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[thinker257]

Everyone says Lucifer and Lilith are the best couple and that they loved each other. And I don't deny that, but I'm a fan of Flowertunes (AdanxEve). You know, for me, Adam and Eve always loved each other. In Eden, everything was simple and peaceful, and their love was born. But where their love was strongest, in my opinion, was when they were expelled from Paradise, where they only had each other. Perhaps there were arguments, but I imagine they both moved on, setting aside their guilt and learning to work together, to love each other as a couple, and to love their children. By the way, I imagine when Adam and Eve reunite after grieving Abel's death, they get to know each other again and fall in love like the first time (background song: "Would You Fall in Love with Me Again?" from Epic the Musical. I'm sending a link to a short film with that song. Credits to the video creator and to Jorge Herrera, creator of Epic.). And no AU or modern version that says otherwise will change my mind. What do you think? Please be respectful in your comments.

[thinker257]

Also I add this link. Because I loved it and it shows biblical couples. I hope you like it. Credit to the creator.

[thinker257]

Everyone says Lucifer and Lilith are the best couple and that they loved each other. And I don't deny that, but I'm a fan of Flowertunes (AdanxEve). You know, for me, Adam and Eve always loved each other. In Eden, everything was simple and peaceful, and their love was born. But where their love was strongest, in my opinion, was when they were expelled from Paradise, where they only had each other. Perhaps there were arguments, but I imagine they both moved on, setting aside their guilt and learning to work together, to love each other as a couple, and to love their children. By the way, I imagine when Adam and Eve reunite after grieving Abel's death, they get to know each other again and fall in love like the first time (background song: "Would You Fall in Love with Me Again?" from Epic the Musical. I'm sending a link to a short video with that song. Credits to the video creator and to Jorge Herrera, creator of Epic.). And no AU or modern version that says otherwise will change my mind. What do you think? Please be respectful in your comments.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Charlie And Adam Should Have Had This Exchange

Act I, Scene I: The Edge of the Roof

(The sky above the Extermination is a chaotic smear of neon red and gold. CHARLIE is pinned against the crumbling ledge, the wind whipping her blonde hair across her face. ADAM has a massive, golden-gloved hand wrapped around her collar, lifting her just enough that her toes scrape the gravel.)

CHARLIE (Gasping, clawing uselessly at his wrist, her demon horns flickering in and out with her panic) W-Why… why do you do this?! The sinners down here… they’re your descendants, Adam! Your actual blood! How can you just… casually slaughter your own fucking children?!

(Adam’s permanent, smug grin completely vanishes. His eyes flare an aggressive, neon yellow behind his LED mask, narrowing into slits.)

ADAM (Huffs a harsh, mocking laugh, pulling her face inches from his) Oh, please, Princess! Give me a fucking break with the Hallmark speech. You think I’m the bad guy here? When we got kicked out of the Garden because of your parents little "gift", the whole world turned into a meat grinder.

Flashback: The First Wilderness

(The neon brightness fades into a grainy, harsh, prehistoric sepia tone. A younger, human ADAM—looking rough, bearded, and wearing crude furs—stands before a cave entrance. Inside, a terrified EVE is shielding a toddler CAIN with one arm while clutching an infant ABEL to her chest.

Roaring in front of them is a massive, monstrous grizzly bear. Adam recognizes the notched ear—it’s a beast he used to feed fruit to by hand in Eden. For a split second, Adam’s face falls into profound, heartbreaking conflict. He doesn't want to hurt a former friend. But as the bear lunges toward Eve, the hesitation dies. With a raw, desperate scream, Adam drives a crude wooden spear straight through the animal's chest to keep his family alive.)

Act I, Scene I: Continued

(The memory snaps back to the present with a harsh electric spark. Adam’s voice drops from his usual rock-star bravado into something genuinely venomous and heavy.)

ADAM I had to put a spear through the chest of a beast I used to name, Charlie! I had to watch its blood hit the dirt just so my family could survive the night! I did the dirty work. I protected my own. That is what a real fucking man does.

(He shoves her backward onto the roof. Charlie stumbles, hitting the ground hard. Adam paces, his massive golden wings flaring with angry, agitated energy.)

ADAM (Pointing an accusing finger down at her) So don’t you dare come at me with that 'descendant' bullshit! The second those souls chose to dive headfirst into the filth, the murder, and the depravity of your parents’ pathetic little playground? They stopped being my kids. They became a disease.

(He steps closer, towering over her, his voice dropping into a dark, resonant echo that vibrates through the roof.)

ADAM My real children are up in Heaven, keeping the faith and playing by the rules. The spawn down here? They’re just unrepentant trash. And I am more than happy to play the exterminator.

This is basically giving Adam actual nuanced and tragedy. He's become like this due to years of suffering and having to deal with Lucifer and Lilith's injustice towards him. If he had to protect his family against his former animal friends then he is willing to slaughter his fallen descendants to keep his ascended children safe from harm.

[thinker257]

I feel that Charlie only has one version of the story, the version her parents told her. But history always has more than one version, and we still need to see the version of Adam and Eve in Eden. And I'm not interested in the narrative of "Lucifer and Lilith misunderstood and heroes, Eve a victim of Adam, and Adam being an imbecile from the beginning." In one of my posts, I criticized the "Story of Hell," and I feel it's an incomplete story with many plot holes.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Me too. It really takes away from the supposed nuanced nature of the series that Viv claims she is doing. And in reality is just picking one side to favor and then calling that grey.

[thinker257]

I think so too, my friend. If you don't mind, I'll add this: Charlie, after catching her breath, was in shock after that revelation. And Adam, seeing his girls wounded and killed, uses his angelic powers for two things: to drive the cannibals away from his girls (and incidentally eliminate anyone foolish enough to challenge him) and to save as many as he can. Adam fires a warning shot, destroying part of the hotel, declaring, "This won't stand," and that Princess "Peace and Redemption" will pay the price for choosing to go to war and offering angelic blood. So he decides to retreat to help the wounded, reorganize his troops, and report the situation to his superiors. And here, Lucifer ends up arriving late, so Adam doesn't get beaten up.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Charlie And Adam Should Have Had This Exchange

Act I, Scene I: The Edge of the Roof

(The sky above the Extermination is a chaotic smear of neon red and gold. CHARLIE is pinned against the crumbling ledge, the wind whipping her blonde hair across her face. ADAM has a massive, golden-gloved hand wrapped around her collar, lifting her just enough that her toes scrape the gravel.)

CHARLIE (Gasping, clawing uselessly at his wrist, her demon horns flickering in and out with her panic) W-Why… why do you do this?! The sinners down here… they’re your descendants, Adam! Your actual blood! How can you just… casually slaughter your own fucking children?!

(Adam’s permanent, smug grin completely vanishes. His eyes flare an aggressive, neon yellow behind his LED mask, narrowing into slits.)

ADAM (Huffs a harsh, mocking laugh, pulling her face inches from his) Oh, please, Princess! Give me a fucking break with the Hallmark speech. You think I’m the bad guy here? When we got kicked out of the Garden because of your parents little "gift", the whole world turned into a meat grinder.

Flashback: The First Wilderness

(The neon brightness fades into a grainy, harsh, prehistoric sepia tone. A younger, human ADAM—looking rough, bearded, and wearing crude furs—stands before a cave entrance. Inside, a terrified EVE is shielding a toddler CAIN with one arm while clutching an infant ABEL to her chest.

Roaring in front of them is a massive, monstrous grizzly bear. Adam recognizes the notched ear—it’s a beast he used to feed fruit to by hand in Eden. For a split second, Adam’s face falls into profound, heartbreaking conflict. He doesn't want to hurt a former friend. But as the bear lunges toward Eve, the hesitation dies. With a raw, desperate scream, Adam drives a crude wooden spear straight through the animal's chest to keep his family alive.)

Act I, Scene I: Continued

(The memory snaps back to the present with a harsh electric spark. Adam’s voice drops from his usual rock-star bravado into something genuinely venomous and heavy.)

ADAM I had to put a spear through the chest of a beast I used to name, Charlie! I had to watch its blood hit the dirt just so my family could survive the night! I did the dirty work. I protected my own. That is what a real fucking man does.

(He shoves her backward onto the roof. Charlie stumbles, hitting the ground hard. Adam paces, his massive golden wings flaring with angry, agitated energy.)

ADAM (Pointing an accusing finger down at her) So don’t you dare come at me with that 'descendant' bullshit! The second those souls chose to dive headfirst into the filth, the murder, and the depravity of your parents’ pathetic little playground? They stopped being my kids. They became a disease.

(He steps closer, towering over her, his voice dropping into a dark, resonant echo that vibrates through the roof.)

ADAM My real children are up in Heaven, keeping the faith and playing by the rules. The spawn down here? They’re just unrepentant trash. And I am more than happy to play the exterminator.

This is basically giving Adam actual nuanced and tragedy. He's become like this due to years of suffering and having to deal with Lucifer and Lilith's injustice towards him. If he had to protect his family against his former animal friends then he is willing to slaughter his fallen descendants to keep his ascended children safe from harm.

[thinker257]

I feel that Charlie only has one version of the story, the version her parents told her. But history always has more than one version, and we still need to see the version of Adam and Eve in Eden. And I'm not interested in the narrative of "Lucifer and Lilith misunderstood and heroes, Eve a victim of Adam, and Adam being an imbecile from the beginning." In one of my posts, I criticized the "Story of Hell," and I feel it's an incomplete story with many plot holes.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

When I picture Charlie meeting Eve, I’m picturing how Steven and Greg meets Blue Diamond.

Eve, wearing a dark mourning veil, is crying in front of a statue of Adam.

Charlie, not realizing it’s Eve, walks towards trying to be sympathetic but says the wrong thing, Eve rips off her veil and yells at Charlie.

She would say something ignorant about adam.

[thinker257]

By the way, let me tell you, I love the idea about Eva as a blue diamond and let her face Charlie for her actions against Adam, her beloved husband. I think you'd like "Now, scream" by Faberown.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Also make Eve show her the consequences her parent's gift had on her.

[thinker257]

That would be interesting, and I like that idea. I don't like AUs where she becomes friends with the Morningstars, even though they're the ones who deceived her. And besides, it doesn't make sense to me that they portray Adam as an idiot and a jerk to her from the start, considering that he and Eve were exiled and had to work together, take care of each other, and love each other for the sake of their children. I'd like the story of Eden to be more NUANCED, and not have Lucifer and Lilith as saints, or Adam as an idiot, or Eve as the victim or pure evil.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I want Adam to be someone who is whipped hard for his second wife Eve.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

This is why I don’t get @alex172006 because if Adam was this unbelievably abusive prick to Lilith, why make a whole new woman for him to abuse? Why not banish him and create another man?

[alex172006]

Banish him to where?Lucifer was banished to hell after it existed and he was the first banished angel in history, period. There was no concept of that remotly possibly in the world when it was just starting.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

They could have banished him from Eden or banished him to hell, the place did exist before Lucifer’s banishment if you read the bible.

[alex172006]

This is not the bible, this is the hellaverse universe, with its own versions of the biblical elements.

Hell only exists because of the apple incident, i don't think they could have banished Adam out of Eden either, mostly because the only reason he got banished anyway was because of the apple thing, which apparently seems to be absolutely ONLY thing that makes you get banished.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

Still, if Adam was abusive the angels would have banished him out of Eden. There was still a whole world outside of the garden but he would have to toil in the sun.

[alex172006]

You can't be sure about that at all, when the only reason they got banished was because of the apple, THAT'S ALL. Also the Angels seem to be relucant over banishing anyone else and treason seems to be the only thing that can you get banished (which is the only reason why Lute isn't even out yet, despite her clear toxic behaviour in general through out every where)

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

Eden wasn’t just floating around in the ether. Charlie stated that angels created the world, Eden was just their first home and everything was provided for them. They created Eve because Lilith left but if Adam was as abusive as Charlie was told why create another woman for him to abuse? Adam and Lilith were created at the same time, Vivi kept that part of the myth the same, they both had the same duties, they were equal in that sense.

[thinker257]

I agree with you, my friend. From what little the author said, if I'm not mistaken, she would continue the story of Adam and Eve as we know it (and Adam ate the apple), so there was no reason for Adam and Eve to remain in Eden when they were both corrupted by the same evil. The same evil, by the way, wouldn't have been unleashed if Lucifer and Lilith hadn't given Eve the apple in the first place.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

When I picture Charlie meeting Eve, I’m picturing how Steven and Greg meets Blue Diamond.

Eve, wearing a dark mourning veil, is crying in front of a statue of Adam.

Charlie, not realizing it’s Eve, walks towards trying to be sympathetic but says the wrong thing, Eve rips off her veil and yells at Charlie.

She would say something ignorant about adam.

[thinker257]

By the way, let me tell you, I love the idea about Eva as a blue diamond and let her face Charlie for her actions against Adam, her beloved husband. I think you'd like "Now, scream" by Faberown.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Also make Eve show her the consequences her parent's gift had on her.

[thinker257]

That would be interesting, and I like that idea. I don't like AUs where she becomes friends with the Morningstars, even though they're the ones who deceived her. And besides, it doesn't make sense to me that they portray Adam as an idiot and a jerk to her from the start, considering that he and Eve were exiled and had to work together, take care of each other, and love each other for the sake of their children. I'd like the story of Eden to be more NUANCED, and not have Lucifer and Lilith as saints, or Adam as an idiot, or Eve as the victim or pure evil.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I want Adam to be someone who is whipped hard for his second wife Eve.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

This is why I don’t get @alex172006 because if Adam was this unbelievably abusive prick to Lilith, why make a whole new woman for him to abuse? Why not banish him and create another man?

[thinker257]

I agree, friend. I think that guy isn't the only fan who thinks that way; imagine the AUs where they make Adam abusive (I think their hatred for the character is so great that the idea of ​​him not just being a one-dimensional evil idiot is inconceivable to them). And like you said, it doesn't make any sense, because if Adam behaved like a jerk, why didn't the angels punish him? And I don't buy that excuse that he was privileged, because if Viv said the story happens like in the Bible, then he was expelled from Eden with no possibility of returning, condemned to work himself to exhaustion, and Eve to bear children in pain.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

I mean Lucifer, Lilith, Adam and Eve were all privileged. Lucifer is always described as one of God’s brightest angels, and again what were his dreams that were so dangerous? In every room that he’s in it’s full of ducks. If Lucifer was creating monsters, I would get it. I don’t completely buy that Adam was abusive to her, they were made at the same time and given the same duties. In many myths, Lilith did raped Adam. I doubt that Vivi would do that.

[thinker257]

I understand your point and admit my mistake. I meant privileged in the sense that the angels wouldn't have expelled him from Eden, even if he ate the fruit. But both he and Eve paid the consequences of their disobedience, just as Lucifer and Lilith were banished to Hell. And I agree with you; these last two aren't the saintly doves the series tries to portray them as. I know the Morningstars' mistake (at least Lucifer's) was the apple, but it was a disaster of epic proportions, and to call it "an innocent mistake" is utter nonsense. And in Lilith's case, I don't buy that "peaceful protest" nonsense, given the chaotic nature of sinners.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

When I picture Charlie meeting Eve, I’m picturing how Steven and Greg meets Blue Diamond.

Eve, wearing a dark mourning veil, is crying in front of a statue of Adam.

Charlie, not realizing it’s Eve, walks towards trying to be sympathetic but says the wrong thing, Eve rips off her veil and yells at Charlie.

She would say something ignorant about adam.

[thinker257]

By the way, let me tell you, I love the idea about Eva as a blue diamond and let her face Charlie for her actions against Adam, her beloved husband. I think you'd like "Now, scream" by Faberown.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Also make Eve show her the consequences her parent's gift had on her.

[thinker257]

That would be interesting, and I like that idea. I don't like AUs where she becomes friends with the Morningstars, even though they're the ones who deceived her. And besides, it doesn't make sense to me that they portray Adam as an idiot and a jerk to her from the start, considering that he and Eve were exiled and had to work together, take care of each other, and love each other for the sake of their children. I'd like the story of Eden to be more NUANCED, and not have Lucifer and Lilith as saints, or Adam as an idiot, or Eve as the victim or pure evil.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I want Adam to be someone who is whipped hard for his second wife Eve.

[universallyweaselwobblermuffin]

This is why I don’t get @alex172006 because if Adam was this unbelievably abusive prick to Lilith, why make a whole new woman for him to abuse? Why not banish him and create another man?

[thinker257]

I agree, friend. I think that guy isn't the only fan who thinks that way; imagine the AUs where they make Adam abusive (I think their hatred for the character is so great that the idea of ​​him not just being a one-dimensional evil idiot is inconceivable to them). And like you said, it doesn't make any sense, because if Adam behaved like a jerk, why didn't the angels punish him? And I don't buy that excuse that he was privileged, because if Viv said the story happens like in the Bible, then he was expelled from Eden with no possibility of returning, condemned to work himself to exhaustion, and Eve to bear children in pain.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

When I picture Charlie meeting Eve, I’m picturing how Steven and Greg meets Blue Diamond.

Eve, wearing a dark mourning veil, is crying in front of a statue of Adam.

Charlie, not realizing it’s Eve, walks towards trying to be sympathetic but says the wrong thing, Eve rips off her veil and yells at Charlie.

She would say something ignorant about adam.

[thinker257]

By the way, let me tell you, I love the idea about Eva as a blue diamond and let her face Charlie for her actions against Adam, her beloved husband. I think you'd like "Now, scream" by Faberown.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Also make Eve show her the consequences her parent's gift had on her.

[thinker257]

That would be interesting, and I like that idea. I don't like AUs where she becomes friends with the Morningstars, even though they're the ones who deceived her. And besides, it doesn't make sense to me that they portray Adam as an idiot and a jerk to her from the start, considering that he and Eve were exiled and had to work together, take care of each other, and love each other for the sake of their children. I'd like the story of Eden to be more NUANCED, and not have Lucifer and Lilith as saints, or Adam as an idiot, or Eve as the victim or pure evil.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

When I picture Charlie meeting Eve, I’m picturing how Steven and Greg meets Blue Diamond.

Eve, wearing a dark mourning veil, is crying in front of a statue of Adam.

Charlie, not realizing it’s Eve, walks towards trying to be sympathetic but says the wrong thing, Eve rips off her veil and yells at Charlie.

She would say something ignorant about adam.

[thinker257]

By the way, let me tell you, I love the idea about Eva as a blue diamond and let her face Charlie for her actions against Adam, her beloved husband. I think you'd like "Now, scream" by Faberown.

[hazbin-mockpage]

They are trying way too hard to make us see Abel as “adorable”, and it completely ruined everything. I can easily tell you that I hate seeing him on-screen.

I admit, it is almost out of spite, because I hate when shows won’t even try to hide what they’re doing/aren’t smooth about it. A lot, and I mean A LOT of people loved him, because he’s a softie with anxiety, but to me, he’s just annoying. It’s yet another adult they decided to dumb-ify to the point of incompetence in the name of fanservice.

“But he’s anxious and a total pacifist, of course he’s useless in a way!” I do not care.

It happened with Lucifer, it’s happening with this guy. You are not convincing me that he’s a “cutie patootie who’s just scared of conflicts” when he’s a full grown man, involved in the idea of apologizing for genocide with treats.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Also seeing Abel protect Emily and commanding authority should win Lute's respect instead of being a misogynist. Also I would love to think he would be doing to save the girl he loves.

[thinker257]

As the saying goes, "Never provoke the anger of a patient and kind man." I feel that Abel would have his limit with Vox, and it wouldn't be that "I'm anxious because I can't do anything right and I'm a coward" excuse. Besides, you're right, he would be willing to protect Emily because of his love for her.

[hazbin-mockpage]

They are trying way too hard to make us see Abel as “adorable”, and it completely ruined everything. I can easily tell you that I hate seeing him on-screen.

I admit, it is almost out of spite, because I hate when shows won’t even try to hide what they’re doing/aren’t smooth about it. A lot, and I mean A LOT of people loved him, because he’s a softie with anxiety, but to me, he’s just annoying. It’s yet another adult they decided to dumb-ify to the point of incompetence in the name of fanservice.

“But he’s anxious and a total pacifist, of course he’s useless in a way!” I do not care.

It happened with Lucifer, it’s happening with this guy. You are not convincing me that he’s a “cutie patootie who’s just scared of conflicts” when he’s a full grown man, involved in the idea of apologizing for genocide with treats.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

He could have been a pacifist and badass who does stuff to defend the ones he loves. Guy was a shepherd and sacrificed a lamb. He shouldn't be a wimp. He should be one who sweetheart with a tough center because he was raised on a primitive earth and it would be funny if he could have super strength.

[angelcakes1947]

A pacifist that is a badass. Here is a good example.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Gohan is the goat.

[thinker257]

If you want a man who doesn't hesitate to fight but still retains his kindness, even compassion for his fallen enemies, you shouldn't forget Tanjiro Kamado. While the idea of ​​a vengeful Abel isn't bad (Saffiro AU is my favorite), I'd prefer to see an Abel who, although it took him a very long time, managed to forgive Cain (obviously he didn't forget what happened, but he knows that living with hatred imprisons you in an abyss of pain and misery). But let's not forget that he's a strong and capable man who wouldn't hesitate to protect his loved ones if things got tough. A warning not to be deceived by appearances and that kindness in a person is not weakness.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Awesome

[thinker257]

Another idea I had was Vox trying to catch Emily with his cables, only for Abel to hold him down with superhuman strength. Then Vox wrestles with a 10,000-year-old human (and Vox is losing). Vox yells at Abel to let go, and Abel obeys, causing Vox to trip. Abel then takes advantage of the situation to catch him with his own cables. "It's not fun being caught in wires, is it, young man?" Abel says in a calm voice but with a serious expression. "Although I may look young, I have years of experience and I'm not as helpless as many people think. If I were you... Vincent, I'd quit now before someone less compassionate than me comes along, and believe me, Michael isn't in the mood."

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I don't know if I reblogged this one but even if I did this rewrite of the finale is awesome and has Abel actually do something rather than rely on misogyny. Treating a guy who looks young but has eons of experience and won't hesitate to put you down like the predators he defended his sheep from. And young man is an extra insult since Vox died in his fifties and reigned in hell for 7 decades but this guy is showing where he is chronologically compared to him.

[thinker257]

Thank you so much. I wanted to show that despite Abel's concern at seeing Emily almost caught by Vox, it triggers a protective instinct in him. Also, you're right, Abel may have died as a young adult (in his twenties), but compared to Vox (died in his fourties o fifties), he's much more experienced and mature. Believe me, I prefer anything to Abel insulting Lute to get him to go back to Heaven.

[thinker257]

Hi, sorry for the delay, a promise is a promise. These are some of the AO3 fanfics I recommend with their respective authors:

Faberown

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

Akukami64

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

https://archiveofourown.org/works/54140866 (Uncle Adam)

https://archiveofourown.org/works/78813696 (Cleaning up your mess) CrimsonFucker05

https://archiveofourown.org/works/56100985 (A Father's Wrath)

DragonTamer901

https://archiveofourown.org/works/75583436 (Please No)

https://archiveofourown.org/works/80227331 (Wolves Among Sheeps)

DragónCelestial(DragonCelestial)

https://archiveofourown.org/works/78753056 (He always come back)

Alucard_Vampiry

https://archiveofourown.org/works/57279514 (Consequences)

KrisR121

https://archiveofourown.org/works/71259901 (No more mercy)

https://archiveofourown.org/works/56289751 (the Flowertunes Shop)

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

Tomer3392

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

RagnarWukung102

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

SinisterCat686

https://archiveofourown.org/works/64027744 (Hell is Falling)

SkilledWarriorKiwi

https://archiveofourown.org/works/66370801 (Hell Hath No Fury)

LordofInterest678

https://archiveofourown.org/works/79181151 (Nothing But Revenge)

Derpmaster9000

https://archiveofourown.org/works/61157476 (A leader who cares)

Likeamothmantoaflame

https://archiveofourown.org/works/65727721 (Mark of Cain)

Michael_Afton_The_Menace

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

LordToady https://archiveofourown.org/works/64698583

(The Farmer and the Gardener) Unfortunately, Tumblr has a limit on the number of links it allows, so I can't post as many as I'd like. Warning: Most of these stories contain scenes of death, violence, and content unsuitable for all audiences (the links also include the author's warnings). I recommend reading them with discretion. If you are under 18, skip this post. Also, Hazbin Hotel is (or appears to be) a show for adults, although its execution is terrible.

Well, I tried to include as many authors as possible. If I'm missing an author, you can write it in the comments. What do you think? Please be respectful. Good night to all.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Charlie Can't Ignore The Fact Her "People" Are Hurting Others And Have Bringing Misery For Eons (And Can't Blame Heaven For How Things Are)

The main thing is she needs to stop seeing sinners as just people who make mistakes but shitty people who revel in hurting others and exploiting them especially in a setting that allows free range. And now the exterminations are gone that means more people keep their power and they now once again can freely terrorize. A lot of people won' entertain redemption if it means giving up their power to exploit. They rather rule in hell where they can cause misery at the expense of others rather than improve and join heaven. She needs to stop having her rose tinted view of her people blind them to how monstrous they can be and be the one to put a stop their operations. If exterminations aren't a solution then you need to be the instigator of justice to stop your vulnerable citizens from being taken advantage of by the overlords. I mean girl you have several overlords in your group who have enslaved people even other members of the hotel you are oblivious the horrible company you have. It also means you have to take charge of your friend group as well.And get her mentality to blame heaven for everything is bs as well. They didn't create this system your parents and sins did. So, hold your folks accountable especially Lucifer. Stop that bs about being mean because if you are really going to do change then allowing an exploitative system to thrive is unbecoming of a leader who just wants false peace and naive attempt at getting people who don't deserve it a chance to redeem themselves.

[thinker257]

The concept of redemption is great; I even loved Zuko's arc in ATLA, Hunter's in The Owl House, Nolan's in the Invincible series, and Peridot's in Steven Universe. But in Hazbin's case, redemption is either relegated to the background or completely disastrous. Perhaps there are sinners who do deserve redemption (and want to improve), but that's not very evident throughout the series. Angel Dust was only looking for a place to escape Valentino, but he started seeing the hotel as his second home until Charlie brought Vox and Velvete, friends of his abuser. Sir Pentious did something noble, I acknowledge, but I would have liked to see his story in the first season and see him interact more with the group, as it felt rushed and not very organic. Please don't criticize me. Furthermore, I see sinners with a thirst for war at the beginning of the second season, and then I see that they do it to go to Heaven after seeing Sir Pentious, not because of genuine change. Perhaps Charlie needs to see that her people can change, and that's good, but she also needs to recognize that not everyone will want to change or won't be able to because of their contracts. And that her methods aren't effective at helping sinners.

[thinker257]

You know, I was thinking of this funny scene from The Simpsons where Adam, Abel, and Eve dance to "You Don't Win Friends with Salad" and Cain is grumpy (moments after the offering), but it would be "You Don't Win God's Favor with Salad." 😅 Credit to the video creator.

[thinker257]

Clarification: I only presented a humorous hypothetical situation😅. I apologize if my first reblog seemed insensitive. But seriously😔, I'm familiar with the popular mythical interpretation, and I know that according to some interpretations, Abel offered the best of his flock of sheep while Cain did not give the best of his crop. I don't know Cain's reasons, but I suppose he was confident that his offering was superior because he was the firstborn of humanity's first parents, while Abel was the second son. What a surprise he got when God accepted Abel's offering instead of his own. Obviously, this will lead to the first death and tragedy in the entire first family. 😭 Whay do you think? Please be respectful in the comments section. I will not tolerate arguments with others.

[thinker257]

You know, I was thinking of this funny scene from The Simpsons where Adam, Abel, and Eve dance to "You Don't Win Friends with Salad" and Cain is grumpy (moments after the offering), but it would be "You Don't Win God's Favor with Salad." 😅 Credit to the video creator.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Adam after Eve gets pregnant. "Sera, sex makes babies!" Sera. "Uhh... I'm well aware...."

Learn something new everyday

[thinker257]

Adam asked Sera, "Wait, how will the baby come out if it's inside Eve's belly?" Sera, nervous, said, "Soon... you'll find out. Pregnancy lasts nine months, and Eve is in her fifth month." Then her voice softened, and she returned to a calmer tone. "Adam, Eve will need you. In her current state, she's vulnerable. You must be careful with everything she eats and avoid lifting heavy objects. The baby is also small and fragile; you must be careful." Adam spoke, "I'm... nervous. It's the first time there will be another human, and I don't know... what I'll do. What if I do something wrong... and lose the baby and my wife... I... I'm afraid... what if the baby grows up and my child ends up hating me for condemning them to this ruined world... I..." Eve gently held his hand. "My love, don't be afraid... this is new, but together we can handle it. I'm sure you'll be a great father, just as I'll be a great mother. You were my rock in Eden; let me be yours here... I'm sure our boy will love you, and nothing will change that..." Sera looked at them. With joy, I left them so they could be alone. Eve's words lingered in Adam's mind; his beloved wife was right, they had to be strong for their unborn child. Even he was surprised that Eve knew their baby would be a boy.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Wow. That is a lot of expectations to g9ve to the absolute first ever dad in the world. You have to set the standard.

[thinker257]

I imagine that for any parent, the birth of their child is the most exciting thing, and the pregnancy should be as carefully managed as possible; any complication is terrifying😰. So imagine how the first parents felt. Neither of them were children. So knowing they were responsible for caring for a small, helpless being who would take a long time to talk and walk was new to them. And if we add to Eve the power to know her baby's gender, we have a reference to Cain 😉😉. After the first birth, they were able to relax a little. Adam, don't worry, your child will love you and won't be a disaster because of his resentment and his envy in the future...right?! 👀 👀

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Angst just angst.

[thinker257]

Angst is my favorite food. 😅Relax, but seriously, parenthood is crazy🤔, and Adam and Eve had a lot to learn. At least with Seth and the 50 children in total, they were a bit more experienced and learned from their mistakes.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Adam after Eve gets pregnant. "Sera, sex makes babies!" Sera. "Uhh... I'm well aware...."

Learn something new everyday

[thinker257]

Adam asked Sera, "Wait, how will the baby come out if it's inside Eve's belly?" Sera, nervous, said, "Soon... you'll find out. Pregnancy lasts nine months, and Eve is in her fifth month." Then her voice softened, and she returned to a calmer tone. "Adam, Eve will need you. In her current state, she's vulnerable. You must be careful with everything she eats and avoid lifting heavy objects. The baby is also small and fragile; you must be careful." Adam spoke, "I'm... nervous. It's the first time there will be another human, and I don't know... what I'll do. What if I do something wrong... and lose the baby and my wife... I... I'm afraid... what if the baby grows up and my child ends up hating me for condemning them to this ruined world... I..." Eve gently held his hand. "My love, don't be afraid... this is new, but together we can handle it. I'm sure you'll be a great father, just as I'll be a great mother. You were my rock in Eden; let me be yours here... I'm sure our boy will love you, and nothing will change that..." Sera looked at them. With joy, I left them so they could be alone. Eve's words lingered in Adam's mind; his beloved wife was right, they had to be strong for their unborn child. Even he was surprised that Eve knew their baby would be a boy.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Wow. That is a lot of expectations to g9ve to the absolute first ever dad in the world. You have to set the standard.

[thinker257]

I imagine that for any parent, the birth of their child is the most exciting thing, and the pregnancy should be as carefully managed as possible; any complication is terrifying😰. So imagine how the first parents felt. Neither of them were children. So knowing they were responsible for caring for a small, helpless being who would take a long time to talk and walk was new to them. And if we add to Eve the power to know her baby's gender, we have a reference to Cain 😉😉. After the first birth, they were able to relax a little. Adam, don't worry, your child will love you and won't be a disaster because of his resentment and his envy in the future...right?! 👀 👀