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We haven't posted on here in a long ass time;
Between memory loss/dissociation and front changes and new trauma and gatekeepers..
Saying much of anything is hard. Really really hard.
Parts of us have spent months trying to write a single post on here and someone else deletes it. But. We're here.
Hello, heh.
If anyone has some grounding techniques; we could use them, thanks <3
tulpamancy terminology: listening to those affected
hello all!
we’ve put together a google doc recently with links to posts, articles, and testimonies by buddhists, asians, and/or tibetans regarding tulpamancy language and the harm it causes to the marginalized groups directly affected.
you can check out the google doc below!
The purpose of this document is to compile instances where Buddhist, Asian, and Tibetan individuals have spoken out against tulpamancy langu
a few things to note:
if you would like us to add a link, please reach out to us with the link in question so we can add it to the list!
if you have made a post that’s been added to this list and would like to have it removed, get in touch and we will take it down asap.
we will continue to update this document as we find more links to add. thank you very much for reading - feel free to reblog this post or snag the link to share wherever you wish!
Call me whatever names you wish, but I think this is a much better (and healthier) attitude than “anyone under 18 should never be allowed to see any sexual imagery ever”
(For reference: this was at the Tom of Finland exhibition, containing actual, queer, kinky af pornography. There were definitely some young people there, perhaps in their late teens. There was even a parent with their baby who was probably too young to understand anything at all. And guess what, all those people are probably going to be fine.)
[ID: a sign saying “Please note: there is no age limit, but the exhibition is not recommended for children due to the explicit sexual imagery it contains. Parental or guardian discretion is advised.”]
This is in no way an insult or attack, I simply am asking a question so please don't take it the wrong way.
Why are you Anti-Endo?
Our syscourse opinions very from alter to alter so just keep that in mind. We identify our collective as anti-endo for a few reasons.
We are a disordered system. EVEN IF endogenic plurality is possible it would be FUNDAMENTALLY different from disordered systemhood. The way it forms, the causes, the experience, the coping skills, it would all be different. Because of that disorders systems like us NEED our own spaces and terms that are STRICTLY MEDICAL.
Now I know this isn't ALL endos but a good portion of them and the empowered plural movement or whatever was looking to demedicalize systemhood. That is a downright STUPID FUCKING IDEA. We as a CDID system have programs running that we are trying to combat. If this shit was not medical you HAVE GOT to realize that you would be playing into the hands of some of the most HORRIFIC CHILD ABUSERS. If being a system was removed from the medical community RAMCOA, TBMC, and others of that ilk would run RAMPANT and no victims would be able to get the help that they desperately need. It's a stupid, and quite frankly an abusive, fucking thing to do.
White Western Tulpas. I don't even need to explain that do I?
A lot of misinformation is spread in the endo community and there are TONS of accounts of endos trying to coerce disordered systems into believing they are endogenic and don't have trauma. Again, that is stupid and abusive as fuck. Again again, I KNOW its not ALL endos.
Endogenics do NOT LISTEN! We ask them to leave our spaces because we need a space for our disorder. We're the bad guys. We ask them not to use our medical terms. We're the bad guys. We ask them not to spread misinfo. We're the bad guys. We ask them to provide the studies and research that they claim exists to back up their claims. It's a carrd or a screenshot of some discord conversation. They invade our community and the only damn way to get some peace and quiet in a disordered space is to be actively against their identity.
Personally, I just don't think somebody can have this kind of experience without childhood trauma but that's just me. Some of us do but a lot of us don't. With the science we have it's just not possible and until the facts change neither will my personal stance.
TLDR: Do your own thing away from us and please don't overlap the experiences this much because they are NOT that similar. Make your own words I've seen pluralpedia you're more than capable of it. Just leave disabled people alone.
The words “disabililty” and “disorder” are not bad words. They do not equate to suffering and worthlessness.
Treating disability and disorders as if they are nonmedicalized and evil terms makes you no better than the people who spout the ableist “not disabled just differented abled ✨✨” bullshit. Please use your brain.
No one wants to hear a take that comes across as "leave the hot gays alone" and yet people online will act vicious unprovoked to people they've decided are too hot to have problems. You will slut shame, body shame, accuse them of being drug addicts or disease ridden or airheads, talk about them the way straight men talk about "bimbos," and think it's all righteous fury because they symbolically represent the people who rejected you on Grindr. Meanwhile they have never even interacted with you let alone been mean to you, and the only thing they did wrong is be "hot" or post something innocuously annoying. You will posture that it's all a heroic stance against body standards in the gay community and then proceed to make fun of "bear face," poly people with "cringe reddit energy," or social circles that exist outside the perceived "in group" (which by the way not even people in it consider themselves a part of). If you were really above it all you'd just keep scrolling rather than making it a Janis Ian Mean Girls revenge fantasy. Opting out means opting out!
[Text: this system is anti-misinformation and endo apathetic]
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Some endo info for all of you!
https://endogenic-research.carrd.co/
Debunking Sysmed Claims (debunking-sysmeds.carrd.co)
Thank you and have a good day no matter your system origin
This is so stupid, I’m so tired of debunking this stuff. If you ACTUALLY want to educate yourself, you can find all of the full debunks pretty easily on my blogs, but let’s run through quickly.
First, you’re missing SEVERAL pages from the DSM that explain DID’s connection to trauma. It’s not in the criteria because you’re not supposed to remember, but if you’re going to use the criteria, use the REAL screenshots. It’s weird to me that you didn’t. Scummy. Also, in criteria B, the and/or traumatic memories doesn’t make it optional, it means you might or might not remember your trauma. Like, it’s right there, people.
Secondly, DID IS a trauma disorder. Trauma and stress related disorders is a new category based on short term, single traumatic events, in which the disorder can be clearly traced to the event. Dissociative disorders are placed next to those, but not a part of it, because it’s a category based on symptom grouping. Not because they’re not related– DID is a trauma disorder, categorized by its dissociative symptoms, so they moved the whole damn dissociative section to put it next to trauma and stress disorders. Dissociative disorders also don’t have a single traumatic event that symptoms can be traced to, so it doesn’t quite fit under trauma and stress disorders.
From the writers of the DSM.
In b4 hypothesized– we can see it now on MRI scans.
Thirdly, the guy who changed MPD to DID wasn’t NEARLY as involved as people make him out to be. He had no authority on removing it. The only changes he was able to add to the DSM were cautionary statements about overdiagnosis, which were removed, in their entirety, two years later and he was never asked back. No one likes him. Not even the DSM task force. It’s like everyone forgets he was only one man on a team of dozens working on that section. Stop bringing him up, he doesn’t matter, you’re twisting truths to make your point. Not cool.
Fourthly, most of the articles you link have been thoroughly debunked as unreliable, inaccurate, and/or unscientific. I actually spoke to the author of one of those articles and she doesn’t support endogenic systems OR the use of her article in these arguments. Her article was one of the very first to look at healthy multiplicity as opposed to fusion as a viable treatment option for DID/MPD systems, and you’re doing a huge disservice to everyone, and DID history, by claiming her article is about endogenic systems and including it in this.
Fifthly, we’re not upset about endos using the terms because we think they belong to us (or, at least, most of us, though there’s something to be said about the fact that system was used in the 1800’s by Janet to refer to dissociated parts of the self), it’s more… If you’re not trauma formed, why would you have alters with certain roles? Why would you need them? Most roles have a very clear relation to their reason for forming in relation to trauma.
Aside from that, let’s talk about IFS therapy. IFS shares many, MANY terms with DID. I like IFS, I think it’s a very useful type of therapy. It works for a lot of people, it’s good. It has, however, made it challenging to get treatment and diagnosis for DID/OSDD. Therapists are more likely to write us off into the more successful and easy to access IFS groups than to treat us for DID because the words we’re using are the same. We fear the same will happen with endogenic systems using these terms.
Lastly, let’s talk about the ToSD guys– yes, guyS, because there were three that wrote the ToSD book. The actions of one don’t override or negate the work of the other two. The whole theory isn’t debunked because one guy is an asshole. Also, you know who actually came up with the theory? Janet, in the 1800s, and many people after him worked on it. The three guys we talk about now took those theories and put it into a book. They didn’t actually come up with it, so this isn’t the gotcha people think it is.
Did I cover everything? Every article you linked can be found in my blogs, debunked or discussed by me. If you ask nicely, I’ll even do the work and find them for you, just so you don’t make these same claims twice.
I think I may be asking nicely. I love the debunking here, and am interested in looking into the claims made in the carrds as well as the claims you assert, but lord knows I’ve gotten lost scrolling your blog for hours.
If you (or anyone else willing to take the challenge) is willing to create a masterpost of the articles and their debunks, I would greatly appreciate it. It would help educate everyone more readily and would provide a simple, easy link to provide when these conversations come up.
Anything for you <3
Masterlist GO
format: source article(s) - debunk
On Allen Frances - [1] [2]
The TPA talks about the ToSD - debunked by an actual psychologist as completely bonkers
Kerry Dawkins on the ToSD -
This article is linked five damn times (gotta bulk it up, right?) - [1]
DSM and Cultural Exclusion - [1] [2]
This entire tumblr post - My entire tumblr post
This article -
I actually thought there was more in this, so… In general:
History of ToSD [1]
ISSTD - [1]
Samuel Veissière, tulpa extraordinaire - [1]
I’ll be continuing to add to this and will pin it– I’ve got to sleep for the night. It’s not done yet, but have some light reading.
What age did you first recognize the existence of an alter?
10 and below
11-13
14-17
18-20
21-25
26-30
31+
Doesn’t necessarily mean you knew what it meant, you just knew that something was up
Oh forgot to say, reblog if you can for a better sample size
Anti endo can mean I don't want endogenic plurals invade disordered systems spaces
Anti endo can mean I have trauma with endogenic plurals before
Anti endo can mean I read natural multiplicity history and their involvement with shaming CDD systems and I'm against them
Anti endo can mean I see endos talking over disordered systems about DID/OSDD and I don't want that to keep happening
Anti endo can mean I'm skeptical about endogenic plural's existence until there are solid scientific evidences about it, then I reconsider my stance
Anti endo can mean a lot
"having DID is having built-in friends" "having DID is getting to meet fictional characters" "having DID is having like a billion different aesthetics" no!!! it's not!!! shut up!!!
I know y'all are coping by being silly and goofy about your system and that is so okay, I do it too, most of us do. but there is an enormous fucking difference between being silly and acting like DID is not a serious trauma disorder. because DID is a trauma disorder and it is incurable and it can be fucking debilitating. you don't have to post about the bad parts, but you cannot act like your silly posts are what defines DID
Hot take
Anti endos just want endos to stfu about DID and stay in their lane
Anti endos just want endos to stop spreading misinformation and lies about DID and its history
Anti endos just want to interact with other DID systems, because endos can't be trusted not to say something insensitive and dumb
Presenting facts and correcting misinformation isn't a hate crime, get over yourselves, you're not oppressed
i type out and delete at leasT 8 vent posts a day if u follow me u have no idea how lucky u r
Y’all are so damm cool,
Any advice you can possibly give towards dealing with alters who refuse to stop being harmful?
<3
Truthfully, we have found the most productive way is to work through it in therapy. Having a professionally trained neutral party can be really beneficial, especially for an alter who feels "othered" or threatened by the rest of the system, or society in general.
Besides that- while system responsibility is extremely important, when an alter goes out of their way to be harmful, it can also be really important for them to take the responsibility. To have to reflect on their actions without minimizing or deflecting it on the rest of the system, and to make their own amends to whoever they hurt. Of course, being able to do this takes time and adequate communicative abilities with that alter. And if that's not there, well, again therapy is a good place to start.
((Lil P.S. if finding a trauma or DID therapist is too hard, I honestly recommend at least trying a DBT group or therapist. They give tons and tons of live-saving coping skills specifically for when in extreme distress. It can be very very helpful!))
Everyday I wake up and don’t recognize my face
as a system with tics about to start studying as an OT specializing in tics
i can tell you this 10000% for certain
if one alter has tics, EVERY ALTER HAS TICS
its neurological, it affects the whole brain and body, which includes the entire system!
NOW-
some alters may have tics more severly than others, that’s fine but.
the bottom line is
if you have tics, the whole system has tics. ends of story.
