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Hi, this is my info. My pronouns are she/her. I'm from 🇦🇷. On my blog, you're allowed to: post HH and Epic headcanons, and possibly other fandoms, write critics, and also ask questions. However, it's not allowed to come to the blog and talk about politics (trust me, I don't want a Trojan War; if it happens, I'll block you). Insults and people who come here to fight are also not welcome. This is a blog for giving opinions; we may not always agree, but I hope you understand why I say this.
Why is IMP killing innocent humans played for laughs but Adam and Lute killing sinners played for horror?
In Helluva Boss (S1E3), The spring breakers technically did nothing wrong. All they did was party on a beach. Sure, they were stupid and making bad choices but that doesn’t mean they deserved to die. In S1E4, the people who were watching the opera absolutely had nothing to do with the beef between IMP and the Cherubs. They just got killed by stray bullets from Millie and Moxxie. Those human were basically collateral damage. Yet no one (show or fandom) seems to condemn IMP for this.
Instead of, everyone hates Adam and Lute for killing humans who are already dead and chose to be evil and unrepentant which landed them in Hell in the first place.
In my opinion, killing a innocent human (who probably had their whole lives ahead of them) on earth is way worse than killing an immortal soul who has already lived their life and committed severe atrocities throughout their lives.
@almacambiondaughterofsaleos @thinker257
I couldn't agree more. There's also the way they're handled. In the case of IMP, they die in an over-the-top way; they're not given time to feel fear. While some deserved it—Marta and her family, the evil scientist, the incestuous father, and the repulsive CEO—there were others who didn't, like the ones you mentioned, and Mr. Wiggles, who died in the most grotesque way possible, and he was just a father looking after a bunch of orphans. In the case of Adam and Lute, the creators rub it in our faces that extermination is wrong, as if we couldn't figure it out. In the trial, they show shadowy figures of sad demons and smiling exorcists. Then, in Sera's confession, they focus on that too. And to top off the bad joke of making us feel sorry for the "poor sinners," Vox shows images of suffering sinners and cruel exorcists. If both universes exist and Viviziepop condemns the Extermination, why doesn't she condemn what IMP did to the humans who were still alive? The answer is clear: the protagonist's perspective. Blitzo is a killer, so according to Viv, it's okay for him to do his job, and Adam is the villain, the one who opposes the good and sweet Charlie, regardless of the fact that he is the father of humanity and lived long enough to see his descendants fall into sin and watch his son Abel die in the cruelest way at the hands of his own brother. According to Vivziepop, Adam is bad because... I don't know, he's the representative of the patriarchy, and he doesn't deserve to be humanized. Hypocrisy at its finest? Obviously, yes.
And worse blitzo actually kills innocent people unlike adam. F that noise trying to make sinners like they are innocent the majority are scumbags who show no remorse and are monsters i say the excorcists get a chance to revel in giving these pos justice.
Another point to add is that both shows involve the killing of children, and the series takes a different approach. In the case of IMP, the original pilot showed Eddie being killed without him being able to feel fear or cry, and then his body was dismembered and given to his mother, who was weeping to find him. That was incredibly cruel to remember. But in the case of Adam and Lute, Vaggi was punished for not killing a "child," but if children don't go to hell and he was a cannibal, we can assume the worst. Anyway, the point is that the scene with the crying "child" is only there to portray Vaggi as "sympathetic" for forgiving that "child," when she never showed mercy to other sinners before (since Adam called her "his best girl," so she did kill several sinners before) and to demonize Lute and Adam (instead of violently punishing Vaggi, they could have taken her to court for disobeying orders)
Why is IMP killing innocent humans played for laughs but Adam and Lute killing sinners played for horror?
In Helluva Boss (S1E3), The spring breakers technically did nothing wrong. All they did was party on a beach. Sure, they were stupid and making bad choices but that doesn’t mean they deserved to die. In S1E4, the people who were watching the opera absolutely had nothing to do with the beef between IMP and the Cherubs. They just got killed by stray bullets from Millie and Moxxie. Those human were basically collateral damage. Yet no one (show or fandom) seems to condemn IMP for this.
Instead of, everyone hates Adam and Lute for killing humans who are already dead and chose to be evil and unrepentant which landed them in Hell in the first place.
In my opinion, killing a innocent human (who probably had their whole lives ahead of them) on earth is way worse than killing an immortal soul who has already lived their life and committed severe atrocities throughout their lives.
@almacambiondaughterofsaleos @thinker257
I couldn't agree more. There's also the way they're handled. In the case of IMP, they die in an over-the-top way; they're not given time to feel fear. While some deserved it—Marta and her family, the evil scientist, the incestuous father, and the repulsive CEO—there were others who didn't, like the ones you mentioned, and Mr. Wiggles, who died in the most grotesque way possible, and he was just a father looking after a bunch of orphans. In the case of Adam and Lute, the creators rub it in our faces that extermination is wrong, as if we couldn't figure it out. In the trial, they show shadowy figures of sad demons and smiling exorcists. Then, in Sera's confession, they focus on that too. And to top off the bad joke of making us feel sorry for the "poor sinners," Vox shows images of suffering sinners and cruel exorcists. If both universes exist and Viviziepop condemns the Extermination, why doesn't she condemn what IMP did to the humans who were still alive? The answer is clear: the protagonist's perspective. Blitzo is a killer, so according to Viv, it's okay for him to do his job, and Adam is the villain, the one who opposes the good and sweet Charlie, regardless of the fact that he is the father of humanity and lived long enough to see his descendants fall into sin and watch his son Abel die in the cruelest way at the hands of his own brother. According to Vivziepop, Adam is bad because... I don't know, he's the representative of the patriarchy, and he doesn't deserve to be humanized. Hypocrisy at its finest? Obviously, yes.
honestly I'm quite pissed off at Charlie's development
Seriously she's not even growing as a character, she's regressing
The moment Erika said that Charlie will go back to being a "sad little girl that wants her mother's aproval" I just lost faith in her character
Which sucks because I was so excited to watch Charlie grow from being Hell's doormat to being able to assert herself and be taken seriously by proving her father wrong.
But no, she's just an childish disney princess thats too much of a pacifist and lets herself be mocked or ridculed by lesser beings
as we like to sarcastically joke, Charlie Morningstar evolves, but she evolves backwards
I see Charlie taking one step forward only to do three backward somersaults in evolution 😂
Imagine Adam and Lute meeting famous or historical winners (human souls in Heaven) like Bob Ross, Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Abraham Lincoln, Rosa Parks, Elvis Presley, Harriet Tubman, Albert Einstein, etc. I think that would be a great way to show one of the reasons why Adam and Lute hate sinners and is willing to do what needs to be done to protect Heaven.
I love the idea. Another thing I thought about is that while the exorcists would be a secret army, they could blend in with the people and be civilians (just like the police) to avoid raising suspicion, and they could talk to the winners from different eras (especially the famous ones you mentioned). Imagine hearing about times of oppression, slavery, wars, and crimes on Earth affecting not only adults but also children, teenagers, and the elderly from different cultures, ethnicities, and religions. That would upset anyone, especially the exorcists, and above all, Adam, the father of humanity, who would no longer see the sinners as his children but as "monsters" who hurt his true children. But I highly doubt Vivziepop will do it, since that would be giving Adam and Lute some credit, and she prefers to make them one-dimensional villains so that Charlie can shine.
Okay, so I’ve gone a bit into detail about Cain’s abilities, but here’s the ideas I’ve got for what his siblings can do:
Aclima: She’s honestly the least flashy of the group, mostly relying on intense physical and combat prowess (with a heavy preference for glorious melee) supplemented by the innate ability to pull from an armory of 777 holy weapons and armor she’s collected over the years in the blink of an eye, essentially having premade kits for any conceivable battle situation there is that she can mix and match. Her sort of “ultimate technique” sees her flying up into the sky before summoning every weapon at her disposal to rain down and destroy all that lies beneath her.
Abel: Despite having grown to loathe fighting and violence and generally sitting on the sidelines, Abel is a respectable combatant and rather skilled at handling a shepherd’s crook to turn away and beguile whoever he’s fighting without risk of seriously injuring them. When backed into a corner though, his real power shines, that being able to summon the flock of heavenly sheep he tends to, which are individually powerful in their own right as well as being able to “link up” their wool to create powerful constructs.
Seth: A wise man with an inquisitive mind, Seth has spent a great deal of his time in Heaven combing over every time, scroll, and tablet he could get ahold of in the pursuit of knowledge. To this end, it’s little wonder that he is a great and mighty wizard that wields divine magic that approaches that of a Throne, with a predilection for spells involving trappings of the mind, time dilation, and holy fire.
BONUS: Azura: Unlike her husband and in-laws, Azura isn’t a combatant by trade, choice, or necessity, instead being beholden to phenomenal healing and empathetic powers she cultivated under the Archangel Raphael that she utilizes to ease the pain of newly ascended souls that led troubled lives or suffered violent deaths. That said, her “aura of health and calm” does have a dramatically different effect on anything demonic in nature, specifically that it burns and corrodes anything of Hell on contact.
Hi, sorry for the delay, I had a very long day. I loved your take on the sons of Adam and their fighting skills, and it's so interesting (especially Abel; I don't like that everyone assumes Abel is "weak" because of what was shown in Hazbin Hotel, but we have to admit he's a shepherd and lived in a difficult time, so of course he knows how to fight, especially to protect his flock). You're a great writer! 😉
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The Entertainingly Detestable wiki highlights the double standards Hazbin Hotel operates on (Part 2).
Let’s do Adam vs. Vox this time.
1. Vox is sympathized with and Adam is dehumanized
When Vox gets rejected and ridiculed by Alastor, it’s planted in a sympathetic light. Like the show encourages you to feel bad for him. But that’s incredibly ridiculous after you look at Vox’s past.
Before he even meet Alastor, Vox was a serial killer who claimed at least 8 victims just to climb the media hierarchy when he was alive (and yes, I counted). And expressed absolutely no remorse for it. His rejection should not have been played for sympathy. It should have been played for karma.
Watch the music video and count for yourself: https://youtu.be/GJQpBUcKhTk?is=euQP32KsIMlZEhui
Meanwhile any potential tragedies from Adam’s background is stripped away to keep him completely irredeemable. Adam is the First Man. His wife, Eve was tempted by Lucifer, he lost Eden, he lost his son, Abel to murder which was committed by his other son, Cain, he loses Cain to banishment, and he had to watch humanity descend lower and lower into corruption. And yet all the show does is depict Adam as this toxic and sadistic monster. He never got any soft/emotional moments that lasted more than a few seconds. Even then, his soft moments (like his affection towards Lute) is kept as minor or minuscule moments.
Pay attention to the length of the video and how long both soft or emotional character moments last.
2. Vox is allowed to have “valid points” but Adam isn’t
Vox is praised for calling out Heaven’s actions and standing up for the sinners even though it’s very obvious that he’s only doing this to achieve his own goals. Vox does not care about the sinners whatsoever. He’s just using them to further his own agenda.
However, Adam is never allowed to have point once. Instead, his reasoning for being against Charlie is because he finds killing sinners to be entertaining. Never mind the fact that the majority of sinners are filled with complete scumbags who have never shown any remorse for their actions. Never mind the fact that countless sinners (like Vox) have produced victims who are probably living in Heaven right now. Never mind the fact that the show has shown sinners killing and eating each other in broad daylight. Never mind the fact that most of them had decades or centuries to reflect on their actions but chose not to. But yeah, I’m sure you get I’m trying to say. Adam is technically correct when he said the sinners had their chance to be better. Adam is portrayed as this sadistic manic just so Charlie doesn’t have to answer difficult questions about redeeming sinners.
3. The Redemption Double Standards
Vox is allowed to be a serial killer on Earth, brainwash Angel Dust into being a spy which traumatizes him so badly that he decides to return to his abuser out of guilt, and nearly destroy the pentagram just to kill Alastor and still be set up for a “humbled” arc/possible redemption arc in season three.
While on the other hand, Adam is killed off and denied any chance at having any scene where he reflects on his actions. Instead, he’s executed by Nifty as a joke and demonized by the narrative just so the protagonist’s moral superiority goes unchallenged.
Keep in mind that Vox has never once apologized for anything he’s done after he was defeated. Not even to his friends. Instead, he has the audacity to ask about his approval rating. Why does Vox have the potential to be redeemed but Adam was just a lost cause? It makes no sense.
The Hellaverse has a real favoritism problem and it’s hurting the story of both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss.
@almacambiondaughterofsaleos @thinker257
Links: https://entertainingly-detestable.fandom.com/wiki/Vox
So, I was playin' this gig, and for some fucking reason this virtue chick was digging on the drummer, and it's like, do you know who I am? I
Trust us with your everything!Vox's catchphrase and VoxTek's motto. Vox to the other Vees about his end goal to rule both Heaven and Hell, r
I agree with you again, my friend. It's also worth clarifying that Charlie chose to fight Adam in the hotel battle, which was avoidable if Sera had stopped Adam or if Lucifer had intervened earlier instead of at the last second. But for that to happen, Charlie should have warned him. I'm fed up with people justifying the battle as self-defense when she could have taken another option, like the "pacifist" one she claims to be. Instead, she chose the most violent and worst option (using cannibals). A sensible person from Heaven wouldn't trust her or her group knowing what she did. Aang is a better pacifist than her. Even when he had Ozai at his mercy, he chose to spare his life, but he didn't let his guard down and took away his powers so he could never hurt anyone again. Furthermore, none of his friends tried to kill Ozai; instead, they put him in jail. But anyway, back to the original show, the same Charlie who was capable of stabbing Adam opted to make a plan with drawings to stop Vox 🙄🙄 and didn't even use her demonic form to stop the weapon or help Alastor in the fight and make Vox stop the weapon, or at least use her magic to protect "her people" from the beam. She only remembered her powers when Emily used her Seraph magic to stop the weapon. And Charlie, being the naive girl she is, believes it was because of the "power of friendship" that everyone came together, when obviously the Overlords didn't want to die. But anyway, my point is how the protagonist prefers to fight when it's the angels who oppose her (especially if it's her mother's ex, demonized in her bedtime story), but she doesn't care enough about the actions of sinners to put a stop to them when things get out of control (she did nothing when Vox openly declared war on Heaven and instead chose to yell at her father and girlfriend). So, what do you think of what I said?
The Entertainingly Detestable wiki highlights the double standards Hazbin Hotel operates on.
Here why’s. Let’s do Adam vs. Valentino.
1. It manipulates sympathy.
Valentino gets humanized by season two. The wiki states that Valentino gets played for minor sympathy because he’s hurt that Vox is ignoring him. The sexually abusive Overlord gets handed emotional framing. While on the other hand, Adam’s humanity gets erased. Adam expressed genuine affection for Lute (he fist bumps her to congratulate her, he smiles at her softly before he dies), but it’s ultimately dismissed by the narrative and the wiki to make him 100% hateable. The wiki states in the “What Makes Him Detestable?” section that he constantly insults and mistreats Lute. Valentino has literally destroyed Velvette’s property, attacks Velvette and Vox’s assistants in childish/violent fits, and threw a glass cup at Vox’s face in anger yet Adam (the literal Father of Humanity) is the only one who’s deprived of sympathy.
2. The “Laughably Evil” label
The wiki proves that the show sanitizes the abuse of Valentino with its description of Valentino’s season 2 moments due to being a favorite character.
A direct quote from the wiki:
“He becomes very laughably evil, especially in the second season. One of his most memorable moments is when he yells at Vox with a working-class accent... comically hit him and break his screen."
Valentino’s violence and narcissistic tendencies is framed as dark comedy. He’s allowed to torture Angel Dust in one scene and be funny in another because he’s a stylish, marketable demon sinner despite opposing the main cast. Adam has comedic moments but it’s never treated with affection because he opposes the main cast but he’s not a stylish, marketable demon.
Notice how Adam’s (left) description of comedic moments is far less detailed than Valentino’s (right)
3. Valentino benefits from plot protection
The conclusion of Valentino’s entry in the wiki is horrific.
“After Vox's defeat, the 666 News paints him as the sole savior of Hell, and he becomes the new CEO of VoxTek, with Angel Dust returning to work under him..."
Vox gets taken down, but Valentino gains more power and Angel Dust is back in his clutches. Valentino contributed to the near destruction of half of Pentagram City and received little to no punishment for it. So he technically got rewarded for his actions. Adam dies a pathetic and brutal death and gets mocked while the unrepentant serial rapist gets to be the new boss of an empire and takes full credit for saving Pentagram City.
It seems like actual committed atrocities don’t matter as long as you are a favored character and considered “funny”.
@almacambiondaughterofsaleos @thinker257
Links: https://entertainingly-detestable.fandom.com/wiki/Adam_(Hellaverse)
✓ Valentino is a major antagonist in the adult animated musical dark comedy series Hazbin Hotel, serving as a major antagonist in Season 1 a
So, I was playin' this gig, and for some fucking reason this virtue chick was digging on the drummer, and it's like, do you know who I am? I
I applaud your amazing arguments. And I couldn't agree with you more. I was only surprised (in a worrying way) by how some people actually like Valentino and even justify him when he's just a spoiled, abusive jerk (of the worst kind), and his most well-known victim is Angel Dust, one of the main characters. If they defeat him, they save Angel, but after that, Valentino has nothing to contribute to the plot. In Adam's case, he has much more to contribute in the plot: he's the oldest human being, he's known the Morningstars from the beginning and witnessed their betrayal, he lived in Eden for a short time before losing it and living on Primal Earth with his many children and his wife, watching as sin increasingly corrupted his descendants, and he worked hard to reach Heaven, since it wasn't because he was "the favorite" (not even angels control judgment to ascend to Heaven). Furthermore, Adam could have been a more interesting antagonistic force, showing why he so fervently opposed redemption instead of something as simple as "it's entertaining." Examples of this could have included the attack of sinners and demons on Earth or the irreversible damage the sinners inflicted on the winners. In fanfiction, at least, Adam is explored and given more nuance.
Really? Are we seriously comparing Blitzø to Cinderella right now? The woman was abused and humiliated by her step-family and she was going to the ball just to enjoy herself. What's Blitzø's excuse?
Yo ví esta publicación en X y dije: wey, no.
Cenicienta fue sirvienta de su madrastra y hermanastras, el hada madrina le da ropa bonita para ir al baile y enamorarse del príncipe que la libera al buscarla gracias a que a ella se le cae la zapatilla de cristal.
En las siguientes películas muestran a Cenicienta incómoda tratando de acostumbrarse a su nueva vida como esposa del príncipe y ayudando a su hermanastra Anastasia a ser mejor persona para poder ser feliz con el hombre que ama y desafiando a su madre.
O de que su madrastra roba la varita del hada madrina para cambiar la historia y deberá luchar para recuperar su vida y al príncipe.
Blitzø conoce a Stolas de niños y aunque es mostrado como un recuerdo "tierno" es en realidad trata de personas (o de un Imp pequeño en este caso). Convivieron por un día y veinticinco años después se reencuentran cuando Blitzø va al palacio de Stolas a robar el Grimorio, pero el pajarraco pensó que fue para violarlo...
Stolas, ¿Qué carajos pasa por tu mente? Y se supone que él es "víctima" de violación por Stella y eso lo dijo de "broma". Blitzø le da lo que quiere por lástima, sin imaginarse que sería su condena porque Stolas le impondría el trato de tener sexo cada luna llena por el "préstamo" del Grimorio, luego es tachado como el "malo" por no aceptar los sentimientos del búho UwU y lamentablemente es lobotomizado para "amar" al plumero con patas. Todos olvidan que Stolas lo trató de la mierda y que tenía todo el derecho a no corresponder.
Repitan conmigo: Cenicienta y Blitzø NO se parecen. Cenicienta SÍ tiene a un hombre que de verdad la ama y Blitzø fue SATANIZADO Y LOBOTOMIZADO para estar con su abusador
Otra cosa que agregar a Cenicienta 3 es que el príncipe sabe cuando tiene a la persona indicada de frente. Por ejemplo cuando bailo con Anastacia no sintió nada, incluso si fue afectado por el hechizo de la madrastra. Y cuando se da cuenta que Cenicienta era la chica con la que bailo (por aviso de los ratones) entonces el va a buscarla antes de que se vaya de su barco y cuando se tocan las manos es que el sabe que ella fue la persona con la que bailo y se enamoro, rompiendo el hechizo. En casi el final, él se da cuenta que la Cenicienta vestida de novia (Anastacia) es falsa y Anastacia al final se niega a casarse con él ya que como le dijo el rey el amor es un sentimiento hermoso que no se debe forzar y Anastacia solo quiere ser amada de verdad, a diferencia de su madre que tanto quería que su hija se casara con el príncipe por el estatus y poder que representa.
{Wrote this based on fight that sinner Adam had with Lucifer, LOVE your posts! Sorry, if it’s not good, I made this on my notes app.}
[Charlie somehow got both Eve and Lucifer in the same room, hoping that they could “apologize and maybe become friends” after all these years. Her dad was hesitant about the idea but agreed nonetheless. She gathered everyone in the hotel, including the newly sinner, Adam to watch the moment. Little does she know about what would unfold.]
Lucifer (Gripping his hat to his chest, voice low): Eve, I feel bad for what happened back then… With the forbidden fruit.
Eve (Emotionless, raising a eyebrow): So, you’re apologizing..?
Lucifer (Showing a small, hopeful smile): Y-Yes, I’m sorry for doing that you.
Eve: Ok, I don’t forgive you.
[His smile immediately drops, maybe he heard her wrong.]
Lucifer (confused): Eve, I said I'm sorry.
Eve (turning away from him): Yeah and I do NOT forgive you.
[The years worth of guilt felt heavy in his chest, like a anchor pulling him down into a bottomless pit.]
Lucifer (slowly walking up to her): Look, I understand your anger but-
Eve (snapped head back at him, eyes blood red with rage): YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND MY ANGER!!!
[Her voice shook the room, causing a few glass items to crack. Silence filled the room once more.]
Eve (Tears running down her face): If you did… YOU wouldn’t be right now. And by the way, I never forgave you all those years ago… So, DON’T expect me to forgive you now, you monster…
[Eve fades into the darkness without a another word, leaving him alone with his guilt thoughts, teleporting away while putting back on his hat. Charlie and the others (except for Adam) were stunned in shock and fear from what happened in front of them. The first man was the first one to leave to search and comfort his wife.]
{I hope you like it and get all the references!}
Like that only adam would understand her.
Hi, I loved @chaotic-ghost666 idea, so I decided to add a hypothetical dialogue. Adam: "Eve, honey, are you here?" Adam sees Eve sitting down. Adam approaches carefully: "Can I stay here?" Eve doesn't say anything but nods silently. Adam takes a seat and notices a certain familiarity. Eve: "Do you remember this place? It was here where we made our first home. It's not like that pompous palace those idiots had, but despite the hardships, it feels cozy, don't you think?" Adam: "Yes, this was our home, and we watched our little ones grow up. Being parents was crazy, wasn't it?" Eve: "I remember everything about our children, both the good memories and the painful ones"—she shows an illusion of an angry Cain while Abel is sad, and Adam is surprised and saddened by the memory—Cain: "Are you saying you lost paradise because you ate that damn fruit? What the hell were you thinking? We could have lived without problems, and I wouldn't have had to work like a donkey if you hadn't listened to those idiots!!!" The illusion of Cain turns and says to Eve, "I hope you're happy about your 'free will' , mother, because we're all doomed because of you." Adam tries to reply, but the illusion turns and says, "And I hope you're happy too, Father, because it's also your fault we're in this place. I'm leaving." Abel's illusion follows Cain, trying to speak, but it all fades away. Eve, after a period of silence, speaks to Adam: "I remember you and I argued when we told them the story of Eden, because I was worried about their reaction. But in the end, you said we both ate the fruit because of the Morningstars' deceptions. It didn't make sense to blame each other, and I believed you since they filled me with lies to make me disobey our Creator. *Sigh*... You must admit that Cain was right then... I was the fool who listened to the Morningstars, and out of fear of losing you, I made you eat the fruit. If it weren't for that, you and I would never have lost our Paradise, Cain would never have experienced anger and would never have killed Abel, and we would never have seen our children suffer. And now you've fallen from Heaven's grace after so long. Sometimes I wonder if it would have been better if you had never eaten the fruit and had stayed in the paradise with another wife who hadn't been corrupted. Perhaps it would have been better if you had let me rot with my sin." Adam embraces her and says gently, "Eve, my little rib, I never regretted being by your side. I am your husband, and you are the love of my life." Eve returns his embrace, and Adam calmly says, "I too decided to eat that fruit, just like you. The blame for our children's fall is also mine. Cain said all that out of anger. While it's true we would have lived in Eden, that would have been temporary, since the angels revealed to me that they were preparing us to live on the primordial Earth when we were ready. Furthermore, we strived to guide our descendants, and some of them reached Paradise. And it seems the daughter of those fools wants to help. She's a little disoriented, but if one soul could ascend, perhaps all is not lost for us. You don't have to carry all of this alone. I'm here, and I assure you that neither Heaven nor Hell will ever be able to separate us again. Evie, my beautiful wife, loyal and fierce as a lioness, I love you with all my heart, and I will never leave your side." Moved, Eve replies, "I love you with all my heart too, Addy. You are strong as a rock, and whenever I leaned on you, I never fell in the turbulence of this life, and you're as loving as a giant teddy bear. Lilith can keep that clown Lucifer, I choose you a thousand times over." And in the end, they kiss, unaware that the Hazbin group went to look for Eve and Adam. For the dialogue (except for the ending), I based it on the scene with Pearl and Steven from Steven Universe, and for the Cain scene, I based it on the scene from the novel Genesis. I hope you like it.
Adam, Eve & their kids (my ocs)
Alright, so, here are some random facts from my AU:
Cain’s greatest passion in life is plant husbandry… Too bad part of his curse entails that any attempts to cultivate plant life means they will simply decay away in short order. This has caused him no shortage of grief in his life and was a major contributor to his depression over the years. The closest he can do to gardening these days is mowing the lawn and as such he’s pretty damn protective over his yard.
Given his curse “negates death”, Cain can’t get drunk under the principle alcohol consumption could lead to alcohol poisoning, thus it simply dissipates in his bloodstream upon consumption. To this end, Cain has gotten… creative with his drinks of choice, mixing up cocktails using whatever he’s got under the sink and letting it dissolve his innards just to feel something.
Okay, so my plan for the First Family kids goes that Cain is the oldest with Aclima being his younger twin sister by a few minutes, while Abel is roughly two years younger than them and Seth is roughly 18-19 years the twins’ junior (he was a baby when Cain murdered Abel and was subsequently banished). Beyond the core four, Adam and Eve had quite a bit of kids beyond them, though I can’t say there are any plans to spotlight them.
On the subject of early man here, my idea was that Adam, Lilith, and Eve were meant to be the template by which the rest of humanity would have been created. After The Fall the plan kinda had to be implemented with less than ideal materials and that’s how early man came about. It’s here where we get the likes of Azura (who comes from a clan of early humans that were on friendly terms with the family).
In keeping with the musical theming of Ad and Abel, the rest of the family have genres they’re associated with, those being Country (Cain, in keeping with his earthy connections), Punk Rock (Aclima, who takes the most after their father), and Psychedelic (Seth and Azura, who are both deeply introspective and philosophical).
Bonus: Eve/Roo has a fondness for Sea Shanties and it’s probably the last thing any soul unfortunate enough to reach her end up hearing.
Ira, Cain’s first wife in this AU, and Enoch both managed to make it to Heaven after their respective deaths. While the latter managed to ascend to the position of Metatron and is one of Heaven’s highest ranking officials, the former joined in the battle against Hell during the Antediluvian War and unfortunately suffered her final death at the hands of a demon lord. So, yeah, even if Cain made it to Heaven he’d never reunite with his wife and his son is too busy to properly reunite with.
Given Adam’s connection to the animals of the world back in Eden and the changes brought on by The Fall, putting meat on the table was pretty daunting starting out. Ultimately, he did manage to harden his heart and resolve enough to hunt for his wife and kids, but all acts of butchering were left to Eve, who took to doing so with unnerving ease. That said, Eve did hunt every so often and when she did it was quite the sight as she had the tendency to stalk prey until it couldn’t run away or fight back, all the while never breaking eye contact.
On a similar note as the above, Eve was the parent the kids feared catching the ire of the most, not because Adam was particularly lenient, but rather because his punishments insured his kids never made the same mistake twice, whereas Eve’s made them regret ever doing them.
Finally, the last thing I wanted to note is that, for better or worse, Charlie actually reminds Cain of Ira, which contributes considerably to his mixed emotions on the Princess.
👏👏I loved everything you wrote, it's a fantastic headcanon. I also realized we agree on some things I'd thought about: the order of the boys (I'm still undecided about whether to have Seth born at the moment of the murder or 100 years later, maybe less), Azura's origin (I had thought of her as Seth's wife but not Adam's daughter; I based it on Saphiro's AU, but to be honest, I had no idea how she would be created), and the war (I have this idea that it happened before the flood, since the angels had to seal the entrance from Hell to the human world until Asmodeus' crystals appeared, but I haven't explored it much 😅). By the way, I like the idea of Eve as a mother you don't want to upset (kind of like Lois from Malcolm in the Middle). Keep up the great work
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Remember that post I did about Lilith, "fall little Eve, bird fall"? It occurred to me that for Eve (being Roo), the song "Die for Me" by VIllain Wendy would be perfect. And similar to Wendy, Eve loves Adam madly (and that, plus Roo's effect on her, the fact that God told her she would feel desire for her husband, and that Eve doesn't want Adam to leave her again), gives you the perfect recipe for Eve to want Adam to be corrupted by evil just like her. But in the end, she backs down in a final moment of humanity, since being corrupted by the same evil was horrible for her, and she doesn't want her husband to go through the same thing.
Chump Vaggie Looking Like A Sociopath When Adam Was Stabbed Vs Chad Gangle Having Mixed Feelings On Jax Abstracting Even Though He Was An Abusive Pos To Her
You know it never has sat well with me how Vaggie looks so happy seeing Adam getting stabbed by Nifty. Because it reeks of narrative hypocrisy that it's bad for Adam to take glee in killing rapists, sex traffickers, arsonists, serial killers, gangsters, enslavers, cannibals, and other sort of scumbag yet we have to think Vaggie is justified in looking sociopathic when her former boss is killed off. It really shows the narrative has a black and white position that the heroes do things it's justified but if a villain does it it's good. Overall, Adam's death doesn't feel cathartic but a product of a biased and mean spirited narrative that demonizes a figure in Bible theology that doesn't deserve it and makes Vaggie come off as a b word. It's a series that wants to claim it's about redemption but closes it on a character the narrative has a hate boner for and yet thinks the dredges of hell deserve it more. However, Gangle's tears over Jax reflects the series' nuanced depiction of an abusive figure who has hurt and harassed her in the past. However, she still thinks it's tragic he abstracted and is even validated for her mixed feelings. It feels more justified than Vaggie's joyful glee at Adam who is just made to be a one note strawman for the bs that sinners are entitled to redemption regardless of what they have done. Jax, however, is made to be a bad person with a tragic past and we are allowed to see how all the others are negatively affected by it even if they didn't like him. That's not the case with Adam where everyone is callous about his death because the narrative thinks everyone is better without him even though he's the first man and when you think about it he shouldn't be portray unsympathetically due to the baggage he's had to go through when you remember the Bible. I think the biggest difference between how these demises were handled and the reactions is because one was treated with the levity it was and the other was treated like a cheap pandering self-indulgent thrill. I still feel impact on how Gangle reactions while I want to slap Vaggie hard despite how Adam abused her because she comes off as just as bad as him.
I can't talk about TADC's handling of abuse, since I haven't watched it, so I'll focus on the Hazbin side of things:
I think a big reason why Adam's doesn't come off as cathartic is that not only is there very little focus on how Vaggi's time as an exorcist hurt her via something like implied trauma responses before the reveal, but even after the reveal, the show never opens up that much about what life as a soldier was for her. You can assume her strong loyalty to Charlie is rooted in her soldier background, but the story just treats her like a regular old devoted lover, who just sometimes goes overboard. It only touches on how this mindset makes her feel bad once before we get to the end of the first season where the story is having another even more poorly written character basically tell her that making another person into your life's purpose is great actually and then her overly-devoted behavior never comes up as a problem again. Husk doesn't even bring up how she seems to have no wants or goals outside of Charlie and what Charlie wants when he's info dumping about what the issue of each person at the hotel is, which makes me even more convinced that the writers don't think that's a big character flaw.
We don't even see how Adam personally abused her until season 2 in a really short flashback, and he is shown to have abused her alongside Lute, who Vaggi was willing to spare, so now we as viewers are left wondering where is Vaggi's line? When is murder too far for her?
She's happy to see one abuser die, but the other one living is fine even though the abuser Vaggi spared has been shown to be more bloodthirsty than the one who died to the point that the dead abuser told the surviving abuser to tone it down???
It's not like Vaggi couldn't have known Lute was that bad, in which case I'd cut her some slack. Season 2 indicates her time with Lute even before being kicked out of the army was traumatic, so she knows Lute is a cruel person and let her live to presumably keep abusing any soldiers who didn't die in the season 1 battle. The narrative never really thoughtfully delves into Vaggi's mindset regarding murder, so her reaction to Adam's death never has the chance to become cathartic even on a rewatch; it's just confusing from a character writing standpoint
I'd have loved to see Vaggi have complicated feelings about Adam that got explored. Like for example maybe she's glad that him being dead means he can't hurt her or her new friends anymore, but to her he also represents an era of a more simplistic view of life she had before she started questioning her society and got cast out. So she can feel relieved, but won't feel too happy about his death because him being dead brings into focus all of the good parts of life she lost again. There's a part of her mind that wonders if maybe he could've changed if he'd lived. If maybe the people who hurt her could go on to be better than what they were before the way she did, if only she'd let them live in their broken,defeated state and be forced to grow from that instead of killing one of them. If by killing him instead of sparing him, she's just left a space for an even worse person to take his spot. Those sort of deep, hard to easily answer questions.
Unfortunately, that sort of character exploration requires the narrative to care about Vaggi's non-Charlie thoughts,and that's not happening anytime soon
This. Adam's death is to just hammer to make it like he's getting his just desserts. It's just to again give into Viv's agenda of her hate boner for the first man. And Vaggie is just a tool to be used for her shallow bashing of him.
Another opinion I'll add is that I saw a series that better portrays how you react to the death of someone who was a complete wretch. I watched Zerocalcare's latest series. I won't give away any major spoilers; see it for yourselves—it's on YouTube, there are some clips (I watched it dubbed in Spanish; the original language is Italian). None of the protagonists (not even the killer) seem happy, nor is there a single broad smile; in fact, there are many reactions. Perhaps this is because Zerocalcare's series demonstrate something that Vivziepop needs to improve: believable human reactions and endearing, relatable characters.
