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A fanart from one of my fav Harrydore fic!
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Time travel and great adventure! It is a veryyyyyy slow burn and it is amazing!
(I could not reach the author of the fic to get their consent about fanart so if anyone knows if they stated they don’t want fanart on their work please let me know 🥺❤️)
GRAND TOTALS: WHO HARRY THINKS IS HOT
i'm back again with more stupid word counting shenanigans!!!
as a followup to The Handsome List and The Beautiful List, i was thinking, maybe I'm just missing the words he's using to refer to people that he really fancies. Let's give Harry the benefit of the doubt. So here, i've also added in every time someone is referred to as Pretty, Gorgeous, Attractive, Lovely, or Good-Looking, and I'll add the totals to the Beautiful List and the Handsome List.
DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
Sorcerer’s Stone: Pretty: Lily: 1, a snuffbox: 1 gorgeous: 0 good-looking: 0 attractive: Angelina: 1 (by Lee)
Chamber of Secrets: Pretty: 0 gorgeous: 0 good-looking: 0 attractive: 0
Prisoner of Azkaban: Pretty: Madame Rosemerta: 1, Cho: 1 Gorgeous: Crookshanks: 1 (by Hermione) Good-looking: Cedric: 1 (by Angelina) Attractive: 0
Goblet of Fire: Pretty: Cho: 2, Cedric: 2 (1 by Seamus), Hermione: 2 (1 by Rita), Rosemerta: 1, Parvati: 1, Padma: 1, Pansy: 1 (by Rita) Attractive: Rita: 1 (by her quill) Good-looking: random fifth-year: 1 (by Ron)
Order of the Phoenix: Pretty: Cho: 3, Roger Davies’ Girlfriend: 1, Patronuses: 1 (by Cho) Gorgeous: Firenze: 1 (by Parvati) Good-looking: Bill: 1 (by Molly), Cedric: 1 (by Pansy), Sirius: 1, Cho: 1 (by Ron) Attractive: 0
Half-Blood Prince: Pretty: Ginny’s neck: 1 (by a scam artist), Cecilia: 1, a girl in Ottery St. Catchpole: 1 (by George), Slytherin’s Locket: 1 (by Hepzibah), Goyle as a first-year girl: 1, Ginny: 1 (by Amycus Carrow) Good-Looking: 0 Gorgeous: 0 Attractive: Rosemerta: 1
Deathly Hallows: Pretty: Girls at the wedding: 1, a statue of Lily: 1, Hermione: 1 (by Fenrir Greyback), a room: 1 Attractive: Fleur’s Mother: 1 Lovely: Dudley: 1 (by Petunia) Gorgeous: 0 Good-looking: Fleur: 1 (by Muriel), Percival Dumbledore: 1
GRAND TOTALS for NAMED people/creatures (ONLY Harry's observations) including pretty, beautiful, lovely, gorgeous, good-looking, attractive, and handsome:
Sirius Black: 8
Tom Riddle: 7
Cho Chang: 6 / Fawkes: 6
Cedric Diggory: 5
Tom Riddle, Sr.: 4
Madame Rosemerta: 3 / Madame Maxime: 3 / Hermes the Owl: 3 / Fleur Delacour: 3
Hedwig: 2 / Rowena Ravenclaw: 2 / Fleur's Mother: 2 / Lily Evans Potter: 2 / Gilderoy Lockhart: 2 / Gellert Grindelwald: 2
Ginny Weasley: 1 / Hermione Granger: 1 / Firenze: 1 / Percival Dumbledore: 1
ok i was curious (and on a non-insignificant amount of medication) about whether Harry refers to Voldemort or Sirius as "handsome" more often so i decided to count how many times people/things are referred to as "handsome" in all 7 books. i didn't count things that are referred to as NOT handsome or as No Longer Handsome or Once Might Have Been Handsome, just times Harry (or someone else) refers to someone as handsome. draw what conclusions you like. I did not count "beautiful" or "gorgeous" or "good-looking" just "handsome."
Sorcerer’s Stone: 0 handsomes for people (1 for a book)
Chamber of Secrets: Fawkes: 1 (by Albus), Voldemort: 1 (by Albus) Lockhart: 1
Prisoner of Azkaban: a book: 1, Hermes the owl: 1, a staircase: 1, a Christmas tree: 1, Sirius: 2
Goblet of Fire: Cedric: 4, Madame Maxime: 2, a fire: 1, Lockhart: 1
Order of the Phoenix: a statue: 2, Hermes the Owl: 1, an armchair: 1, Sirius: 2, an egg: 1, a quill: 1
Half-Blood Prince: Hermes the owl: 1 (GET IT TOGETHER HARRY), a book: 1, Firenze: 1, a house: 1, Tom Riddle Sr: 4, Tom Riddle: 6, Ron: 1 (by Slughorn), Bill: 2 (by his mom), Madame Maxime: 1
Deathly Hallows: a house: 1, a mantlepiece: 1, a room: 1, Sirius: 3, a statue: 1, Grindelwald: 2, Voldemort: 1, a wand: 1
Final count:
Ron: 1
Firenze: 1
Staircases: 1
Rooms: 1
Fawkes: 1
Fires: 1
Christmas trees: 1
Armchairs: 1
Quills: 1
Eggs: 1
Wands: 1
Mantlepieces: 1
Houses: 2
Lockhart: 2
Bill: 2
Grindelwald: 2
Statues: 3
Hermes the Owl: 3
Madame Maxime: 3
Cedric: 4
Tom Riddle, Sr: 4
Sirius: 7
Tom Riddle, Jr./Voldemort: 8
however one of the Voldemort ones is from Albus so HARRY refers to Sirius and Voldemort as "handsome" the exact same number of times thank u for coming to my ted talk
I can't believe Harry didn't describe Diary Tom as handsome
Right?? Only Albus does in Chamber of Secrets, talking about how people don’t want to remember that charming, handsome student as Lord Voldemort…
On a metalevel this might be a coincidence but he only seems to start to refer to people as handsome by book four. This also coincidences quite nicely with his first crush (on cho)
He starts to notice people and starts to catalogue them by whether he finds them attractive too. And i say people because harry notices men's looks a lot *cough* bi king Harry *cough*
so @trothplighted and i were trying to decide when in 1945 the famous Duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald happened
and it turns out there was a weird, "bizarre," "rather stupid" incident that resulted in 2 deaths and 25 injuries in King's Cross Station on February 4th, 1945, when a train randomly derailed and the station was shut down for weeks.
and that train
was Coach no. 1899
OKAY FEBRUARY 4TH IT IS. dang the Obliviators were really working around the clock on that one huh
Slughorn and Lily's relationship is everything to me tbh
it's that very specific kind of closeness that a Gifted Kid and Favorite Teacher have, the almost parasocial thing (especially when you live at the school) of knowing there's someone that you want to indulge, someone you want to show off for, someone you want to impress, and all of that goes both ways
there's SOMETHING about the fact that he's the only person who talks about Lily as her own person, not about how she was with James, not about how fuckable she was, not about how beautiful she was, not about her sacrifice. but about how she was funny, and sassy, and clever, and inventive. about how missed she is, how loved she was on her own terms, for who she was, not because she was supposed to be filling a hole in a man's heart or a place at a man's side.
he's the only character we ever really see wrestle with the concept of WANTING to Be Good, not just to make a person like him, but because it's hard to be brave, it's frightening to stand up for what's right. he wants to be better than he is. Harry doesn't get the memory, truly, by telling him to do it for Lily. he gets it by saying, "you'll get to undo any damage you may have done that day by being brave now." he WANTS to be brave, but he doesn't think he is. it isn't just that he's willing to do it For Her, it's that the thought of her inspires him to want to be better on his own terms.
he's one of the only teachers (i would say Remus is the other one) who hits the Good Teacher Trifecta - he loves his subject, he's good at teaching, and he seems to genuinely like his students as people. yes, he plays favorites, and yes, he has his weaknesses. he's fallible, he's weak, he's pleasure-seeking, he's greedy, he's gluttonous. and he wants, underneath and through it all, to be better. he's dramatic, he's charismatic, he's charming, he's acknowledged by everyone from Lucius Malfoy to Albus Dumbledore as a great wizard, and he's one of the only people who truly gets to overcome his own weakness, going from letting Young Tom Riddle sweet-talk him into forbidden information to DUELING him in the Great Hall.
i love him. i wish he'd gotten to train Lily as his successor.
I think it's also notable that Slughorn is one of the frw characters who goes on a visible journey of changing his societal stances.
When we see him in the memory that he originally tampers with, there's only boys in the slug club and (I'm nor sure of this is textual or just heavily implied) they're all purblood or at least from wizarding families.
by the time canon rolls around, we know of at least two girls he invites to the slug club (ginny and hermione), at least one of whom he knows to be muggle born. We don't get to see where the switch happened or if it even was a specific moment, but I do love the fact that he clearly evolved. (Headcanon time, I'd love to think that lily played a role here. That she challenged him very directly on the fact that she was top of the class in potions and she wasn't invited bc she was a girl and she was muggle born. And he actually listened bc he had grown fond of her and he'd have hsted to see her potential squandered. And yes yes yes op on how slughorn seems to be the only one to remember lily the person and not lily the mother and saint :'))
Now I don't think that makes Slughorn into a great guy. The Slug club as a concept is horribly elitist (reminds me of fraternities which range from straight up nazi organisations to neo-liberal elitist networling spaces where I'm from) and he still gives off "i can't be racist i have a black friend" vibes in hbp but i still love the idea of a character who is capable of change and growth by listening to others.
And moving away from my lilyheascanon up there, maybe the fact that a lot of his former slug club members of the tom Riddle generation ended up as death eaters caused this reflection. He saw what this kind of pure-blood isolation did, the radicalisation it bread and was lead to the conclusion that he didn't want to fascilitate that anymore. So he opened the slug club up to more people. (Again,thr slugclub is horrible. The bar is pretty low ^^)
Apparently it's bitching hours on my end but there's no hp fic tag more hit-or-miss than #manipulative!albusdumbledore bc either it means you get a well thought out character portrayal that highlights his tendency to withhold information for other's well being while in the process disregarding their autonomy or it means you get just straight up dumbledore bashing that wasn't tagged properly
Lily Evans and Remus Lupin💔
I have such a visceral (maybe sliiiightly irrational) hatred for fanfics that turn purebloods into literal lords
Lord Potter, Lord Black, Lord Peverell for some fucking reason when the books specifically DON'T do that
And like ... there's intersting ways one could do this. I'm sure there are fics that do this in a way that actually examines and critiques the concept of British aristocracy (which the books never did properly either) but every time I cone across it, the fics either straight up romanticise aristocratic and patriarchal power structures or they just use titles like lord soandso casually bc apparently it became a trope in some corners of the fandom while i wasn't looking
The amount of times I've clicked the back button on a fic because i read the phrase "Lord Potter" being used in a character introduction could probably double my number of bookmarks on ao3 if I'd saved them all
I love whatever fucked up dysfunctional family thing is going on between Dumbledore, Snape, and Harry. It is SCRUMPTIOUS.
Do NOT hide this thesis in the tags. 😔
The class difference between Remus and Sirius is actually so important to me
Dumbledore and Sirius's food situation in GOF
So I remembered the scene where Sirius sent for Harry and co. to meet him near hogsmeade, and how it's made a point (in a weird amalgamation of a serious/comedic tone that was probably not intended to be taken in any way other than 'Wow Sirius cares about Harry this much!', but I digress) that Sirius was starving in there, his general appearance has degraded again to matted hair and torn robes, he was described as thin, he had to quite literally eat rats! And Dumbledore is involved with this: “You are not Sirius’s only correspondent,” said Dumbledore. “I have also been in contact with him ever since he left Hogwarts last year. It was I who suggested the mountainside cave as the safest place for him to stay.”
Dumbledore is the one who suggested that hiding spot, so Dumbledore should have also known about Sirius's situation and sent up food, right? So why didn't he? Well, taking into account that it would literally take Dumbledore just asking either a house elf or Fawkes to send up food to Sirius really quick, as in it would take very very little effort for Dumbledore to solve this, my only answer is that... he didn't think about it (Yes my answer is just 'he forgor💀', deal with it.) As in, think about it, Dumbledore has no reason to not give Sirius food, even if you think that Dumbledore doesn't want Sirius near Harry (For some reason), then this attempt is like... really really bad, he knows that Sirius escaped from Azkaban just for Harry, and that a starving Sirius on the run from everyone and still freshly traumatized from Azkaban still took the time of day to send Harry a Christmas gift! (And also to watch Harry's quidditch game, but Dumbledore doesn't know that.) Dumbledore would know that starving Sirius wouldn't deter him from taking care of Harry, and that all what that move would accomplish would be having Harry love Sirius more, and perhaps also make Harry or Sirius distrust Dumbledore. If Dumbledore really didn't want Sirius to 'interfere' with Harry, he would have just.... not suggested him that good hiding spot that allows Sirius this exact thing, or even better, he would have let Sirius be there, and after some time he would just discreetly make someone (via confundus or something) stumble into that cave and then run away to call the aurors, and then Dumbledore would be like "Oh gee golly, see Sirius? This isn't safe here for you, better for you to fuck off out of the country." Back to the point though, again I think Dumbledore just never considered that this may be a problem. Not even in a "Oh I have a nice place for Sirius to hide, he could handle other stuff like food!" But in a "Oh I have a nice place for Sirius to hide!" and that's it, no thought of food or such. Because Dumbledore at that point would be living for decades in a castle with free infinite food cooked by multiple chefs, even his experience as a secret resistance leader wouldn't help here, because even if there was a rare mission or two where it requires a long term stay in another location (IE: Hagrid and Maxime to the giants), you get the feeling that it was kinda on the order members sent on the mission themselves to take care of the food and lodging and stuff. And also, Sirius wouldn't tell Dumbledore if he was starving (pretty sure he wouldn't tell Dumbledore even if he was... idk, if *insert angsty thing times 1000 here*.) Look at how Sirius was treating it, he didn't send Harry a letter saying "Oh Merlin, Harry I'm starving! I need food!" No, he told Harry to come primary to help Harry, and was then like "Oh btw bring some food along with you." Be at stile at end of road out of Hogsmeade (past Dervish and Banges) at two o’clock on Saturday afternoon. Bring as much food as you can. And then looking at the way he talks about it with Harry... it was in a light joking tone, as if he expects Harry to just be like 'feelsbadman' and move on, he didn't even ask Harry to keep on sending him food. “I’ve been living off rats mostly. Can’t steal too much food from Hogsmeade; I’d draw attention to myself.” He grinned up at Harry, but Harry returned the grin only reluctantly. Literally just grins at Harry while explaining how much he's starving, he totally just expected it to be a funny thing for Harry to laugh at, poor guy, my heart aches for him.
Sure you could say that his parental relationship with Harry would be different than his relationship with Dumbledore, but again getting a general sense of Sirius's character, he doesn't seem like the guy to ask his distant boss/teacher for food, he'd want to feel like he could take care of himself without help, especially since he considers Harry his responsibility. (And no evidence that Dumbledore knew of Sirius's starvation situation, and Sirius never expressed any bitterness at Dumbledore for it.) Dumbledore just plain goofed and didn't think about it, and he was regularly exchanging letters with Sirius and Sirius didn't mention any problems he had, so all was well anyways in Dumbledore's mind. Pretty sure if Harry mentioned Sirius's problems, Dumbledore would have slapped himself upside the head before literally solving the whole thing with a single sentence to a house-elf. Oh, and as an added bonus, how do you know that Dumbledore loved Sirius a lot (and probably felt really really guilty for not double checking if Sirius really was a traitor)? By looking at how Dumbledore basically locked Sirius inside of Grimmauld, just like Harry and Ariana. It's fine for Sturgis Podmore to take a big risk, infiltrate the ministry, and then get caught and land himself in Azkaban, it's fine for Hagrid and Maxime to take a dangerous mission to the giants where they could be crushed, but Sirius? Oh no you're staying put in there, don't you see how you could be caught by the Ministry and Death Eaters?* No no no you stay locked up in here under one of the strongest protection spells where nothing could happen to you! Classic Dumbledore move of him harming those he loves in an attempt to protect them. Astrisk here*: Yeah, cause even after Lucius spots Sirius, the DE and ministry could for sure really have an ultra big spy network to catch this random stray black dog out of thousands, just more evidence of how Dumbledore was overprotective of Sirius.
I have several points that I want to make in reply to this. Prepare for barely-steuctured rambling that's only vaguely connected to your original point(s) ^^
1. About Albus just plain forgetting that acquiring food might be a challenge for Sirius in his situation during GoF
You are so 100% right.
Here's the thing. one of the worst mistakes people make in trying to decipher Albus' actions is to assume that he is indeed omniscient (as was assumed by an 11 year old harry)
he's not. And this is exactly the kind of oversight he tends to make
He himself is so hypercompetent, as well as chronically self-reliant that he quite forgets that other people have needs that he might be able to meet better than they can. Combine that with the fact that Albus seems to have a tendency to get lost in his own thoughts, even when he has company and you get someone who can come off as uncaring and is indeed not really suited to attend to other's basic needs.
Case in point? He and Harry have just swum in the icy north sea and Albus doesn't realise that Harry doesn't know a drying or warming charm until, after a few minutes, he shivers so badly that he can barely speak.
This isn't a character flaw, btw. It's just the way Albus seems to be wired. (And psst, I find this relatable. I try to be attentive bc i care a lot, but it doesn't come naturally to me.)
2. About Albus "wanting to distance Sirius from Harry"
This isn't a point you made op, it's one you cite others making and I have to double down on your point about how ridiculous this notion is.
Throughout book 4, aka Sirius one year of freedom, Albus actively aids him in being as close to Harry as possible. In fact, it always strikes me just how much Albus treats him as he would Harry's parent. At the end of the book, he doesn't just permit Sirius to be present while he interrogates Harry about the graveyard, he actively facilitates him being there. And that's what you'd normally do when you have to question a minor on something emotionally taxing: you get the parent involved and have them be present the entire time.
That's exactly what Albus does here with Sirius, thus very much acknowledging his claim as the closest thing Harry has to a parent.
Book 5 then is a special case and imo an absolute clusterfuck of bad circumstances that lead to a bunch of people making some very dumb trauma-informed decisions.
Which brings me to my next point:
3. About the nature of Albus' feelings for Sirius.
You make the point that Albus loves Sirius and that this is why he kept him hidden. Because whom Albus loves, he seeks to protect and hiding people is how he learned to protect them.
I agree with the latter statement but I'm still debating with myself over whether the first statement is really the only logical conclusion here.
The thing is, you are 100% correct, imo, that Albus protecting Sirius in this particular manner, by confining him physically, follows directly from the way he himself was raised. There is one particular part in the lost prophecy chapter that always makes me stare off into space for like 5 minutes straight:
“Yeah, he did hate it!” said Harry [...]. “You made him stay shut up in that house and he hated it, that’s why he wanted to get out last night —”
“I was trying to keep Sirius alive,” said Dumbledore quietly.
“People don’t like being locked up!” Harry said furiously, rounding on him. “You did it to me all last summer —”
Dumbledore closed his eyes and buried his face in his long-fingered hands.
There is so much in this short passage. Harry starts off by, rightfully, stating that being locked up in the house of his childhood traumas was abysmal for Sirius mental state and that this did contribute to his reckless behaviour (though tbh, I think Sirius would have come to the ministry to save Harry in any situation no matter his own state of mind. Denying that gives Sirius too little credit. Though Harry not seeing that in this moment is understandable)
And i find it remarkable that after the way Albus mannerisms have been described in this chapter so far (calm, detached, almost cold), it is here that he seems to first melt and then crack. Obviously, "quietly" doesn't carry a lot of emotions in and off itself but coming off the previous descriptors of Albus' mannerisms, it comes off as almost meek, like Harry's outburst suddenly and finally pentrates his many emotional walls and he feels the need to justify himself.
And then Harry really seems to strike a nerve with "people don't like to be locked up! You did it to me all last summer —"
There are few interpretations I'm as set on as Albus very suddenly and violently being reminded of what that feels like and that's why this is where the ice around him cracks. (Because when Ariana was locked up it ended in disasters. When he himself was locked up it ended it disaster.)
I'm repeating myself but this is where Albus suddenly doesn't manage to be detached anymore. He's tried so so hard. But he knows this feeling and he knows this pattern and as he later says he's fallen into the trap he had forseen and still he didn't manage to avoid it.
And that trap ... was loving Harry.
And here comes my point: because I don't think him protecting Sirius by keeping him locked up somewhere safe is necessarily evidence of him loving Sirius. It's evidence of him loving Harry.
Because, as stated in point two, Albus knew full well that Sirius had very quickly grown to be one of (if not the) most important parental figure in Harry's life and in protecting Sirius he was protecting Harry from loosing one more person he could emotionally rely on.
Best laid plans and all that ...
Hmmm yes world renowned auror Mad-Eye Moody ignoring the death eater right in front of him in order to drag his injured body across a battlefield to get to Tonks. Using the wand in his hand not to fight but to try to wake her up.
I'm listening to the Horace Slughorn chapter in HBP right now and I'm reminded why i love and am honestly really intrigued by the relationship between dumbledore and slughorn
Bc Slughorn sees Harry and he instantly clocks that Albus is trying to manipulate him. (The exact phrasing is: Slughorn turned on Dumbledore, his expression shrewd. “So that’s how you thought you’d persuade me, is it? Well, the answer’s no, Albus.”) And then he goes and let's him! He might grumble about it and play hard to get for about half an hour but once he says yes, he knows exactly how they got there.
And in general, Slughorn is the character who most treats Albus like a peer. There's real familiarity in the way they talk. Slughorn comments on Albus' age and injury from a perspective of someone who shares in this experience when most people will either not comment on it out of respect or else, comment on it in a way that implies that Albus is loosing his touch.
And obviously Albus knows Slughorn, too, or he wouldn't have so effectively manipulated him in the first. Only, Albus also knows that Slughorn is in the know.
It's like...
Albus: here is Harry Potter, the current most famous student at hogwarts, wouldn't you like to collect him into your network?
Slughorn: i know what you're doing old man and I'm not falling for it
Albus: well fellow old man, I actually think you are falling for it.
Slughorn: ... this is like in 1932 when you got me to take your detention supervision duties for a months. Alright alright alright, I'll come back to hogwarts!
I'm just finding myself endlessly fascinated by the potential of this dynamic: two intelligent, manipulative and intensely isolated old men who have known each other for decades and slowly watched their generation disappear, one of them approaching his death ...
Oh and i should add, i absolutely ship them. Not in a way that i think they ever were a steady item. I think they fucked since they were in their forties. In Horace Albus, serial ghoster extraordinare, has finally found someone he can fuck without ever being asked to open up. Theirs is a 100% mutual casual fuck-buddy relationship. In fact, Horace is kind of into the fact that he knows Albus, but he doesn't really know him.
Like, he can predict how Albus will react to any given situation with an accuracy rate of about 90% but fuck him if he knows anything about Albus besides his professional interests and what he's like in bed. And he's into the mystique of it all. Imo he was as surprised as anyone when Albus went out to defeat Gellert. He doesn't know about that whole story at all
I also 100% believe that they resumed that relationship in book 6 though Albus was so distracted and single-minded in his pursuit of ... whatever it is he does in the war that he somewhat neglects himself and for the first time ever Horace is worried about him. And Albus reacts like: horace, I've never needed a casual night-time fuck more and now you decide you want to know what I'm up to? I thought we had a deal!
I'm listening to the Horace Slughorn chapter in HBP right now and I'm reminded why i love and am honestly really intrigued by the relationship between dumbledore and slughorn
Bc Slughorn sees Harry and he instantly clocks that Albus is trying to manipulate him. (The exact phrasing is: Slughorn turned on Dumbledore, his expression shrewd. “So that’s how you thought you’d persuade me, is it? Well, the answer’s no, Albus.”) And then he goes and let's him! He might grumble about it and play hard to get for about half an hour but once he says yes, he knows exactly how they got there.
And in general, Slughorn is the character who most treats Albus like a peer. There's real familiarity in the way they talk. Slughorn comments on Albus' age and injury from a perspective of someone who shares in this experience when most people will either not comment on it out of respect or else, comment on it in a way that implies that Albus is loosing his touch.
And obviously Albus knows Slughorn, too, or he wouldn't have so effectively manipulated him in the first. Only, Albus also knows that Slughorn is in the know.
It's like...
Albus: here is Harry Potter, the current most famous student at hogwarts, wouldn't you like to collect him into your network?
Slughorn: i know what you're doing old man and I'm not falling for it
Albus: well fellow old man, I actually think you are falling for it.
Slughorn: ... this is like in 1932 when you got me to take your detention supervision duties for a months. Alright alright alright, I'll come back to hogwarts!
I'm just finding myself endlessly fascinated by the potential of this dynamic: two intelligent, manipulative and intensely isolated old men who have known each other for decades and slowly watched their generation disappear, one of them approaching his death ...
When people see wolfstar as a happy, healthy teenage romance and not a fucked up decades long situationship between two repressed and traumatised friends who keep messing up despite loving each other... 💔:(
