greece with the distribution of small candy called κουφέτα -koufeta-, wrapped up in tule that resembles the bride's veil. Usually this candy is being distributed by an unmarried girl or young woman of the family, who is also receiving wishes for her own wedding as people receive candy from her)
The wedding is of course finished with the couple being led to their bed with hymns being chanted by people around
(once again similarly to wedding songs we sing even to this day after weddings and the feast that follows the christian ceremony )
The next day is usually dedicated to the gifts for the couple by the relatives. It could be anything from items useful at home for the new household or cosmetics and jewelry.
By n large wedding ceremonies are linked to the passage from one stage to another especially for women; for instance from girlhood to adulthood. Women were to leave the care of their guardian and dedicate themselves to their new household.
The stages are essentially passages from one state to another. Of course the ceremony itself is dedicated to the prospect of having legitimate and healthy children for the sake of the community (especially for Athens the aspect of community came first before the actual private life or rather that the private life was linked to the public life seamlessly)
And of course honoring the gods in the process
I hope this helps a bit. I am sure there is much more to unwravel here or talk about or add but this is a first idea of things that I read in books here and there on the matter. Certainly I wanna know more in the future!
From my list of ten things from the Odyssey. This is #4: Odysseus' raft from Ogygia (Calypso's island) to Phaeacia/Faiakia. Btw, this boat is supposed to be rowed by at LEAST 6 people, and Odysseus did it himself.
I put this on my list before the trailer for Nolan's movie came out, but I'm definitely sliding on him with this one, the movie was horrible. I'm not gonna claim that the boat I drew is perfectly accurate, but it's 10x better than what I've been seeing.
Anyway, this is just a comparison of the media version vs book version of Odysseus' "raft." I'm guessing it's a translation thing, since Homer uses σχεδίη (skhedíē), which literally means raft, but he then goes on to describe a massive vessel made of 20 whole trees.
I spent several hours looking at reconstructions of the boat and their evidence for what they built, as well as finding a more easy-to-read (but still not dumbed-down and modernized) version of the boat's description. I read the Samuel Butler translation, and it was a real pain trying to piece together descriptions from something written in 1898.
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