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I wonder if I sound too nasty when i type cause I try not to but I type like I talk and that is very crass.
Ah. Right. You can't block from side blogs on mobile. I'll have to do it later.
I have an STD
Hey guys remember how exclus used to write callouts ace ppl for making flippant comments abt STDs
Yes because they were shaming gay people for having aids I remember but now you’re shaming me for having blue waffle which is not cool and sounds kind of demiphobic to me because I knew them before they gave me blue waffle.
Cool, so if a person said something that trivialized STDs or talked abt them in a flippant way, or like, made up an std or something like that to string ppl along for their own entertainment, would u consider that morally wrong?
Bc STDs aren't a funny thing to joke abt, right?
📹👩🏾💻
i just think blue waffle is way more serious but youre mocking it and that’s just not right
If you don’t understand me please search up blue waffle it’s a very serious condition and not many people are aware of the severity of it
Do NOT search it up.
Blue waffle is a fictional STD claiming to turn vaginas blue and was created as a prank meant to trick people into viewing pictures of genitals and in some cases, graphic sexual imagery. It doesn't exist, OP is just trying to trick you into exposing yourself to those things.
Additionally, it's considered a misogynistic hoax considering the primary causes listed almost entirely mention women specifically having multiple sex partners, too much sex, and or unprotected sex.
@animefacialrecognitionsoftware01 Hope I'm not too late saying this but as far as I know, you're a minor so don't look it up please.
@your-posts-are-schist I think you had a few followers so could you help spread this?
Im a minor do you think I’m grooming them by making a reference to an infamous meme from the 2010’s
Never said you were grooming anyone. Though you purposely trying to trick people into seeing genitalia and possible sexual imagery by using a misogynistic and sex negative hoax... that's not a good look pal.
I’m sex negative but so are you because you’re asexual. So we are the same in that way really i feel ally ship with you
No? I'm sex positive since I support other peoples agency and choices in that regard. I'm only asexual because I don't find any gender attractive.
Do you even understand the words you're using?
Did you just tag that genital mention
It's gonna blow your mind when I tell you that severe dysphoria can sometimes be triggered by such a small thing as mention of that so I try to be considerate of my followers in case they are like me and run that risk.
Can you tag this #long post and block the blog “myluvfeelsallwrong” volcel
Sure, you could have just asked me to block you the first time and saved yourself the trouble. Also, no cool person uses volcel. It's dumb as all shit. It's got them ridiculous "Ooooh you're choosing to not do something I think you should so I'm gonna mock and insult you for exercising your right to say no!!!" incel/r*pey vibes all over it so ya might not wanna use it.
I have an STD
Hey guys remember how exclus used to write callouts ace ppl for making flippant comments abt STDs
Yes because they were shaming gay people for having aids I remember but now you’re shaming me for having blue waffle which is not cool and sounds kind of demiphobic to me because I knew them before they gave me blue waffle.
Cool, so if a person said something that trivialized STDs or talked abt them in a flippant way, or like, made up an std or something like that to string ppl along for their own entertainment, would u consider that morally wrong?
Bc STDs aren't a funny thing to joke abt, right?
📹👩🏾💻
i just think blue waffle is way more serious but youre mocking it and that’s just not right
If you don’t understand me please search up blue waffle it’s a very serious condition and not many people are aware of the severity of it
Do NOT search it up.
Blue waffle is a fictional STD claiming to turn vaginas blue and was created as a prank meant to trick people into viewing pictures of genitals and in some cases, graphic sexual imagery. It doesn't exist, OP is just trying to trick you into exposing yourself to those things.
Additionally, it's considered a misogynistic hoax considering the primary causes listed almost entirely mention women specifically having multiple sex partners, too much sex, and or unprotected sex.
@animefacialrecognitionsoftware01 Hope I'm not too late saying this but as far as I know, you're a minor so don't look it up please.
@your-posts-are-schist I think you had a few followers so could you help spread this?
Im a minor do you think I’m grooming them by making a reference to an infamous meme from the 2010’s
Never said you were grooming anyone. Though you purposely trying to trick people into seeing genitalia and possible sexual imagery by using a misogynistic and sex negative hoax... that's not a good look pal.
I’m sex negative but so are you because you’re asexual. So we are the same in that way really i feel ally ship with you
No? I'm sex positive since I support other peoples agency and choices in that regard. I'm only asexual because I don't find any gender attractive.
Do you even understand the words you're using?
Did you just tag that genital mention
It's gonna blow your mind when I tell you that severe dysphoria can sometimes be triggered by such a small thing as mention of that so I try to be considerate of my followers in case they are like me and run that risk.
I have an STD
Hey guys remember how exclus used to write callouts ace ppl for making flippant comments abt STDs
Yes because they were shaming gay people for having aids I remember but now you’re shaming me for having blue waffle which is not cool and sounds kind of demiphobic to me because I knew them before they gave me blue waffle.
Cool, so if a person said something that trivialized STDs or talked abt them in a flippant way, or like, made up an std or something like that to string ppl along for their own entertainment, would u consider that morally wrong?
Bc STDs aren't a funny thing to joke abt, right?
📹👩🏾💻
i just think blue waffle is way more serious but youre mocking it and that’s just not right
If you don’t understand me please search up blue waffle it’s a very serious condition and not many people are aware of the severity of it
Do NOT search it up.
Blue waffle is a fictional STD claiming to turn vaginas blue and was created as a prank meant to trick people into viewing pictures of genitals and in some cases, graphic sexual imagery. It doesn't exist, OP is just trying to trick you into exposing yourself to those things.
Additionally, it's considered a misogynistic hoax considering the primary causes listed almost entirely mention women specifically having multiple sex partners, too much sex, and or unprotected sex.
@animefacialrecognitionsoftware01 Hope I'm not too late saying this but as far as I know, you're a minor so don't look it up please.
@your-posts-are-schist I think you had a few followers so could you help spread this?
Im a minor do you think I’m grooming them by making a reference to an infamous meme from the 2010’s
Never said you were grooming anyone. Though you purposely trying to trick people into seeing genitalia and possible sexual imagery by using a misogynistic and sex negative hoax... that's not a good look pal.
I’m sex negative but so are you because you’re asexual. So we are the same in that way really i feel ally ship with you
No? I'm sex positive since I support other peoples agency and choices in that regard. I'm only asexual because I don't find any gender attractive.
Do you even understand the words you're using?
I have an STD
Hey guys remember how exclus used to write callouts ace ppl for making flippant comments abt STDs
Yes because they were shaming gay people for having aids I remember but now you’re shaming me for having blue waffle which is not cool and sounds kind of demiphobic to me because I knew them before they gave me blue waffle.
Cool, so if a person said something that trivialized STDs or talked abt them in a flippant way, or like, made up an std or something like that to string ppl along for their own entertainment, would u consider that morally wrong?
Bc STDs aren't a funny thing to joke abt, right?
📹👩🏾💻
i just think blue waffle is way more serious but youre mocking it and that’s just not right
If you don’t understand me please search up blue waffle it’s a very serious condition and not many people are aware of the severity of it
Do NOT search it up.
Blue waffle is a fictional STD claiming to turn vaginas blue and was created as a prank meant to trick people into viewing pictures of genitals and in some cases, graphic sexual imagery. It doesn't exist, OP is just trying to trick you into exposing yourself to those things.
Additionally, it's considered a misogynistic hoax considering the primary causes listed almost entirely mention women specifically having multiple sex partners, too much sex, and or unprotected sex.
@animefacialrecognitionsoftware01 Hope I'm not too late saying this but as far as I know, you're a minor so don't look it up please.
@your-posts-are-schist I think you had a few followers so could you help spread this?
Im a minor do you think I’m grooming them by making a reference to an infamous meme from the 2010’s
Never said you were grooming anyone. Though you purposely trying to trick people into seeing genitalia and possible sexual imagery by using a misogynistic and sex negative hoax... that's not a good look pal.
I have an STD
Hey guys remember how exclus used to write callouts ace ppl for making flippant comments abt STDs
Yes because they were shaming gay people for having aids I remember but now you’re shaming me for having blue waffle which is not cool and sounds kind of demiphobic to me because I knew them before they gave me blue waffle.
Cool, so if a person said something that trivialized STDs or talked abt them in a flippant way, or like, made up an std or something like that to string ppl along for their own entertainment, would u consider that morally wrong?
Bc STDs aren't a funny thing to joke abt, right?
📹👩🏾💻
i just think blue waffle is way more serious but youre mocking it and that’s just not right
If you don’t understand me please search up blue waffle it’s a very serious condition and not many people are aware of the severity of it
Do NOT search it up.
Blue waffle is a fictional STD claiming to turn vaginas blue and was created as a prank meant to trick people into viewing pictures of genitals and in some cases, graphic sexual imagery. It doesn't exist, OP is just trying to trick you into exposing yourself to those things.
Additionally, it's considered a misogynistic hoax considering the primary causes listed almost entirely mention women specifically having multiple sex partners, too much sex, and or unprotected sex.
@animefacialrecognitionsoftware01 Hope I'm not too late saying this but as far as I know, you're a minor so don't look it up please.
@your-posts-are-schist I think you had a few followers so could you help spread this?
Its fun to see exclus pretend to have morals and utilize social justice issues like a fuckin cudgel
Ppl literally have no shame in their ableism huh
We need to maybe rethink the whole "reclaiming slurs" thing when it comes white NDs who enjoy hurting other ppl
He really got mad about a goose picture with an ace flag? The goose was a symbol for violent revolution? Why are white people like this.
There's a pic of Untitled Goose with a knife that says "peace was never an option" and idk where it started from hut I vaguely remember it becoming a semi-popular anti-facist meme sot that's probably what OP of that post meant?
I guess OP thinks the same could be said about gay/bi/trans communities on tumblr too since "being cis/het was never an option" memes were also a thing? Everybody loved that goose.
aces/aros who say shit like "eww sex and romance gross" vs aces/aros who have sex/have romantic relationships fight
Why would we fight when aros/aces voicing their own opinions on sex and romance in genreral or in regards to themselves doesn't inherently mean they hate those of us who have sex or are romantic? Or that they aren't capable of applying nuance like "though I find sex/romance gross and like to joke about it, I'm not actively going to target and harass people who like those things because I'm not sex negative."?
Like, just cause exclus aren't capable of being sex positive and respecting personal choice doesn't mean we're not.
[Text ID: I contend that the amount of asexual people is negligible. Nature wouldn’t allow them to abound. They’re genetic dead ends /End ID]
Exclusie post of the week!
This reminds me so much of some disgusting shit I've heard about gay, lesbian, and trans folks, other autistic and ND folks, fat people, and so much more like what the fuck.
Inclusionists are so damn useless that they prefer overwhelmed the tag with stupid pictures because they know they can't refute none of our arguments lol
Mad bc ur stupid turbey virgey jokeys are getting swallowed up by pretty pictures of forests and birds huh
GOOOOOOOD
Ah yes because exclusionists totally arent just a bunch of bullies and insecure ppl who take out their frustrations via being bigoted and negative for jokes. Not everyone owes you an argument or their energy you fucking clown.
Last I check the reason we flood the discourse tags with pretty pictures is cause its better than takes like, "asexuality/aromanticism is inherently abusive" or "if asexuals choose to exercise their sexual agency in any way I dislike they're being r*ped/are r*pists" or "asexuality/aces are inherently p*dophilic" or "aces derserve to be/I want them put in/will put them in concentration camps/gassed to death/beaten/r*ped/murdered/ect." or "ace r*pe victims are liars but I support r*pe victims even tho I just enforced rape culture by calling the victim untrustworthy and unable to accurately report or understand their assault" or other horrific takes that can harm aspec folks involved in discourse or who try to harm their mental health by scrolling through such things? Like. It has nothing to do with being unable to refute y'all. That's easy. Its about the safety and health of aspecs.
In light of aro/ace discourse
(Stolen from @energygelato)
Exclus have managed to keep making the same fucking joke for the last 5 years
exclus can you please be original for once ❤ or rot im fine with both
Okay, being aroace doesn't make you inherently LGBT ♡
It does actually. Anyone who is not cis or het and is harmed by cisheteronormativity is welcome in the community formed to fight against it. 💕💕
not having sex or dating people isnt oppression. You're not beat up or killed almost every day for not being attracted to people. You may get made fun of, but it's nothing compared to what happens to LGBT people.
Imagine thinking being anything but similar gender attracted or identifying out of your AGAB makes you lgbt
We don't have to imagine it since the real world recognizes that non-cis non het people are all LGBT+. Especially every community elder I know and have met. Schist is also someone I've seen mention interacting with older LGBT+ people on a regular basis so they probably know better than a 14yo who doesn't seem to understand the difference between attraction and personal choice/agency or what asexuality is.
And as someone who was harmed more than just "being made fun of" for my asexuality and my aromanticism, I strongly disagree with op. Though my abuse is personal so I'd rather not talk about it publicly on a tumblr post and especially when op is 14 because its pretty gross. I will at least point out that this actively ignores how a large percentage of aces face sexual violence because of their asexuality and that aphobia actively harms "acceptably LGBT" people too in way that even enforce homophobia and transphobia. Obvious discrimination that actively hurts a non cis, non het orientation is plenty reason for said orientation to be included in the community founded to fight the axis of oppression that encourages their discrimination.
Also lets address op's use of a word that has strong roots in misogyny and also enforces both toxic masculinity and rape culture while we're at it and that they're using it as an insult in the same way conservatives and other bigots do.
hoo boy
NUS voted on the same day to exclude gay men while including all aces
“ace discourse is an insular problem” my ass
Any last shred of attachment I felt within the ace community has now evaporated forever
Someone help me out here, I’m honestly not seeing how the two are directly related beyond both being resolutions made by NUS??? Or, like…how this is a sign that the ace community is somehow bad???
both of these kinds of politics are both extremely common in mogai circles. additionally the “inclusion” of cishets in the lgbt coalition and safe spaces is entirely due to the ahistoric AVEN politics created by david jay popular in the ace community and mogai circles
Okay, I think I understand where people are coming from there then. That being said though, is it really a bad thing having a reserved ace rep on this committee? Like, obviously the resolution regarding gay men is total bullshit and the logic is rather flawed (like, sure, cis white gay men have it the easiest within the community, but they still face discrimination just like anyone else in the community when in society at large, and face issues exclusive to them that need to be considered and addressed), and it does point out an issue with the advocacy method here, but the same thing can be said for just about any advocacy movement, and that shouldn’t be grounds to vilify the group the movement is advocating for.
Like, yes, this is pretty problematic. The ace community as a whole, however, shouldn’t be demonized for it. Especially when they’re so delegitimized by everyone, including everyone else in the LGBT community. Not to mention the fact that the logic also sounds a lot like the kind of radical feminism that runs rampant, and the kind of radical feminism that often gets labeled “Tumblr feminism”.
i mean, the reason why so many LGBT people have a problem with the ace community is because of the rampant homophobia and transphobia, which is caused by the community being dominated by cishet aces/aros (straight people) so this really is reflective of the current state of the ace community. many gay/bi/trans aces are even starting to denounce the ace community because they’re starting to realize it’s just full of a bunch of straight people who feel entitled to LGBT safe spaces
I…guess I can see that? I mean, I personally would hesitate to call cis aces/aros “straight” just because they’re still not fully cishet, though I suppose on some level I can see why one might label them as straight if they would otherwise be straight. And, following that logic, I guess I can understand the issue. But I guess it still kinda bothers me because, at least in my mind, it becomes a statement like, “They’re basically straight so they don’t belong in LGBT spaces,” which is similar to rhetoric used to exclude bisexuals from LGBT spaces, especially when they’re in het (or just het-passing) relationships, and that bugs me because both bisexuals and asexuals have legitimate rights to be included in LGBT spaces.
I don’t know. I mean, the friends I have who are ace/aro aren’t like this and don’t talk about this sort of thing (either because they don’t see it happening or else I’m just not paying attention), so I haven’t been exposed to it, which is why I was having trouble understanding it. Thank you for explaining it to me. I can’t say I 100% agree with it, but I definitely understand the logic.
“straight” means being -only- attracted to the opposite binary gender, it doesn’t have to include both sexual and romantic attraction.
i’m not saying that asexuals shouldn’t create their own spaces, but the LGBT(Q) community is for people who are same-gender attracted and/or non-cis. cishet aces/aros are neither of those things so they literally don’t belong in LGBT spaces lol. obviously the whole “basically straight” rhetoric is different when it’s aimed at bi people because that’s bi erasure and bisexuals are still same-gender attracted even when they’re in het relationships.
hmmm you don’t have to thank me i’m not claiming to be an expert on this, but i know that there’s tons of problems with how the ace community and the LGBT community interact with each other
…okay, yeah, that’s fair. In my mind I still see there being a difference, but now that I think about it that difference is kinda menial.
I just get really defensive whenever that kind of rhetoric is used because I am bisexual and it’s really aggravating to hear it over and over again, so I tend to just decry it whenever I hear it, but yeah, it does apply differently between them.
I’m just thanking you because I’ve really never thought about this too much (I tend to form opinions on these things as they’re brought up, and this is the first time it’s been brought up to me) and I appreciate having someone who at least knows what they’re talking about and can help me iron out my thinking. This has definitely been a fruitful discussion for me. :]
Actually most of what the other person says here is pulled outta their ass.
1) There is nothing in "MOGAI politics" about kicking gay men out of the community. The only thing I can think of this coming from off the top of my head is the arguement that we're dismissing gay people's problem because we say that we have similar experiences?? Or that MOGAI hates gay people which only sprung up after it was suggested as an alternative that didn't put any letter ahead of the others?? MOGAI inherently includes gay men after all since it means "Marginalized Orientations, Gender Alignments, and Intersex".
2) The argument to include "cishet" asexuals and aromantics is because they are specifically targeted and discriminated against for their asexuality and aromanticism, which is not het. They're not allowed to speak over other LGBT+ people about their experiences or orientations. It's also not ahistorical to say we've always been included because we've been part of the bi community for most of our history, even cishet aces from my recent experience. (Also cishet is a trans term refering to people who benefit fully from cisheteronormativity, which "cishet" aces and aros do not by virtue of being ace/aro.)
3) The "rampant homophobia and transphobia" is a problem that's just as bad in all the other communities. That's no excuse to ignore it in aspec communities, it just pisses me off as a trans person that they use this against us when I could say the same thing about them. We all need to unlearn this shit and you can't hold it against one community just because you don't want them in a community they've been part of.
4) i've seen more LGBT+ aspecs denounce exclusionary ideals because exclusionists also target them and have routinely mistreated and denied the experiences of LGBT+ aspecs. This is most likely a false claim just because some aspecs agree with exclus.
5) They're right about the use of straight, since straight trans people are still LGBT+ despite being straight. They just have their own struggles cause by their trans identity. The same can be said for straight aces and aros and is why that alone is no reason to kick out aces and aros.
6) The LGBT+ community was not founded to fight homophobia and transphobia. It was founded to fight cisheteronormativity, which is very different. Additionally that only applies to the community we have now. Trans and bi people were excluded from the community for a long time and had to fight for their places like aspecs are heing forced to now. We all have a similar goal, taking down cisheteronormativity.
7) The "basically straight" argument is still fucked up when directed at cishet aces because it's sole purpose is to deny we can be harmed for our asexuality or aromanticism at all. It's used to tell rape victims who were attacked as a direct result of coming out that they are wrong or their testimonies about being attacked aren't valid because they're also straight or to dismiss ace/aro people talking about how we've been mistreated by medical professionals. Even if you think they are "basically straight" that doesn't mean their experiences are because asexuality and aromanticism still affects their lives in ways het people don't have to deal with. It erases the harm done to people for being aspec.
8) As they said, they're not an expert. As an activist in aspec circles an withing my local community, I can guarantee that the mahority of their arguements are things that exclusionists twisted and spat back out against aspecs.
So.... We have a twitter. I'll follow back 💅
Idk seems pretty sus to bring ace discourse into Among Us.
The amount of allosexual people trying to convince me that calling them allo is oppressing them or attacking them is honestly so saddeningly hilarious. Like I’m alloromantic (because I experience romantic attraction) I am however, asexual. Those that are not on the ace spectrum are allosexual. It’s not a slur you just have the same mentality of cis people who say “don’t call me Cis, I’m just normal”
I feel like I've read this exact post before ._. you're right allo ain't a bad word tho
You're right it is ridiculous to call it a slur. It's definitely not an offensive word in itself. However there are lots of contexts where it's not really acceptable to point out how much sexual attraction someone experiences.
I know you are yourself not a fan of the idea of an ace spectrum, but for as long as that is what people mean by it, it really is making commentary on the way and frequency someone experiences attraction and it's a bit of a weird thing to say to someone if you dont know them that well.
I have a problem with saying that not being under the ace/aro umbrella makes you allo. What does that mean? If you sometimes have days where you aren’t attracted to your partner but 75% of the time you are, are you allo or not? 80% of the time? 90% of the time?
There is SUCH a spectrum of experience that there cannot be a line drawn between allo and “the ace/aro spectrum.” Instead it should be, if you’re not 100% ace/aro then that makes you allo. Because that’s the only thing that can really be given a definite line.
But even then... the definition of sexual/romantic attraction is such a mess on here. You can want and desire sex with another person and enjoy it fully and still be asexual somehow. You can want to kiss and hold hands and take someone on a date and move in with them and not have romantic attraction somehow.
I think the obsession with definitions and allo vs ace/aro is unproductive. Not to mention that it leaves out people who are 100% allo but need access to ace/aro resources.
1) The aspec generally refers to a persistent, notable lack of attraction to gender or in general. For example, a demisexual person does not find any gender attractive, but may find other things about a person attractive after forming a bond with them. An asexual would not feel any attraction to any gender or in general (not including the SAM atm but will shortly).* Every aspec identity I know of follows the rule of "does not feel attraction to gender", which is really all that makes it an orientation. But this lack of attraction varies and other attractions are not rendered null or void because we lack attraction to any gender. The aspec exists to explain the varied experiences aspecs have due to lacking any attraction to any gender.
Basically if you feel attraction towards 1 or more genders then you are allo.
2) The definitions of sexual/romantic attraction aren't a mess at all. The reason it seems so is because exclusionists and other aphobes have blantantly twisted the explainations people tried to give for what they were. Besides, they were asking people who didn't even experience it. I've spoken about what sexual attraction is before but I will explain again here.
Sexual attraction has multiple definitions but can be separated into 3 specific ones.(You can simply swap sexual with romantic for romantic attraction.)
-attraction to gender.
-what one finds arrtactive in a (hypothetical) sexual scenerio.
-attraction to gender in a (hypothetical) sexual scenerio.
The 1st would be without using the SAM, and is generally when your attractions all line up in every way. Basically, when your attraction is oriented in the same towards gender.
The 2nd is for general attractions in a sexual situation. Things like kink/fetish, paraphilia, orientations, ect. all fall under this in regards to sex and sexual preference.
The 3rd is how one might define orientation when it is different in different ways. So an asexual lesbian would be attracted to women in a romantic way, but not feel the same attraction towards women in a sexual way.
This isn't really anymore inappropriate than just sayin you are gay or bi or het or asexual without using the SAM because none of these give explicit details about one's sex life. Ex: Saying you are het only still has the implication that one has sexual attractions towards their opposite binary gender, yet you don't know if someone actively is sexually active or sex repulsed just because they say they are heterosexual. All you know is that they feel attraction towards their opposite binary gender in every way (including sexual).
3) You didn't mention anything about this but I want to bring it up. The way people tie attraction as the sole factor in determining one's ability to like or consent to sex is inherently sex negative and enforcing rape culture. You cannot claim that sex is an extremely nuanced action influenced by many factors and that we should respect people's choices and agency and then claim that, because people lack (sexual) attraction to any gender, they cannot have, enjoy, or consent to sex and it's fine to strip them of their agency. This implies attraction is the deciding factor in consent, and implying that we cannot consent because we lack it also implies the opposite for allos; that feeling attraction to x gender means they automatically consent to sex. This inherently enforces rape culture ideology by enforcing the idea of "they found their attacker attractive so of course they wanted it".
4) As I said above, if you can understand that sex and romance are nuanced actions whose participation in is influenced by multiple factors (including, but not limited to attraction), then you can understand why some asexuals would be okay with having sex and why some aromantics would be ok with dating/kissing/holding hands. Our decisions to have sex or be romantically involved are influenced by everything besides attraction to gender.
5) I disagree with your final argument. It is very productive to have allo as a term especially when talking about aspec people's treatment within other communities and how, while not having cishet privilege, there is a sort of privilege(for lack of a better term) within individual communities that allo LGBT+ people have over aspec LGBT+ people.
For example, a gay man wouldn't rape another allo mlm for having sexual attraction to men, but one may do so to an ace mlm (an experience I heard of from my ex's current BF btw. Since I bet you'd call me a homophobe if I didn't specify.). An allo lesbian wouldn't be told she's a "predatory lesbian" stereotype by other lesbians for having romantic attraction to women, un like an aro lesbian might be or be told she's "not a real lesbian" because she's not sexually attraced to women like an ace lesbian may be.
*Asexuality is a very broad term to begin with as it has many functions. It is an umbrella term, an individual term, and a term under the split attraction model. One should probably figure out which way asexuality is being used before making arguments against it or clarify how they are using it to avoid confusion.
Don't mind the numbering! I did that for my own sake since it helps me focus when I answer.
Pride Night Wyvern edits! So far I've done ace, aro, enby, and bi pride edits! I will link everything together as I add edits!
man inclus wanna lump lgbt people who happen to not be ace in with their oppressors with the “allosexual” bullshit but when someone puts ‘allo’ in their url ironically to clown on that whole mindset, WE’RE the embarrassing ones?
Yes
Oh yes. You’re as embarassing as cis people putting “cis” in their bios. Allosexual os not a bad word or a slur or insult or something you can “reclaim” it’s just a word that means “feels attraction/sexual attraction (to at least 1 gender or in general” or even more simplified, “not asexual or on the asexual spectrum”. You sound like cis people who don’t like being called cis and throw fits over it so of course people are gonna laugh at you. You deserve to be laughed at for it.
And btw, “cis” groups LGB people in with their oppressors too. Do you also hate the term vis because it groups you with straight cis people?
not trying to “reclaim” it lol, just clowning on the idea that “allosexuals” are an oppressive/privileged group. isn’t that why cis or straight or white ppl putting those things in their urls is annoying and embarrassing? because they’re being tone-deaf to the fact that they’re a privileged and oppressive group?
it follows that the only reason it would be embarrassing to proudly call yourself allo is if being allo actually automatically made you more privileged than otherwise. and if you really believe that it DOES, read this.
also i’m not cis, but if i was, the term cis still wouldn’t lump me in with straight people because it’s not making any comment on my sexuality. it’s making a comment purely on my relationship to gender and the privilege that i’d have for it.
meanwhile “allo” does make a comment on my sexuality, and it implies that the mere fact that i have sexual feelings means that my sexuality has something in common with the very people that oppress me FOR my sexual feelings.
anyway i already did respond more thoroughly to someone else with your exact question, and you could have just scrolled up the notes to see it, but here
I don't personally believe in allo privilege, in the sense that it puts you on the same level as a non aspec cis het but you do have a privilege over asexuals? (privilege being used only for a lack of a better term unless normativity would work better? I might just use that to avoid straight up saying allo privilege though since it isn't 100% a privilege for everyone.)
Like, no het person will sexually harass or assault another het person for feeling attraction to the "opposite" gender. I can't remember your exact orientation and don't have spoons to check atm since I had a hell of a day but if you are an LGB identity, then you probably won't face any backlash from being attracted to the same gender or multiple genders within your respective community.
This is different from LGB aspecs, who can be targets of harassment for being aspec, sexually assaulted by same gender partners (despite being sexually active(let's agree not to start arguomg on this rn) or their partner previously respecting known sex repulsion), told their love for the same gender is lesser for them lacking attraction, told they're abusive if they ever date outside of aspec circles, and many other things I've seen or heard. And all within their own communities too.
Allo lesbians having other lesbians tell them they don't belong because their love for women is lesser very likely won't happen like it has with aspec lesbians. Or bi aspecs being told they aren't "really bi" hecause they lack attraction. Or much worse being done to try to "fix" us by people we thought we could trust. I don't know what else to call "not fearing discrimination within your own community based on your attraction" besides a privilege?
I haven't even begun to touch on the exceptions of allo or the intersection it can have. As a trans person myself I'm well aware that many allo trans people are familiar with a similar form of discrimination against their attraction caused by transphobia that aspecs face for lacking attraction (not being treated as a "real" member of their own communities being one example). I haven't begun to cover how the treatment of aspecs by allo LGBT+ people stems from cisheteronormative exclusionism (meaning the exclusion practiced by allocishets upholding the axis of oppression we call cisheteronormativity and not "exclusionists against cishet aspecs" specifically). We haven't even started on the importance of breakimg this down to make the communities safer and more welcoming evennto the "acceptably LGBT+" aspecs who have unique experiences caused by the intersection of their aspec and other identities.
And I'm sorry for not having the spoons to do so atm. Some shit went down earlier andnif I can handle it by tomorrow I'll be happy to resume the conversation. There's a lot to explain. But for future reference when you "ironically" put allo in your urls like it's some bad word or to mock us, all you're really accomplishing is mocking aspec abuse victims harmed by members of their own communities or LGBT+ aspecs who are treated like less worthy of their communities because they might lack attraction or who have been through other shitty things because people see an aspec identity and think they can treat them however they want.
Sorry for not specifying but I tend to use general you a lot and I was refering to the general "anti-allo" crowd, not you specifically when usong cis as an example. But I'm sorry for misgendering you anyway since it's my fault for not making that obvious. Would it help if I tag every general you I use with a /g after it?