(formerly certainstudentbelieverlove) Athena, 24-year-old idiot/lh She/he/they/zhe/þhe any except it/its pronouns are fine!! Also this blog will contain mildly nsfw content now bc i'm a grown adult & also heehoo sex funnee
Something I’ve been thinking about is whether us as the player are actually Kris’ soul, or if it’s a bit more complex.
In the prophesy, the Cage is described as “having human soul and parts,” possibly implying that the soul is part of the Cage.
Maybe we are the light held inside the soul instead of the soul itself? This could be supported with how much the soul’s light is referenced in closing fountains and defeating the titan, not to mention the whole “there’s a light inside your soul” part of Don’t Forget. I think the soul itself is Kris’ original soul, but we were somehow implanted into it?
Reading fanfiction where Simon gets fished out of the blood ocean so he can live a long and happy life in the human terrarium on Erid with Grace while shaking my head to indicate that I know his death is an essential part of what makes his story so compelling and that I appreciate the well crafted tragedy of the iron lung movie for what it is
writing a canon divergent fix-it fic while also shaking my head to show that i actually really like the canon's tragic narrative and am not trying to say i think it would be better if canon was like this
look I’m too tired to explain this properly but when you erase the humanity of the scummiest people on the planet you erase the fact that the all those shitty, shitty things were done by a person. a real human chose to do those things. you erase humanity’s capacity for evil. you misrepresent reality. that’s…really not good. at all. and in addition to that dehumanization as a tactic has always been used against marginalized people - to harm and kill us in vast numbers - and turning it against bad people is also just pushing the idea that it’s an okay rhetorical tool to use, and that will always end up harming marginalized groups
Saying, “those people aren’t human; they’re monsters,” both avoids placing blame for how they got that way, and abdicates responsibility for making changes in the future to prevent more people from being like that.
Assuming that “rapists are monsters” means not blaming parents, schools, and the media for teaching boys that “a man’s got needs and it’s a woman’s job to provide sex!” It means pretending that there’s no way we could discourage rape in the future, no way to teach young men not to become rapists.
It also dodges the question of whether some of them could be redeemed, whether they could learn to understand what they did wrong and not do it in the future. But even if you don’t care about criminals’ redemption possibilities, you should care about creating a society that produces fewer criminals.
And we can’t do that, if people claim that criminality is a matter of “evil souls” instead of a combination of societal influences and personal choices, and how people learn to be criminals (or “monsters,” who may be doing horrible things that aren’t technically crimes) based on the consequences provided - or not provided - for their early actions.
It also neatly sidesteps the idea that you or someone you know can do shitty things. This is bad for victims, for two reasons.
The first is that it isolates victims and keeps them from being believed. “My best friend has been accused of rape? Well, the accuser must be lying, because rapists are horrible monsters and my friend is a wonderful person, therefore they can’t be a rapist.”
The second is that it keeps victims from realizing that they are victims. “My girlfriend can’t be abusive, because abusers are monsters and my girlfriend isn’t a monster. I must just be overreacting.”
if I said that the way some people in the phm fandom treat rocky swearing is telling of attitudes towards esl speakers in general and I actually don't like it at all
oh and also another hot take thats not a hot take its just a fact the mcu is american imperialist and us military complex propaganda. if you look the villains they're all people who want to change the status quo and the heros are usually people who want to keep the status quo. (which is a pretty cheeky way to spit in the face of civil rights revolutionaries. this doesnt have any solid evidence im just pointing out a pattern) (btw im not counting civil war for this one because tony stark in the mcu is pure military and billionaire propaganda and the sovika accords are basically stripping the rights away from minorities and is pro government surveillance and the russo brothers basically admitted to changing the script to make the audience more 50/50 split between teams (both teams were wrong btw. perish) so if you're on team iron man, congrats you're probably not immune to propaganda. or u dont understand the implications of making minorities like the mutants give up their privacy or just dont care which uh okay)
you can also look up mcu propaganda for articles like this: https://www.yipinstitute.com/articles/how-do-the-marvel-movies-promote-the-us-military
oh and also! one way to spot military propaganda in movies. if it has military stuff in it at all (if its live action) "In fact, in exchange for use of their weaponry, Marvel studios had to make sure their script was fully approved by the Pentagon, which led to a few lines being cut from the original script. In fact, the author of National Security Cinema stated that “without the Pentagon’s support it is possible that the Marvel Universe wouldn’t have become the world’s biggest film franchise."
yeah that? if youre using military stuff in ur live action movie and need the military to fund it, they need to approve it. its all propaganda folks 😭😭 "Chances are if a film or TV Show is using military equipment in the show, the show is being partially funded by the Pentagon and other branches of the Department of Defense. This is because movie studios get to use the military equipment for free if the Pentagon approves of their script, which does not seem too bad money-wise. " (both of these are quotes from the articles i linked. look into it if you want, its pretty interesting)
anyway yeah i dont know how to end this, do ur own research kids im just a person with a internet access!!!!!! dont feel guilty about liking the mcu but please acknowledge that it is propaganda and remember kids! dont fall for shit bye!
Don’t handle black characters the way SU does though. Garnet literally falls under the mammie stereotype, the stoic savage stereotype and has no moral agency apart from Steven, The al lives matter white protag.
Shit, the way things are going, racial slurs, racist jokes, and the N word have become socially acceptable too. The bar, already in hell, has gone lower and still!
honestly you don't even have to answer, i'm just processing as i read your takes. you deserve a break from this that lasts forever
Hi.
I want to preface this by saying that I read all of your posts that you've left in my inbox since the following day, and I wanted to take the time to respond a little more intentionally since you gave such varied thoughts.
Of all the thoughts you've given me, the one I've decided to directly respond to is probably the first one.
i guess my biggest issue with your takes is that i disagree on a foundational level that the narrative does anything to excuse jax, in fact, it's nothing but incriminating, and that's on purpose. it's been on purpose from the beginning. i don't think that jax is shown any forgiveness in the entire show, and i don't think the show even implies that she deserves it. i don't understand where people get that idea from, just because she receives care from the others. doctors in the ER don't forgive everyone that comes in. that'd be a waste of time. they just dispense care. and there's less than 20 people on "earth", all but 6 of them are unfit to help. i have genuinely been trying, and i've been ingesting critical posts carefully, but i just can't understand interpretations that suppose that jax has been excused or forgiven
I wouldn't be a critical blog if I didn't take the time to address this sentiment, because while I understand the answer to this question, it's healthy to write down this explanation concisely. At some point when you repeat something enough, it begins to lose its flavor, and you start to forget why you're even saying it in the first place.
Since reflecting on this ask, the show itself, and even the conversations I've seen going around TADC spaces, my own opinion has since evolved. As such, I've decided that I will be explaining how TADC goes from DISMISSING --> to EXCUSING --> to JUSTIFYING Jax's behavior throughout the course of the show.
So let's discuss.
TW: SA MENTION, SUICIDE MENTION AND DISCUSSION, GENERAL VIOLENT AND BIGOTED THEMES
"How Does The Narrative Justify Jax's Behavior?"
I'm going to break this argument down into three layers, with each layer being less direct than the last. We will be going over Scenes from the show itself, then Framing, and lastly the show's Conclusion. At the same time we will be referencing Gooseworx's own statements, and I will also be doing a comparison to Bojack Horseman, because I feel that show provides the best example of what I'm talking about. It is important to consider ALL of these elements combined when analyzing this argument, as while some points may seem weaker or insignificant on their own, it is THE SUM OF ALL PARTS that matters most. We have to take a step back and look at the full picture here.
So without further ado...
SCENES: IT WAS JUST A JOKE...UNTIL IT WASN'T
Probably the easiest batch of evidence we have are many direct scenes within the show itself.
When we talk about the narrative, we have to think of it as a tool, an entity even. The narrative is the tool of the narrator, and it is the strongest tool a writer has to convey complex patterns of thought that there just aren't words for. The narrative is also an entity, that says who and what goes.
In every episode, there are multiple moments where Jax antagonizes members of the circus, namely Gangle and Zooble. With Gangle, there is of course the gag of breaking the comedy mask repeatedly, but also physically shoving and pushing her, and constantly seeking her attention and involvement. Zooble and Ragatha are often collateral, usually being hurt or inconvenienced by Jax's antics as biproduct.
Now, when I initially watched this show, I hardly took these actions seriously, and chalked it up to nothing more as "cartoon shenanigans". While the setting and reactions of the characters fueled this belief, the narrative itself treated these scenes as just that and nothing more. In every single one of these instances, we move on from the pain that Jax causes almost instantly, with hardly any character acknowledging his behaviors unless they're directly affected. It's light banter, and at best, the narrative DISMISSES his actions. Whatever Jax does has no real consequences that carry on to the next episode, or they can be instantly fixed.
Jax's actions have no bearing on the plot.
Jax can do no harm.
Until...he actually kinda does.
As the show progresses, we get to see more and more glimpses of the psyche of the other characters. Namely Gangle.
In Episode 6, Gangle has a conversation with Zooble where she expresses fear at angering Jax for not picking them as her partner to play. Earlier, when the game had been announced, Jax had grabbed Gangle first and tried to walk off with her before she pulled away. She tells Zooble that Jax will "probably make it hurt" and expresses feelings of dehumanization brought about by his repeated and consistent abuse.
Remember these concepts: REPETITION and CONSISTENCY.
Another moment in this episode to speak about is Ragatha's confrontation with Jax. As Jax and Pomni get separated, Ragatha tells Jax she knows what they're up to hanging out with Pomni, and alludes to Ribbit. As a result, Jax shoots her to near oblivion. There is an irony in this scene where, earlier, Jax had been encouraging Pomni to let loose and not to think about the real world logistics of shooting a gun. However, the way that Jax shot Ragatha was VERY real; from the way her body jerked around from the impact, and the way her stuffing flew all over the place like a certain crimson bodily fluid.
Gooseworx had mentioned in a post before that she initially planned for Ragatha to have plush organs. Given the amount of times that Ragatha is stabbed, tortured, and generally tossed around, this scene could have been far more grisly.
And yet...
Jax's actions have no bearing on the plot.
Jax can do no harm.
Do we ever discuss how Ragatha felt being assaulted by Jax multiple times? Do any characters directly call out Jax for his abuse of Gangle bringing her to the point of being placed out of her humanity? Do the other characters find out the truth of Ribbit?
No. It is completely dismissed. Despite the stakes changing drastically, the show treats these moments as the exact same when it comes to plot weight. We get a brief establishing glimpse, and then we move on. Whatever consequences that may occur are quickly forgotten about, or resolved fairly quickly (often off screen).
At best, the narrative DISMISSES Jax's behavior. But as we start to delve deeper into the layers of the writing, this dismissal becomes something much more sinister.
It becomes an EXCUSE.
FRAMING: WHO IS TELLING THE STORY?
As someone with autism, one of the problems I often run into is that when I am told or feel prompted to explain my behavior, people assume I am giving an excuse. And I think to myself, well that's not fair at all! I'm merely explaining why I did what I did, or what happened. It is very frustrating, but these moments have given me a lot of insight as to what often causes this miscommunication.
What is the difference between Explanations vs Excuses? The answer is Framing!
Let's say you're told to watch an expensive vase for a friend. While watching the vase, you go and close an open window, and upon walking back you bump into the vase and it shatters. When your friend asks you what happens you have two general options...
"I bumped into the vase by accident."
"The window was open! I had to close it and then I shattered the vase by accident!"
Now, one of these is an explanation and the other is an excuse. It's important to note that excuses CAN INCLUDE explanations.
If you said that the first is an explanation, and the second is an excuse, then you would be correct. Why? The first statement is an explanation of what happened, it is a direct and logical argument. The vase shattered because you bumped into it by accident, simple. While tone and sentiment can be important to help sway the hypothetical feelings of your friend, you explained exactly what happened.
On the other hand, the second statement is an excuse because it is providing irrelevant information. One has to consider that it was possible for you to close the window and NOT shatter the vase. Because there is no correlation between these two events, you are making an excuse. Now if instead it was...
"The window was open! A bird flew through and I tried to shoo it out, but I knocked the vase over by accident!"
That's yet again another explanation. The presence of the bird is in direct correlation to the vase shattering, because you were in a panic. Now sometimes, people may argue that that is still an excuse and those people are assholes. While Explanation vs Excuse can largely be up to interpretation of the person you're talking to, the distinction to be made between the two is CORRELATION. This is a principle of Framing.
So, returning back to TADC, let's talk about the Framing. The scene I will be citing strongly, is the conversation between Ribbit and Jax.
For starters, a very obvious detail that must be pointed out is that this scene is from Jax's perspective. We will never know the true extent of how Ribbit felt before or leading up to this, again, the narrative deems it irrelevant. What we DO see is Jax explaining to Ribbit how they believe they killed their mom. Despite Ribbit showing Jax nothing but understanding and kindness, Jax begins to retract after this moment of vulnerability and drives Ribbit to suicide. This is something that can not be debated, as the exact wording "drives Ribbit to suicide" is something that Gooseworx confirmed recently in some hypothetical canon art she posted of Jax.
But how is this moment framed? Why is it excused?
Well that's simple. There is no correlation between any of the information that Jax has mentioned and his behavior towards Ribbit. When Jax first arrived in the circus, there were only 4 other members: Ragatha, Ribbit, Kaufmo, and Kinger. We see many scenes of them treating Jax with appreciation and comfort, inviting Jax on adventures and taking them around the circus to fun hangout spots. Jax had no reason to treat Ribbit with animosity, an animosity that extended to directing Kaufmo and Ragatha's behavior towards Ribbit as well.
This particular treatment is something that Jax has not experienced...really at all. And it is not treatment that can be inferred or even speculated either. You could if you really wanted to, but there is something even deeper at work here.
Now we can finally discuss how the show JUSTIFIES Jax's actions.
THE CONCLUSION: INTROSPECTION...? HARDLY
For this part of the argument, I am going to now introduce the Bojack Horseman reference I spoke of earlier.
Bojack Horseman is a character and show that has been floating around the TADC critical spaces for a bit now, especially now that the show has concluded. Bojack Horseman is a six season sitcom about a washed up sitcom celebrity star navigating the latter portion of his life. Bojack Horseman is self-destructive, egotistical, aggressive, and abusive. He is an absolute scumbag from as early as the first episode where he is actively sleeping with his agent: Princess Caroline.
Around the time that Bojack was still being actively produced, a lot of fans of the show had expressed their love and admiration for Bojack as a character. There was a certain portion of the fanbase that praised Bojack for being a brilliantly misunderstood character, a tragic anti-hero within his own life. Those people...completely missed the point of the show. So much so that the writers DIRECTLY called these people out in Season 5 EP 10, using Diane as their mouthpiece.
"That's not the point of Philbert. To watch it and 'feel okay'."
Throughout the series of Bojack Horseman, we learn...pretty much everything we could need to know about Bojack's upbringing. His rough and abusive home life, his early dependency on alcohol, and even the implied physical and sexual abuse that he went through. From a young age, Bojack learned about interaction and relationships through the television. He lives his life as a sitcom constantly, and became mentally stunted at the age he first debuted on TV.
As we finally get to the first half of the sixth season, it seems as though Bojack has come to a thorough understanding of why he is the way he is. He seems to understand who he is. Both his parents are dead, he has a stable relationship with his half-sister Hollyhock, he's quit his substance abuse, and has devoted himself to helping out the newer generation of the acting community. Most of his formerly abusive and toxic relationships he has ended or improved; namely with characters like Todd, Diane, and even Princess Caroline.
And this seems to be a good thing. It seems that Bojack has finally done the introspective work to unpack and dismantle the layers of his toxicity. The inciting incident for Bojack to finally take rehab seriously was when he strangled his coworker on Philbert: Gina. Everything should be fine because Bojack was abused...and became an abusive person....but now that he's made amends with that abuse and cut off the people/stressors that aggravated him...he's doing fine.
Right?
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Enter Biscuits Braxby.
Now the show does make a point to say that one of the main motivating factors for Biscuits' second interview with Bojack was purely for the ratings. But we can't let a sentiment like that distract us from the very revolutionary concept that Bojack Horseman gave us.
Biscuits interviews Bojack twice.
The first interview, is one that I would say is akin to what many people seem to take away from Jax's character. It is the story that the narrative went with, tragic as it is, and that is the fact that Jax could not help being all of the things that were done to him. Jax is...a culmination of all the moments of repression, of never stepping in your identity, of not knowing the right choices to make and even when in possession of that knowledge, still being scared regardless.
In our first Bojack interview, Biscuits does a very good job of making Bojack look like a good person. She asks all the right questions about all the tragedies that have occurred throughout the series; namely Sarah Lynn's death, which in this interview, is framed as something that happened TO BOJACK. Her tragedy is what allegedly made him want to turn his life around, even amidst all the mistakes, it stuck with him. While he admits to the wrong that he's done and the mistakes made, the emphasis is on how he's a better person, on his introspection and growth. While Jax's story is far more tragic, that is what the show decides to go with as well. The framing is eerily similar when you consider Ribbit's suicide.
But then Biscuits interviews Bojack a second time, and that's when shit gets real.
The second interview is a lot more direct. Rather than starting with the vague questioning from earlier, Biscuits gets right to the point and immediately interrogates Bojack on how he brought alcohol to the set of Horsin' Around. She pushes further, carving out the trend of the many female characters Bojack has had inappropriate interactions with throughout the series; from helping a teen mom sneak into a house party to dating a woman who had just woken up from a 30 year coma.
The story of Sarah Lynn is tragic, but it is not just a tragedy, it is a pattern of behavior. A pattern of abusing women and manipulating them through intense power dynamics. A pattern that even Bojack hadn't recognized himself. Why?
Because it's the one pattern he couldn't blame on someone else.
And we realize, in this moment, that Bojack actually HASN'T done the introspective work, that there's still layers deep to his psyche that he hasn't bothered to unpack, and in one afternoon all of his progress is unraveled. Because it was never really progress, he never really dug that deep.
Hurt people can hurt people, yes this is true. But when we talk about deeply systematic issues like misogyny, ableism, and of course racism, it's a little deeper than that. The fact is that there's no one incident that can make you bigoted, that's just not something you can blame on someone else. In order to be a systematic abuser, you have to REPEATEDLY and CONSISTENTLY engage with rhetoric. Likewise, in order to unlearn these behaviors, you must do the same.
When I look at Jax from The Amazing Digital Circus, and I look at the conversations that surround them, I see a lot of people looking to excuse or even explain the bigotry in a multitude of ways, and none of them address the sentiment that you just don't become bigoted because something bad happened to you. You just don't.
As a Black AND Trans individual I refuse to acknowledge that as a valid argument because it reinforces the burden of marginalized people to be kinder or nicer to their oppressors to avoid being oppressed. That if one of us is rude or cruel then it sets ALL of us back. It's ridiculous, it's exhausting, it's incel behavior. What would I want to do with a person like that anyways? What good does it do for me to have someone in my circle that's only an ally if I'm nice to them?
BONUS ROUND: THIS IS NOT INCRIMINATION
I wasn't initially going to add this part, but as I was rereading your ask there was something you said that was very concerning to me, and I wanted to address that also.
You said the narrative is incriminating, but this is not true. The narrative at no point acknowledges the full extent of harm that Jax has done, without performing any of the previous three tactics. Additionally, however, there is something else the show does that is horrific, and sadly it is once again about Gangle.
In Episode 9, Pomni enters Jax's mindscape after they abstract. Jax's mindscape is filled with many doors, and behind each of these doors is a fantasy scenario in which Jax is torturing or assaulting a member of the cast; Zooble, Pomni...and Gangle.
Gangle's fantasy is one where Zooble has abstracted. Gangle is wearing her manic mask and bossing everyone around, similar to her behavior in Episode 4, to ensure that Zooble's funeral goes on successfully. Jax approaches wearing the maid dress, claiming to be wearing it in solidarity of Zooble's "freaky gender thing" before approaching Gangle and flirting with her.
When Jax is asked to explain the archetypes of the cast, he describes Gangle as "submissive and agreeable". Throughout the show, Gangle is generally a very meek and timid character, who rarely stands up for herself unless in certain instances (ie. wearing her happy mask or wielding a tommy gun). This is the version of Gangle that Jax is most familiar with. The Happy Mask wasn't introduced until Episode 4, as Zooble had had the mask in their room up until that very moment.
So this fantasy...is a recent development. In fact, you could argue that at least two of them are, as Jax had never seen Gangle's other mask before, and Pomni had just got there.
Something else to note, however, is that in this fantasy, as Jax is coercing Gangle to come to his room, she breaks. When I first saw this scene I was completely disgusted. She breaks and admits that she hates him, to which he responds by giving her the key to his room and walking off.
This is a fantasy. Jax believes Gangle is meant to be submissive and agreeable. And yet, in his own mind, Gangle is fighting back against him, against herself and the part of her that hates him. This internal struggle is something that Jax thought extensively about, and it has horrific implications. Jax always wants to be around Gangle regardless of the adventure, he always wants to have some form of control over he (ie. Candy Carrier Chaos and They All Get Guns) and they want her to fight back, but only a little. The break down is integral.
And Pomni witnessed this. She witnessed this and said absolutely nothing, and did nothing. Just like with Ribbit's suicide, the rest of the cast will never know what Jax truly thought, felt, or did. That was SUPPOSED to be a moment of incrimination, but it wasn't.
It just wasn't.
CONCLUSION: WHAT WE LEARN
The show concludes Jax's arc two ways. We get a conclusion for Jax's digital self, and we also get one for Jax's real world self.
In the digital world, the cast makes a shrine for Jax, modeled after Kinger's theory that the darkness calms down the abstracted victims. Does he make this shrine for his own wife, or even coworkers? No. They go in the glass aquarium like they're fish. Jax does get special treatment even while being abstracted, and as they prepare the shrine and mural, Gangle has yet again another moment where she reflects on Jax.
Earlier in the episode, when Jax had first abstracted, Gangle was the only one to have a unique reaction to the news. She expresses that she can't cry for him, that it's hard to feel bad, and that she doesn't know what to think. This is, of course, a very valid sentiment to have given the abuse he subjected her to. But as she looks at the shrine, a single tear finally sheds. Without saying anything, this moment is meant to speak volumes. It is a moment of reconcilliation and understanding, of forgiveness and willingness to let bygones be bygones.
In actuality, there are quite a lot of moments throughout Episode 8 and 9 where the cast forgives Jax. I mean we can't forget the "iconic":
This being in direct response to Zooble wanting to address Jax's behavior as of late when being told they all need to coexist and comfort each other, after realizing they can probably never leave. It's just not true, not even remotely. No one else in the circus is sexually harassing Gangle, or has pushed not one but TWO members to suicide. No one even comes close, so it can only serve to REDUCE the impact of Jax's actions even further.
This is dismissive. This is excusing. This is justifying.
And by the end, they are all brought to the final stage: forgiveness.
TADC episode nine needs a flashing lights warning but does not have one. The amount of flashing visuals can kill someone and I experienced sickness from watching even on a small screen and with other lights on. I feel like no one is talking about this as much as it should be talked about. Seizures can kill via SUDEP, and other photosensitive symptoms like auras and migraines can be triggered by this.
If I had any warning, I would have chosen to not watch it at all. There's other episodes that need flash warnings that don't have them, but I can't think of them right now due to still being effected.
But what do I expect from a studio that uses strabismus/crossed eyes/lazy eyes to communicate lack of intelligence/a joke character/intellectual disability more than once. Both TADC and Gameoverse does it. There's probably a lot more ableism in TADC than people talk about.
Mm. You would be right about that.
Other ableism includes:
Kinger’s entire character.
Scratch’s brain tumor being a plot device for why everything is his fault.
Gangle’s Bipolar Disorder showing up for one episode and then disappearing again.
The abstraction/suicide metaphor.
And probably moreeeeee…
That aside, I’m still very sorry to hear about what happened. My partner has a similar condition and it’s very annoying to be thrown into a hazard like that with no warning. :<
like ultimately i do find it kinda crazy that everyone let themselves be retroactively convinced that all steven universe discourse boiled down to was people wanting steven to kill the diamonds when in reality the show repeatedly did multiple forms of anti-black racism in VERY similar ways as something like homestuck did and people rightfully had issues with that. so much steven universe discourse gets boiled down to pointless kid fights and i feel like its almost an active attempt to keep people from talking about the actual issues the show had when it came to characters like Bismuth or Ruby or The diamonds, or the ableism found in characters like Peridot.
i find the way this website reacts to art analysis and criticism so strange because its almost seem as gauche to directly engage with and consider the fact that art is made by real modern people and is made up of their choices and world views. criticism is viewed as an attack, or a cancelization. which then doesn't allow people to ever actually communicate about tbe very real problems presented within the art. i like steven universe! i am a steven universe fan! i would like to actually talk about the matefial that was made but if you even so much as bring up the weird writing choices people act like youre one of the Stevens Knife people and i think thats tbe stupidest way to engage with any piece of art ever.
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