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The Definitive Yog-Sothoth Evidence File
Anyone who knows me knows that I have been unwell about this for over the course of two years and I’ve finally complied all the evidence into one neat dossier. I am the yog truther supreme, walk with me.
The Theory
Yog-Sothoth has a presence within the wider Malevolent narrative. I claim no further prediction on how he’s going to be incorporated but his involvement is strongly implied and I believe it may come to a head in Malevolent: Threshold.
Who is Yog-Sothoth?
Yog-Sothoth, Past, Present, Future, the Lurker in the Threshold, is a deity within the Lovecraftian and Call of Cthulhu universe. He is often depicted as a huge sticky mass of orbs that pulse with oilslick lights. He is an Outer God, one of the most powerful beings in existence, rivaled only by Azathoth himself, and often thought to be locked outside of existence, existing in the places Inbetween, cursed to only watch and never interact. He functions as the connective tissue of the universe, is coterminous with all of space and time, and thought to be omnipotent and perhaps benevolent. Or at the least, uncaring. He does seem to show a soft spot for sorcerers and will bestow spells and mystical knowledge among those he deems worthy of it. His avatars take the form of Aforgomon, the Time Eater, and Tawil at’Umr, The Guardian of the Ultimate Gate.
The Evidence
The story begins with a gateway. Opened by Antoine de Foile in the basement hall beneath the house at 58 Pelican Lane, a gateway was opened, intended for another. Here, the King in Yellow was initially fractured and trapped within a book by Anna Stanczyk, an event that kickstarted the entire series. Gateways are by no means exclusive to Yog-Sothoth, as Kayne can open them at will, but this is likely because they are both Outer Gods and at a higher power threshold than others we have met. It is also possible Kayne can only move through dimensions thanks to the information he gained from touching the Greystone but the specifics of this are largely unconfirmed (Intermezzo 13:30). We do know, however, that Lilith, a Great Old One, (Threshold 1, 36:34) outright states that she is unable to open portals and travel like her father can (Part 59, 1:07:35). This is evident from the fact that she is forced to seek the aid of the Fake Edward William Allan (FEWA) to free her from the Nightmare Realm, as well as co-opting Kayne’s portal to Frangland instead of making her own. The King in Yellow, also a Great Old One, also requires the thin spot present on the Plateau to open the gateway to Addison, implying his control over the gates is also finite.
The gateways may be a strech or coincidence, but Yog-Sothoth’s presence has already been confirmed within canon, at least as an entity that exists within the narrative. In Part 8 (19:50) right after John reads out “The King in Yellow” from the book annotated by Sarah/Amanda Cummings, a sound like a PA chime plays, and then quietly in the background, a garbled message plays that reads:
“Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth's fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread.”
This chant originates from Lovecraft’s story The Dunwich Horror, translated from Latin by Wilbur Whateley (more on the Whateleys later) from within the Necronomicon.
The chant also appears in the non-canonical Malevolent trailer titled: A Message for You. “But worry not. You will learn exactly what it means to be malevolent. See you soon.” (2:40). The chant plays for a moment before the spot ends.
Symbology has always had its place in malevolent, and it’s highly possible we have already seen Yog-Sothoth’s symbol. The symbol etched into the floor in the secret room at Marie’s (which contains the desiccated body of FEWA) is described as “circular, with a pattern that repeats into its center” (Part 32). This symbol is also found on the bestiary, (which also sports Shub-Niggurath’s symbol among four others) as well as the floor of the barn at the farm where the “Tear” is. Three instances, two of which were known locations where gateways were summoned, whether they were successful or not. (Note also that at both scenes, the skull of a rodent was present and likely a necessary component of the gateways FEWA was conjuring.)
There is a possible connection to Aldrich Ward, who is revealed later to be one of if not the only face behind the smuggler persona of Charon. Within the Call of Cthulhu grimoire, Charon is a moniker that can be called upon during a ritual to summon Yog-Sothoth ( p38). The surname Ward is also present in Lovecraft’s story, The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, which is the first of his works to introduce and heavily feature Yog-Sothoth.
For those familiar with the work, Larson’s Child, otherwise known as the mines monster from Addison, bears a striking resemblance to the Dunwich Horror, a creature born to Lavinia Whateley through the machinations of her father, the creature’s grandfather, Wizard Whateley. The father of the Horror is none other than Yog-Sothoth. (Note, The Dunwich Horror is eventually defeated by Henry Armitage, who appears in Part 2. With a return to Arkham, we may consult him again and learn more about his dealings with the Horror).
While the Child’s origins are murky and mostly guesswork, we know a few things. Rafters, who has been within the mind of the monster, asserts that it is Larson’s child “birthed through [Larson’s] daughter” combined with the many failed attempts to bring about a proper heir to Larson’s name, (Part 27 30:24) the heavily implied incestous nature of which is confirmed in the Face Off Livestream (1:11:32). The parallels between this and the Dunwich horror are plain to see, and it’s highly likely the unknown deity Larson made this deal with was Yog-Sothoth, considering children begotten by Yog-Sothoth are often invisible to the naked eye and may only be observed by magical means (Malleus Monstorum p.165).
During his eulogy in the Dark World, John very explicitly mentions he did not have a mother to nurture him (Part 54, 32:50). Not a father or a parent, explicitly a mother, and insists that he was created complete. Yog-Sothoth is frequently attributed as being The King in Yellow’s progenitor. Malevolent centers highly on parent and child dynamics, so it would align with established themes if John has to examine his own parentage at some point.
Threshold
Yog-Sothoth is a being of many titles: All-In-One, the Key, and the Gate, Opener of the Way, etc etc, but also, most topically, his is often known as the Lurker at the Threshold. Huh. Interesting.
The first and most glaring piece of evidence is within the name itself. We first learn of Threshold from Kayne in Part 52 the Wager, where he hints at the location of Charlie Dowd. “Let’s just say… he’s standing at the… threshold? A-wink.” (49:02). We hear of it next from Lorick, who also indicates Charlie lay at Threshold, but that he knows nothing else. Threshold is mentioned a third time when Arthur is briefly reunited with Charlie, who, when asked where he is, repeats the word twice before vanishing. Kayne, however, on second usage, uses Threshold as a stand alone, lacking the determiner ‘the’. “And I am going to head to Threshold and carve out Noel’s fucking eyes with broken glass.” Not ‘The’ Threshold. Just Threshold. Charlie also does not use “the” in his pleas. Perhaps just a writer’s quirk, perhaps a clue, perhaps nothing at all.
Mystic hack Leonard Gilbert, in his visitation to Robert Puckett possesses a pocket watch with an “ancient and powerful sigil” upon its face, which is supposedly “gibberish”. It’s possible, that this is no ordinary trinket and the symbol belongs to Yog-Sothoth, as one of his main domains is that of time. (Overture 12:25). If we meet with him again in the future and John sees the pocketwatch, he may recognize the symbol from New York.
The QnA Panel
During the 2026 Malevolent QnA panel with Harlan, Yog-Sothoth was brought up in connection with the scrapped metaplot plans for the Booth Entity, a patron exclusive character that introduces each chapter of Malevolent before it is spliced into the larger Part. When asked if Yog Sothoth had any involvement with those scrapped plans, the reply was “No- Ah-? [thinking about it]…No.”
Which could mean anything.
He also acknowledges the chanting present in Part 8, which means it’s not a plot point that has simply been forgotten or discarded.
However, immediately afterwards, the interviewer, Ren (shout out Ren ily Ren) segues into the question I submitted, which I have copied here in it’s entirely for clarity:
“In part eight after John reads out the name of the King in Yellow, there’s a quiet chime that plays and whispers the famed chant: “ Past, Present, Future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth”. Paired with the dunwich horror-esque nature of the mines monster in Addison, was Yog-Sothoth ever planned to be a greater part of the narrative before you settled on the Blackstone route?”
This was promptly and immediately eight-balled. (2026 QnA livestream, 55:30)
An eightball is put into play when a question comes up that he is hesitant to answer, usually due to the answers containing spoilers or to hint at future plans or if he just wants to be silly. Harlan is not shy about giving resounding “no”s to certain questions, which more or less confirms to me that yes, Yog-Sothoth will be relevant at some point within the coming narrative.
Hi guys :) I think everyone should listen to episode three of threshold and then come read my post :)
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Got into Slay the Princess recently and now I really want to combine all the characters living in my brain so. has anyone here ever considered a STP Malevolent AU. am I losing my mind or could this possibly work
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I had been making it a little more Jarthur-centric in my mind, my thoughts were John as Shifting Mound/Princesses and Arthur as Long Quiet,, cause of how Arthur’s experiences and Choices made John who he is (and I wanted the together in every universe aspect), Kayne as The Narrator- I had stuck him there because of his master plan to remake the world, goals they both share,, same motivation whatever- but you’re totally right about the divorce bit as well, Narrator/Kayne wants Princess/John gone but favors Long Quiet/Arthur (this addition makes me feel better about sticking Kayne as Narrator it fits pretty well now yay) however using KIY as Shifting Mound also works well, explains the variety a bit more rather than just alternate universes and different choices mmm
I wasn’t sure about the Voices, I think I was just gonna stick Arthur’s friends/people he meets in there just cause I wanted to and call it a day BUT I didn’t think about the dream/nightmare sequences!! that makes it actually work plot wise instead of me just wanting an excuse to add The Guys :D the Voices being alternate Arthurs is also really cool, matches better with STP lore I think,, though I’m leaning towards doing other Malevolent characters cause I do enjoy trying to fit everyone in,, and there’s more selection there as well but I could see it going well either way tbh
the main thing im struggling with- if other characters are the voices- is who to put for which voice,, it might be easier to just call the voices Alternate Arthurs and not elaborate. on the other hand i did make a list of characters that could feasibly be Voices and kinda. give them new titles- they’d be different voices but they kinda do reflect aspects of Arthur’s personality?
put this together in like a half hour and im very open to other ideas as well im going off of a thesaurus, vague character knowledge, and Thoughts :)
OOHH THAT'S SO SICK ACTUALLY
it's been a bit since I've seen much STP stuff, so I'm kind
Okay okay so for Noel, you know how a lot of people give him identity issues, with 'Noel' kind of being his more confident, outgoing side, and 'Charlie' being kind of where he shoves all the PTSD and anxiety and stuff ?? I'm explaining it so badly but !! Maybe Charlie and Noel are separate voices, separate aspects of the same person. Charlie (Broken(taking one from the actual game)) and Noel (Charismatic maybe ?)
And if we're including people as the voices, I feel like it's only fair to include Faroe !! She could represent like his lingering guilt or whatever (canon compliant), or if she's not a voice then she still definitelyy should be included somehow
And so then Yellow would be one of the outcomes when Arthur chooses to interact violently from the start, and John would be an outcome when Arthur chooses to start off cautiously and then rescue the Princess ?
ALSO !!!! The mirror in the game !!! I feel there should be some sort of reference to the scene in S1 of Malevolent but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it should be so
Alsoooo I could be wrong but I think the Narrator looks like a crow in the game ???? it's been so long since I've played but if that's the case !!! just picture a crow with Kayne's big horrifying smile from 59, I think that would look sick
PLUS it makes even more sense for Kayne to be the Narrator because the knife that the Bird Guy has in the game could be the same knife that Kayne gives Arthur !!! So it kind of fits with canon !!!
since Yorick mentions that Arthur and John are the 'Day of Wrath ' in S5, maybe that's what the Narrator/Kayne keeps calling whatever is going to happen if Arthur doesn't kill the Princess ? But like he just refuses to elaborate in typical Kayne fashion
Oooooh yeah! I had made the number of voices match with how many are in the game but I don’t know how much that really matters, I really like the dual personality Charlie/Noel! maybe both Charlie and Noel are linked to the same Princess, it’s just down to certain dialogue options to determine which ends up in the next chapter? like if you’re a little scared of the Princess you get Charlie and if you’re more friendly you get Noel?
I really want to add Faroe but wasn’t sure how to add her as a voice since she doesn’t really speak in podcast but she could totally be one anyway, not sure where else she’d fit in and you’re right she should be there (she could be hero-esque in the way that she’s with him always? and she would be more urging to save not slay so it could work maybe)
Yeah! Yellow could represent the more violent Princesses and John could be the more gentle ones,, maybe the ones that have a more neutral/unengaged ones can be Hastur, no violence that creates Yellow and no kindness that creates John
OH YEAH well the mirror in Malevolent led them to the Dreamlands which is where the KIY resides so that could work? like passing through the mirror to get to the Dreamlands rather than the Long Quiet in STP. I was also thinking about the mirror that always appears in every chapter II and the fact that the Narrator can’t see it, I was trying to think about how I tie mirrors to the lighter in Malevolent but haven’t gotten far yet. also the Voices are linked to the mirror (shards of glass? i haven’t played all routes in STP yet so im not fully sure) and idk how to tie that in yet
OH YES TOTALLY!! the narrator is a crow but with teeth so that would absolutely work and look sick as hell :D and oh my god yeah the knife works perfectly too!!
Ooh yeah,, tell Arthur it’s all leading up to the Day of Wrath and he needs to slay the Princess (or would it be King in this AU? i kinda like calling John and Yellow princesses but I think King makes sense in Malevolent lore,, though I kinda want to keep calling them princesses) anyway then he’d only talk about his true plans later yeah in typical Kayne fashion,, after enough chapters or in the end :D
Yess that's absolutely where I was going with the Charlie/Noel thing, maybe like if the Princess successfully kills Arthur, then the next voice they get is Charlie. But if Arthur successfully convinces the Princess that he won't hurt the Princess so he can close enough to kill, then the next voice is Noel !! I'd imagine the point where the paths diverge is where the Princess got free of her chains, and Arthur has to either successfully convince the Princess that he's there to help, or he tries to kill the Princess and is killed instead
Maaybe one of the voices (Daniel or Bella maybe ?) could bring up Faroe, probably more vaguely at first, and maybe eventually one of the Princesses brings up Faroe just kind of out of nowhere, maybe as an attempt to stop Arthur from killing them ? Kind of like how John would bring up Faroe in earlier seasons during the Jarthur divorces
On the topic of Faroe, I do think she would Eventually come up in the Princess/Arthur conversation. I think if Arthur mentioned that it was his fault Faroe was dead, the Princess would feel maybe more righteous (idk if that's the word) in killing him, but if he didn't mention, maybe they would let Arthur get closer
Also, since in the game the Bird Guy has a more ? monstrous form than the player expects, maybe Arthur should have something similar ? Like he looks in the mirror at the end of each chapter and doesn't recognize what he sees. Which could be either bc he was *expecting* to be more monster-like (because surely only a monster would do the things he'd done) or because he was expecting to look more human (something about how he 'is the best and worst parts of humanity' like what he says to Kayne)
Whenever the main character approached the mirror, the voices would go away, right ? I feel like that could be connected back to Addison, right after Arthur had lost John and was finally alone in his head. Something about making a deal with Kayne/the Narrator to get the voices back ?
I very much agree that John and Arthur should keep being called Princesses, it sounds pretty and also I think in terms of character design, something more dress-like would look cooler !! Plus it would be easier to incorporate some sort of tentacle motif into a dress than a suit (?) in my opinion
Also !! I do think the either the Darkthur or Oscar voice should come after the Princess removes Arthur's arm, depending on how the interaction goes. If Arthur willingly lets her take the arm, then it's Oscar. If she forcibly does it or Arthur does it to himself, then it's Darkthur. I remember there was some sort of scene where the Princess bites her arm off to escape the chains ? I'm not entirelyy sure about how Arthur would end up in the arm-removal situation (combat ? starvation ?) but I think the fact that Darkthur and Oscar are both missing the same arm is too good a parallel to do nothing with !! :]
Yeah!! I was thinking Charlie/Noel could be more of a dialogue choice variation, like if Arthur picks mostly “you’re evil you need to die” options or generally has that “fuck you and that horse you rode in on” attitude he’ll get Charlie, and if he’s more friendly “you’re a good person, I know you are” options he’ll get Noel but that sounds good too!
Oh yes Absolutely!! I love Faroe being kinda hidden in dialogue till the plot progresses further, just some references at first, maybe Narrator could even hint at it “don’t pretend this is the first time someone’s died as a result of your actions” or something like that,, and yeah Daniel or Bella should absolutely be the Voices to bring her up, and they’d do it in different ways as well I think, Daniel would probably weaponize her more while Bella would try and get him not to make the same choices again or smth? And yeah maybe if Arthur listens to the talk about Faroe or picks some options reflecting her then the Princess could bring her up- and they could also present it in a different way depending on how nice/mean Arthur’s been to them,, either yeah like early seasons divorce or later on how John like comforts Arthur. (Im working on possible paths/Princess routes so now I’m filing away a Faroe ending, basing it off that one line in s5 I think? the “you have two souls within you” I really like this idea ahdjs)
Oh yeah totally!! I was thinking just a vague dark silhouette with just bright yellow eyes, and his form gradually becomes clearer and more humanish but i really enjoy a fucked up Arthur Hare design mmmm both are good,, there are four mirror bits (the fifth being Nothing At All before you meet the Narrator) so there could be room for both somewhat, start as a shadow, look slightly monstrous in the middle but fade back into painfully human at the end? idk
oh maybe? It might be hard to tie in but it could work,, I was just gonna leave it as that and keep the STP mechanics for it and not elaborate,,, cause the mirror is a gateway to Long Quiet and the voices always leave there but they come back once we’re back in the “world” but yeah I see the parallel (though admittedly the Narrator doesn’t really like having the voices there so I doubt he’d give them back)
Yayy :D ahsksj they can have so many cool designs i gotta draw these guys so bad
Oooh yeah that’s good!! Combat would probably work, but I also remember there’s a Prisoner route where the player can get their arm chained to the wall so maybe something like that? Arthur gets chained to the wall and has to remove his arm? and if you remove it to fight or remove it in a particularly violent way (or the Princess already hates you) then you get Darkthur, and if you keep calm and do it to help safe the Princess/have the Princess on your side then you get Oscar? gotta add Darkthur to my list of Voices he’s a very cool one
I also know (for the most part) whenever you finish a chapter, you get a new voice so the voice is linked to the Princess you’re on. im starting to work on some chapters/routes, I was thinking maybe like 2 or 3 for each main base (John, Yellow, Hastur) so there would be 6-9 chapter II Princesses, and then those could go to a Chapter III or Epilogue or something like that so. gotta match the voices to the chapters as well (I’m planning on shaping the chapters after stuff that happens in canon and more or less putting Voices with characters they’d associate with, like Larson can go with a Yellow chapter, etc)
oooo yess, I do think if you get the Charlie route, whichever Princess you have at the time should get to torture you KiY style, which could make the Charlie voice more subdued and maybe care less about what happens to Arthur. And maybe if you get tortured, in a later playthrough it could affect how friendly Noel is towards the Princesses ? (Sort of referencing his reaction to seeing Yellow in the Order of the Fallen Star)(Idk I really gotta check up on the mechanics of this game)
Yess, I do think Daniel and Bella would both sort of weaponize Arthur's guilt over Faroe, though the ways they would go about it would be vastlyy different (like father like daughter ! They can both have a bit of passive aggressive self-righteous anger at Arthur. As a treat) And if the Princess brings up Faroe I think Arthur should be angry that they brought her up, esp at first, but then maybe he kind of warms up to talking about her, depending on how the conversation goes. There should be one route where the Princess goes to far with talking about Faroe and Arthur just straight up kills them (oomg the Faroe ending sounds absolutely sick so far)
Oooo yes I love shadpw Arthur !!! Maybe he gets more hare-like traits if he does a route where the Princess hunts him down Butcher-style ? Idk. I do really like your idea though !! In the end, Arthur is human, and painfully so. Compared to the Princesses, he's insignificant and powerless ! He's not enough to beat them on his own, and all of his failures and shortcomings are painfully human and very much his own. I like the idea of him looking into the mirror and finding all of what he considers the weakest points of humanity looking back at him
So the Long Quiet is essentially like the Dreamlands, right ? Bc the mirror takes the mc there and removes the voice(s) (although in Malevolent it's just so the King can fuck with Arthurs head for a bit if I forget right) so would the scene where we see the Shifting Mound/the Princess in its entirety be set in Carcosa ? Like post-remodel Carcosa, since John and Yellow fix it up after they rejoin in canon
Oooo yes I think the Prisoner scene would be perfect !!! Maybe the Oscar one happens if you trust the Princess to remove your arm for you ? Like if they decide to help and Arthur decides to let them (like Oscar trusting Arthur to remove his arm) and Darkthur is if he just decides to do it himself. I do really think Darkthur would be a great voice, esp since he's Like Arthur but he's so clearly Not. Give Arthur something to kind of project his self-hatred on
Ooo, yes that sounds good !! Also, if Arthur himself can remember past routes, and he gets a John route before a Yellow one, maybe one of the defining moments would be him comparing Yellow to John, like he did in canon ? Ignoring his own role in turning yellow into what he became and sort of thinking of the John version of the Princess as more good or pure, even if he had a negative experience with John
I worked on the Noel/Charlie part a bit, what I have is like a Prison Pits inspired chapter, and if Arthur escapes he gets Noel/Confident and if he dies there he gets Charlie/Tormented, I’m absolutely adding torture into the notes for that chapter! I feel like Charlie will be very against the Princess in the next chapter, and Noel will be suspicious but able to change, he can notice that the Princess is different next time. they’re also linked to two different chapters (once you progress through three Pits you go to two different chapters based on if you get Charlie or Noel)
here’s what I have for that chapter, hopefully it’s relatively legible i was working on it later than I should have last night
OOH YES!! okay so a Faroe good ending (two souls/ I’ve been calling it The Spark— “she is the spark on every firelight you birth” line) and a Faroe bad ending (Princess talks about Faroe and then Arthur kills her, I want to see if I can tie that to the Part 18 divorce. gotta look into that)
Yay!! oh my gosh yes I forgot about Butcher, I have him as a Voice but there’s gonna be at least one chase/fight chapter so his Voice can be unlocked, the Princess that hunts him will definitely be calling him a hare or little rabbit or something (I want to make a wolflike Yellow chapter, like the wolves in Addison, I think this works with that one? Wolf vs hare, unlocks Voice of the Hunter if you don’t die)
I was thinking it kinda is? The main problem is that, in STP lore, The Long Quiet is an aspect of the player character and I’m not sure how to tie that in properly. torn between going away from STP plot and making it like the Dreamlands to match with the mirror in s1, or keeping it like STP story and Arthur has his own dimension now don’t worry about it (though admittedly The Narrator made the Long Quiet, so it could be like Kayne bringing Arthur around in Intermezzo almost? it doesn’t feel like too far a reach to say that Kayne/Narrator made Arthur a pocket dimension of sorts. idk) Tbh I like it in The Dreamlands a lot, I think it being in post-remodel Carcosa sounds really cool, it would just mean I can’t set chapters in The Dreamlands which would be fun
OOH YES THATS PERFECT okay i need to write out stuff for that chapter this is really good
Oh yes absolutely! I have a vague name down —The Eclipse—for a John turned Yellow chapter but I haven’t written much for it yet, that’s definitely going in there :D
ooooh poetry yesss !! One for each princess might be a lot of poems if there’s no repeats but for some late chapters he should totally share poetry
and as for Manager I haven’t really found a way to fit him in yet,, it doesn’t feel right to make him a Voice because of how important Kayne is so I was just gonna leave him out but idk
Oohh yes that's perfect I think !!! Maybe if they get Charlie/Tormented, there should be some instance of Charlie pointing out things that aren't there, or causing Arthur to question if anything they're doing is real ? Since such a big portion of Noel fanon includes him having post-King hallucinations, I think it could be cool to tie that in ? The next chapter he's being anxious and existential, and it would probably affect some of the other voices !! I think if Daniel was there he would probably be irritated at first but then maybe start questioning it himself, Kellin would probably add to the hysteria, Lilith would probably just be annoyed and try to shut it down so they can get on with slayinh the Princess, etc
Maybe if Noel is added, he helps kind of calm the others (bc he's Confident and he actually seems to have an idea of what's going on. Even if it's probably a lie)
ohh I LOVE 'the Spark' as a name, it feels so perfect for that !! For the bad ending, are we thinking he would kill the Princess in the classic Arthur style (going straight for the eyes and then brute forcing it) or just use the knife ? Like honestly I think he would be angry enough to just Arthur Classic it but maybe it's circumstancal
i love that omg !!! So if the chase unlocks voice of the hunter, would that be bc Arthur found himself enjoying the Hunt (even if he was the prey)(enjoying the Hunt, like how he seemed to relish hunting down Larson ?) or bc he managed to turn it around so he was hunting Yellow ? (Like how they did in the Dreamlands, killing the creature that was hunting them in the pit via rock) Oh, maybe after this chapter the mirror scene could be hare-ish Arthur !! Or at least him being human, but with those wide nervous eyes and overall jumpiness
maybe there's something about the gates of Carcosa keeping it separate from the rest of the Dreamlands ? The Princess is imprisoned with the chains and their city is imprisoned within the gates (Or something like that) which Could potentially make it so Carcosa could be used as the Long Quiet while the rest of the Dreamlands are still available for use in chapters ! Because I Do think it would be cool to have the forest for a scene (either for biting off the finger or for Arthur emerging from a tree after dying and going to confront the Princess)
ohhh the Eclipse is suchh a cool sounding name omg !! It's got very good design potential just going off the name I think !! Reminds me of those sun/moon masks, where the crescent moon is overlaying the sun ? I love that though ohh my gosh
Yes !! Like he Definitely won't share poetry if it's a more violent Princess, but maybe if he's trying to get them to trust him he'll recite a poem !! Or maybe if he's trying to self-soothe, especially if it's a poem that is similar to the 'Heart. Lungs. Liver. Nerves.' scene !! That could potentially be a good moment during the hunt, or maybe a torture scene ? On a similar note, I think the Butcher should be able to sing his song (especiallyy if they're Hunting) and Oscar should be able to hum or sing some hymns (he Is a priest and also I am CONVINCED he has a gorgeous singing voice. Most priests/pastors Do as far as I've seen)
Honestly yeah, that makes more sense !! At most there could be some sort of vague reference to the Manager and the Waylay but idk. Although after episode 60 I'm sure we'll have more Manager stuff to ponder about adding
OOOH YESS make Charlie like a cross between Paranoid and Broken almost,, post-king hallucinations make so much sense that’s so good oh my god and it would add good dynamics between him and the other Voices as well yessss
Absolutely! I really want to lean into his confidence even if he doesn’t know what he’s doing,, he knows he’s been chosen to be here and he’s braved worse and that’s all that matters etc,, thinking about him in Part 40 specifically and how even while he didn’t know about the Order before and doesn’t really know how deep it all goes, he’s always so ready and focused on the goal and doing his best to stay positive yknow
Oh he should totally Arthur Classic it!! partially because that’s very In Character for him and also because the knife is tied to Kayne/Narrator and he’s not killing for him, he’s killing for himself (plus something about hands that once held gently now turned violent or whatever)
I was thinking he begins as prey but ends up turning it around somewhat so they’re both hunting eachother? though I think all of those could work out,, even him being hunted and ending up losing can inspire him to be a better hunter in the next chapter,, like a hunted becomes the hunter type situation. and yeahh he should have like a more animalistic mirror version, i know in STP the mirrors are the same no matter what Princess you get so idk if it could be reliant on hunter? but it should definitely be one in the middle (STP has ‘you’, ‘grown’, ‘withered’, ‘unraveled’, and ‘nothing’ in that order, I haven’t thought about what Arthur’s would be yet ahdjs)
Oooh that could work!!! Carcosa is such a good location and with good ties to the KIY I really want to make it happen (and yeah I want to be able to use the Dreamlands or at least parts of it for chapters, I’m kinda using it for The Dream but it doesn’t specifically Have to be the Dreamlands) oooh if it is Carcosa then I can try and incorporate bits from The King In Yellow play (specifically like the beginning poetry kinda bits, maybe I could even use those for the mirror scenes, make them match with the verses somewhat? gotta work on that)
Yay!! Yeah that’s exactly what I was picturing! Something about John trying to be light/match Arthur’s flame, while Yellow ended up clouding it over
OH TOTALLY I gotta look up more poetry I really just know the ones from Malevolent ahdjs,, a poem paralleling Heart Lungs Liver Nerves would be awesome! and Butcher and Oscar would absolutely sing (i agree Oscar would have an amazing singing voice, he canonically hums to help himself think!! so it’s basically canon. gotta make him at least hum while he’s trying to concentrate or calm down or something yeahhhh)
Oooh Waylay is a great idea I’ll see if I can figure out a way to make a Waylay chapter because that Should be a thing,, something very hard to reach but it’s different because the Narrator can’t reach you there (because Kayne hadn’t been able to see the Waylay) and yeah 60 will definitely give me a Lot to think about here (it will ruin me I’m afraid)
yes yes yess... I really love the idea of Arthur having to deal with this whole cacophony of voices in his head arguing about whether the flash of yellow Charlie thinks he saw meant anything
absolutely !! Any time they'll all panicking bc 'ohh my god dude we're gonna DIE the Princess is gonna KILL us' Noel would be there to try and calm them down (probably referencing the prison pits ['hey ! It could be worse ::D ]) Him and the Butcher could have a really good dynamic, I think, if they do end up in a route together. They both seem like more of the cool-headed and reasonable type, they notice a lot more (like the Butcher being pretty much the ONLY one to point out how weird Arthur's eyes were, asking if he could actually see, etc)
Ohh my gosh yes good point augh !! I love the angst potential of Arthur as a father conflicting with Arthur as a killer
yess, so down for that idea !! Esp in the next chapter, if that's when he gets the Butcher voice, the Butcher can help him be a better hunter so they can trap the Princess !! Also, if we're hare-coding him, there could be some sort of 'lucky rabbits foot' thing, like maybe the Princess cuts off one of Arthur's feet/legs after catching him but before killing him.and in the next chapter the Princess still has it (like one of those crappy rabbits foot keychains iykwim)
Great minds think alike 💥💥💥 plus John's more golden color could fade to a paler, sicker yellow !!
Yess I mostly just know the Malevolent poetry, but I was pretty into poetry a few years back so I figure I could proobably find a heart liver lungs parallel (with. a couple hours of searching maybe) Oooooh maybe if Arthur finds a piano in one of the chapters (maybe a Dreamlands one ? or if there's a chapter where the scenery reflects his past, like playing at the piano while Faroe took her bath) then he can play it and the Butcher and Oscar can duet (their voices would sound so so pretty together trust me I know this in my SOUL). This is not important for the au lore but it is important to me and I like thinking about it
Oooo that would be cool !! I don't think I've seen the KiY play but I will absolutely probably go take a look sometime !! I Do think poetry would go very well with the mirror scenes, or maybe the Narrator/Kayne sort of offhandedly recites a few verses while he's giving Arthur his instructions ? Idk if that would sound right I'd have to check it out first
Also on the topic of the Narrator/Kayne, I really like thinking about Kayne doing his stupid manic laugh and how the crow face with the big freaky blackstone smile would contort to make the sound... freaky crow Kayne my beloathed
maaaybe if there's a Waylay chapter, Arthur and some of the voices that are canonically dead (Parker, Bella, maybe Faroe ?) could have some sort of interaction there ? I don't know if it would make a lott of sense for there to be a Princess in the Waylay, but that could also change depending on how episode 60 goes (I am SHAKING in my boots dude it's so over <//3) the Waylay could be something you could only reach immediately after a death, but maybe the death has to have certain circumstances surrounding it (like maybe it's similar to Arthur's death via Kayne dismembering him or being stabbed witch-style)
I do think it would be cool to have some sort of scene that parallels the hospital, where Arthur is in a coma and the Princess (probably John) is just waiting for him to wake up. Maybe Nurse Lily is just a Literal lily, like a flower growing in the hospital/wherever they are, maybe the Princess watches it grow as they wait ? Though I'm not sure why they would be waiting, because in most routes the Princess would probably jump at the chance to try and escape. Unless they were still chained ? Idk man food for thought ig
Yeah!! Im working on the voices and princesses, not sure who’s gonna be paired with who fully yet, but mmmm the character exchanges are so fun :D good point also about Butcher noticing things/Arthur’s eyes, that’ll be a good addition to his voice !! He can point out weird things about the Princess/have some general distrust along with his hunting abilities
:D I’m still not sure how to get to the Faroe routes fully, it might just rely on certain dialogue (choosing to acknowledge/mention her vs picking other options or something)
Oooh that would be so cool!! There is one chapter in STP where the Princess grabs/breaks the protag’s foot so it could probably even tie back to that in a way, the Princess could have taken it in hopes it would let them out or something but it didn’t, and now they’re keeping it around just because :))
Ooh yeah! :D mmmm character design ahdjs
Oh nice!! And piano is a great idea, it could also definitely tie in to the Faroe route, yeah in a chapter that reflects his past or maybe Parker or Daniel could make it appear or bring attention to it (oooh wait. what if it’s always there but Arthur can’t see it because he blocks it from his mind, until one of the voices point it out? then he can choose if he plays it or not, which can progress the Faroe ending?) also yes oh my god Butcher and Oscar duet would be AMAZING
full disclosure I haven’t read the play in full yet, I’ve read the beginning but idk how long it is, I’m strongly considering reading it just to maybe add references from it to here or use it for description ideas and such,, it’s been on my reading list for a while I just haven’t sat down to read a proper book in a while ahdjs
Oooh Narrator poetry is cool! I don’t remember if Kayne says any poetry in Malevolent but he’s kinda a theater kid so it doesn’t sound like a stretch,, he totally could say or reference a few lines in descriptions or maybe to try and get Arthur on his side oooh
OH MY GOD YEAHHH also like the main time we see The Narrator is through a shattered mirror,, all the shards showing different parts and stuff oughhhh he’s so cool
Ooooh yeah that’s really cool, I love the idea of just having More Voices in the Waylay (that’s kinda happened in at least one STP chapter, getting new voices in the middle of another chapter so it’s not much of a reach), and it would add to the like. off-ness of it, this place is different and we were not supposed to get here etc. I was thinking this chapter would have to be after probably two other chapters, and Arthur would have had to not listen to Narrator at all through both of them, keep saving The Princess and trying to leave, at the end of Ch II Kayne gets frustrated and steps in, (like how Narrator can take possession of protag’s body) which he’s not supposed to do, and either makes Arthur kill John/Princess and then kill himself or just kill himself (like the dismemberment sorta), and then next chapter Arthur and Princess start in the Waylay (i can’t believe we have like. 11 days till The End this is terrifying ahdjsjs)
Ooh wait this would be cool! There is a Prisoner chapter in STP where you can choose to examine a chain next to her and get chained to the wall next to her, and you both have to just stay and wait for the cabin to deteriorate around them,, this could be like that sorta? The waiting aspect at least,, Arthur’s gonna have to somehow end up incapacitated but not dead and the Princess would need to be chained without a way out,, I do love having an actual lily growing out of the wall or floor or something for John to watch mmm yeahh
Let me know when you've got a more solid idea of pairings ::D also, are you planning on making an actual game with this au, or is it more just food for thought ? Both are good in my opinion, just curious ::]
i think it relying on dialogue would be best !! Like, if Arthur chooses to just never bring her up, then it wouldn't make sense to get a Faroe ending !! Or, tying it to that piano thing, if he chooses to play one of the Faroe songs versus choosing to play something else (like some random sonata or smth)
Ouuhh you're so right !! They just snap off Arthur's foot (the left(?) foot... the one John canonically has control of.....) and keep it like a trophy!!
Oohhh yes absolutely for him not being able to see it !!! I for one believe Arthur is 100% of the 'what I can't see can't hurt me' mindset (which is NOT true because he can't see ANYTHING but EVERYTHING hurts him), and him just blocking it out makes sense for his character I think !!! I think the Parker voice mentioning it would be especially good, since we know in canon he bought Arthur a piano for their office (which Arthur ignored and never played), so he could point it out and ask if Arthur would ever get around to playing it again ? And that could spark some sort of convo that ended in Arthur Seeing it, and maybe playing it. And absolutely the piano being played should tie into the Faroe endings !!! If he doesn't play it, he shouldn't get the Faroe ending (he's not confronting his grief over Faroe and what caused it (his negligence and absorption with his work))
Reading it would probably be a good idea, if you've got the time !! Honestly I was just planning on finding a summary of it somewhere, or maybe an audio reading of it so I don't actually have to sit down and read something ? But yeah that's totally fair, I get not having the time or will to sit and read something
i don't remember if Kayne says any poetry either but I don't think it's beyond him to use a reference to something Arthur knows to try and convince Arthur to side with him !! Just kind of a subtle 'hey ! we have common interests and knowledge, you can trust me !', even if Kayne just kind of ? pulled the reference out of Arthur's head to use in conversation
OOOUH the mirror !! He'd look so horrifying !! gotta be one of my favorite versions of Kayne, he would make a great bird
ph yeah that sounds perfect !!! ::D would Arthur and all the Voices member Kayne/the Narrator taking them over in the next chapter ? I don't think I've seen that route (at least not in a long while) !! (I'm terrified !!! But at least we get a continuation of the series afterwards !! Like July I think !!)
ooh yes !! They could've had a fight that ended with Arthur being injured (maybe his leg was broken ?) and the Princess still being chained up. Maybe they chose to leave the dagger, so they weren't able to kill the Princess in the fight. The Prisoner chapter could also be tied to the Oscar/Darkthur route, if that's when they have to either self-amputate or let the Princess do it. Maybe if they choose to let the Princess do it, and promise that they'd release the Princess in turn, then they could have a choice to just leave the Princess there, or kill them ?
I will! :D I’m planning to have about two main routes per Princess variant, Hastur has The Dream and The Warden, Yellow has The Wolf and I haven’t gotten any more, basically that means each route has a main Voice with it (so Hastur’s main voices are Kellin and Lillith, Yellow has Butcher and will have Larson, and I haven’t done anything with John), they’ll all get another voice depending on the ch. III on though (okay idk if this makes sense I hope it does?) I don’t know how to make a game,, and I don’t want to like infringe on copyright if that’s a thing? I was thinking of trying to write it as a choose your own adventure-esque thing? but that would be really hard with different dialogue options so maybe I’ll just write it? it’s hard with all the options and stuff so I don’t really know ahdjsjs
Yeah absolutely!! and it helps make it stand out more / differentiate it from the other routes cause it is a little different than typical STP canon routes
Oooh yes absolutely the one John has control of (I don’t think we get to know in canon? I always assumed left though)
Ahsksj oh my god you’re so right about the “he can’t see anything but everything hurts him” and yeah!! That actually works so perfectly with what I have written for a current Parker chapter,, it’s a Yellow to John chapter- start with Yellow in like the cabin he starts in at s3, with snow and stuff, and Arthur can fight the Princess (called the Wolf), try to trap them, or secret third option: light a fire in the abandoned fireplace and try to help/bring light to The Wolf, if he does he gets Parker in the next chapter (I was going to work the next chapter’s Princess vaguely around fire already so making it a possible Faroe progression chapter is PERFECT, Parker can point out a piano in the next chapter and the Princess will already have a little history with violence but also be more inclined to be kind so it could go either way,, he could choose to play it and acknowledge his past and continue to make amends with the Princess or block out his past, turn on both it and the Princess,, YESSS)
Oooh audio is a good idea!! I like audio format more (I typically play Minecraft while I listen to podcasts, I like having something to do with my hands and helps me lock in)
Yesss absolutely ! And it’s more fun to write and add in references,, everything needs more poetry :D
HE SO WOULD I have never drawn Kayne before but I just finished my current project so I gotta draw him now oh my god (also just picturing his voice with like the rough crow sounds and stuff oouuhhhh)
I think so!! I do want Kayne/Narrator to be noticeably absent from the Waylay and having the Voices do it is cool :D also the narrator possession bit is easy to get in STP, you can get it in ch 1 if you don’t take the knife and keep trying to save her,, im making it harder to get (or at least further down) in mine though (Yeah!! I’m so excited for that, dying to know who it’s centered on/what it’s about and crossing my fingers for Oscar involvement,, and Yellow my beloved though I doubt it)
Oooh that could work! though it might be nice to have them separate chapters idk,, breaking Arthur’s leg is a great idea, I was also thinking maybe he could try to die or be killed or something, and Kayne wouldn’t let him die? so he’s vaguely in a coma or something of the sort,, not dead but not really There? not sure. Leaving the Princess at the Oscar/Darkthur route is veryyy cool, I gotta give them a new voice for that cause you won’t be able to get Oscar if you leave the Princess, it would be neat to have a three way choice outcome :D
also oooh I haven’t given too much thought to the Princess designs but I really like both ideas of them getting more human and them getting more monstrous so yeah,, maybe they do start at a middle ground so they can go either way? then them looking a little less human from the start could help with the slay routes as well, could make them seem a little more threatening if they turn that way, and keep getting monstrous with the violence routes and more human (or at least less threatening) with the kind routes yeahhh :D
yippiie ::D oooh yeahyeah that makes sense !! Games can be kind of tricky to make (in my ge u very limited experience) especially with so many routes !! But I think a choose your own adventure would be super cool omg, I've seen one where people just set it up on google slides or some simple coding !! If it was a game, I don't think it could be copyrighted so long as you make it obvious that it's a fan-made game ! For the choose your own adventure, it might be easier to limit the dialogue options to just two or three ? Like those visual novel things ? Definitely doesn't need as many as the actual STP game, that's a lot !! I'm not too sure about what voices could be linked with John's route, but I think it could be cool if he and Noel's voice had a special sort of connection ? Like with Noel being the first person to actually see John as a separate person from Arthur, and actually genuinely care about him. Maybe if they had a closer interaction it could be smth like Noel pushing Arthur to interact with the Princess as a person, not just an objective to complete
im pretty sure John has his left hand !! That's what I've always seen in fanart (haven't checked the wiki) and I just kind of associate left with anything KiY related
OOOH YES having the secret third option being bringing light to the Princess.... like how Arthur used his lighter in the Dark World to sort of clear his and John's minds.... ouuuugh you're a genius !! Plus having that be a Yellow to John chapter and tying it with music.... I feel like Yellow would really like music (Yellow asked Arthur about poetry in S3 j think but Arthur wouldn't share more with them, which is a shame. But Yellow would love music and I know this in my soul) PLUS if he plays Faroe's Song, that's used suuperr often in the podcast for Arthur and John together, and there's a version where it's piano (Arthur) and John (cello).... ough the Princess could have a sort of cello thing going on if there's any sort of audio.... I don't know a whole lot about music buut if the cello and piano are providing bg music together, the tempo of each instrument could change depending on the emotions of the character they correspond with... I don't know if I am explaining it good and I Do realize that audio might be tricky, depending on the format but... do you see the vision......
yesss evil bird Kayne.... if the Narrator Is making an appearance, would be be a white crow (I ??? Am sort of sure those can happen in nature) or just a crow that is Not horribly fucked up and not dripping with blood ? I feel like it could work for him just to look like a regular crow (although not Too regular since he's still gotta be obviously something Other), since he's just a version of Kayne and not the mirror opposite of him
oooooo alright !! I do think it makes sense for it to be trickier to get in this au, since Kayne would probably prefer to just be able to watch the show (at least the earlier portion) rather than take an active role in it (ough yess I would give everything for a Noel centric series with Oscar appearances (since that seems a little more likely to me than Oscar centric) .. and maybe Yellow !!! I am so full of hope, Harlan please give us back the new york cast)
seperate chapters could be nice too !! Although I don't know if Kayne would be one to not let Arthur die (he's seemed pretty encouraging of Arthur's deaths throughout the seasons) unless !! maybe he knew that Arthur dying would send him out of Kayne's control, even if only for a bit ? Like he didn't jnow about the Waylay or whatever specifically, but he knew there was somewhere just out of his line of sight, so to speak, where Arthur could go if he died.
oooh yeahyeah thats a good point !! They start off looking human enough to invoke Arthur's empathy, but uncanny enough to set him on edge !! Kind of like the original Princess from STP !! The Princess looks like a regular person but there's something about the way they look at Arthur, or the way they talk (probably similar speech-pattern and manipulation-wise to John from S1) or any number of things !! yeaahh
Oooh that sounds neat I’ve got to look into that! definitely sounds easier than making a game,, PowerPoint sounds nice cause then you can have slides for each scene/choice to help direct routes and stuff (right? I’ve admittedly never seen one but it feels like you can have a slide and then have links to other slides to go to depending on what choice you pick or smth) OKAY I went to google slides and tested it and I can add links on slides to other slides so that would totally work!! (then i got distracted looking at fonts and messing around but YAY that totally works!!! And it’s not hard!!) and oh good about the copyright cause while i don’t expect this to get even remotely big or popular or anything i don’t want to encroach on that stuff ahdjs
oooh I like that with Noel’s voice a lot,, i haven’t really done anything with John’s routes but he should definitely be there at some point,, gotta figure out how to get him in though. He’s in a chapter III Hastur (The Warden, prison pits chapter where you either get Charlie or Noel) and a chapter III Yellow (if you successfully defeat them in The Wolf, bc he’s confident,, though I could change that if I need) so he could be a Ch III for John,, he Could be II though mmmmm I definitely like him looking at the Princess like a person to interact with that’s really good
Yeah he has the left! and yeah based on that I just assumed he’d have left foot as well he just gets that side yea
YAYYY and Yellow does like music so you’re so real for that, they liked the bar song in Part 21, thought it was interesting,, didn’t really know how to express his feelings about it (ahdjsjs yellow my beloved) and music would be So Cool (OKAY I LOOKED IT UP and you can add music to slides and make it autoplay!! I still have to mess with it, I think I need mp3 files- just putting in a YouTube link didn’t work- and I gotta see if I can make it not choppy, changing music or bouncing back to the beginning of the song every time you switch slides and stuff, but it could totally be a thing! wonder if id need to use copyright free music or if its still okay since its fan made) :D
Oooh he could be either tbh!! But I’m drawn to the white crow,, he could still be a bit fucked up but hide it (since he’s still a Nyarlathotep) and he could be albino,,, white crow with a pinker beak and red eyes or he could be leucistic- lacking some pigment/melanin which would make him partially white to mostly white or just paler, and they can (on rare occasions) also lose pigment in their eyes making them blue!
another cool detail is that albinism is also linked to things like bad vision, and often because of this, albino crows don’t have as good chances in the wild (okay im going down a rabbit hole,, person named corvid is normal about crows, fork found in kitchen ig) anywayyy I think it would be cool for The Manager to look different and he could totally be a white/pale crow! :D
Yeah! figured since it’s a pretty out of the ordinary chapter it should be later and harder to get,, especially since the Narrator is a pretty big role and having him absent is gonna be a big change yknow (oh my god Noel centric series with Oscar appearances back in New York would be AMAZINGG)
I was kinda basing that off of the Narrator more, once The Long Quiet/the mc dies then the chapter ends and the world is doomed,, but I really like your idea!! just that he vaguely knows Arthur dying can start pushing him out of the Narrator’s jurisdiction/control and can start twisting the worlds in ways he doesn’t know oooouhhh
Yeahh absolutely!!! and yess the manipulation from early season John fits so perfectly :D
Yeah !! I remember having to do some sort of PowerPoint choose your adventure thing in school, and it wasn't too hard to set up !! Could be fun, and so so so much easier than trying to code something !!! Plus you can add transitions on slides which could make it look cooler I think... I've seen people make really impressive looking stuff so I think the slides have potential ::]
i do think it would be cool if he was in chapter three for John, Yellow, and Hastur. I just really like the consistency. In my mind Noel was just super important in John's journey to sort of discovering himself and settling into a more 'human' version of himself, since Noel was his first human connection besides Arthur, even if he had to do it through Arthur (although this time it would be almost opposite, since John would be in his own body and Noel would be the voice in Arthur's head lol)
aaauggh Yellow my beloved !!! Oooh that's cool I didn't know that !! Music would be so sick to have in the slides !! Going with copyright free music might be better, just to be safe, especially if you don't necessarily need the copyrighted songs, unless !! if you wanted to use smth like Faroe's Song, you could try reaching out to Harlan and seeing if he'd mind his song being used (which I don't think he would, since I doubt you'd be making money off this)
oooo I really do like how both of those look, esp the crow with albinism !!! oooo he doesn't have good chances in the wild (because Kayne will kill him) so he stays in his safe place (the Waylay) ooo... I think both Kayne and the Manager should be a little uncanny valley. Like sure, that's a crow in theory, but if you look closer there's a definite wrongness about them (similar thing to people headcanoning that Kayne has a similar effect in his human form, like he has a functionally human body but the way he moves in it is just wrong, or the insides are just not anatomically correct)
Ooh yeah!! It’s working super well, definitely easier for coding and with space for art and lets me add many choices and stuff it’s so good ofufjd
Yeah!! He could be in a sort of Happily Ever After-esque chapter, where they both end up leaving together and it’s like the first time they really See each other outside of the roles they’re supposed to play,, kinda links to finally becoming human/seen as human etc yesss (also it could be like a Good Ending, leaving together)
I think a lot of old classical music is in public domain, that should fit the vibe pretty well, and I just searched for royalty-free instrumental music and it looks like that should work as well! And yeah I doubt? Harlan would mind if I used Faroe’s Song (I could even play that myself too, I learned it a bit ago,, I’m not professional by any means but it could be less of a problem if im the one playing it) it’s all def something I gotta mess around with more,, but i think it should work from mp3s so as long as I can find downloadable copyright free files (or get like a YouTube to mp3 converter) then it should work!
Yessss thats exactly what I was thinking!! and yeah I think they both Should be a off putting, it’s fun to give them that sense of Wrongness (and it’s more fun to design as well) I love the way you describe it ahdjs
aaa that's good !!! I'm glad it's working well ::] so so excited for the final product ::D
Oooo YES I love that, I love the idea of them somehow managing to escape and seeing eachother for what they actually are and not what roles the Narrator put them in... yess they deserve a good ending I think
Oh yeah !! Plenty of free domain classical music, esp piano !! And I really don't think it would be an issue, since I've seen plenty of people use it in animatics or summary videos (both covers of the song and not) and none of them have been copyright claimed !! I'm not sure if they were monetized or not, but still !!
aaa thank you ::D I'm not sure what exactly what you've been imagining for the crow design, but I keep picturing he would have some sort of sharp teeth. Maybe not at first but I think a freaky bird with too many teeth (??? do birds even have teeth ??? I don't actually know, maybe some birds do ??? I might be thinking about those feathered dinosaurs idk) matches Kayne's freak
Yeah!! its definitely grown from where it started, it was all just kinda ramblings and a lot of bullet points in my notes app, now i also have the PowerPoint, google doc, and another window with about one billion tabs of thesaurus webpages open to different words and half of the Malevolent transcripts,,, but almost all the ch IIs are blocked out! Still working on which Voices get to be John’s main ones,, his two Ch IIs are: The Bound (name still pending, I think there’s a better one out there)— based on S1 divorce arcs/when they were bound together but wanted to split up all the time, didn’t necessarily hate each other forever but didn’t trust each other that much either (that’s also the chapter where the arm cutting off happens), and the other Ch II is The Friend- based on how John introduced himself as a friend, it’s the nicest ch II where Arthur and John both trust each other (for the most part at least), John’s still a little manipulative but not violent
Yessss !! gotta figure out progression to that one,, probably going to be The Friend route bc Bound already has the Oscar/Darkthur arm thing and getting Noel in there means there needs to be another chapter for him to be linked to,,, it would be long but not impossible, probably better to make it Friend I think mmm
Oooh nice :D yeah this wouldn’t be monetized i don’t even know how to go about that even if i wanted to,, its just for fun
Sharp teeth is perfect!! I think The Narrator in STP had teeth actually, I’ve kinda just been picturing him but with slight color changes, Kayne would have redder eyes and beak or smth and Manager would be pale ?
here’s the guyyyy :D and Kayne would absolutely be a freaky toothy bird !!
Ooooooo yay !!! That's good !! Ooough I love how the John chapters sound, even the nicest possible route isn't entirely honest. The best they can do is not actively try to kill eachother !!
yeaah I think Noel would probably mesh better with the Friend route, if only bc Bound already has voices. But also I think it just feels more Right to me
Ohhhhh yesss that looks sick !!! Freaky bird man with teeth <//3 I agree with the color changes !! I do think the Manager could also have the more reddish eyes, just so it's a bit easier to tell they're technically kind kf the same entity (but not yk)
Yeah! if the nice routes keep progressing they’ll get more fully nice to each other, but I was basing it off of John’s “I’m a friend” line which was admittedly a bit manipulative,, kinda want to lean into that because he still doesn’t really know STP!Arthur, still wants to make sure he stays on his good side and doesn’t get killed,, as Arthur shows himself to be a good person then John will feel able to open up and be more genuine
Okay perfect!! :D i don’t really have a name for the John chapter with Noel yet, but since he’s The Voice of the Confident then I’m thinking itll be somehow tied to like. Not defeating Kayne/Narrator but like defying him maybe? Confident in the ability to defeat Kayne, getting it from not listening to Kayne and instead trusting/freeing John/Princess mmmmm
Yeah! it would work with him being albino as well, as they already have the red eyes and beak :D
yesss I love how their relationship would start off more out of unwilling cooperation than anything else, just like in canon ::] John doesn't want Arthur to decide to kill him, and Arthur (maybe) doesn't want to kill John (at least not right off the bat anyways) and knows that if he tries there is a good chance he could die instead.
ooooohh yes... He trusts John/the Princess despite everything, like in canon !!! How even after learning that John was a fragment of the KiY he still trusted him !!! Despite the horrors !!! Plus I feel like it's a very Noel thing to just spit in the face of an eldritch god. Like yeah he'll probably be mid-panic attack bc PTSD but he'll still do it
Yeah! :D starting with the casual mutual distrust and working towards actually trusting each other
Yesss!! and yeah it is, just like in Part 40 II (I’d love to reference that somehow, the fuck you and that horse you rode in on line but not sure where to put it)
yeaah ::D worlds longest and most fucked up trust exercise !!!
Hmmm yeah idrk where that would go either, but I'm sure it'll be easier to find a place to slot it into once the rest of the dialogue for those chapters is mostly hashed out ?
Oh yeah true! mgmgg i gotta polish all the Ch IIs (and that should make assigning Voices a lot easier), then maybe get started on dialogue at least for those,, I have one Yellow finished and one named but not fleshed out yet, both John’s have names but not finished, and both Hasturs are finished.
my thoughts for how to get each chapter II was basically save vs slay- saving (or trying to) gets John and slaying gets Yellow, and choosing to lock away or leave the cabin entirely get Hastur. and then to differentiate between both Yellows and Johns, it depends whether you bring the knife or not. it kinda worked out that way so i don’t have a ton of Ch IIs (like in STP, there’s 10 I think?) this is easier, I’m kinda heading toward having fewer Ch IIs and more Ch III (and possibly IV), so i can have more developed and get more voices together :D
Oooh, that makes sense ::D especially with canon ough... saving John (Arthur kind of being forced to make a genuine connection and coming to care about him deeply) versus slaying Yellow (all of early S3. Yellow ::[ ) versus just kind of leaving Hastur (Arthur just kills himself and then leaves lmao) I do think having less Ch IIs is a good choice, esp in terms of efficiency
Yayy :D
i have been struggling to decide John’s voices,, I’m going between Antoine (Trusted), Oscar (Faithful or Devoted) and Parker (Comforter). John’s chapters are The Bound—which is the arm cut off one, so it can’t have Oscar, and you get it by bringing down the knife in ch I and choosing to save Princess/cut them free— and The Friend—got by not bringing knife and just saving the Princess.
I feel like Antoine works with Bound because the Princess would have to trust Arthur to cut them free in ch 1? but it’s also neat on a more meta level to give that one Parker because when John and Arthur got bound in s1 Parker went to comfort Arthur and got killed as a result,, comforting could also work with talking to the Princess and telling them that Arthur’s not going to hurt them?
but Friend,, i feel like Any could work for that. Trusted because there was no reason to distrust Arthur, he posed no threat so the Princess is more inclined to trust him and believe he’s there to help. Comforter because of the same reason as last one— talking to the Princess and reassuring them that they’re going to get out (and Parker was Arthur’s only friend before John came, and John said the “only friend you have” line right after killing Parker, Arthur’s only friend before). and Devoted works too, Arthur didn’t do wrong to the Princess and instead chose them fully over Narrator, not taking the knife and letting them free,,,
i don’t knowwww,, all I know is Oscar can’t be in Bound because he’s a possible voice for the Ch III after. and all I have for progression with Friend is a Bella chapter (which could lead to Faroe later), and a Noel chapter. (so if Oscar is the Friend Voice then there’s a possibility for Holy Ghosts with Noel later ooh) but yea. I’m torn idk which to go with,, what do you think?
ooooh...... I do really like Parker for Bound !! Partially because I just Really like Parker, but also because I think trust is more of a thing that is built up over time rather than immediately gained, and if it's the first chapter I don't Really think the Princess would have like actual trust in Arthur right away. I do think comforting them could work though, I like the idea of Arthur kind of approaching them like you would a scared wild animal or small child. I just think that's something he would do. PLUS the meta level for Parker is just so so good and kind of hurts !!
Honestly I'm veryyy very inclined to just say Oscar for the Friend chapter, if only for future possible Holy Ghosts,,, but yeah it does seem like all of them are good possible candidates ? Hmm I just feel like if you're trapped in a basement (or whatever exactly the Princess is stuck) you're not gonna just easily trust whoever just wanders in, even if they don't seem like a threat right away ? At least John probably wouldn't, I don't think he would be that visibly desperate, but I guess that's also circumstancal ?
Oooh you’re so right thank you !! Parker will go with Bound and Oscar for Friend, and Antoine can be saved for later chapters (it does make sense that the Princess wouldn’t trust that quickly yeah)
I’ve been thinking about a chapter based on the bone cathedral- a chapter after Friend, if Arthur chooses to leave the Princess in the cabin. I don’t have a name for that Princess yet but that chapter would be linked to Bella/Voice of the Abandoned (and it could also be a progression for a Faroe ending, cause Bella can bring up Faroe and talk about how Arthur wasn’t there for her,,). The cabin would be based off of the bone cathedral/the Princess misses Arthur and doesn’t know what to do without him, their existences are intertwined and him leaving makes their existence empty so they try to recreate it and live without him :))
yeah I do really want a Holy Ghosts chapter admittedly,, Noel has a Chapter III for all Princesses and his is going to be down the Friend path (but that’s all I really have, he’s Voice of the Confident so it’ll be something about defying the Narrator I think? finding a way for Arthur/Voices to get together with the Princess- and he’ll start them viewing the Princess as an individual person as well)
!!! YESSS A BONE CATHEDRAL CHAPTER !!! THAT SOUNDS SO SICK I LOVE THE BONE CATHEDRAL !!! ooough that sounds so good I love everything about that
a holy ghosts chapter would be everything to me. So would a Bella chapter, I LOVE her and she deserves to be either passive-aggressive or just outright furious at Arthur.
Yayyy!! it’s been in my notes for a while but I hadn’t been able to come up with a name,, thinking about The Bonfire (or Blaze or Pyre? but going with bonfire for now cause I like how big and ravenous it is) because reading back over the transcript for Part 55 I noticed John uses a lot of fire imagery and parallels for how he acted in the Dark World, the fire of hate burning out of control and all. (and fire name works well with it being a Faroe progression chapter) it’ll be fun putting Bella in but interesting cause I have no base for how her dialogue would work/sound? She should totally be passive aggressive, possibly leading into furious if it seems like Arthur’s going to start leaving this Princess as well mmmm
took me a while to come up with the name but for now I’m calling the holy ghosts chapter The Gift (after Part 5 where John gets his name) because of how Noel will be the one to start leading everyone to see The Princess as their own person and not just something to interact with/someone that needs saving or to be killed but a whole other being with a life :D (also that will likely be progression for the Waylay which also will be cool)
im so close to being done with the ch IIs but realized I need to figure out where they all lead first,, I don’t have names for the arm cut off ones yet- was thinking Darkthur’s could be something like what his world would have been like? distrustful and at odds with the Princess/John, but I don’t have a name or real chapter direction yet,, same with Oscar’s- his would be more trusting and they’d be working together, more friendly? but names are tricky,, I want them to parallel because that’s always cool (gotta read through transcripts probably, that’s where I usually go when im out of ideas)
ohhh yes I really like the Bonfire !!! I usually think of Pyre as more of a sacrificial word, and whenever I hear Blaze I tend to think back to the Wings of Fire series... Bonfires though !!! Every time I've seen one they've been massive, and usually used to destroy things en masse !!! I think it fits really well ::] Maybe Bella could sort of project how she felt about being abandoned onto the Princess, like how Arthur protected onto Larson ? I imagine she'd also talk similar to Daniel, as most children tend to sound somewhat similar to their parents, even just in word choice !
The Gift is perfect !!! Plus bonus reference to the hospital, which is also a place where Arthur, Oscar, and Noel all met in canon.... Ooo..... Plus Waylay progression !!! I love the Waylay sm, it's very interesting to think about ::]
I think some sort of parallels between the Darkthur and Oscar chapter would be awesome oooh. Really wish we got to learn more about Darkthur, would probably make name-finding a lot easier lol. All we really know is that he is he shot Eddie, he is missing an arm, and him and his John presumably have a very different relationship !! And he also died (somehow) since Arthur was the last one left. Augh. I'll let you know if anything comes to mind for him ::] For Oscar's, you could always just steal 'the Faith' from his episode if you can't figure anything else out ? I think it's a pretty good name, low-hanging fruit maybe, but it could work ! Religion aside, he's having faith that the Princess won't just kill him for kicks, and putting his trust in them without really having much reason to do so.
Oooh yes!! that’s so good oh my god, Bella learning language and word choices from Danie makes so much sense and it gives a basis for what her dialogue could feasibly sound like yeahhh !!
That’s good! It works well with the chapter yeah and it’s a good nod to his episode which is always great :D I came up with The Blessing for Oscar and The Curse for Darkthur, trying to find something with parallels and blessing kinda fits with religion ? it’s also how Oscar saw Arthur’s presence as a blessing, an answer to prayer/his purpose and all, while Darkthur didn’t trust John, assumedly saw him as a curse ? it could probably fit with the chapters as i don’t have much for them anyway, the designs for the Princesses can be similar but Oscar’s is more positive and Darkthur’s more negative,, and i guess the chapter would be about the Princess becoming unbound- like in worlds where John and Arthur had managed to split? but idkk
yeahh ::D I mean, I figure she'd probably reference religion less often ? I thiiink Arthur mentioned how much Bella hated how controlling Daniel was with religion and all that, so she probably would talk about it less ? I just think she deserves to be bitter and angry,
oooh yeah !!! Blessing fits super well with the religious themes oomg. And since they're paralleling, a curse is kind of something directly opposing trad Christian things ? Since I think curses are more often thought of as a Satanism thing (at least they are by most trad Christians I know lol) so direct opposites there in every sense of the word, I liike it. Ooh yeah for Oscars Princess design, I imagine the Princess would look somewhat divine ? Halos, extra wings, eyes, maybe a cross motif if you wanna go that route, him associating this otherworldly being with the god he grew up believing in ? Darkthur's could align more with things humans traditionally view as scary or unsettling, like the dark for instance ? His Princess could be shrouded in shadows, or the domain they're in could be extra dark (fear of what's hiding in the dark, not of the dark itself) I think the chapter being about becoming unbound makes sense ? There was a focus on separation for both Darkthur and Oscar, Darkthurs being more that he didn't want to share a body with John, and with Oscar it was more of a John didn't like Oscar because he lacked the autonomy to interact with Oscar freely ? I think its a logical place for the chapters to go, it makes sense to me at least
Oh yeah! I do remember Arthur saying Bella didn’t like the strictness and religion that Daniel enforced, she’d probably stay away from talking about that (unless maybe comparing Arthur and his actions to something biblical because she would have the knowledge about it all and know Arthur doesn’t follow those beliefs, she could use that as a way to get to him maybe? like she doesn’t have to believe it, it could just be something she grew up with and has become a part of her kinda? idk) she definitely deserves to be angry and bitter (she deserves to shoot him with a gun but i don’t think I can do that), she would absolutely side with the Princess over Arthur instantly, and I think if this Princess hurts Arthur (which they might? they would be angry but also miss him, I could see a chapter ending like how John treated the alternate Arthurs, taking him apart and such) I think Bella might not be super intent on Arthur’s survival and more about him making things right, fixing the mistakes he made and doing what he can to make it better, like what he couldn’t/didn’t do for her (if that makes sense?)
OOOH YES ABSOLUTELY :D both of those designs sound so cool !! i feel like there’s good religious parallels in this too,, i think devils are fallen angels/got cast out of heaven? kinda goes with the separation theme,, rejected and cast out like how Darkthur tried to cut John out? while Oscar’s Princess/Blessed design is more divine like his faith and the acceptance of angels? I do really like the dark angle (yessss) and it’s a good parallel too, having Darkthur’s chapter be dark- shaped by his fear and distrust- and Oscar’s be light- shaped by his faith and trust mmmm
Yeahhh !! Separation and being unbound, and like the feelings that come with,,, I like the point that Oscar’s separation came from John feeling like he didn’t have autonomy, it would be cool to add a bit of that in his chapter,, something about how the Princess doesn’t want to be tied to Arthur/Oscar, feels like their existence is tied to his (true) and doesn’t like it, even though they got unbound in the last chapter they’re all back here again, doing the same thing all over again,, while they don’t dislike Arthur/Oscar specifically they do want to get out of this cycle or something ,,? Whereas Darkthur’s would be a lot more angry and distrustful, they both want to be free of the other and would be willing to fight again to end the cycle ?
Oooh yeah, he does something she doesn't like and so she compares him to the really strict Christians (or just Daniel lol) who I figure he'd probably hate being compared to, since he has such an aversion to religion in general. She ABSOLUTELY deserves to shoot him, you are so right. And that definitely makes sense !!! She'd probably go a more of a 'face the consequences of your actions/repentance and atonement' type of route with that !! I feel like she would still have some compassion for him, since they used to be good friends (that's how their entire situation got started, if I'm remembering correctly), though I don't think it would override her bitterness at the situation he put her in. Plus I think her Christian unbringing could play into her mindset with this, the whole divine punishment thing. She could see the Princess as some sort of divine figure, maybe some sort of alternative to the Christian God/one of the 'true' gods, etc. ooouggh Bella is so interesting to me. Both the Princess and Bella still caring about Arthur but also being angry at him for justifiable reasons. Ooouh
yay ::D and yeah, you're right on point there with the devils are just fallen angels thing ! Oough it feels like everything is connecting so nicely I love this
Oooh yeahyeah, that would be cool ! lack of autonomy is always a really neat theme to sneak into media. I think ::] Arthur/Oscar not necessarily understanding why the Princess wants their fates to be separate, but wanting to help regardless. Princess is kinda 'yeah, I care about you, but I don't want to be attached to you forever/wanting autonomy and control of their own fate, etc. Ooouh yeah Darkthur would be very willing to fight for it. He's so alley cat coded. He and the Princess both have the same end goal (seperating themselves) but maybe they disagree on how to reach the goal, or just flat-out don't like or trust each other enough to work together ! Whereas I think Oscar, being a priest and therefore someone who must possess people skills, would be able to compromise and work with the Princess, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with how they're going about things. Probably would also help that he sees them in a holy light,,,
Oh yes absolutely I totally agree!! Them having a past of being friends makes their dynamic so interesting, she didn’t use to hate him and she still probably has a part of her that left, some compassion yeah, though he deserves what’s coming (and worse). Her seeing the Princess as a divine figure is such a cool angle, perhaps a true god or maybe another figure sent as like. divine punishment for Arthur, a sign of sorts? Princess and Bella is going to be such a fun combination :))
Yeah!! :D okay glad that was right i couldn’t remember but it sounded accurate !
oouh yes exactlyyyy !! Oscar and Princess would have a lot better communication I think, they’d be a lot more inclined to help each other yeah, might even agree after being talked into it by the Princess? (it would be interesting to add in Oscar’s Purpose angle, maybe like he’s unsure what his purpose is, but thinks/realizes it’s to help the Princess?) and even if he doesn’t agree he could work out a compromise yeahh,; but Darkthur (who really is alley cat coded oh my god) would be more inclined to fight, doesn’t want to talk to the Princess, doesn’t trust them (and they wouldn’t trust him either) so while they might be able to talk it out and their goals are aligned, they probably wouldn’t.
yess ::D plus I think it could be interesting if Arthur decides to tell the Princess about Faroe, since any information he shared with the Princess would also be new to Bella, since she never got to meet Faroe (maybe didn't even get to see her, depending on how quickly she died after giving birth) which would 1) possibly make Bella even more bitter that Arthur got to actually spend time with their daughter, especially after he was planning to just. leave her and Faroe, 2) yay Bella-Princess bonding over baby Faroe info andd being angry at Arthur !!
Oooouh yeah.... Oscar's original purpose (Arthur) just kind of up and left, but then a new purpose (the Princess) showed up in his life, and he's got a chance to try and save someone again. (I think that's partially why he saw Arthur as his purpose before. He saw someone who needed redemption, who needed to be saved. A chance for him to both redeem himself by saving someone else and also making up for when he failed to save Alexander in the past) Plus I feel like Oscar is just. A lot more willing to make compromises than Arthur, who's just very ? 'i am the main character/master of my soul'. He just really loves his self-righteous monologues, which I doubt the Princesses would be too fond of, bc they'd probably be smth along the lines of 'you think you're hot shit ? I'm ARTHUR LESTER, the summary of all human experience. You can't kill me in a way that matters'. Darkthur, though !! I think if he ever discovered the 'time-out' feature Arthur used on Lillith he would abuse the helll out of it. I do agree that Darkthur and the Princess would not have a very stable relationship at all, it would probably be kind of similar to how Arthur and Yellow were ? except if Arthur was even more unhinged somehow
oh my god im so sorry i haven’t replied sooner
Oooh yes absolutely!! Bella making Arthur describe Faroe to her, all the things they did together,, maybe picking the most apologetic and nicest options help get Bella and Princess to not be *as* mad at him? Arthur could want to say that he’s changed, though his actions with the past Princess show he hasn’t changed Enough, that’d probably make them dislike him More oouh this chapter will have fun dialogue to navigate !! (it’s so fun having a Voice side with the Princess, have Arthur with both the Voice and the Princess against him,, usually the Voices are on his side mmmm)
YEAH! and ooh yeah Oscar’s willingness to make compromises is fun to play around with, it could add a little conflict if the right dialogue is chosen, Arthur could be led to feel more rigid (and oh my god real that’s exactly it) and if Arthur opposed the Princess, Oscar would need to mediate between the two and try and find a balance, and then convince the other two to follow him. ooooh
OOH it would be so cool if there was a way to implement the time-out feature in some chapters!! ik it happens in STP, there are a few places where you need to ‘clear your head’ or something like that and make the Voices go away,, like how the timeout works! that could be really cool in some chapters with multiple voices or more antagonistic voices- it would be Arthur timeout-ing the Voices not the Princess but it’s still a good enough parallel I think :D and yeah Darkthur is probably the most unhinged Voice, ill definitely use early s3 Arthur for a basis cause we don’t hear Too much of him in canon (early s3 Arthur my Nemesis,, i can understand where he’s coming from and still hold a grudge for how he treated Yellow my beloved)
also oooh good point in tags!! in STP I remember the Voices can sometimes use/control hands, i figure it could work pretty similar to that? if they’re compelled strongly enough they can start controlling a hand/arm? and it would be the left one :)) idk about eyes,, we do have a Narrator and the Voices can describe things similar to how John does for Arthur? but i don’t think we’re blind in STP,, i feel like it could go either way? i think i had defaulted to thinking Arthur and Voices both can see and was considering using blindness in another later chapter but either works I think! what do you think?
lol you're good dw ::]
Ooouh yeah yeah, Arthur would definitely pull the 'but I've changed ! I'm different now ! I've grown' and then Bella could just. point out all of the similarities in the ways he's treated both the Princess and her... oooughh
Ooh yes.. him trying to keep them both relatively calm and level-headed could be so fun asdddsffdfdg. Especially if he sort of snaps near the end, reaches the end of his patience ? Bc it's gotta be exhausting, trying to play mediator between a tragic, feral guy with main character syndrome and a literal god.
Riiight !!! Completely forgot about those tbh !! Ooough it'd be so fun to hear Arthur arguing with Darkthur, especially if Darkthur acts like early S3 Arthur (my dearly beloathed). Because yeah, Arthur could probably totally understand his reasoning !! But he might also feel like he has the Moral High Ground, since he no longer is quite as actively murderous. (I will never ever get over how he treated Yellow. Augh. I love early S3 Arthur bc we get a lot of interesting stuff about his character to really dig into !! BUT godd he fucked up so bad with Yellow)
ooough I think the Voices gaining control of left hand when they're particularly compelled works well !! Could be especially interesting in situations where Arthur and the Voices want very different things (like the Voices wanna slay the princess and Arthur doesn't, or vice versa). And the Voices describing things could be especially useful if they got put into a situation where Arthur couldn't see, or needed to focus on smth other than his surroundings ? Or it could be sort of a grounding thing, like the 'heart lungs liver nerves'. Hmm yeah I don't think Arthur should be blind in this au, but I do think the Voices should continue their descriptions of everything (if only to maintain a stronger sense of similarity to Malevolent) , which would help a lot in possible later blindness chapters !! Plus, having each voice give descriptions could help further characterize each one by how they describe their surroundings, what they choose to focus on, etc
YESS like,, you clearly haven’t changed when the living incarnation of your same choices is sitting right in front of us, and i can’t believe you have the audacity to suggest that you’ve grown and because of that we should just forgive all you’ve done ,, or something like that
Ooh yeah it would be so cool to have him snap at the end if he’s been mediating for too long! especially because Oscar deserves to crash out after all he’s been through (also him being usually chill would make them really listen to him when he snaps too I think)
Ooouh yes!! It would be cool if Darkthur Knew Arthur was a version of him as well,, he could approach Arthur that way as well like “I know you understand, we aren’t that different, you’ve done this before too” type arguments,, while yeah Arthur would definitely take the moral high ground (which would probably make Darkthur act Worse, considering how s3 Arthur responded to John in the beginning). i feel like these two could easily get caught in a spiral of making the other worse and that’s such a fun dynamic to play with :)) Darkthur trying to convince Arthur to go back to his Dark Side, while Arthur is talking all about how he’s better now and he’s grown and he’s Better and Darkthur should be more like Him etc ahdjsa
Yeah!! i mean,, Darkthur could totally do that, take the knife on his own and try to use it against the Princess,, Lillith might take possession if she feels strongly about a Princess, i guess any Voice could do it but i feel like some are more likely if that makes sense? like I don’t see Marie trying to take a knife- and even Bella might prefer a vocal approach ? Daniel also would probably Not want a knife near him,, but Butcher would totally take the knife if he tried
Ooh yeahh, or if they feel like Kayne’s being an unreliable Narrator (he would), like the mirror situation in STP? I really like them describing things for grounding, cause yeah it parallels the heart lungs liver nerves but also that’s something John does for Arthur when he’s panicking or needs to get his mind off of something yknow mmm,, and yeahh it’s a great way to add further characterization and distinction between the voices!! that’s so fun ahdkaks
OOOH yes yes I like that
Absolutely !! Oscar crashouts my dearly beloved !!!! He deserves it !! Pluss you're so right that it might actually get them to listen to him !! I do feel like Arthur wouldn't back down super easy (unless he thought it would benefit him) but I have full confidence that Oscar could beat his ass. even as just a voice in his head
ooouhohhh yesss I love that !! Darkthur would definitely hate Arthur trying to act morally superior, especially since they're literally the same guy !! Esp since Arthur would go on his long-winded rants about humanity and such. Which would be made worse by the whole 'what makes you special ? Why do you have full control of the body and I'm stuck as a voice in your head ? Don't I deserve the same thing ? We've both done awful things, what makes my actions less justified than yours ?' plus Arthur comparing Darkthur to how He used to be... ooough... kind of like the whole 'well back in my day'
ooo good point !! With Marie though, she did kill her husband by herself, so she definitely is capable of violence !! We don't know the exact circumstances tho soo... I don't think she would want to hurt anyone else after that, but she didn't seem particularly broken up over his death ? Much more upset about Hattie and her son. Similar with Oscar !! I don't think he would usually try to grab the knife himself, but I do think if he thought it was justified, or the 'only way', then he would. Especially if he thought it would save the world; sacrifice the one to save the many ? (giving the Princess the Jesus treatment) I think Noel/Charlie could ? Like he would definitely shoot someone but I feel like. stabbing versus shooting take different things. Stabbing via knife is a lot more messy + hands on, plus he'd be more comfortable with a gun, so I think knife would have to be a bit more of a drastic measure, esp if you're having him try to talk his way out of stuff
ooouh yes Kayne unreliable narrator my beloathed <333 I don't think all of the voices would do Johns over-describing-when-nervous thing though, like I definitely can't see Marie or Daniel doing that. I feel like they're more a scandalized 'Oh my !!!' or 'Dear heavens !!' lol. The Butcher though ? Possiblyy. I feel like it takes a lot more to get him genuinely scared
Yesyess :D Oscar could totally beat Arthur’s ass if he put his heart into it, he just needs proper motivation
YESS TOTALLY they’ll have such a fun (horribly toxic) dynamic just constantly making eachother Worse (unless Darkthur can manage to get Arthur on his side? or Arthur finds a good way to appeal to Darkthur? something something about forgiving the parts of yourself you don’t necessarily like or want around anymore)
OH TRUE yeah she probably wouldn’t want to use the knife but she would if she felt like she had to, if not using it was going to be worse (though she probably wouldn’t have a ton of opportunities to want to use the knife, she wouldn’t be unlocked by violent actions). I feel like she’d more try to strengthen the bond between Arthur and the Princess, like how she encouraged Arthur to go see Daniel,, something about “say what you want to say now because it might be too late later”, she feels bad for not being as nice to her son and doesn’t want to see Arthur repeating her mistakes
Yeah i agree! Oscar probably wouldn’t choose violence first, but he does use violence in the past to protect those he cares about- Alexander and hitting Butcher with bedpan for Arthur. so if he got drawn to one side or the other, protecting Arthur or protecting John, he could possibly use the knife against the one trying to hurt who he cares about ? (and ooh yes him tying it to religion, Jesus treatment is so good oooouhhh)
Oooh good point, Noel would totally take a gun but yeah knife is more hands-on,, he could probably use it if he had to? i feel like he could have that attitude he had in 40 II, standing up to Yellow, maybe he’d try to throw the knife? cause yeah i don’t think he’d want to get that close to the Princess, even if he’s beaten them before, he’d much prefer to use his words. I feel like Charlie would be more likely to use the knife out of desperation maybe? like he’s already been beaten by the Princess and he’d do anything to Not Go Back, including risking it all? or maybe he’d just give up because there’s no point mmmm
Trueee !! Marie and Daniel probably wouldn’t even want to talk about Horrible Things(tm) like how Daniel didn’t want to believe he saw the tendril Arthur showed him, he’d probably want to just pretend it’s not real, Marie could probably acknowledge it but not want to talk about it? like how she would dodge questions about her husband and Hattie until confronted, she kinda more brushes over stuff she doesn’t like? I feel like Butcher (and Lillith too i think) would like describing things in painful detail to make them More scary, to try to make Arthur uncomfortable maybe? did Butcher ever describe Arthur’s surroundings to him in podcast or is my brain lying to me, i feel like he did at one point but i could be wrong. I think Lillith would enjoy trying to make Arthur feel Worse until/unless they are on the same side. and yeah I agree, takes a lot more to make them actually scared
absolutely !!! If he's not motivated enough after Arthur cut off his arm and dumped him at a hospital (after Oscar told him that he was his PURPOSE and helped him despite Arthur being a WEIRDO) then I think some liquor in his system could do the trick
Oooooohh.... I think them working together would be super interesting !! If they can just get over their own self-loathing long enough to try !! I think Arthur could be convinved to see things from Darkthurs point of view easier than the reverse, if only because it's easier to slip back into negative behaviors than it is to force yourself back into positive ones, yk ? Like it would be easier for Arthur to return to his prison pit/ early S3 mentality where he's angry and murderous than it would be for Darkthur to successfully reign himself back in. At least, I think so ?
OOHHH YOU'RE SO RIGHT !! Especially if the Princess and Arthur had developed a bit of rapport but then one of them ruined it by doing or saying smth they should've have (Jarthur canon divorce moment. Maybe the Princess brings up Faroe, like how John blamed Arthur for her death in liike. S2 ? Or Arthur does something to piss off the Princess, like refusing to tell them what Charlie or the other voices are saying idk) and then Marie just. scolds them until they fix it. Relationship counselor
oooohoo yeah.... If he ends up going for Arthur, that could be how he loses the pinky ? (Can't remember if we've already established anything on that) Plus I think it could also depend on how both of them treated him earlier; like if Arthur was just. openly mocking his faith or snapping at Oscar while he was meditating, I feel like he'd be more willing to turn the knife on Arthur ! Same thing if the Princess shows an interest in what he does (Maybe for Yellow, bc Yellow likes music and Oscar is a priest who can Most Definitely sing. But probably not John bc I feel like John just has an instant distaste for Oscar in most every universe ::[ )
Ooh true, throwing the knife would probably feel much safer for him, out of tentacle range and also out of mindfuck range (possibly not, but even just believing this is true would make him feel more secure). Mmm yeah I think if Charlie were to use the knife, it would probably be more on himself then it would be the Princess. That 'I can't go back' mentality, he's just desperate enough that killing himself (along with Arthur and all of the other voices !!) seems like a better option than running the risk of going back. Whiiiich could lead to a sort of scene where the voices are fighting for control of the hand ? Not entirely sure how that would work but. I seriously doubt they'd all be content to sit back and let Charlie kill them in a panic
oooh yeah you're so right !! I do think the Butcher sort of describes what's going on to Arthur ? When he's taking jarthur down to the basement to kill them, he's leading Arthur down the stairwell with directions where to go. But it's more just 'left here' than it is actual descriptions ? I think if he were to describe something he'd definitely reference the music he's constantly hearing, as well as also his job ? I just feel like he would describe gore strangely, kind of admiringly in a way. Like if they were to find something the Princess had mutilated, the Butcher would probably sound more like someone appraising a cut of meat than someone horrified and disgusted.i ALSO think Lillith and Bella should gang up on Arthur. He deserves that much, and also they can be angry about Faroe together (esp with how Lillith was in Part 58 about Faroe... Ooooughh)
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Oooh yeah you’re right, maybe he could get angry at Darkthur first, if Darkthur can push him that far, then he can get Arthur to channel that anger toward the Princess since he’s already lost his morality/high ground standpoint by getting mad,, then it’s just a “see? you’re already angry, you’ve done this before” kinda thing yeahhhh
YEAHH she’d probably be one of the few Voices that really Want to strengthen the bond between Arthur and Princess (and yeah they totally would mess stuff up and have a divorce moment even if things were going well,, Arthur not sharing what the Voices are saying is really good cause yeah that would annoy the Princess and he doesn’t really share what John says in canon mmmm)
Oooooh yeah i don’t think we have anything for the pinky!! and yeah good point, how both Arthur and Princess treat Oscar could totally influence who he sides with !! i was also thinking he might side with whoever seems more willing to be kind to the other, like if Arthur keeps wanting to attack the Princess but the Princess wants to escape together Oscar might side with the Princess? i Personally really want Oscar to side with Yellow because YES Yellow likes music and Oscar can absolutely sing and also i feel like Oscar “you are my purpose” Malevolent would give Yellow the respect and validation she needs so badly oouguh (i feel like maybe John always disliking Oscar can be avoided by him not really knowing he exists as a Voice? cause yeah that would kinda stack it against him :( )
Ooh yes good point, Charlie would absolutely want to use the knife on himself, that’s so Voice of the Broken of him oouh. I know in STP when Broken tries to stab himself, Hero gets control of the other hand and blocks it? it could kinda work more or less like that, though then the Voices would be able to control more than just the left hand,, though it could be Arthur using the right hand and Charlie with the left? and the other Voices are battling Charlie for control of the left hand? idk
OOOHH YEAH that’s so good !! he would totally describe his music- he could even sing/hum it, though i don’t know how to really carry that in besides just saying it in subtitles- it would be really cool if Butcher still hears music in his head despite being a voice in someone else’s head ooouh,, and him having a more admiring description of gore is so good, he’d definitely get the opportunity in at least some of his chapters! maybe even he could do that while describing injuries he/Arthur get from the Princess, talking about how they got hurt but more admiring/critiquing the Princess’s workmanship? and YEAH i love that part so much oh my god!! Lillith would side with Bella instantly and she already is sympathetic for Faroe ooouh they gotta get paired together somehow (Lillith my absolute beloved)
Mhmhm mhmmm yesss !! I agree that the Princess would be pissed if Arthur wasn't sharing what the Voices were saying, maybe feeling some sort of camaraderie over their shared lack of autonomy (Voices stuck in Arthur's head, the Princess being trapped in wherever they're trapped in) which could be a good divorce point !! Princess wants to know what the Voices are contributing to the conversation, and Arthur doesn't want to just be a mouthpiece
oouhhhh YES I love the Oscar-Yellow team up, it would be everything to me !!! Plus I've seen other Oscar + Yellow posts, stuff about Oscar sharing bits of his faith with Yellow and Yellow deciding that she wanted to be more like the kind, benevolent God that Oscar talked about.... HOWEVER. Arthur would have to be the one sharing these stories with Yellow and I do NOT think he would be as delighted as Oscar would be to share anything Christan (mmmm good point... and he wouldn't really have much reason to hate Oscar in this universe ? since in canon he hated Oscar bc of his own lack of autonomy and jealousy over Arthur. But now John can actually speak on his own and interact with the world so.... hm)
Ooooouhh I don'tknow if Arthurs got enough self-preservation left in him to successfully stop Charlie from using the knife on them, but I do think the other voices might ! OR the Princess could also just. forcibly stop Charlie ? Either via tendril just. grabbing the arm or maybe thru the same sorta mind control yellow used in part 40. But that would raise the question of why the Princess doesn't just compel Arthur to let them out. BUT that could also just be ignored and do this anyway becauseee it would make Charlie freak out SO much dude
hmmm, I don't really know how to convey that either, orher than Arthur asking him to stop humming ? I imagine that would make it pretty hard to concentrate, but the Butcher would probably hum mostly at points where they are either hunting the princess or being hunted
Ooh TRUE that would be a really good bonding point between Princess and Voices and divorce opportunity for Arthur and Princess! orr maybe if it’s a scarier/more violent Princess the Voices might not want to be heard, but the Princess would want to hear them anyway, and Arthur has to choose between them ooh,, but if it’s a nicer Princess the Voices might want to be heard (like Oscar might want to talk right to the Princess probably) and Arthur wouldn’t want to just sit here and speak for them yeahhh
YESSS also that’s such a good name for the Ch III Yellow and Oscar chapter- The Deity :D Oscar’s devotion and kindness making Yellow want to be like that is SO GOOD OUHH i love them so much absksns (but yeah you’re right, Arthur wouldn’t really want to share the Christian message- he’d probably want to go the other direction, talking about how it’s fake and bad and gives false hope and stuff,, that’s a good situation for the topic above- Voice wanting to be heard but Arthur not wanting to share,, maybe Oscar can convince him, say it’s a good way to help Yellow or make them less aggressive or something)
ooh yeah you’re right,, the Voices would be able to stop Charlie more than Arthur definitely. as for compelling, i do remember in STP the Princess is able to compel the player (by blacking out the other choice options) so KIY Princess being able to make things happen is definitely still possible (and a really good idea), if Charlie and Arthur don’t have enough willpower (and Charlie probably doesn’t have much) then the Princess can kinda take over, make the choices for them, and make them set her free (kinda like The Tower in STP) it would be so cool and would absolutely make Charlie freak the hell out :D
yeah, i was thinking something like just saying like “Butcher: humming” or something like in place of dialogue? and yeah Arthur telling him to stop is good, it would probably be annoying when he’s trying to focus on hunting or not getting caught yeahhh
oouh yeah !! I suppose it might depend on the Voice, with whether they'd wanna talk to scary Princess or not but. the vast majority of them would NOT want to (Butcher might because he is a freak like that)
Yess I like that a lot ::D Arthur probably would only agree to share what Oscar was saying if he thought it could help them kind of make Yellow more manageable lol
Oooooo yes that would be so fun ::D I do think Arthur would probably have the most willpower at any given moment, with how stubborn he is and how he handles any bad situation. Plusss Charlie freaking outttt while Arthur has to free the Princess ::D fun !!! That would be doubly bad for the voices, they already lost their autonomy and got stuck in some British guys head, they can control a little bit of the body sometimes and they can help make choices. But noww they can't even do that, they can't make choices and they can't move the body. No one is in control !! Arthur would probably make it more about himself (I'm losing my autonomy !! This isn't supposed to happen to me ::[ it's my body !!) and it could be so funn
oouh, yeah, I think that works !! I do NOT think the Butcher would appreciate being told to shut up but. maybe he would if it meant a lesser chance of being caught or losing the advantage in the hunt
Ooh true, Butcher would and Lillith would, Kellin might? Larson might as well because he’s into that stuff, but the others probably not? i guess I could see Noel trying to stand up to one, like in The Order perhaps ? but yea most of them probably would rather just have Arthur do the interacting yeahhh
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OOH YES Arthur would absolutely make it about himself while all the Voices are there like “well we had barely anything to begin with and now even that’s been taken away”, Charlie would be freaking out, Nobody but the Princess is having a good time right now ahdjsk (probably depending on which other voices are in there some would try to calm Charlie and some would probably just try to shove him away and try to regain at least a little control,, mmmm fun)
ooh yeah, though if he was just humming in Arthur’s head he probably wouldn’t be in danger of being heard? he might get more mad at Arthur for telling him to shut up, because Arthur would actually have to talk mmmmm
Oh God I hope if Larson says anything he gets shut up SO fast he would fuck everything up crazy style. Like yeah, it wouldn't be the same as in S3 since all of the Princesses already know they're gods, or a fragment of one, but still ! Crazy cultist guy inside the head of a guy who HATES cultists, trying to talk to one of the things he worships ? He would just be so annoying to have inside your head wow
Ooouh I imagine Arthur doing all that would just lead to a lot of the voices yelling at him. Yiiikes headache time ! Hmmm I wonder who might try to calm Charlie down tho. Probably Oscar, comforting people is a big part of his job ! (eheh holy ghosts....) Marie and Daniel I can't see doing that I, I feel like they'd be awkward and uncomfortable. The Butcher, maybe ? I feel like he would do it in an Interesting way tho. Lillith could, but I don't think she would bother unless it was in her best interest ? like if Charlie panicking wasn't putting her in a bad spot, I doubt she'd try to help. Larson - absolutely not. He would be so awful at it, God. Bella ? Maybee ? Don't really know about in canon, but maybe she's as awkward with it as her dad ? Darkthur could, since he is Arthur and Arthur can do it. I just think he probably also wouldn't bother
Mmm true true. Probably would tell him to just 'focus on the hunt'. Hes not being annoying, Arthur ! He's providing background music ! He is setting the mood ! I imagine the Butcher would probably be much less threatening without the means to actually kill Arthur or hurt him without hurting himself in the process, so Arthur could just tell him to shut up ig
HE REALLY WOULD BE SO ANNOYING unfortunately for everyone he’s a main voice on one of the Yellow routes 😔 there’ll be a whole chapter where it’s just him and Arthur,, Arthur should be able to timeout this guy cause Yeah he’s really going to be such a pain (he’s going to want to try and “set the Princess free”—and reset the cycle— so that they’re indebted to him and he can hold power over them. taking advantage of the situation to gain power) a possible progression chapter from his Ch II has Oscar as an added voice so they get to interact! and that’ll be interesting, power hungry cultist and priest devoted to serving others :]
Oooh yesss Oscar totally would! (yay holy ghosts!!) I could see Marie kind of doing like a pep talk of sorts, like a “keep it together young man” type thing maybe? and yeah Daniel and Larson wouldn’t be any help at all, I do agree Butcher would probably try to calm him somehow (because he knows freaking out isn’t going to help Anyone), he definitely would be interesting about it though (i don’t think threatening Charlie to calm down would work? though it seems like something he could do) but he would absolutely have Some way of doing it,, Bella perhaps? but maybe she has other things to worry about, she’d maybe be wanting to get the Princess out of the chains/sympathizing with them(which would make Charlie worse)? yeah i agree Darkthur wouldn’t bother, he probably wouldn’t give a shit about any of the other voices ahdjs
Yeahhh exactly!! (the question would be if Butcher would be willing to hurt himself to hurt Arthur,, i don’t know how much he’d mind getting hurt and he’d probably enjoy being able to hurt Arthur if they’re not seeing eye to eye or just being able to get a reaction out of him cause he’s a freak like that,, mmmmm)
Yikes 😬 I do NOT envy Arthur, it's bad enough having a southern asshole in your head at the best of times, much less when you are actively trying to kill god !! also ooo.... Oscar and Larson interactions would be so so interesting (if only they had physical bodies so Oscar could hit him over the head with a bedpan <//3)
I think Oscar's help would actually be Helpful, Marie's....? eh ? probably wouldn't completely solve the issue but it would be better than nothing ! at the very least it might distract Charlie from the issue at hand. Mmm the Butcher..... I think he would know a thing or two about how to slow down your breathing (for hunting and his Job) which he could use to help Charlie calm down. He would be Weird about it tho,,, I feel like calming Charlie wouldn't be Bella's top priority, yea, bc she's more focused on the Princess, and so long as Charlie's panic isn't getting in the way of that, she can work around him. Plus, if the other voices are helping him, she can try and shift Arthurs focus away from Charlie and co and back onto getting on the Princess's good side
oooo yeah.... I don't think he's got too many qualms about hurting himself (after he learns that Daniel is still alive in S4 we can hear what sounds like him slapping himself ? didn't read the transcript tho, not certain), tho I think hr would probably prefer not to. I Do think he would try and hurt Arthur in order to 'try and show him who's boss', and then the other voices would freak out because they kind of needed that finger
oh my god sorry it’s been so long i was on spring break and i usually write when im on the bus to class so i just forgot
REALL and yeah!! i feel like it’ll be interesting cause they’re both very religious but in very different ways, Larson wants to harness the power of the gods and appeal to them and sacrifice other people for his benefit and whatnot, while Oscar worships his god but does it by serving others and doing everything he can to help Other people/sacrificing himself for others yknow,, i feel like that could have an interesting dynamic of them both not respecting the other’s religious choices and beliefs (though Oscar would more want to convert Larson and Larson would just be like “you’re stupid” probably?) (and yeah if only Oscar could beat Larson up,, he deserves it)
Ooooh yeah yeah absolutely!! Butcher knowing breathing stuff is very cool and makes total sense, and it’s also cool that he approaches it from a hunting standpoint- offense not defense, while Charlie’s all defensive wanting to escape the Princess, Butcher trying to work with Charlie but they’re both coming from different places is fun to think about ! and ooh yeah Bella using Charlie more as a distraction for the other voices so she can focus on getting Arthur on her side and befriending the Princess is such a good idea
Oh true! and yeah he totally would hurt Arthur to show who’s boss (him hurting Arthur’s hand is interesting here cause yeah, the other voices would try to stop him cause they also use that hand and don’t want their shared body to be hurt- though maybe Butcher could try and convince them to be on his side and they wouldn’t try as hard to stop him? though that probably wouldn’t work cause they’d all feel the pain too)
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Yeahhh mhmhm. Larson has always given me ex-Christian vibes ? Like I have no idea what denomination but To Me I've always kinda figured he used to be in a church before he was in a cult, and I'm sure that would play a part in their dynamic ? Because he would probably have Big Feelings about the church and how his cult-y stuff is just so much better (and he's clearly got at least Some level of experience with Catholic Church stuff if he's comfy enough with it to just. walk into a confessional to hire a hitman). I think Oscar might just struggle to understand how someone could worship a deity that inarguably shows no regard at all for humanity, and also would just. entirely dislike how Larson treats his gods (like how he instantly tried to use Yellow to get more power within his own cult, using Yellow as a tool instead of treating Yellow with reverence,,) bc it would just be so ? foreign to him
ooooo hmmm yeahh I wonder if there is anyone he could convince tho ? I think Larson Would want to get any sort of upper hand on Arthur but I don't know if he'd be willing to hurt himself to get that. Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella ? Probably not. Charlie and Noel tho, I Do feel like there is probably some line of reasoning that could convince either of them. Darkthur absolutely would, he doesn't give a shiiit about self-mutilation (him removing his own arm to keep John from having ANY more control...)
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Yess you’re totally right! i thought i remembered there being a statue of some catholic saint in his house (i have a vague memory of Yellow asking Arthur why/how he knew who the saint was, and Arthur brushing Yellow off and saying he’s already explained it to John or something like that) but i don’t know for sure if that actually happened ahsjs. I absolutely think he used to be catholic whether im remembering right or not, cause yeah the confessional and also he just kinda has those vibes to me (ive never been catholic). I also totally agree, Oscar would not really understand the way Larson worships/treats gods and the gods he chooses to worship,, and Larson would totally scorn Oscar and his god and worship. i love to think about Oscar treating Yellow with reverence (as she deserves) and Larson would be so confused and annoyed, he’s so used to controlling the gods and using them for power while Oscar’s just being kind,, and Yellow’s not used to being treated like that,, ahsksksje my beloveds
i feel like maybe if the voices and Arthur were all riled up enough, if there was Enough conflict between them and if they were already hurt or in danger of being hurt then maybe Larson would go along? but idk,, Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella all wouldn’t yeah, and i think Noel could need some solid convincing but yeah he might? get on board if he really thought it was necessary, Charlie i think could be intimidated into it? or kinda like Voice of the Broken, getting hurt a little now doesn’t really matter cause we’re gonna die anyway. Darkthur Absolutely would, oh my god he and Butcher are a horrible (amazing) combo they’d be so destructive to themselves and others
Oooouh I don't have any specific memories of that happening but it sounds probable !!! Definitely remember Arthur brushing Yellow off agdhdh. I alsooo think Oscar would be extra nice to Yellow partially out of spite for Larson, if only because Larson reminds him of McKenna (abusing children under his care, putting himself at the head of a religious organization and using the power to hurt people, etc etc). Loveee any aus where Yellow and Oscar get to hang out I loveee them ::D And yeahh Larson being confused about why Oscar is being so kind to Yellow the same way he was confused about Arthur being kind to John, yesss
Ooouhh yess Darkthur and the Butcher..... absolute nightmare together, but their dynamic would be so fun and I think I need to go see if there is any content for them yet. Larson I think would probably look for any way he could avoid getting hurt himself first, but if it's not possible I think he would if desperate
i very well could have made it up in my head ahdjsk,, still kinda want to comb the transcripts though. gotta remember once I’m back from class today cause I’m not reading all that on the bus I Will get sick. also LARSON REMINDING OSCAR OF MCKENNA IS BRILLIANT OH MY GOD I’ve never thought of that but YEAH!! corrupt religious leader mistreating children, a bad portrayal of religion (larson’s not his religion but still),;; YEAH oh i love that thought so much. Oscar would hate Larson’s ass so bad. he and Yellow should kill that guy. or at least Oscar can knock him out and Yellow can kill him
Oooh is there? cause yeah that would be so fun,, would it even be considered a crackship if Darkthur probably interacted with a Butcher in his world? maybe? or maybe he didn’t make it that far idk. wonder how long he lasted actually, he seems like one that has the fight to survive. kinda think Kayne took him out himself, since he likes Darkthur so much but. mmmm i dunno
ooh yeah i agree! Larson’s definitely the guy that wants others to take the hurt instead of him, but he also will do what (he thinks) needs to be done to get what he wants. yeahh
Aaa sorry it's been a bit again, did you manage to find that tho ? genuinely curious, I tend to space out when listening sometimes so it's veryy possible that I just missed that conversation ::]
mhmhmmmm Oscar finally feeling like he gets to finish the job with McKenna by killing Larson 🙂↕️ making killing Larson his purpose the same way Arthur was so hyper focused on it 🙂↕️ dunno how relevant that is to rhis au BUT it's very fun for me to think about
maybe not a crackship but definitelyy a rare pair. And I don't know !!! I think about where Darkthur ended up a lot; how did he die, did that affect where he went after ? if Kayne killed him would he still go to the Dark World ? If so, I think it's definitelyy within the realm of possibility that he met ONE of the butchers, though probably not the same one middle c Arthur met. And since he didn't have the lighter, the interaction would've been muchhhh more violent !!!
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I found it!! It’s in Part 23: The Past, after Yellow and Arthur escape Uncle by climbing on the outside of the manor. they go into like a storage room and there’s at least one saint statue (though Yellow implies there’s more) so Catholic Larson is,, implied? I’m not sure why else he’d have saint statues in his house but there could totally be other reasons (for a bit there I totally thought I hallucinated it or I was wrong and Arthur found a statue with John somewhere else ajsksks im so glad it’s real)
OOOH oh my god yes!! not sure how it could fit in but AAG if there’s a fic about that i need to read it so bad it really is so much fun to think about :D
oh yeahh that’s the word I was looking for! and I figure if Kayne killed Darkthur hed go to the Dark World, cause Kayne killed Arthur in 52 and he went to the Dark World? but he might have killed him and shipped him straight to John to be bone cathedral-ed,, I’d rather believe he did get to be an absolute menace in the Dark World for a while before his inevitable disassembly (and meet a Butcher!! they would be so incredibly horrible for each other there and that’s so much fun to think about)
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Got into Slay the Princess recently and now I really want to combine all the characters living in my brain so. has anyone here ever considered a STP Malevolent AU. am I losing my mind or could this possibly work
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I had been making it a little more Jarthur-centric in my mind, my thoughts were John as Shifting Mound/Princesses and Arthur as Long Quiet,, cause of how Arthur’s experiences and Choices made John who he is (and I wanted the together in every universe aspect), Kayne as The Narrator- I had stuck him there because of his master plan to remake the world, goals they both share,, same motivation whatever- but you’re totally right about the divorce bit as well, Narrator/Kayne wants Princess/John gone but favors Long Quiet/Arthur (this addition makes me feel better about sticking Kayne as Narrator it fits pretty well now yay) however using KIY as Shifting Mound also works well, explains the variety a bit more rather than just alternate universes and different choices mmm
I wasn’t sure about the Voices, I think I was just gonna stick Arthur’s friends/people he meets in there just cause I wanted to and call it a day BUT I didn’t think about the dream/nightmare sequences!! that makes it actually work plot wise instead of me just wanting an excuse to add The Guys :D the Voices being alternate Arthurs is also really cool, matches better with STP lore I think,, though I’m leaning towards doing other Malevolent characters cause I do enjoy trying to fit everyone in,, and there’s more selection there as well but I could see it going well either way tbh
the main thing im struggling with- if other characters are the voices- is who to put for which voice,, it might be easier to just call the voices Alternate Arthurs and not elaborate. on the other hand i did make a list of characters that could feasibly be Voices and kinda. give them new titles- they’d be different voices but they kinda do reflect aspects of Arthur’s personality?
put this together in like a half hour and im very open to other ideas as well im going off of a thesaurus, vague character knowledge, and Thoughts :)
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Okay okay so for Noel, you know how a lot of people give him identity issues, with 'Noel' kind of being his more confident, outgoing side, and 'Charlie' being kind of where he shoves all the PTSD and anxiety and stuff ?? I'm explaining it so badly but !! Maybe Charlie and Noel are separate voices, separate aspects of the same person. Charlie (Broken(taking one from the actual game)) and Noel (Charismatic maybe ?)
And if we're including people as the voices, I feel like it's only fair to include Faroe !! She could represent like his lingering guilt or whatever (canon compliant), or if she's not a voice then she still definitelyy should be included somehow
And so then Yellow would be one of the outcomes when Arthur chooses to interact violently from the start, and John would be an outcome when Arthur chooses to start off cautiously and then rescue the Princess ?
ALSO !!!! The mirror in the game !!! I feel there should be some sort of reference to the scene in S1 of Malevolent but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it should be so
Alsoooo I could be wrong but I think the Narrator looks like a crow in the game ???? it's been so long since I've played but if that's the case !!! just picture a crow with Kayne's big horrifying smile from 59, I think that would look sick
PLUS it makes even more sense for Kayne to be the Narrator because the knife that the Bird Guy has in the game could be the same knife that Kayne gives Arthur !!! So it kind of fits with canon !!!
since Yorick mentions that Arthur and John are the 'Day of Wrath ' in S5, maybe that's what the Narrator/Kayne keeps calling whatever is going to happen if Arthur doesn't kill the Princess ? But like he just refuses to elaborate in typical Kayne fashion
Oooooh yeah! I had made the number of voices match with how many are in the game but I don’t know how much that really matters, I really like the dual personality Charlie/Noel! maybe both Charlie and Noel are linked to the same Princess, it’s just down to certain dialogue options to determine which ends up in the next chapter? like if you’re a little scared of the Princess you get Charlie and if you’re more friendly you get Noel?
I really want to add Faroe but wasn’t sure how to add her as a voice since she doesn’t really speak in podcast but she could totally be one anyway, not sure where else she’d fit in and you’re right she should be there (she could be hero-esque in the way that she’s with him always? and she would be more urging to save not slay so it could work maybe)
Yeah! Yellow could represent the more violent Princesses and John could be the more gentle ones,, maybe the ones that have a more neutral/unengaged ones can be Hastur, no violence that creates Yellow and no kindness that creates John
OH YEAH well the mirror in Malevolent led them to the Dreamlands which is where the KIY resides so that could work? like passing through the mirror to get to the Dreamlands rather than the Long Quiet in STP. I was also thinking about the mirror that always appears in every chapter II and the fact that the Narrator can’t see it, I was trying to think about how I tie mirrors to the lighter in Malevolent but haven’t gotten far yet. also the Voices are linked to the mirror (shards of glass? i haven’t played all routes in STP yet so im not fully sure) and idk how to tie that in yet
OH YES TOTALLY!! the narrator is a crow but with teeth so that would absolutely work and look sick as hell :D and oh my god yeah the knife works perfectly too!!
Ooh yeah,, tell Arthur it’s all leading up to the Day of Wrath and he needs to slay the Princess (or would it be King in this AU? i kinda like calling John and Yellow princesses but I think King makes sense in Malevolent lore,, though I kinda want to keep calling them princesses) anyway then he’d only talk about his true plans later yeah in typical Kayne fashion,, after enough chapters or in the end :D
Yess that's absolutely where I was going with the Charlie/Noel thing, maybe like if the Princess successfully kills Arthur, then the next voice they get is Charlie. But if Arthur successfully convinces the Princess that he won't hurt the Princess so he can close enough to kill, then the next voice is Noel !! I'd imagine the point where the paths diverge is where the Princess got free of her chains, and Arthur has to either successfully convince the Princess that he's there to help, or he tries to kill the Princess and is killed instead
Maaybe one of the voices (Daniel or Bella maybe ?) could bring up Faroe, probably more vaguely at first, and maybe eventually one of the Princesses brings up Faroe just kind of out of nowhere, maybe as an attempt to stop Arthur from killing them ? Kind of like how John would bring up Faroe in earlier seasons during the Jarthur divorces
On the topic of Faroe, I do think she would Eventually come up in the Princess/Arthur conversation. I think if Arthur mentioned that it was his fault Faroe was dead, the Princess would feel maybe more righteous (idk if that's the word) in killing him, but if he didn't mention, maybe they would let Arthur get closer
Also, since in the game the Bird Guy has a more ? monstrous form than the player expects, maybe Arthur should have something similar ? Like he looks in the mirror at the end of each chapter and doesn't recognize what he sees. Which could be either bc he was *expecting* to be more monster-like (because surely only a monster would do the things he'd done) or because he was expecting to look more human (something about how he 'is the best and worst parts of humanity' like what he says to Kayne)
Whenever the main character approached the mirror, the voices would go away, right ? I feel like that could be connected back to Addison, right after Arthur had lost John and was finally alone in his head. Something about making a deal with Kayne/the Narrator to get the voices back ?
I very much agree that John and Arthur should keep being called Princesses, it sounds pretty and also I think in terms of character design, something more dress-like would look cooler !! Plus it would be easier to incorporate some sort of tentacle motif into a dress than a suit (?) in my opinion
Also !! I do think the either the Darkthur or Oscar voice should come after the Princess removes Arthur's arm, depending on how the interaction goes. If Arthur willingly lets her take the arm, then it's Oscar. If she forcibly does it or Arthur does it to himself, then it's Darkthur. I remember there was some sort of scene where the Princess bites her arm off to escape the chains ? I'm not entirelyy sure about how Arthur would end up in the arm-removal situation (combat ? starvation ?) but I think the fact that Darkthur and Oscar are both missing the same arm is too good a parallel to do nothing with !! :]
Yeah!! I was thinking Charlie/Noel could be more of a dialogue choice variation, like if Arthur picks mostly “you’re evil you need to die” options or generally has that “fuck you and that horse you rode in on” attitude he’ll get Charlie, and if he’s more friendly “you’re a good person, I know you are” options he’ll get Noel but that sounds good too!
Oh yes Absolutely!! I love Faroe being kinda hidden in dialogue till the plot progresses further, just some references at first, maybe Narrator could even hint at it “don’t pretend this is the first time someone’s died as a result of your actions” or something like that,, and yeah Daniel or Bella should absolutely be the Voices to bring her up, and they’d do it in different ways as well I think, Daniel would probably weaponize her more while Bella would try and get him not to make the same choices again or smth? And yeah maybe if Arthur listens to the talk about Faroe or picks some options reflecting her then the Princess could bring her up- and they could also present it in a different way depending on how nice/mean Arthur’s been to them,, either yeah like early seasons divorce or later on how John like comforts Arthur. (Im working on possible paths/Princess routes so now I’m filing away a Faroe ending, basing it off that one line in s5 I think? the “you have two souls within you” I really like this idea ahdjs)
Oh yeah totally!! I was thinking just a vague dark silhouette with just bright yellow eyes, and his form gradually becomes clearer and more humanish but i really enjoy a fucked up Arthur Hare design mmmm both are good,, there are four mirror bits (the fifth being Nothing At All before you meet the Narrator) so there could be room for both somewhat, start as a shadow, look slightly monstrous in the middle but fade back into painfully human at the end? idk
oh maybe? It might be hard to tie in but it could work,, I was just gonna leave it as that and keep the STP mechanics for it and not elaborate,,, cause the mirror is a gateway to Long Quiet and the voices always leave there but they come back once we’re back in the “world” but yeah I see the parallel (though admittedly the Narrator doesn’t really like having the voices there so I doubt he’d give them back)
Yayy :D ahsksj they can have so many cool designs i gotta draw these guys so bad
Oooh yeah that’s good!! Combat would probably work, but I also remember there’s a Prisoner route where the player can get their arm chained to the wall so maybe something like that? Arthur gets chained to the wall and has to remove his arm? and if you remove it to fight or remove it in a particularly violent way (or the Princess already hates you) then you get Darkthur, and if you keep calm and do it to help safe the Princess/have the Princess on your side then you get Oscar? gotta add Darkthur to my list of Voices he’s a very cool one
I also know (for the most part) whenever you finish a chapter, you get a new voice so the voice is linked to the Princess you’re on. im starting to work on some chapters/routes, I was thinking maybe like 2 or 3 for each main base (John, Yellow, Hastur) so there would be 6-9 chapter II Princesses, and then those could go to a Chapter III or Epilogue or something like that so. gotta match the voices to the chapters as well (I’m planning on shaping the chapters after stuff that happens in canon and more or less putting Voices with characters they’d associate with, like Larson can go with a Yellow chapter, etc)
oooo yess, I do think if you get the Charlie route, whichever Princess you have at the time should get to torture you KiY style, which could make the Charlie voice more subdued and maybe care less about what happens to Arthur. And maybe if you get tortured, in a later playthrough it could affect how friendly Noel is towards the Princesses ? (Sort of referencing his reaction to seeing Yellow in the Order of the Fallen Star)(Idk I really gotta check up on the mechanics of this game)
Yess, I do think Daniel and Bella would both sort of weaponize Arthur's guilt over Faroe, though the ways they would go about it would be vastlyy different (like father like daughter ! They can both have a bit of passive aggressive self-righteous anger at Arthur. As a treat) And if the Princess brings up Faroe I think Arthur should be angry that they brought her up, esp at first, but then maybe he kind of warms up to talking about her, depending on how the conversation goes. There should be one route where the Princess goes to far with talking about Faroe and Arthur just straight up kills them (oomg the Faroe ending sounds absolutely sick so far)
Oooo yes I love shadpw Arthur !!! Maybe he gets more hare-like traits if he does a route where the Princess hunts him down Butcher-style ? Idk. I do really like your idea though !! In the end, Arthur is human, and painfully so. Compared to the Princesses, he's insignificant and powerless ! He's not enough to beat them on his own, and all of his failures and shortcomings are painfully human and very much his own. I like the idea of him looking into the mirror and finding all of what he considers the weakest points of humanity looking back at him
So the Long Quiet is essentially like the Dreamlands, right ? Bc the mirror takes the mc there and removes the voice(s) (although in Malevolent it's just so the King can fuck with Arthurs head for a bit if I forget right) so would the scene where we see the Shifting Mound/the Princess in its entirety be set in Carcosa ? Like post-remodel Carcosa, since John and Yellow fix it up after they rejoin in canon
Oooo yes I think the Prisoner scene would be perfect !!! Maybe the Oscar one happens if you trust the Princess to remove your arm for you ? Like if they decide to help and Arthur decides to let them (like Oscar trusting Arthur to remove his arm) and Darkthur is if he just decides to do it himself. I do really think Darkthur would be a great voice, esp since he's Like Arthur but he's so clearly Not. Give Arthur something to kind of project his self-hatred on
Ooo, yes that sounds good !! Also, if Arthur himself can remember past routes, and he gets a John route before a Yellow one, maybe one of the defining moments would be him comparing Yellow to John, like he did in canon ? Ignoring his own role in turning yellow into what he became and sort of thinking of the John version of the Princess as more good or pure, even if he had a negative experience with John
I worked on the Noel/Charlie part a bit, what I have is like a Prison Pits inspired chapter, and if Arthur escapes he gets Noel/Confident and if he dies there he gets Charlie/Tormented, I’m absolutely adding torture into the notes for that chapter! I feel like Charlie will be very against the Princess in the next chapter, and Noel will be suspicious but able to change, he can notice that the Princess is different next time. they’re also linked to two different chapters (once you progress through three Pits you go to two different chapters based on if you get Charlie or Noel)
here’s what I have for that chapter, hopefully it’s relatively legible i was working on it later than I should have last night
OOH YES!! okay so a Faroe good ending (two souls/ I’ve been calling it The Spark— “she is the spark on every firelight you birth” line) and a Faroe bad ending (Princess talks about Faroe and then Arthur kills her, I want to see if I can tie that to the Part 18 divorce. gotta look into that)
Yay!! oh my gosh yes I forgot about Butcher, I have him as a Voice but there’s gonna be at least one chase/fight chapter so his Voice can be unlocked, the Princess that hunts him will definitely be calling him a hare or little rabbit or something (I want to make a wolflike Yellow chapter, like the wolves in Addison, I think this works with that one? Wolf vs hare, unlocks Voice of the Hunter if you don’t die)
I was thinking it kinda is? The main problem is that, in STP lore, The Long Quiet is an aspect of the player character and I’m not sure how to tie that in properly. torn between going away from STP plot and making it like the Dreamlands to match with the mirror in s1, or keeping it like STP story and Arthur has his own dimension now don’t worry about it (though admittedly The Narrator made the Long Quiet, so it could be like Kayne bringing Arthur around in Intermezzo almost? it doesn’t feel like too far a reach to say that Kayne/Narrator made Arthur a pocket dimension of sorts. idk) Tbh I like it in The Dreamlands a lot, I think it being in post-remodel Carcosa sounds really cool, it would just mean I can’t set chapters in The Dreamlands which would be fun
OOH YES THATS PERFECT okay i need to write out stuff for that chapter this is really good
Oh yes absolutely! I have a vague name down —The Eclipse—for a John turned Yellow chapter but I haven’t written much for it yet, that’s definitely going in there :D
ooooh poetry yesss !! One for each princess might be a lot of poems if there’s no repeats but for some late chapters he should totally share poetry
and as for Manager I haven’t really found a way to fit him in yet,, it doesn’t feel right to make him a Voice because of how important Kayne is so I was just gonna leave him out but idk
Oohh yes that's perfect I think !!! Maybe if they get Charlie/Tormented, there should be some instance of Charlie pointing out things that aren't there, or causing Arthur to question if anything they're doing is real ? Since such a big portion of Noel fanon includes him having post-King hallucinations, I think it could be cool to tie that in ? The next chapter he's being anxious and existential, and it would probably affect some of the other voices !! I think if Daniel was there he would probably be irritated at first but then maybe start questioning it himself, Kellin would probably add to the hysteria, Lilith would probably just be annoyed and try to shut it down so they can get on with slayinh the Princess, etc
Maybe if Noel is added, he helps kind of calm the others (bc he's Confident and he actually seems to have an idea of what's going on. Even if it's probably a lie)
ohh I LOVE 'the Spark' as a name, it feels so perfect for that !! For the bad ending, are we thinking he would kill the Princess in the classic Arthur style (going straight for the eyes and then brute forcing it) or just use the knife ? Like honestly I think he would be angry enough to just Arthur Classic it but maybe it's circumstancal
i love that omg !!! So if the chase unlocks voice of the hunter, would that be bc Arthur found himself enjoying the Hunt (even if he was the prey)(enjoying the Hunt, like how he seemed to relish hunting down Larson ?) or bc he managed to turn it around so he was hunting Yellow ? (Like how they did in the Dreamlands, killing the creature that was hunting them in the pit via rock) Oh, maybe after this chapter the mirror scene could be hare-ish Arthur !! Or at least him being human, but with those wide nervous eyes and overall jumpiness
maybe there's something about the gates of Carcosa keeping it separate from the rest of the Dreamlands ? The Princess is imprisoned with the chains and their city is imprisoned within the gates (Or something like that) which Could potentially make it so Carcosa could be used as the Long Quiet while the rest of the Dreamlands are still available for use in chapters ! Because I Do think it would be cool to have the forest for a scene (either for biting off the finger or for Arthur emerging from a tree after dying and going to confront the Princess)
ohhh the Eclipse is suchh a cool sounding name omg !! It's got very good design potential just going off the name I think !! Reminds me of those sun/moon masks, where the crescent moon is overlaying the sun ? I love that though ohh my gosh
Yes !! Like he Definitely won't share poetry if it's a more violent Princess, but maybe if he's trying to get them to trust him he'll recite a poem !! Or maybe if he's trying to self-soothe, especially if it's a poem that is similar to the 'Heart. Lungs. Liver. Nerves.' scene !! That could potentially be a good moment during the hunt, or maybe a torture scene ? On a similar note, I think the Butcher should be able to sing his song (especiallyy if they're Hunting) and Oscar should be able to hum or sing some hymns (he Is a priest and also I am CONVINCED he has a gorgeous singing voice. Most priests/pastors Do as far as I've seen)
Honestly yeah, that makes more sense !! At most there could be some sort of vague reference to the Manager and the Waylay but idk. Although after episode 60 I'm sure we'll have more Manager stuff to ponder about adding
OOOH YESS make Charlie like a cross between Paranoid and Broken almost,, post-king hallucinations make so much sense that’s so good oh my god and it would add good dynamics between him and the other Voices as well yessss
Absolutely! I really want to lean into his confidence even if he doesn’t know what he’s doing,, he knows he’s been chosen to be here and he’s braved worse and that’s all that matters etc,, thinking about him in Part 40 specifically and how even while he didn’t know about the Order before and doesn’t really know how deep it all goes, he’s always so ready and focused on the goal and doing his best to stay positive yknow
Oh he should totally Arthur Classic it!! partially because that’s very In Character for him and also because the knife is tied to Kayne/Narrator and he’s not killing for him, he’s killing for himself (plus something about hands that once held gently now turned violent or whatever)
I was thinking he begins as prey but ends up turning it around somewhat so they’re both hunting eachother? though I think all of those could work out,, even him being hunted and ending up losing can inspire him to be a better hunter in the next chapter,, like a hunted becomes the hunter type situation. and yeahh he should have like a more animalistic mirror version, i know in STP the mirrors are the same no matter what Princess you get so idk if it could be reliant on hunter? but it should definitely be one in the middle (STP has ‘you’, ‘grown’, ‘withered’, ‘unraveled’, and ‘nothing’ in that order, I haven’t thought about what Arthur’s would be yet ahdjs)
Oooh that could work!!! Carcosa is such a good location and with good ties to the KIY I really want to make it happen (and yeah I want to be able to use the Dreamlands or at least parts of it for chapters, I’m kinda using it for The Dream but it doesn’t specifically Have to be the Dreamlands) oooh if it is Carcosa then I can try and incorporate bits from The King In Yellow play (specifically like the beginning poetry kinda bits, maybe I could even use those for the mirror scenes, make them match with the verses somewhat? gotta work on that)
Yay!! Yeah that’s exactly what I was picturing! Something about John trying to be light/match Arthur’s flame, while Yellow ended up clouding it over
OH TOTALLY I gotta look up more poetry I really just know the ones from Malevolent ahdjs,, a poem paralleling Heart Lungs Liver Nerves would be awesome! and Butcher and Oscar would absolutely sing (i agree Oscar would have an amazing singing voice, he canonically hums to help himself think!! so it’s basically canon. gotta make him at least hum while he’s trying to concentrate or calm down or something yeahhhh)
Oooh Waylay is a great idea I’ll see if I can figure out a way to make a Waylay chapter because that Should be a thing,, something very hard to reach but it’s different because the Narrator can’t reach you there (because Kayne hadn’t been able to see the Waylay) and yeah 60 will definitely give me a Lot to think about here (it will ruin me I’m afraid)
yes yes yess... I really love the idea of Arthur having to deal with this whole cacophony of voices in his head arguing about whether the flash of yellow Charlie thinks he saw meant anything
absolutely !! Any time they'll all panicking bc 'ohh my god dude we're gonna DIE the Princess is gonna KILL us' Noel would be there to try and calm them down (probably referencing the prison pits ['hey ! It could be worse ::D ]) Him and the Butcher could have a really good dynamic, I think, if they do end up in a route together. They both seem like more of the cool-headed and reasonable type, they notice a lot more (like the Butcher being pretty much the ONLY one to point out how weird Arthur's eyes were, asking if he could actually see, etc)
Ohh my gosh yes good point augh !! I love the angst potential of Arthur as a father conflicting with Arthur as a killer
yess, so down for that idea !! Esp in the next chapter, if that's when he gets the Butcher voice, the Butcher can help him be a better hunter so they can trap the Princess !! Also, if we're hare-coding him, there could be some sort of 'lucky rabbits foot' thing, like maybe the Princess cuts off one of Arthur's feet/legs after catching him but before killing him.and in the next chapter the Princess still has it (like one of those crappy rabbits foot keychains iykwim)
Great minds think alike 💥💥💥 plus John's more golden color could fade to a paler, sicker yellow !!
Yess I mostly just know the Malevolent poetry, but I was pretty into poetry a few years back so I figure I could proobably find a heart liver lungs parallel (with. a couple hours of searching maybe) Oooooh maybe if Arthur finds a piano in one of the chapters (maybe a Dreamlands one ? or if there's a chapter where the scenery reflects his past, like playing at the piano while Faroe took her bath) then he can play it and the Butcher and Oscar can duet (their voices would sound so so pretty together trust me I know this in my SOUL). This is not important for the au lore but it is important to me and I like thinking about it
Oooo that would be cool !! I don't think I've seen the KiY play but I will absolutely probably go take a look sometime !! I Do think poetry would go very well with the mirror scenes, or maybe the Narrator/Kayne sort of offhandedly recites a few verses while he's giving Arthur his instructions ? Idk if that would sound right I'd have to check it out first
Also on the topic of the Narrator/Kayne, I really like thinking about Kayne doing his stupid manic laugh and how the crow face with the big freaky blackstone smile would contort to make the sound... freaky crow Kayne my beloathed
maaaybe if there's a Waylay chapter, Arthur and some of the voices that are canonically dead (Parker, Bella, maybe Faroe ?) could have some sort of interaction there ? I don't know if it would make a lott of sense for there to be a Princess in the Waylay, but that could also change depending on how episode 60 goes (I am SHAKING in my boots dude it's so over <//3) the Waylay could be something you could only reach immediately after a death, but maybe the death has to have certain circumstances surrounding it (like maybe it's similar to Arthur's death via Kayne dismembering him or being stabbed witch-style)
I do think it would be cool to have some sort of scene that parallels the hospital, where Arthur is in a coma and the Princess (probably John) is just waiting for him to wake up. Maybe Nurse Lily is just a Literal lily, like a flower growing in the hospital/wherever they are, maybe the Princess watches it grow as they wait ? Though I'm not sure why they would be waiting, because in most routes the Princess would probably jump at the chance to try and escape. Unless they were still chained ? Idk man food for thought ig
Yeah!! Im working on the voices and princesses, not sure who’s gonna be paired with who fully yet, but mmmm the character exchanges are so fun :D good point also about Butcher noticing things/Arthur’s eyes, that’ll be a good addition to his voice !! He can point out weird things about the Princess/have some general distrust along with his hunting abilities
:D I’m still not sure how to get to the Faroe routes fully, it might just rely on certain dialogue (choosing to acknowledge/mention her vs picking other options or something)
Oooh that would be so cool!! There is one chapter in STP where the Princess grabs/breaks the protag’s foot so it could probably even tie back to that in a way, the Princess could have taken it in hopes it would let them out or something but it didn’t, and now they’re keeping it around just because :))
Ooh yeah! :D mmmm character design ahdjs
Oh nice!! And piano is a great idea, it could also definitely tie in to the Faroe route, yeah in a chapter that reflects his past or maybe Parker or Daniel could make it appear or bring attention to it (oooh wait. what if it’s always there but Arthur can’t see it because he blocks it from his mind, until one of the voices point it out? then he can choose if he plays it or not, which can progress the Faroe ending?) also yes oh my god Butcher and Oscar duet would be AMAZING
full disclosure I haven’t read the play in full yet, I’ve read the beginning but idk how long it is, I’m strongly considering reading it just to maybe add references from it to here or use it for description ideas and such,, it’s been on my reading list for a while I just haven’t sat down to read a proper book in a while ahdjs
Oooh Narrator poetry is cool! I don’t remember if Kayne says any poetry in Malevolent but he’s kinda a theater kid so it doesn’t sound like a stretch,, he totally could say or reference a few lines in descriptions or maybe to try and get Arthur on his side oooh
OH MY GOD YEAHHH also like the main time we see The Narrator is through a shattered mirror,, all the shards showing different parts and stuff oughhhh he’s so cool
Ooooh yeah that’s really cool, I love the idea of just having More Voices in the Waylay (that’s kinda happened in at least one STP chapter, getting new voices in the middle of another chapter so it’s not much of a reach), and it would add to the like. off-ness of it, this place is different and we were not supposed to get here etc. I was thinking this chapter would have to be after probably two other chapters, and Arthur would have had to not listen to Narrator at all through both of them, keep saving The Princess and trying to leave, at the end of Ch II Kayne gets frustrated and steps in, (like how Narrator can take possession of protag’s body) which he’s not supposed to do, and either makes Arthur kill John/Princess and then kill himself or just kill himself (like the dismemberment sorta), and then next chapter Arthur and Princess start in the Waylay (i can’t believe we have like. 11 days till The End this is terrifying ahdjsjs)
Ooh wait this would be cool! There is a Prisoner chapter in STP where you can choose to examine a chain next to her and get chained to the wall next to her, and you both have to just stay and wait for the cabin to deteriorate around them,, this could be like that sorta? The waiting aspect at least,, Arthur’s gonna have to somehow end up incapacitated but not dead and the Princess would need to be chained without a way out,, I do love having an actual lily growing out of the wall or floor or something for John to watch mmm yeahh
Let me know when you've got a more solid idea of pairings ::D also, are you planning on making an actual game with this au, or is it more just food for thought ? Both are good in my opinion, just curious ::]
i think it relying on dialogue would be best !! Like, if Arthur chooses to just never bring her up, then it wouldn't make sense to get a Faroe ending !! Or, tying it to that piano thing, if he chooses to play one of the Faroe songs versus choosing to play something else (like some random sonata or smth)
Ouuhh you're so right !! They just snap off Arthur's foot (the left(?) foot... the one John canonically has control of.....) and keep it like a trophy!!
Oohhh yes absolutely for him not being able to see it !!! I for one believe Arthur is 100% of the 'what I can't see can't hurt me' mindset (which is NOT true because he can't see ANYTHING but EVERYTHING hurts him), and him just blocking it out makes sense for his character I think !!! I think the Parker voice mentioning it would be especially good, since we know in canon he bought Arthur a piano for their office (which Arthur ignored and never played), so he could point it out and ask if Arthur would ever get around to playing it again ? And that could spark some sort of convo that ended in Arthur Seeing it, and maybe playing it. And absolutely the piano being played should tie into the Faroe endings !!! If he doesn't play it, he shouldn't get the Faroe ending (he's not confronting his grief over Faroe and what caused it (his negligence and absorption with his work))
Reading it would probably be a good idea, if you've got the time !! Honestly I was just planning on finding a summary of it somewhere, or maybe an audio reading of it so I don't actually have to sit down and read something ? But yeah that's totally fair, I get not having the time or will to sit and read something
i don't remember if Kayne says any poetry either but I don't think it's beyond him to use a reference to something Arthur knows to try and convince Arthur to side with him !! Just kind of a subtle 'hey ! we have common interests and knowledge, you can trust me !', even if Kayne just kind of ? pulled the reference out of Arthur's head to use in conversation
OOOUH the mirror !! He'd look so horrifying !! gotta be one of my favorite versions of Kayne, he would make a great bird
ph yeah that sounds perfect !!! ::D would Arthur and all the Voices member Kayne/the Narrator taking them over in the next chapter ? I don't think I've seen that route (at least not in a long while) !! (I'm terrified !!! But at least we get a continuation of the series afterwards !! Like July I think !!)
ooh yes !! They could've had a fight that ended with Arthur being injured (maybe his leg was broken ?) and the Princess still being chained up. Maybe they chose to leave the dagger, so they weren't able to kill the Princess in the fight. The Prisoner chapter could also be tied to the Oscar/Darkthur route, if that's when they have to either self-amputate or let the Princess do it. Maybe if they choose to let the Princess do it, and promise that they'd release the Princess in turn, then they could have a choice to just leave the Princess there, or kill them ?
I will! :D I’m planning to have about two main routes per Princess variant, Hastur has The Dream and The Warden, Yellow has The Wolf and I haven’t gotten any more, basically that means each route has a main Voice with it (so Hastur’s main voices are Kellin and Lillith, Yellow has Butcher and will have Larson, and I haven’t done anything with John), they’ll all get another voice depending on the ch. III on though (okay idk if this makes sense I hope it does?) I don’t know how to make a game,, and I don’t want to like infringe on copyright if that’s a thing? I was thinking of trying to write it as a choose your own adventure-esque thing? but that would be really hard with different dialogue options so maybe I’ll just write it? it’s hard with all the options and stuff so I don’t really know ahdjsjs
Yeah absolutely!! and it helps make it stand out more / differentiate it from the other routes cause it is a little different than typical STP canon routes
Oooh yes absolutely the one John has control of (I don’t think we get to know in canon? I always assumed left though)
Ahsksj oh my god you’re so right about the “he can’t see anything but everything hurts him” and yeah!! That actually works so perfectly with what I have written for a current Parker chapter,, it’s a Yellow to John chapter- start with Yellow in like the cabin he starts in at s3, with snow and stuff, and Arthur can fight the Princess (called the Wolf), try to trap them, or secret third option: light a fire in the abandoned fireplace and try to help/bring light to The Wolf, if he does he gets Parker in the next chapter (I was going to work the next chapter’s Princess vaguely around fire already so making it a possible Faroe progression chapter is PERFECT, Parker can point out a piano in the next chapter and the Princess will already have a little history with violence but also be more inclined to be kind so it could go either way,, he could choose to play it and acknowledge his past and continue to make amends with the Princess or block out his past, turn on both it and the Princess,, YESSS)
Oooh audio is a good idea!! I like audio format more (I typically play Minecraft while I listen to podcasts, I like having something to do with my hands and helps me lock in)
Yesss absolutely ! And it’s more fun to write and add in references,, everything needs more poetry :D
HE SO WOULD I have never drawn Kayne before but I just finished my current project so I gotta draw him now oh my god (also just picturing his voice with like the rough crow sounds and stuff oouuhhhh)
I think so!! I do want Kayne/Narrator to be noticeably absent from the Waylay and having the Voices do it is cool :D also the narrator possession bit is easy to get in STP, you can get it in ch 1 if you don’t take the knife and keep trying to save her,, im making it harder to get (or at least further down) in mine though (Yeah!! I’m so excited for that, dying to know who it’s centered on/what it’s about and crossing my fingers for Oscar involvement,, and Yellow my beloved though I doubt it)
Oooh that could work! though it might be nice to have them separate chapters idk,, breaking Arthur’s leg is a great idea, I was also thinking maybe he could try to die or be killed or something, and Kayne wouldn’t let him die? so he’s vaguely in a coma or something of the sort,, not dead but not really There? not sure. Leaving the Princess at the Oscar/Darkthur route is veryyy cool, I gotta give them a new voice for that cause you won’t be able to get Oscar if you leave the Princess, it would be neat to have a three way choice outcome :D
also oooh I haven’t given too much thought to the Princess designs but I really like both ideas of them getting more human and them getting more monstrous so yeah,, maybe they do start at a middle ground so they can go either way? then them looking a little less human from the start could help with the slay routes as well, could make them seem a little more threatening if they turn that way, and keep getting monstrous with the violence routes and more human (or at least less threatening) with the kind routes yeahhh :D
yippiie ::D oooh yeahyeah that makes sense !! Games can be kind of tricky to make (in my ge u very limited experience) especially with so many routes !! But I think a choose your own adventure would be super cool omg, I've seen one where people just set it up on google slides or some simple coding !! If it was a game, I don't think it could be copyrighted so long as you make it obvious that it's a fan-made game ! For the choose your own adventure, it might be easier to limit the dialogue options to just two or three ? Like those visual novel things ? Definitely doesn't need as many as the actual STP game, that's a lot !! I'm not too sure about what voices could be linked with John's route, but I think it could be cool if he and Noel's voice had a special sort of connection ? Like with Noel being the first person to actually see John as a separate person from Arthur, and actually genuinely care about him. Maybe if they had a closer interaction it could be smth like Noel pushing Arthur to interact with the Princess as a person, not just an objective to complete
im pretty sure John has his left hand !! That's what I've always seen in fanart (haven't checked the wiki) and I just kind of associate left with anything KiY related
OOOH YES having the secret third option being bringing light to the Princess.... like how Arthur used his lighter in the Dark World to sort of clear his and John's minds.... ouuuugh you're a genius !! Plus having that be a Yellow to John chapter and tying it with music.... I feel like Yellow would really like music (Yellow asked Arthur about poetry in S3 j think but Arthur wouldn't share more with them, which is a shame. But Yellow would love music and I know this in my soul) PLUS if he plays Faroe's Song, that's used suuperr often in the podcast for Arthur and John together, and there's a version where it's piano (Arthur) and John (cello).... ough the Princess could have a sort of cello thing going on if there's any sort of audio.... I don't know a whole lot about music buut if the cello and piano are providing bg music together, the tempo of each instrument could change depending on the emotions of the character they correspond with... I don't know if I am explaining it good and I Do realize that audio might be tricky, depending on the format but... do you see the vision......
yesss evil bird Kayne.... if the Narrator Is making an appearance, would be be a white crow (I ??? Am sort of sure those can happen in nature) or just a crow that is Not horribly fucked up and not dripping with blood ? I feel like it could work for him just to look like a regular crow (although not Too regular since he's still gotta be obviously something Other), since he's just a version of Kayne and not the mirror opposite of him
oooooo alright !! I do think it makes sense for it to be trickier to get in this au, since Kayne would probably prefer to just be able to watch the show (at least the earlier portion) rather than take an active role in it (ough yess I would give everything for a Noel centric series with Oscar appearances (since that seems a little more likely to me than Oscar centric) .. and maybe Yellow !!! I am so full of hope, Harlan please give us back the new york cast)
seperate chapters could be nice too !! Although I don't know if Kayne would be one to not let Arthur die (he's seemed pretty encouraging of Arthur's deaths throughout the seasons) unless !! maybe he knew that Arthur dying would send him out of Kayne's control, even if only for a bit ? Like he didn't jnow about the Waylay or whatever specifically, but he knew there was somewhere just out of his line of sight, so to speak, where Arthur could go if he died.
oooh yeahyeah thats a good point !! They start off looking human enough to invoke Arthur's empathy, but uncanny enough to set him on edge !! Kind of like the original Princess from STP !! The Princess looks like a regular person but there's something about the way they look at Arthur, or the way they talk (probably similar speech-pattern and manipulation-wise to John from S1) or any number of things !! yeaahh
Oooh that sounds neat I’ve got to look into that! definitely sounds easier than making a game,, PowerPoint sounds nice cause then you can have slides for each scene/choice to help direct routes and stuff (right? I’ve admittedly never seen one but it feels like you can have a slide and then have links to other slides to go to depending on what choice you pick or smth) OKAY I went to google slides and tested it and I can add links on slides to other slides so that would totally work!! (then i got distracted looking at fonts and messing around but YAY that totally works!!! And it’s not hard!!) and oh good about the copyright cause while i don’t expect this to get even remotely big or popular or anything i don’t want to encroach on that stuff ahdjs
oooh I like that with Noel’s voice a lot,, i haven’t really done anything with John’s routes but he should definitely be there at some point,, gotta figure out how to get him in though. He’s in a chapter III Hastur (The Warden, prison pits chapter where you either get Charlie or Noel) and a chapter III Yellow (if you successfully defeat them in The Wolf, bc he’s confident,, though I could change that if I need) so he could be a Ch III for John,, he Could be II though mmmmm I definitely like him looking at the Princess like a person to interact with that’s really good
Yeah he has the left! and yeah based on that I just assumed he’d have left foot as well he just gets that side yea
YAYYY and Yellow does like music so you’re so real for that, they liked the bar song in Part 21, thought it was interesting,, didn’t really know how to express his feelings about it (ahdjsjs yellow my beloved) and music would be So Cool (OKAY I LOOKED IT UP and you can add music to slides and make it autoplay!! I still have to mess with it, I think I need mp3 files- just putting in a YouTube link didn’t work- and I gotta see if I can make it not choppy, changing music or bouncing back to the beginning of the song every time you switch slides and stuff, but it could totally be a thing! wonder if id need to use copyright free music or if its still okay since its fan made) :D
Oooh he could be either tbh!! But I’m drawn to the white crow,, he could still be a bit fucked up but hide it (since he’s still a Nyarlathotep) and he could be albino,,, white crow with a pinker beak and red eyes or he could be leucistic- lacking some pigment/melanin which would make him partially white to mostly white or just paler, and they can (on rare occasions) also lose pigment in their eyes making them blue!
another cool detail is that albinism is also linked to things like bad vision, and often because of this, albino crows don’t have as good chances in the wild (okay im going down a rabbit hole,, person named corvid is normal about crows, fork found in kitchen ig) anywayyy I think it would be cool for The Manager to look different and he could totally be a white/pale crow! :D
Yeah! figured since it’s a pretty out of the ordinary chapter it should be later and harder to get,, especially since the Narrator is a pretty big role and having him absent is gonna be a big change yknow (oh my god Noel centric series with Oscar appearances back in New York would be AMAZINGG)
I was kinda basing that off of the Narrator more, once The Long Quiet/the mc dies then the chapter ends and the world is doomed,, but I really like your idea!! just that he vaguely knows Arthur dying can start pushing him out of the Narrator’s jurisdiction/control and can start twisting the worlds in ways he doesn’t know oooouhhh
Yeahh absolutely!!! and yess the manipulation from early season John fits so perfectly :D
Yeah !! I remember having to do some sort of PowerPoint choose your adventure thing in school, and it wasn't too hard to set up !! Could be fun, and so so so much easier than trying to code something !!! Plus you can add transitions on slides which could make it look cooler I think... I've seen people make really impressive looking stuff so I think the slides have potential ::]
i do think it would be cool if he was in chapter three for John, Yellow, and Hastur. I just really like the consistency. In my mind Noel was just super important in John's journey to sort of discovering himself and settling into a more 'human' version of himself, since Noel was his first human connection besides Arthur, even if he had to do it through Arthur (although this time it would be almost opposite, since John would be in his own body and Noel would be the voice in Arthur's head lol)
aaauggh Yellow my beloved !!! Oooh that's cool I didn't know that !! Music would be so sick to have in the slides !! Going with copyright free music might be better, just to be safe, especially if you don't necessarily need the copyrighted songs, unless !! if you wanted to use smth like Faroe's Song, you could try reaching out to Harlan and seeing if he'd mind his song being used (which I don't think he would, since I doubt you'd be making money off this)
oooo I really do like how both of those look, esp the crow with albinism !!! oooo he doesn't have good chances in the wild (because Kayne will kill him) so he stays in his safe place (the Waylay) ooo... I think both Kayne and the Manager should be a little uncanny valley. Like sure, that's a crow in theory, but if you look closer there's a definite wrongness about them (similar thing to people headcanoning that Kayne has a similar effect in his human form, like he has a functionally human body but the way he moves in it is just wrong, or the insides are just not anatomically correct)
Ooh yeah!! It’s working super well, definitely easier for coding and with space for art and lets me add many choices and stuff it’s so good ofufjd
Yeah!! He could be in a sort of Happily Ever After-esque chapter, where they both end up leaving together and it’s like the first time they really See each other outside of the roles they’re supposed to play,, kinda links to finally becoming human/seen as human etc yesss (also it could be like a Good Ending, leaving together)
I think a lot of old classical music is in public domain, that should fit the vibe pretty well, and I just searched for royalty-free instrumental music and it looks like that should work as well! And yeah I doubt? Harlan would mind if I used Faroe’s Song (I could even play that myself too, I learned it a bit ago,, I’m not professional by any means but it could be less of a problem if im the one playing it) it’s all def something I gotta mess around with more,, but i think it should work from mp3s so as long as I can find downloadable copyright free files (or get like a YouTube to mp3 converter) then it should work!
Yessss thats exactly what I was thinking!! and yeah I think they both Should be a off putting, it’s fun to give them that sense of Wrongness (and it’s more fun to design as well) I love the way you describe it ahdjs
aaa that's good !!! I'm glad it's working well ::] so so excited for the final product ::D
Oooo YES I love that, I love the idea of them somehow managing to escape and seeing eachother for what they actually are and not what roles the Narrator put them in... yess they deserve a good ending I think
Oh yeah !! Plenty of free domain classical music, esp piano !! And I really don't think it would be an issue, since I've seen plenty of people use it in animatics or summary videos (both covers of the song and not) and none of them have been copyright claimed !! I'm not sure if they were monetized or not, but still !!
aaa thank you ::D I'm not sure what exactly what you've been imagining for the crow design, but I keep picturing he would have some sort of sharp teeth. Maybe not at first but I think a freaky bird with too many teeth (??? do birds even have teeth ??? I don't actually know, maybe some birds do ??? I might be thinking about those feathered dinosaurs idk) matches Kayne's freak
Yeah!! its definitely grown from where it started, it was all just kinda ramblings and a lot of bullet points in my notes app, now i also have the PowerPoint, google doc, and another window with about one billion tabs of thesaurus webpages open to different words and half of the Malevolent transcripts,,, but almost all the ch IIs are blocked out! Still working on which Voices get to be John’s main ones,, his two Ch IIs are: The Bound (name still pending, I think there’s a better one out there)— based on S1 divorce arcs/when they were bound together but wanted to split up all the time, didn’t necessarily hate each other forever but didn’t trust each other that much either (that’s also the chapter where the arm cutting off happens), and the other Ch II is The Friend- based on how John introduced himself as a friend, it’s the nicest ch II where Arthur and John both trust each other (for the most part at least), John’s still a little manipulative but not violent
Yessss !! gotta figure out progression to that one,, probably going to be The Friend route bc Bound already has the Oscar/Darkthur arm thing and getting Noel in there means there needs to be another chapter for him to be linked to,,, it would be long but not impossible, probably better to make it Friend I think mmm
Oooh nice :D yeah this wouldn’t be monetized i don’t even know how to go about that even if i wanted to,, its just for fun
Sharp teeth is perfect!! I think The Narrator in STP had teeth actually, I’ve kinda just been picturing him but with slight color changes, Kayne would have redder eyes and beak or smth and Manager would be pale ?
here’s the guyyyy :D and Kayne would absolutely be a freaky toothy bird !!
Ooooooo yay !!! That's good !! Ooough I love how the John chapters sound, even the nicest possible route isn't entirely honest. The best they can do is not actively try to kill eachother !!
yeaah I think Noel would probably mesh better with the Friend route, if only bc Bound already has voices. But also I think it just feels more Right to me
Ohhhhh yesss that looks sick !!! Freaky bird man with teeth <//3 I agree with the color changes !! I do think the Manager could also have the more reddish eyes, just so it's a bit easier to tell they're technically kind kf the same entity (but not yk)
Yeah! if the nice routes keep progressing they’ll get more fully nice to each other, but I was basing it off of John’s “I’m a friend” line which was admittedly a bit manipulative,, kinda want to lean into that because he still doesn’t really know STP!Arthur, still wants to make sure he stays on his good side and doesn’t get killed,, as Arthur shows himself to be a good person then John will feel able to open up and be more genuine
Okay perfect!! :D i don’t really have a name for the John chapter with Noel yet, but since he’s The Voice of the Confident then I’m thinking itll be somehow tied to like. Not defeating Kayne/Narrator but like defying him maybe? Confident in the ability to defeat Kayne, getting it from not listening to Kayne and instead trusting/freeing John/Princess mmmmm
Yeah! it would work with him being albino as well, as they already have the red eyes and beak :D
yesss I love how their relationship would start off more out of unwilling cooperation than anything else, just like in canon ::] John doesn't want Arthur to decide to kill him, and Arthur (maybe) doesn't want to kill John (at least not right off the bat anyways) and knows that if he tries there is a good chance he could die instead.
ooooohh yes... He trusts John/the Princess despite everything, like in canon !!! How even after learning that John was a fragment of the KiY he still trusted him !!! Despite the horrors !!! Plus I feel like it's a very Noel thing to just spit in the face of an eldritch god. Like yeah he'll probably be mid-panic attack bc PTSD but he'll still do it
Yeah! :D starting with the casual mutual distrust and working towards actually trusting each other
Yesss!! and yeah it is, just like in Part 40 II (I’d love to reference that somehow, the fuck you and that horse you rode in on line but not sure where to put it)
yeaah ::D worlds longest and most fucked up trust exercise !!!
Hmmm yeah idrk where that would go either, but I'm sure it'll be easier to find a place to slot it into once the rest of the dialogue for those chapters is mostly hashed out ?
Oh yeah true! mgmgg i gotta polish all the Ch IIs (and that should make assigning Voices a lot easier), then maybe get started on dialogue at least for those,, I have one Yellow finished and one named but not fleshed out yet, both John’s have names but not finished, and both Hasturs are finished.
my thoughts for how to get each chapter II was basically save vs slay- saving (or trying to) gets John and slaying gets Yellow, and choosing to lock away or leave the cabin entirely get Hastur. and then to differentiate between both Yellows and Johns, it depends whether you bring the knife or not. it kinda worked out that way so i don’t have a ton of Ch IIs (like in STP, there’s 10 I think?) this is easier, I’m kinda heading toward having fewer Ch IIs and more Ch III (and possibly IV), so i can have more developed and get more voices together :D
Oooh, that makes sense ::D especially with canon ough... saving John (Arthur kind of being forced to make a genuine connection and coming to care about him deeply) versus slaying Yellow (all of early S3. Yellow ::[ ) versus just kind of leaving Hastur (Arthur just kills himself and then leaves lmao) I do think having less Ch IIs is a good choice, esp in terms of efficiency
Yayy :D
i have been struggling to decide John’s voices,, I’m going between Antoine (Trusted), Oscar (Faithful or Devoted) and Parker (Comforter). John’s chapters are The Bound—which is the arm cut off one, so it can’t have Oscar, and you get it by bringing down the knife in ch I and choosing to save Princess/cut them free— and The Friend—got by not bringing knife and just saving the Princess.
I feel like Antoine works with Bound because the Princess would have to trust Arthur to cut them free in ch 1? but it’s also neat on a more meta level to give that one Parker because when John and Arthur got bound in s1 Parker went to comfort Arthur and got killed as a result,, comforting could also work with talking to the Princess and telling them that Arthur’s not going to hurt them?
but Friend,, i feel like Any could work for that. Trusted because there was no reason to distrust Arthur, he posed no threat so the Princess is more inclined to trust him and believe he’s there to help. Comforter because of the same reason as last one— talking to the Princess and reassuring them that they’re going to get out (and Parker was Arthur’s only friend before John came, and John said the “only friend you have” line right after killing Parker, Arthur’s only friend before). and Devoted works too, Arthur didn’t do wrong to the Princess and instead chose them fully over Narrator, not taking the knife and letting them free,,,
i don’t knowwww,, all I know is Oscar can’t be in Bound because he’s a possible voice for the Ch III after. and all I have for progression with Friend is a Bella chapter (which could lead to Faroe later), and a Noel chapter. (so if Oscar is the Friend Voice then there’s a possibility for Holy Ghosts with Noel later ooh) but yea. I’m torn idk which to go with,, what do you think?
ooooh...... I do really like Parker for Bound !! Partially because I just Really like Parker, but also because I think trust is more of a thing that is built up over time rather than immediately gained, and if it's the first chapter I don't Really think the Princess would have like actual trust in Arthur right away. I do think comforting them could work though, I like the idea of Arthur kind of approaching them like you would a scared wild animal or small child. I just think that's something he would do. PLUS the meta level for Parker is just so so good and kind of hurts !!
Honestly I'm veryyy very inclined to just say Oscar for the Friend chapter, if only for future possible Holy Ghosts,,, but yeah it does seem like all of them are good possible candidates ? Hmm I just feel like if you're trapped in a basement (or whatever exactly the Princess is stuck) you're not gonna just easily trust whoever just wanders in, even if they don't seem like a threat right away ? At least John probably wouldn't, I don't think he would be that visibly desperate, but I guess that's also circumstancal ?
Oooh you’re so right thank you !! Parker will go with Bound and Oscar for Friend, and Antoine can be saved for later chapters (it does make sense that the Princess wouldn’t trust that quickly yeah)
I’ve been thinking about a chapter based on the bone cathedral- a chapter after Friend, if Arthur chooses to leave the Princess in the cabin. I don’t have a name for that Princess yet but that chapter would be linked to Bella/Voice of the Abandoned (and it could also be a progression for a Faroe ending, cause Bella can bring up Faroe and talk about how Arthur wasn’t there for her,,). The cabin would be based off of the bone cathedral/the Princess misses Arthur and doesn’t know what to do without him, their existences are intertwined and him leaving makes their existence empty so they try to recreate it and live without him :))
yeah I do really want a Holy Ghosts chapter admittedly,, Noel has a Chapter III for all Princesses and his is going to be down the Friend path (but that’s all I really have, he’s Voice of the Confident so it’ll be something about defying the Narrator I think? finding a way for Arthur/Voices to get together with the Princess- and he’ll start them viewing the Princess as an individual person as well)
!!! YESSS A BONE CATHEDRAL CHAPTER !!! THAT SOUNDS SO SICK I LOVE THE BONE CATHEDRAL !!! ooough that sounds so good I love everything about that
a holy ghosts chapter would be everything to me. So would a Bella chapter, I LOVE her and she deserves to be either passive-aggressive or just outright furious at Arthur.
Yayyy!! it’s been in my notes for a while but I hadn’t been able to come up with a name,, thinking about The Bonfire (or Blaze or Pyre? but going with bonfire for now cause I like how big and ravenous it is) because reading back over the transcript for Part 55 I noticed John uses a lot of fire imagery and parallels for how he acted in the Dark World, the fire of hate burning out of control and all. (and fire name works well with it being a Faroe progression chapter) it’ll be fun putting Bella in but interesting cause I have no base for how her dialogue would work/sound? She should totally be passive aggressive, possibly leading into furious if it seems like Arthur’s going to start leaving this Princess as well mmmm
took me a while to come up with the name but for now I’m calling the holy ghosts chapter The Gift (after Part 5 where John gets his name) because of how Noel will be the one to start leading everyone to see The Princess as their own person and not just something to interact with/someone that needs saving or to be killed but a whole other being with a life :D (also that will likely be progression for the Waylay which also will be cool)
im so close to being done with the ch IIs but realized I need to figure out where they all lead first,, I don’t have names for the arm cut off ones yet- was thinking Darkthur’s could be something like what his world would have been like? distrustful and at odds with the Princess/John, but I don’t have a name or real chapter direction yet,, same with Oscar’s- his would be more trusting and they’d be working together, more friendly? but names are tricky,, I want them to parallel because that’s always cool (gotta read through transcripts probably, that’s where I usually go when im out of ideas)
ohhh yes I really like the Bonfire !!! I usually think of Pyre as more of a sacrificial word, and whenever I hear Blaze I tend to think back to the Wings of Fire series... Bonfires though !!! Every time I've seen one they've been massive, and usually used to destroy things en masse !!! I think it fits really well ::] Maybe Bella could sort of project how she felt about being abandoned onto the Princess, like how Arthur protected onto Larson ? I imagine she'd also talk similar to Daniel, as most children tend to sound somewhat similar to their parents, even just in word choice !
The Gift is perfect !!! Plus bonus reference to the hospital, which is also a place where Arthur, Oscar, and Noel all met in canon.... Ooo..... Plus Waylay progression !!! I love the Waylay sm, it's very interesting to think about ::]
I think some sort of parallels between the Darkthur and Oscar chapter would be awesome oooh. Really wish we got to learn more about Darkthur, would probably make name-finding a lot easier lol. All we really know is that he is he shot Eddie, he is missing an arm, and him and his John presumably have a very different relationship !! And he also died (somehow) since Arthur was the last one left. Augh. I'll let you know if anything comes to mind for him ::] For Oscar's, you could always just steal 'the Faith' from his episode if you can't figure anything else out ? I think it's a pretty good name, low-hanging fruit maybe, but it could work ! Religion aside, he's having faith that the Princess won't just kill him for kicks, and putting his trust in them without really having much reason to do so.
Oooh yes!! that’s so good oh my god, Bella learning language and word choices from Danie makes so much sense and it gives a basis for what her dialogue could feasibly sound like yeahhh !!
That’s good! It works well with the chapter yeah and it’s a good nod to his episode which is always great :D I came up with The Blessing for Oscar and The Curse for Darkthur, trying to find something with parallels and blessing kinda fits with religion ? it’s also how Oscar saw Arthur’s presence as a blessing, an answer to prayer/his purpose and all, while Darkthur didn’t trust John, assumedly saw him as a curse ? it could probably fit with the chapters as i don’t have much for them anyway, the designs for the Princesses can be similar but Oscar’s is more positive and Darkthur’s more negative,, and i guess the chapter would be about the Princess becoming unbound- like in worlds where John and Arthur had managed to split? but idkk
yeahh ::D I mean, I figure she'd probably reference religion less often ? I thiiink Arthur mentioned how much Bella hated how controlling Daniel was with religion and all that, so she probably would talk about it less ? I just think she deserves to be bitter and angry,
oooh yeah !!! Blessing fits super well with the religious themes oomg. And since they're paralleling, a curse is kind of something directly opposing trad Christian things ? Since I think curses are more often thought of as a Satanism thing (at least they are by most trad Christians I know lol) so direct opposites there in every sense of the word, I liike it. Ooh yeah for Oscars Princess design, I imagine the Princess would look somewhat divine ? Halos, extra wings, eyes, maybe a cross motif if you wanna go that route, him associating this otherworldly being with the god he grew up believing in ? Darkthur's could align more with things humans traditionally view as scary or unsettling, like the dark for instance ? His Princess could be shrouded in shadows, or the domain they're in could be extra dark (fear of what's hiding in the dark, not of the dark itself) I think the chapter being about becoming unbound makes sense ? There was a focus on separation for both Darkthur and Oscar, Darkthurs being more that he didn't want to share a body with John, and with Oscar it was more of a John didn't like Oscar because he lacked the autonomy to interact with Oscar freely ? I think its a logical place for the chapters to go, it makes sense to me at least
Oh yeah! I do remember Arthur saying Bella didn’t like the strictness and religion that Daniel enforced, she’d probably stay away from talking about that (unless maybe comparing Arthur and his actions to something biblical because she would have the knowledge about it all and know Arthur doesn’t follow those beliefs, she could use that as a way to get to him maybe? like she doesn’t have to believe it, it could just be something she grew up with and has become a part of her kinda? idk) she definitely deserves to be angry and bitter (she deserves to shoot him with a gun but i don’t think I can do that), she would absolutely side with the Princess over Arthur instantly, and I think if this Princess hurts Arthur (which they might? they would be angry but also miss him, I could see a chapter ending like how John treated the alternate Arthurs, taking him apart and such) I think Bella might not be super intent on Arthur’s survival and more about him making things right, fixing the mistakes he made and doing what he can to make it better, like what he couldn’t/didn’t do for her (if that makes sense?)
OOOH YES ABSOLUTELY :D both of those designs sound so cool !! i feel like there’s good religious parallels in this too,, i think devils are fallen angels/got cast out of heaven? kinda goes with the separation theme,, rejected and cast out like how Darkthur tried to cut John out? while Oscar’s Princess/Blessed design is more divine like his faith and the acceptance of angels? I do really like the dark angle (yessss) and it’s a good parallel too, having Darkthur’s chapter be dark- shaped by his fear and distrust- and Oscar’s be light- shaped by his faith and trust mmmm
Yeahhh !! Separation and being unbound, and like the feelings that come with,,, I like the point that Oscar’s separation came from John feeling like he didn’t have autonomy, it would be cool to add a bit of that in his chapter,, something about how the Princess doesn’t want to be tied to Arthur/Oscar, feels like their existence is tied to his (true) and doesn’t like it, even though they got unbound in the last chapter they’re all back here again, doing the same thing all over again,, while they don’t dislike Arthur/Oscar specifically they do want to get out of this cycle or something ,,? Whereas Darkthur’s would be a lot more angry and distrustful, they both want to be free of the other and would be willing to fight again to end the cycle ?
Oooh yeah, he does something she doesn't like and so she compares him to the really strict Christians (or just Daniel lol) who I figure he'd probably hate being compared to, since he has such an aversion to religion in general. She ABSOLUTELY deserves to shoot him, you are so right. And that definitely makes sense !!! She'd probably go a more of a 'face the consequences of your actions/repentance and atonement' type of route with that !! I feel like she would still have some compassion for him, since they used to be good friends (that's how their entire situation got started, if I'm remembering correctly), though I don't think it would override her bitterness at the situation he put her in. Plus I think her Christian unbringing could play into her mindset with this, the whole divine punishment thing. She could see the Princess as some sort of divine figure, maybe some sort of alternative to the Christian God/one of the 'true' gods, etc. ooouggh Bella is so interesting to me. Both the Princess and Bella still caring about Arthur but also being angry at him for justifiable reasons. Ooouh
yay ::D and yeah, you're right on point there with the devils are just fallen angels thing ! Oough it feels like everything is connecting so nicely I love this
Oooh yeahyeah, that would be cool ! lack of autonomy is always a really neat theme to sneak into media. I think ::] Arthur/Oscar not necessarily understanding why the Princess wants their fates to be separate, but wanting to help regardless. Princess is kinda 'yeah, I care about you, but I don't want to be attached to you forever/wanting autonomy and control of their own fate, etc. Ooouh yeah Darkthur would be very willing to fight for it. He's so alley cat coded. He and the Princess both have the same end goal (seperating themselves) but maybe they disagree on how to reach the goal, or just flat-out don't like or trust each other enough to work together ! Whereas I think Oscar, being a priest and therefore someone who must possess people skills, would be able to compromise and work with the Princess, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with how they're going about things. Probably would also help that he sees them in a holy light,,,
Oh yes absolutely I totally agree!! Them having a past of being friends makes their dynamic so interesting, she didn’t use to hate him and she still probably has a part of her that left, some compassion yeah, though he deserves what’s coming (and worse). Her seeing the Princess as a divine figure is such a cool angle, perhaps a true god or maybe another figure sent as like. divine punishment for Arthur, a sign of sorts? Princess and Bella is going to be such a fun combination :))
Yeah!! :D okay glad that was right i couldn’t remember but it sounded accurate !
oouh yes exactlyyyy !! Oscar and Princess would have a lot better communication I think, they’d be a lot more inclined to help each other yeah, might even agree after being talked into it by the Princess? (it would be interesting to add in Oscar’s Purpose angle, maybe like he’s unsure what his purpose is, but thinks/realizes it’s to help the Princess?) and even if he doesn’t agree he could work out a compromise yeahh,; but Darkthur (who really is alley cat coded oh my god) would be more inclined to fight, doesn’t want to talk to the Princess, doesn’t trust them (and they wouldn’t trust him either) so while they might be able to talk it out and their goals are aligned, they probably wouldn’t.
yess ::D plus I think it could be interesting if Arthur decides to tell the Princess about Faroe, since any information he shared with the Princess would also be new to Bella, since she never got to meet Faroe (maybe didn't even get to see her, depending on how quickly she died after giving birth) which would 1) possibly make Bella even more bitter that Arthur got to actually spend time with their daughter, especially after he was planning to just. leave her and Faroe, 2) yay Bella-Princess bonding over baby Faroe info andd being angry at Arthur !!
Oooouh yeah.... Oscar's original purpose (Arthur) just kind of up and left, but then a new purpose (the Princess) showed up in his life, and he's got a chance to try and save someone again. (I think that's partially why he saw Arthur as his purpose before. He saw someone who needed redemption, who needed to be saved. A chance for him to both redeem himself by saving someone else and also making up for when he failed to save Alexander in the past) Plus I feel like Oscar is just. A lot more willing to make compromises than Arthur, who's just very ? 'i am the main character/master of my soul'. He just really loves his self-righteous monologues, which I doubt the Princesses would be too fond of, bc they'd probably be smth along the lines of 'you think you're hot shit ? I'm ARTHUR LESTER, the summary of all human experience. You can't kill me in a way that matters'. Darkthur, though !! I think if he ever discovered the 'time-out' feature Arthur used on Lillith he would abuse the helll out of it. I do agree that Darkthur and the Princess would not have a very stable relationship at all, it would probably be kind of similar to how Arthur and Yellow were ? except if Arthur was even more unhinged somehow
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Oooh yes absolutely!! Bella making Arthur describe Faroe to her, all the things they did together,, maybe picking the most apologetic and nicest options help get Bella and Princess to not be *as* mad at him? Arthur could want to say that he’s changed, though his actions with the past Princess show he hasn’t changed Enough, that’d probably make them dislike him More oouh this chapter will have fun dialogue to navigate !! (it’s so fun having a Voice side with the Princess, have Arthur with both the Voice and the Princess against him,, usually the Voices are on his side mmmm)
YEAH! and ooh yeah Oscar’s willingness to make compromises is fun to play around with, it could add a little conflict if the right dialogue is chosen, Arthur could be led to feel more rigid (and oh my god real that’s exactly it) and if Arthur opposed the Princess, Oscar would need to mediate between the two and try and find a balance, and then convince the other two to follow him. ooooh
OOH it would be so cool if there was a way to implement the time-out feature in some chapters!! ik it happens in STP, there are a few places where you need to ‘clear your head’ or something like that and make the Voices go away,, like how the timeout works! that could be really cool in some chapters with multiple voices or more antagonistic voices- it would be Arthur timeout-ing the Voices not the Princess but it’s still a good enough parallel I think :D and yeah Darkthur is probably the most unhinged Voice, ill definitely use early s3 Arthur for a basis cause we don’t hear Too much of him in canon (early s3 Arthur my Nemesis,, i can understand where he’s coming from and still hold a grudge for how he treated Yellow my beloved)
also oooh good point in tags!! in STP I remember the Voices can sometimes use/control hands, i figure it could work pretty similar to that? if they’re compelled strongly enough they can start controlling a hand/arm? and it would be the left one :)) idk about eyes,, we do have a Narrator and the Voices can describe things similar to how John does for Arthur? but i don’t think we’re blind in STP,, i feel like it could go either way? i think i had defaulted to thinking Arthur and Voices both can see and was considering using blindness in another later chapter but either works I think! what do you think?
lol you're good dw ::]
Ooouh yeah yeah, Arthur would definitely pull the 'but I've changed ! I'm different now ! I've grown' and then Bella could just. point out all of the similarities in the ways he's treated both the Princess and her... oooughh
Ooh yes.. him trying to keep them both relatively calm and level-headed could be so fun asdddsffdfdg. Especially if he sort of snaps near the end, reaches the end of his patience ? Bc it's gotta be exhausting, trying to play mediator between a tragic, feral guy with main character syndrome and a literal god.
Riiight !!! Completely forgot about those tbh !! Ooough it'd be so fun to hear Arthur arguing with Darkthur, especially if Darkthur acts like early S3 Arthur (my dearly beloathed). Because yeah, Arthur could probably totally understand his reasoning !! But he might also feel like he has the Moral High Ground, since he no longer is quite as actively murderous. (I will never ever get over how he treated Yellow. Augh. I love early S3 Arthur bc we get a lot of interesting stuff about his character to really dig into !! BUT godd he fucked up so bad with Yellow)
ooough I think the Voices gaining control of left hand when they're particularly compelled works well !! Could be especially interesting in situations where Arthur and the Voices want very different things (like the Voices wanna slay the princess and Arthur doesn't, or vice versa). And the Voices describing things could be especially useful if they got put into a situation where Arthur couldn't see, or needed to focus on smth other than his surroundings ? Or it could be sort of a grounding thing, like the 'heart lungs liver nerves'. Hmm yeah I don't think Arthur should be blind in this au, but I do think the Voices should continue their descriptions of everything (if only to maintain a stronger sense of similarity to Malevolent) , which would help a lot in possible later blindness chapters !! Plus, having each voice give descriptions could help further characterize each one by how they describe their surroundings, what they choose to focus on, etc
YESS like,, you clearly haven’t changed when the living incarnation of your same choices is sitting right in front of us, and i can’t believe you have the audacity to suggest that you’ve grown and because of that we should just forgive all you’ve done ,, or something like that
Ooh yeah it would be so cool to have him snap at the end if he’s been mediating for too long! especially because Oscar deserves to crash out after all he’s been through (also him being usually chill would make them really listen to him when he snaps too I think)
Ooouh yes!! It would be cool if Darkthur Knew Arthur was a version of him as well,, he could approach Arthur that way as well like “I know you understand, we aren’t that different, you’ve done this before too” type arguments,, while yeah Arthur would definitely take the moral high ground (which would probably make Darkthur act Worse, considering how s3 Arthur responded to John in the beginning). i feel like these two could easily get caught in a spiral of making the other worse and that’s such a fun dynamic to play with :)) Darkthur trying to convince Arthur to go back to his Dark Side, while Arthur is talking all about how he’s better now and he’s grown and he’s Better and Darkthur should be more like Him etc ahdjsa
Yeah!! i mean,, Darkthur could totally do that, take the knife on his own and try to use it against the Princess,, Lillith might take possession if she feels strongly about a Princess, i guess any Voice could do it but i feel like some are more likely if that makes sense? like I don’t see Marie trying to take a knife- and even Bella might prefer a vocal approach ? Daniel also would probably Not want a knife near him,, but Butcher would totally take the knife if he tried
Ooh yeahh, or if they feel like Kayne’s being an unreliable Narrator (he would), like the mirror situation in STP? I really like them describing things for grounding, cause yeah it parallels the heart lungs liver nerves but also that’s something John does for Arthur when he’s panicking or needs to get his mind off of something yknow mmm,, and yeahh it’s a great way to add further characterization and distinction between the voices!! that’s so fun ahdkaks
OOOH yes yes I like that
Absolutely !! Oscar crashouts my dearly beloved !!!! He deserves it !! Pluss you're so right that it might actually get them to listen to him !! I do feel like Arthur wouldn't back down super easy (unless he thought it would benefit him) but I have full confidence that Oscar could beat his ass. even as just a voice in his head
ooouhohhh yesss I love that !! Darkthur would definitely hate Arthur trying to act morally superior, especially since they're literally the same guy !! Esp since Arthur would go on his long-winded rants about humanity and such. Which would be made worse by the whole 'what makes you special ? Why do you have full control of the body and I'm stuck as a voice in your head ? Don't I deserve the same thing ? We've both done awful things, what makes my actions less justified than yours ?' plus Arthur comparing Darkthur to how He used to be... ooough... kind of like the whole 'well back in my day'
ooo good point !! With Marie though, she did kill her husband by herself, so she definitely is capable of violence !! We don't know the exact circumstances tho soo... I don't think she would want to hurt anyone else after that, but she didn't seem particularly broken up over his death ? Much more upset about Hattie and her son. Similar with Oscar !! I don't think he would usually try to grab the knife himself, but I do think if he thought it was justified, or the 'only way', then he would. Especially if he thought it would save the world; sacrifice the one to save the many ? (giving the Princess the Jesus treatment) I think Noel/Charlie could ? Like he would definitely shoot someone but I feel like. stabbing versus shooting take different things. Stabbing via knife is a lot more messy + hands on, plus he'd be more comfortable with a gun, so I think knife would have to be a bit more of a drastic measure, esp if you're having him try to talk his way out of stuff
ooouh yes Kayne unreliable narrator my beloathed <333 I don't think all of the voices would do Johns over-describing-when-nervous thing though, like I definitely can't see Marie or Daniel doing that. I feel like they're more a scandalized 'Oh my !!!' or 'Dear heavens !!' lol. The Butcher though ? Possiblyy. I feel like it takes a lot more to get him genuinely scared
Yesyess :D Oscar could totally beat Arthur’s ass if he put his heart into it, he just needs proper motivation
YESS TOTALLY they’ll have such a fun (horribly toxic) dynamic just constantly making eachother Worse (unless Darkthur can manage to get Arthur on his side? or Arthur finds a good way to appeal to Darkthur? something something about forgiving the parts of yourself you don’t necessarily like or want around anymore)
OH TRUE yeah she probably wouldn’t want to use the knife but she would if she felt like she had to, if not using it was going to be worse (though she probably wouldn’t have a ton of opportunities to want to use the knife, she wouldn’t be unlocked by violent actions). I feel like she’d more try to strengthen the bond between Arthur and the Princess, like how she encouraged Arthur to go see Daniel,, something about “say what you want to say now because it might be too late later”, she feels bad for not being as nice to her son and doesn’t want to see Arthur repeating her mistakes
Yeah i agree! Oscar probably wouldn’t choose violence first, but he does use violence in the past to protect those he cares about- Alexander and hitting Butcher with bedpan for Arthur. so if he got drawn to one side or the other, protecting Arthur or protecting John, he could possibly use the knife against the one trying to hurt who he cares about ? (and ooh yes him tying it to religion, Jesus treatment is so good oooouhhh)
Oooh good point, Noel would totally take a gun but yeah knife is more hands-on,, he could probably use it if he had to? i feel like he could have that attitude he had in 40 II, standing up to Yellow, maybe he’d try to throw the knife? cause yeah i don’t think he’d want to get that close to the Princess, even if he’s beaten them before, he’d much prefer to use his words. I feel like Charlie would be more likely to use the knife out of desperation maybe? like he’s already been beaten by the Princess and he’d do anything to Not Go Back, including risking it all? or maybe he’d just give up because there’s no point mmmm
Trueee !! Marie and Daniel probably wouldn’t even want to talk about Horrible Things(tm) like how Daniel didn’t want to believe he saw the tendril Arthur showed him, he’d probably want to just pretend it’s not real, Marie could probably acknowledge it but not want to talk about it? like how she would dodge questions about her husband and Hattie until confronted, she kinda more brushes over stuff she doesn’t like? I feel like Butcher (and Lillith too i think) would like describing things in painful detail to make them More scary, to try to make Arthur uncomfortable maybe? did Butcher ever describe Arthur’s surroundings to him in podcast or is my brain lying to me, i feel like he did at one point but i could be wrong. I think Lillith would enjoy trying to make Arthur feel Worse until/unless they are on the same side. and yeah I agree, takes a lot more to make them actually scared
absolutely !!! If he's not motivated enough after Arthur cut off his arm and dumped him at a hospital (after Oscar told him that he was his PURPOSE and helped him despite Arthur being a WEIRDO) then I think some liquor in his system could do the trick
Oooooohh.... I think them working together would be super interesting !! If they can just get over their own self-loathing long enough to try !! I think Arthur could be convinved to see things from Darkthurs point of view easier than the reverse, if only because it's easier to slip back into negative behaviors than it is to force yourself back into positive ones, yk ? Like it would be easier for Arthur to return to his prison pit/ early S3 mentality where he's angry and murderous than it would be for Darkthur to successfully reign himself back in. At least, I think so ?
OOHHH YOU'RE SO RIGHT !! Especially if the Princess and Arthur had developed a bit of rapport but then one of them ruined it by doing or saying smth they should've have (Jarthur canon divorce moment. Maybe the Princess brings up Faroe, like how John blamed Arthur for her death in liike. S2 ? Or Arthur does something to piss off the Princess, like refusing to tell them what Charlie or the other voices are saying idk) and then Marie just. scolds them until they fix it. Relationship counselor
oooohoo yeah.... If he ends up going for Arthur, that could be how he loses the pinky ? (Can't remember if we've already established anything on that) Plus I think it could also depend on how both of them treated him earlier; like if Arthur was just. openly mocking his faith or snapping at Oscar while he was meditating, I feel like he'd be more willing to turn the knife on Arthur ! Same thing if the Princess shows an interest in what he does (Maybe for Yellow, bc Yellow likes music and Oscar is a priest who can Most Definitely sing. But probably not John bc I feel like John just has an instant distaste for Oscar in most every universe ::[ )
Ooh true, throwing the knife would probably feel much safer for him, out of tentacle range and also out of mindfuck range (possibly not, but even just believing this is true would make him feel more secure). Mmm yeah I think if Charlie were to use the knife, it would probably be more on himself then it would be the Princess. That 'I can't go back' mentality, he's just desperate enough that killing himself (along with Arthur and all of the other voices !!) seems like a better option than running the risk of going back. Whiiiich could lead to a sort of scene where the voices are fighting for control of the hand ? Not entirely sure how that would work but. I seriously doubt they'd all be content to sit back and let Charlie kill them in a panic
oooh yeah you're so right !! I do think the Butcher sort of describes what's going on to Arthur ? When he's taking jarthur down to the basement to kill them, he's leading Arthur down the stairwell with directions where to go. But it's more just 'left here' than it is actual descriptions ? I think if he were to describe something he'd definitely reference the music he's constantly hearing, as well as also his job ? I just feel like he would describe gore strangely, kind of admiringly in a way. Like if they were to find something the Princess had mutilated, the Butcher would probably sound more like someone appraising a cut of meat than someone horrified and disgusted.i ALSO think Lillith and Bella should gang up on Arthur. He deserves that much, and also they can be angry about Faroe together (esp with how Lillith was in Part 58 about Faroe... Ooooughh)
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Oooh yeah you’re right, maybe he could get angry at Darkthur first, if Darkthur can push him that far, then he can get Arthur to channel that anger toward the Princess since he’s already lost his morality/high ground standpoint by getting mad,, then it’s just a “see? you’re already angry, you’ve done this before” kinda thing yeahhhh
YEAHH she’d probably be one of the few Voices that really Want to strengthen the bond between Arthur and Princess (and yeah they totally would mess stuff up and have a divorce moment even if things were going well,, Arthur not sharing what the Voices are saying is really good cause yeah that would annoy the Princess and he doesn’t really share what John says in canon mmmm)
Oooooh yeah i don’t think we have anything for the pinky!! and yeah good point, how both Arthur and Princess treat Oscar could totally influence who he sides with !! i was also thinking he might side with whoever seems more willing to be kind to the other, like if Arthur keeps wanting to attack the Princess but the Princess wants to escape together Oscar might side with the Princess? i Personally really want Oscar to side with Yellow because YES Yellow likes music and Oscar can absolutely sing and also i feel like Oscar “you are my purpose” Malevolent would give Yellow the respect and validation she needs so badly oouguh (i feel like maybe John always disliking Oscar can be avoided by him not really knowing he exists as a Voice? cause yeah that would kinda stack it against him :( )
Ooh yes good point, Charlie would absolutely want to use the knife on himself, that’s so Voice of the Broken of him oouh. I know in STP when Broken tries to stab himself, Hero gets control of the other hand and blocks it? it could kinda work more or less like that, though then the Voices would be able to control more than just the left hand,, though it could be Arthur using the right hand and Charlie with the left? and the other Voices are battling Charlie for control of the left hand? idk
OOOHH YEAH that’s so good !! he would totally describe his music- he could even sing/hum it, though i don’t know how to really carry that in besides just saying it in subtitles- it would be really cool if Butcher still hears music in his head despite being a voice in someone else’s head ooouh,, and him having a more admiring description of gore is so good, he’d definitely get the opportunity in at least some of his chapters! maybe even he could do that while describing injuries he/Arthur get from the Princess, talking about how they got hurt but more admiring/critiquing the Princess’s workmanship? and YEAH i love that part so much oh my god!! Lillith would side with Bella instantly and she already is sympathetic for Faroe ooouh they gotta get paired together somehow (Lillith my absolute beloved)
Mhmhm mhmmm yesss !! I agree that the Princess would be pissed if Arthur wasn't sharing what the Voices were saying, maybe feeling some sort of camaraderie over their shared lack of autonomy (Voices stuck in Arthur's head, the Princess being trapped in wherever they're trapped in) which could be a good divorce point !! Princess wants to know what the Voices are contributing to the conversation, and Arthur doesn't want to just be a mouthpiece
oouhhhh YES I love the Oscar-Yellow team up, it would be everything to me !!! Plus I've seen other Oscar + Yellow posts, stuff about Oscar sharing bits of his faith with Yellow and Yellow deciding that she wanted to be more like the kind, benevolent God that Oscar talked about.... HOWEVER. Arthur would have to be the one sharing these stories with Yellow and I do NOT think he would be as delighted as Oscar would be to share anything Christan (mmmm good point... and he wouldn't really have much reason to hate Oscar in this universe ? since in canon he hated Oscar bc of his own lack of autonomy and jealousy over Arthur. But now John can actually speak on his own and interact with the world so.... hm)
Ooooouhh I don'tknow if Arthurs got enough self-preservation left in him to successfully stop Charlie from using the knife on them, but I do think the other voices might ! OR the Princess could also just. forcibly stop Charlie ? Either via tendril just. grabbing the arm or maybe thru the same sorta mind control yellow used in part 40. But that would raise the question of why the Princess doesn't just compel Arthur to let them out. BUT that could also just be ignored and do this anyway becauseee it would make Charlie freak out SO much dude
hmmm, I don't really know how to convey that either, orher than Arthur asking him to stop humming ? I imagine that would make it pretty hard to concentrate, but the Butcher would probably hum mostly at points where they are either hunting the princess or being hunted
Ooh TRUE that would be a really good bonding point between Princess and Voices and divorce opportunity for Arthur and Princess! orr maybe if it’s a scarier/more violent Princess the Voices might not want to be heard, but the Princess would want to hear them anyway, and Arthur has to choose between them ooh,, but if it’s a nicer Princess the Voices might want to be heard (like Oscar might want to talk right to the Princess probably) and Arthur wouldn’t want to just sit here and speak for them yeahhh
YESSS also that’s such a good name for the Ch III Yellow and Oscar chapter- The Deity :D Oscar’s devotion and kindness making Yellow want to be like that is SO GOOD OUHH i love them so much absksns (but yeah you’re right, Arthur wouldn’t really want to share the Christian message- he’d probably want to go the other direction, talking about how it’s fake and bad and gives false hope and stuff,, that’s a good situation for the topic above- Voice wanting to be heard but Arthur not wanting to share,, maybe Oscar can convince him, say it’s a good way to help Yellow or make them less aggressive or something)
ooh yeah you’re right,, the Voices would be able to stop Charlie more than Arthur definitely. as for compelling, i do remember in STP the Princess is able to compel the player (by blacking out the other choice options) so KIY Princess being able to make things happen is definitely still possible (and a really good idea), if Charlie and Arthur don’t have enough willpower (and Charlie probably doesn’t have much) then the Princess can kinda take over, make the choices for them, and make them set her free (kinda like The Tower in STP) it would be so cool and would absolutely make Charlie freak the hell out :D
yeah, i was thinking something like just saying like “Butcher: humming” or something like in place of dialogue? and yeah Arthur telling him to stop is good, it would probably be annoying when he’s trying to focus on hunting or not getting caught yeahhh
oouh yeah !! I suppose it might depend on the Voice, with whether they'd wanna talk to scary Princess or not but. the vast majority of them would NOT want to (Butcher might because he is a freak like that)
Yess I like that a lot ::D Arthur probably would only agree to share what Oscar was saying if he thought it could help them kind of make Yellow more manageable lol
Oooooo yes that would be so fun ::D I do think Arthur would probably have the most willpower at any given moment, with how stubborn he is and how he handles any bad situation. Plusss Charlie freaking outttt while Arthur has to free the Princess ::D fun !!! That would be doubly bad for the voices, they already lost their autonomy and got stuck in some British guys head, they can control a little bit of the body sometimes and they can help make choices. But noww they can't even do that, they can't make choices and they can't move the body. No one is in control !! Arthur would probably make it more about himself (I'm losing my autonomy !! This isn't supposed to happen to me ::[ it's my body !!) and it could be so funn
oouh, yeah, I think that works !! I do NOT think the Butcher would appreciate being told to shut up but. maybe he would if it meant a lesser chance of being caught or losing the advantage in the hunt
Ooh true, Butcher would and Lillith would, Kellin might? Larson might as well because he’s into that stuff, but the others probably not? i guess I could see Noel trying to stand up to one, like in The Order perhaps ? but yea most of them probably would rather just have Arthur do the interacting yeahhh
Yeah exactlyyy :D
OOH YES Arthur would absolutely make it about himself while all the Voices are there like “well we had barely anything to begin with and now even that’s been taken away”, Charlie would be freaking out, Nobody but the Princess is having a good time right now ahdjsk (probably depending on which other voices are in there some would try to calm Charlie and some would probably just try to shove him away and try to regain at least a little control,, mmmm fun)
ooh yeah, though if he was just humming in Arthur’s head he probably wouldn’t be in danger of being heard? he might get more mad at Arthur for telling him to shut up, because Arthur would actually have to talk mmmmm
Oh God I hope if Larson says anything he gets shut up SO fast he would fuck everything up crazy style. Like yeah, it wouldn't be the same as in S3 since all of the Princesses already know they're gods, or a fragment of one, but still ! Crazy cultist guy inside the head of a guy who HATES cultists, trying to talk to one of the things he worships ? He would just be so annoying to have inside your head wow
Ooouh I imagine Arthur doing all that would just lead to a lot of the voices yelling at him. Yiiikes headache time ! Hmmm I wonder who might try to calm Charlie down tho. Probably Oscar, comforting people is a big part of his job ! (eheh holy ghosts....) Marie and Daniel I can't see doing that I, I feel like they'd be awkward and uncomfortable. The Butcher, maybe ? I feel like he would do it in an Interesting way tho. Lillith could, but I don't think she would bother unless it was in her best interest ? like if Charlie panicking wasn't putting her in a bad spot, I doubt she'd try to help. Larson - absolutely not. He would be so awful at it, God. Bella ? Maybee ? Don't really know about in canon, but maybe she's as awkward with it as her dad ? Darkthur could, since he is Arthur and Arthur can do it. I just think he probably also wouldn't bother
Mmm true true. Probably would tell him to just 'focus on the hunt'. Hes not being annoying, Arthur ! He's providing background music ! He is setting the mood ! I imagine the Butcher would probably be much less threatening without the means to actually kill Arthur or hurt him without hurting himself in the process, so Arthur could just tell him to shut up ig
HE REALLY WOULD BE SO ANNOYING unfortunately for everyone he’s a main voice on one of the Yellow routes 😔 there’ll be a whole chapter where it’s just him and Arthur,, Arthur should be able to timeout this guy cause Yeah he’s really going to be such a pain (he’s going to want to try and “set the Princess free”—and reset the cycle— so that they’re indebted to him and he can hold power over them. taking advantage of the situation to gain power) a possible progression chapter from his Ch II has Oscar as an added voice so they get to interact! and that’ll be interesting, power hungry cultist and priest devoted to serving others :]
Oooh yesss Oscar totally would! (yay holy ghosts!!) I could see Marie kind of doing like a pep talk of sorts, like a “keep it together young man” type thing maybe? and yeah Daniel and Larson wouldn’t be any help at all, I do agree Butcher would probably try to calm him somehow (because he knows freaking out isn’t going to help Anyone), he definitely would be interesting about it though (i don’t think threatening Charlie to calm down would work? though it seems like something he could do) but he would absolutely have Some way of doing it,, Bella perhaps? but maybe she has other things to worry about, she’d maybe be wanting to get the Princess out of the chains/sympathizing with them(which would make Charlie worse)? yeah i agree Darkthur wouldn’t bother, he probably wouldn’t give a shit about any of the other voices ahdjs
Yeahhh exactly!! (the question would be if Butcher would be willing to hurt himself to hurt Arthur,, i don’t know how much he’d mind getting hurt and he’d probably enjoy being able to hurt Arthur if they’re not seeing eye to eye or just being able to get a reaction out of him cause he’s a freak like that,, mmmmm)
Yikes 😬 I do NOT envy Arthur, it's bad enough having a southern asshole in your head at the best of times, much less when you are actively trying to kill god !! also ooo.... Oscar and Larson interactions would be so so interesting (if only they had physical bodies so Oscar could hit him over the head with a bedpan <//3)
I think Oscar's help would actually be Helpful, Marie's....? eh ? probably wouldn't completely solve the issue but it would be better than nothing ! at the very least it might distract Charlie from the issue at hand. Mmm the Butcher..... I think he would know a thing or two about how to slow down your breathing (for hunting and his Job) which he could use to help Charlie calm down. He would be Weird about it tho,,, I feel like calming Charlie wouldn't be Bella's top priority, yea, bc she's more focused on the Princess, and so long as Charlie's panic isn't getting in the way of that, she can work around him. Plus, if the other voices are helping him, she can try and shift Arthurs focus away from Charlie and co and back onto getting on the Princess's good side
oooo yeah.... I don't think he's got too many qualms about hurting himself (after he learns that Daniel is still alive in S4 we can hear what sounds like him slapping himself ? didn't read the transcript tho, not certain), tho I think hr would probably prefer not to. I Do think he would try and hurt Arthur in order to 'try and show him who's boss', and then the other voices would freak out because they kind of needed that finger
oh my god sorry it’s been so long i was on spring break and i usually write when im on the bus to class so i just forgot
REALL and yeah!! i feel like it’ll be interesting cause they’re both very religious but in very different ways, Larson wants to harness the power of the gods and appeal to them and sacrifice other people for his benefit and whatnot, while Oscar worships his god but does it by serving others and doing everything he can to help Other people/sacrificing himself for others yknow,, i feel like that could have an interesting dynamic of them both not respecting the other’s religious choices and beliefs (though Oscar would more want to convert Larson and Larson would just be like “you’re stupid” probably?) (and yeah if only Oscar could beat Larson up,, he deserves it)
Ooooh yeah yeah absolutely!! Butcher knowing breathing stuff is very cool and makes total sense, and it’s also cool that he approaches it from a hunting standpoint- offense not defense, while Charlie’s all defensive wanting to escape the Princess, Butcher trying to work with Charlie but they’re both coming from different places is fun to think about ! and ooh yeah Bella using Charlie more as a distraction for the other voices so she can focus on getting Arthur on her side and befriending the Princess is such a good idea
Oh true! and yeah he totally would hurt Arthur to show who’s boss (him hurting Arthur’s hand is interesting here cause yeah, the other voices would try to stop him cause they also use that hand and don’t want their shared body to be hurt- though maybe Butcher could try and convince them to be on his side and they wouldn’t try as hard to stop him? though that probably wouldn’t work cause they’d all feel the pain too)
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Yeahhh mhmhm. Larson has always given me ex-Christian vibes ? Like I have no idea what denomination but To Me I've always kinda figured he used to be in a church before he was in a cult, and I'm sure that would play a part in their dynamic ? Because he would probably have Big Feelings about the church and how his cult-y stuff is just so much better (and he's clearly got at least Some level of experience with Catholic Church stuff if he's comfy enough with it to just. walk into a confessional to hire a hitman). I think Oscar might just struggle to understand how someone could worship a deity that inarguably shows no regard at all for humanity, and also would just. entirely dislike how Larson treats his gods (like how he instantly tried to use Yellow to get more power within his own cult, using Yellow as a tool instead of treating Yellow with reverence,,) bc it would just be so ? foreign to him
ooooo hmmm yeahh I wonder if there is anyone he could convince tho ? I think Larson Would want to get any sort of upper hand on Arthur but I don't know if he'd be willing to hurt himself to get that. Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella ? Probably not. Charlie and Noel tho, I Do feel like there is probably some line of reasoning that could convince either of them. Darkthur absolutely would, he doesn't give a shiiit about self-mutilation (him removing his own arm to keep John from having ANY more control...)
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Yess you’re totally right! i thought i remembered there being a statue of some catholic saint in his house (i have a vague memory of Yellow asking Arthur why/how he knew who the saint was, and Arthur brushing Yellow off and saying he’s already explained it to John or something like that) but i don’t know for sure if that actually happened ahsjs. I absolutely think he used to be catholic whether im remembering right or not, cause yeah the confessional and also he just kinda has those vibes to me (ive never been catholic). I also totally agree, Oscar would not really understand the way Larson worships/treats gods and the gods he chooses to worship,, and Larson would totally scorn Oscar and his god and worship. i love to think about Oscar treating Yellow with reverence (as she deserves) and Larson would be so confused and annoyed, he’s so used to controlling the gods and using them for power while Oscar’s just being kind,, and Yellow’s not used to being treated like that,, ahsksksje my beloveds
i feel like maybe if the voices and Arthur were all riled up enough, if there was Enough conflict between them and if they were already hurt or in danger of being hurt then maybe Larson would go along? but idk,, Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella all wouldn’t yeah, and i think Noel could need some solid convincing but yeah he might? get on board if he really thought it was necessary, Charlie i think could be intimidated into it? or kinda like Voice of the Broken, getting hurt a little now doesn’t really matter cause we’re gonna die anyway. Darkthur Absolutely would, oh my god he and Butcher are a horrible (amazing) combo they’d be so destructive to themselves and others
Oooouh I don't have any specific memories of that happening but it sounds probable !!! Definitely remember Arthur brushing Yellow off agdhdh. I alsooo think Oscar would be extra nice to Yellow partially out of spite for Larson, if only because Larson reminds him of McKenna (abusing children under his care, putting himself at the head of a religious organization and using the power to hurt people, etc etc). Loveee any aus where Yellow and Oscar get to hang out I loveee them ::D And yeahh Larson being confused about why Oscar is being so kind to Yellow the same way he was confused about Arthur being kind to John, yesss
Ooouhh yess Darkthur and the Butcher..... absolute nightmare together, but their dynamic would be so fun and I think I need to go see if there is any content for them yet. Larson I think would probably look for any way he could avoid getting hurt himself first, but if it's not possible I think he would if desperate
i very well could have made it up in my head ahdjsk,, still kinda want to comb the transcripts though. gotta remember once I’m back from class today cause I’m not reading all that on the bus I Will get sick. also LARSON REMINDING OSCAR OF MCKENNA IS BRILLIANT OH MY GOD I’ve never thought of that but YEAH!! corrupt religious leader mistreating children, a bad portrayal of religion (larson’s not his religion but still),;; YEAH oh i love that thought so much. Oscar would hate Larson’s ass so bad. he and Yellow should kill that guy. or at least Oscar can knock him out and Yellow can kill him
Oooh is there? cause yeah that would be so fun,, would it even be considered a crackship if Darkthur probably interacted with a Butcher in his world? maybe? or maybe he didn’t make it that far idk. wonder how long he lasted actually, he seems like one that has the fight to survive. kinda think Kayne took him out himself, since he likes Darkthur so much but. mmmm i dunno
ooh yeah i agree! Larson’s definitely the guy that wants others to take the hurt instead of him, but he also will do what (he thinks) needs to be done to get what he wants. yeahh
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Any theories about what's to come in the Malevolent podcast??
I'm mostly curious about theories involving Kayne, but i'll take anything. Go on and yap
SPOILERS FROM MALEVOLENT. ESPECIALLY THE THRESHOLD.
100% agree with the jawbone, i've been praying and theorizing that it does something since i saw the name of the first Threshold ep. I know damn well it will.
And about Parker. I know this sounds a bit weird. But i bet he's Yog-Sothoth, because we already have a threshold and a key mentioned so why not??
I think that we as the malevolent fandom are the luckiest sons of bitches to exist. The idea of their MC's best friend whom he (sort of accidentally) murdered coming back to haunt the MC as a corpse ghost that he can only see and hear has been the stuff of 3am discord chats and fanfic and now. We have it canon and real in this Fucking series. Everyone say thank you Harlan
Goes back in time to save you but i fundamentally misunderstand everything that led to your demise in the first place so now we're stuck in an eternal time loop of trial and error that just ends in both of our suffering again and again and again and a
anyone into both Scarlet Hollow and Malevolent ever think about what traits Arthur and John have? cause i was thinking about it for fun and i can’t decide
Arthur I feel has Street Smart and Hot? He’s got those detective skills, can lie and spot lies well, can pick locks, all that. and Hot because of his natural chemistry with pretty much everyone. (though i can also see Powerful Build or Book Smart). John definitely has Keen Eye, and Mystical i think. my catch comes with Threshold, (malevolent finale and threshold spoilers ahead)
At the end of Malevolent I think Arthur deserves a new trait- he gets it when he and John banish Kayne. and seeing what’s going on with Threshold, it’s definitely Mystical (dead man’s mouthpiece, hearing Parker ghost, all that). so then he and John are doubling up traits,, am i overthinking this. what do you guys think
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Got into Slay the Princess recently and now I really want to combine all the characters living in my brain so. has anyone here ever considered a STP Malevolent AU. am I losing my mind or could this possibly work
tags by @clownfish-casino thank you for indulging my madness :D
I had been making it a little more Jarthur-centric in my mind, my thoughts were John as Shifting Mound/Princesses and Arthur as Long Quiet,, cause of how Arthur’s experiences and Choices made John who he is (and I wanted the together in every universe aspect), Kayne as The Narrator- I had stuck him there because of his master plan to remake the world, goals they both share,, same motivation whatever- but you’re totally right about the divorce bit as well, Narrator/Kayne wants Princess/John gone but favors Long Quiet/Arthur (this addition makes me feel better about sticking Kayne as Narrator it fits pretty well now yay) however using KIY as Shifting Mound also works well, explains the variety a bit more rather than just alternate universes and different choices mmm
I wasn’t sure about the Voices, I think I was just gonna stick Arthur’s friends/people he meets in there just cause I wanted to and call it a day BUT I didn’t think about the dream/nightmare sequences!! that makes it actually work plot wise instead of me just wanting an excuse to add The Guys :D the Voices being alternate Arthurs is also really cool, matches better with STP lore I think,, though I’m leaning towards doing other Malevolent characters cause I do enjoy trying to fit everyone in,, and there’s more selection there as well but I could see it going well either way tbh
the main thing im struggling with- if other characters are the voices- is who to put for which voice,, it might be easier to just call the voices Alternate Arthurs and not elaborate. on the other hand i did make a list of characters that could feasibly be Voices and kinda. give them new titles- they’d be different voices but they kinda do reflect aspects of Arthur’s personality?
put this together in like a half hour and im very open to other ideas as well im going off of a thesaurus, vague character knowledge, and Thoughts :)
OOHH THAT'S SO SICK ACTUALLY
it's been a bit since I've seen much STP stuff, so I'm kind
Okay okay so for Noel, you know how a lot of people give him identity issues, with 'Noel' kind of being his more confident, outgoing side, and 'Charlie' being kind of where he shoves all the PTSD and anxiety and stuff ?? I'm explaining it so badly but !! Maybe Charlie and Noel are separate voices, separate aspects of the same person. Charlie (Broken(taking one from the actual game)) and Noel (Charismatic maybe ?)
And if we're including people as the voices, I feel like it's only fair to include Faroe !! She could represent like his lingering guilt or whatever (canon compliant), or if she's not a voice then she still definitelyy should be included somehow
And so then Yellow would be one of the outcomes when Arthur chooses to interact violently from the start, and John would be an outcome when Arthur chooses to start off cautiously and then rescue the Princess ?
ALSO !!!! The mirror in the game !!! I feel there should be some sort of reference to the scene in S1 of Malevolent but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it should be so
Alsoooo I could be wrong but I think the Narrator looks like a crow in the game ???? it's been so long since I've played but if that's the case !!! just picture a crow with Kayne's big horrifying smile from 59, I think that would look sick
PLUS it makes even more sense for Kayne to be the Narrator because the knife that the Bird Guy has in the game could be the same knife that Kayne gives Arthur !!! So it kind of fits with canon !!!
since Yorick mentions that Arthur and John are the 'Day of Wrath ' in S5, maybe that's what the Narrator/Kayne keeps calling whatever is going to happen if Arthur doesn't kill the Princess ? But like he just refuses to elaborate in typical Kayne fashion
Oooooh yeah! I had made the number of voices match with how many are in the game but I don’t know how much that really matters, I really like the dual personality Charlie/Noel! maybe both Charlie and Noel are linked to the same Princess, it’s just down to certain dialogue options to determine which ends up in the next chapter? like if you’re a little scared of the Princess you get Charlie and if you’re more friendly you get Noel?
I really want to add Faroe but wasn’t sure how to add her as a voice since she doesn’t really speak in podcast but she could totally be one anyway, not sure where else she’d fit in and you’re right she should be there (she could be hero-esque in the way that she’s with him always? and she would be more urging to save not slay so it could work maybe)
Yeah! Yellow could represent the more violent Princesses and John could be the more gentle ones,, maybe the ones that have a more neutral/unengaged ones can be Hastur, no violence that creates Yellow and no kindness that creates John
OH YEAH well the mirror in Malevolent led them to the Dreamlands which is where the KIY resides so that could work? like passing through the mirror to get to the Dreamlands rather than the Long Quiet in STP. I was also thinking about the mirror that always appears in every chapter II and the fact that the Narrator can’t see it, I was trying to think about how I tie mirrors to the lighter in Malevolent but haven’t gotten far yet. also the Voices are linked to the mirror (shards of glass? i haven’t played all routes in STP yet so im not fully sure) and idk how to tie that in yet
OH YES TOTALLY!! the narrator is a crow but with teeth so that would absolutely work and look sick as hell :D and oh my god yeah the knife works perfectly too!!
Ooh yeah,, tell Arthur it’s all leading up to the Day of Wrath and he needs to slay the Princess (or would it be King in this AU? i kinda like calling John and Yellow princesses but I think King makes sense in Malevolent lore,, though I kinda want to keep calling them princesses) anyway then he’d only talk about his true plans later yeah in typical Kayne fashion,, after enough chapters or in the end :D
Yess that's absolutely where I was going with the Charlie/Noel thing, maybe like if the Princess successfully kills Arthur, then the next voice they get is Charlie. But if Arthur successfully convinces the Princess that he won't hurt the Princess so he can close enough to kill, then the next voice is Noel !! I'd imagine the point where the paths diverge is where the Princess got free of her chains, and Arthur has to either successfully convince the Princess that he's there to help, or he tries to kill the Princess and is killed instead
Maaybe one of the voices (Daniel or Bella maybe ?) could bring up Faroe, probably more vaguely at first, and maybe eventually one of the Princesses brings up Faroe just kind of out of nowhere, maybe as an attempt to stop Arthur from killing them ? Kind of like how John would bring up Faroe in earlier seasons during the Jarthur divorces
On the topic of Faroe, I do think she would Eventually come up in the Princess/Arthur conversation. I think if Arthur mentioned that it was his fault Faroe was dead, the Princess would feel maybe more righteous (idk if that's the word) in killing him, but if he didn't mention, maybe they would let Arthur get closer
Also, since in the game the Bird Guy has a more ? monstrous form than the player expects, maybe Arthur should have something similar ? Like he looks in the mirror at the end of each chapter and doesn't recognize what he sees. Which could be either bc he was *expecting* to be more monster-like (because surely only a monster would do the things he'd done) or because he was expecting to look more human (something about how he 'is the best and worst parts of humanity' like what he says to Kayne)
Whenever the main character approached the mirror, the voices would go away, right ? I feel like that could be connected back to Addison, right after Arthur had lost John and was finally alone in his head. Something about making a deal with Kayne/the Narrator to get the voices back ?
I very much agree that John and Arthur should keep being called Princesses, it sounds pretty and also I think in terms of character design, something more dress-like would look cooler !! Plus it would be easier to incorporate some sort of tentacle motif into a dress than a suit (?) in my opinion
Also !! I do think the either the Darkthur or Oscar voice should come after the Princess removes Arthur's arm, depending on how the interaction goes. If Arthur willingly lets her take the arm, then it's Oscar. If she forcibly does it or Arthur does it to himself, then it's Darkthur. I remember there was some sort of scene where the Princess bites her arm off to escape the chains ? I'm not entirelyy sure about how Arthur would end up in the arm-removal situation (combat ? starvation ?) but I think the fact that Darkthur and Oscar are both missing the same arm is too good a parallel to do nothing with !! :]
Yeah!! I was thinking Charlie/Noel could be more of a dialogue choice variation, like if Arthur picks mostly “you’re evil you need to die” options or generally has that “fuck you and that horse you rode in on” attitude he’ll get Charlie, and if he’s more friendly “you’re a good person, I know you are” options he’ll get Noel but that sounds good too!
Oh yes Absolutely!! I love Faroe being kinda hidden in dialogue till the plot progresses further, just some references at first, maybe Narrator could even hint at it “don’t pretend this is the first time someone’s died as a result of your actions” or something like that,, and yeah Daniel or Bella should absolutely be the Voices to bring her up, and they’d do it in different ways as well I think, Daniel would probably weaponize her more while Bella would try and get him not to make the same choices again or smth? And yeah maybe if Arthur listens to the talk about Faroe or picks some options reflecting her then the Princess could bring her up- and they could also present it in a different way depending on how nice/mean Arthur’s been to them,, either yeah like early seasons divorce or later on how John like comforts Arthur. (Im working on possible paths/Princess routes so now I’m filing away a Faroe ending, basing it off that one line in s5 I think? the “you have two souls within you” I really like this idea ahdjs)
Oh yeah totally!! I was thinking just a vague dark silhouette with just bright yellow eyes, and his form gradually becomes clearer and more humanish but i really enjoy a fucked up Arthur Hare design mmmm both are good,, there are four mirror bits (the fifth being Nothing At All before you meet the Narrator) so there could be room for both somewhat, start as a shadow, look slightly monstrous in the middle but fade back into painfully human at the end? idk
oh maybe? It might be hard to tie in but it could work,, I was just gonna leave it as that and keep the STP mechanics for it and not elaborate,,, cause the mirror is a gateway to Long Quiet and the voices always leave there but they come back once we’re back in the “world” but yeah I see the parallel (though admittedly the Narrator doesn’t really like having the voices there so I doubt he’d give them back)
Yayy :D ahsksj they can have so many cool designs i gotta draw these guys so bad
Oooh yeah that’s good!! Combat would probably work, but I also remember there’s a Prisoner route where the player can get their arm chained to the wall so maybe something like that? Arthur gets chained to the wall and has to remove his arm? and if you remove it to fight or remove it in a particularly violent way (or the Princess already hates you) then you get Darkthur, and if you keep calm and do it to help safe the Princess/have the Princess on your side then you get Oscar? gotta add Darkthur to my list of Voices he’s a very cool one
I also know (for the most part) whenever you finish a chapter, you get a new voice so the voice is linked to the Princess you’re on. im starting to work on some chapters/routes, I was thinking maybe like 2 or 3 for each main base (John, Yellow, Hastur) so there would be 6-9 chapter II Princesses, and then those could go to a Chapter III or Epilogue or something like that so. gotta match the voices to the chapters as well (I’m planning on shaping the chapters after stuff that happens in canon and more or less putting Voices with characters they’d associate with, like Larson can go with a Yellow chapter, etc)
oooo yess, I do think if you get the Charlie route, whichever Princess you have at the time should get to torture you KiY style, which could make the Charlie voice more subdued and maybe care less about what happens to Arthur. And maybe if you get tortured, in a later playthrough it could affect how friendly Noel is towards the Princesses ? (Sort of referencing his reaction to seeing Yellow in the Order of the Fallen Star)(Idk I really gotta check up on the mechanics of this game)
Yess, I do think Daniel and Bella would both sort of weaponize Arthur's guilt over Faroe, though the ways they would go about it would be vastlyy different (like father like daughter ! They can both have a bit of passive aggressive self-righteous anger at Arthur. As a treat) And if the Princess brings up Faroe I think Arthur should be angry that they brought her up, esp at first, but then maybe he kind of warms up to talking about her, depending on how the conversation goes. There should be one route where the Princess goes to far with talking about Faroe and Arthur just straight up kills them (oomg the Faroe ending sounds absolutely sick so far)
Oooo yes I love shadpw Arthur !!! Maybe he gets more hare-like traits if he does a route where the Princess hunts him down Butcher-style ? Idk. I do really like your idea though !! In the end, Arthur is human, and painfully so. Compared to the Princesses, he's insignificant and powerless ! He's not enough to beat them on his own, and all of his failures and shortcomings are painfully human and very much his own. I like the idea of him looking into the mirror and finding all of what he considers the weakest points of humanity looking back at him
So the Long Quiet is essentially like the Dreamlands, right ? Bc the mirror takes the mc there and removes the voice(s) (although in Malevolent it's just so the King can fuck with Arthurs head for a bit if I forget right) so would the scene where we see the Shifting Mound/the Princess in its entirety be set in Carcosa ? Like post-remodel Carcosa, since John and Yellow fix it up after they rejoin in canon
Oooo yes I think the Prisoner scene would be perfect !!! Maybe the Oscar one happens if you trust the Princess to remove your arm for you ? Like if they decide to help and Arthur decides to let them (like Oscar trusting Arthur to remove his arm) and Darkthur is if he just decides to do it himself. I do really think Darkthur would be a great voice, esp since he's Like Arthur but he's so clearly Not. Give Arthur something to kind of project his self-hatred on
Ooo, yes that sounds good !! Also, if Arthur himself can remember past routes, and he gets a John route before a Yellow one, maybe one of the defining moments would be him comparing Yellow to John, like he did in canon ? Ignoring his own role in turning yellow into what he became and sort of thinking of the John version of the Princess as more good or pure, even if he had a negative experience with John
I worked on the Noel/Charlie part a bit, what I have is like a Prison Pits inspired chapter, and if Arthur escapes he gets Noel/Confident and if he dies there he gets Charlie/Tormented, I’m absolutely adding torture into the notes for that chapter! I feel like Charlie will be very against the Princess in the next chapter, and Noel will be suspicious but able to change, he can notice that the Princess is different next time. they’re also linked to two different chapters (once you progress through three Pits you go to two different chapters based on if you get Charlie or Noel)
here’s what I have for that chapter, hopefully it’s relatively legible i was working on it later than I should have last night
OOH YES!! okay so a Faroe good ending (two souls/ I’ve been calling it The Spark— “she is the spark on every firelight you birth” line) and a Faroe bad ending (Princess talks about Faroe and then Arthur kills her, I want to see if I can tie that to the Part 18 divorce. gotta look into that)
Yay!! oh my gosh yes I forgot about Butcher, I have him as a Voice but there’s gonna be at least one chase/fight chapter so his Voice can be unlocked, the Princess that hunts him will definitely be calling him a hare or little rabbit or something (I want to make a wolflike Yellow chapter, like the wolves in Addison, I think this works with that one? Wolf vs hare, unlocks Voice of the Hunter if you don’t die)
I was thinking it kinda is? The main problem is that, in STP lore, The Long Quiet is an aspect of the player character and I’m not sure how to tie that in properly. torn between going away from STP plot and making it like the Dreamlands to match with the mirror in s1, or keeping it like STP story and Arthur has his own dimension now don’t worry about it (though admittedly The Narrator made the Long Quiet, so it could be like Kayne bringing Arthur around in Intermezzo almost? it doesn’t feel like too far a reach to say that Kayne/Narrator made Arthur a pocket dimension of sorts. idk) Tbh I like it in The Dreamlands a lot, I think it being in post-remodel Carcosa sounds really cool, it would just mean I can’t set chapters in The Dreamlands which would be fun
OOH YES THATS PERFECT okay i need to write out stuff for that chapter this is really good
Oh yes absolutely! I have a vague name down —The Eclipse—for a John turned Yellow chapter but I haven’t written much for it yet, that’s definitely going in there :D
ooooh poetry yesss !! One for each princess might be a lot of poems if there’s no repeats but for some late chapters he should totally share poetry
and as for Manager I haven’t really found a way to fit him in yet,, it doesn’t feel right to make him a Voice because of how important Kayne is so I was just gonna leave him out but idk
Oohh yes that's perfect I think !!! Maybe if they get Charlie/Tormented, there should be some instance of Charlie pointing out things that aren't there, or causing Arthur to question if anything they're doing is real ? Since such a big portion of Noel fanon includes him having post-King hallucinations, I think it could be cool to tie that in ? The next chapter he's being anxious and existential, and it would probably affect some of the other voices !! I think if Daniel was there he would probably be irritated at first but then maybe start questioning it himself, Kellin would probably add to the hysteria, Lilith would probably just be annoyed and try to shut it down so they can get on with slayinh the Princess, etc
Maybe if Noel is added, he helps kind of calm the others (bc he's Confident and he actually seems to have an idea of what's going on. Even if it's probably a lie)
ohh I LOVE 'the Spark' as a name, it feels so perfect for that !! For the bad ending, are we thinking he would kill the Princess in the classic Arthur style (going straight for the eyes and then brute forcing it) or just use the knife ? Like honestly I think he would be angry enough to just Arthur Classic it but maybe it's circumstancal
i love that omg !!! So if the chase unlocks voice of the hunter, would that be bc Arthur found himself enjoying the Hunt (even if he was the prey)(enjoying the Hunt, like how he seemed to relish hunting down Larson ?) or bc he managed to turn it around so he was hunting Yellow ? (Like how they did in the Dreamlands, killing the creature that was hunting them in the pit via rock) Oh, maybe after this chapter the mirror scene could be hare-ish Arthur !! Or at least him being human, but with those wide nervous eyes and overall jumpiness
maybe there's something about the gates of Carcosa keeping it separate from the rest of the Dreamlands ? The Princess is imprisoned with the chains and their city is imprisoned within the gates (Or something like that) which Could potentially make it so Carcosa could be used as the Long Quiet while the rest of the Dreamlands are still available for use in chapters ! Because I Do think it would be cool to have the forest for a scene (either for biting off the finger or for Arthur emerging from a tree after dying and going to confront the Princess)
ohhh the Eclipse is suchh a cool sounding name omg !! It's got very good design potential just going off the name I think !! Reminds me of those sun/moon masks, where the crescent moon is overlaying the sun ? I love that though ohh my gosh
Yes !! Like he Definitely won't share poetry if it's a more violent Princess, but maybe if he's trying to get them to trust him he'll recite a poem !! Or maybe if he's trying to self-soothe, especially if it's a poem that is similar to the 'Heart. Lungs. Liver. Nerves.' scene !! That could potentially be a good moment during the hunt, or maybe a torture scene ? On a similar note, I think the Butcher should be able to sing his song (especiallyy if they're Hunting) and Oscar should be able to hum or sing some hymns (he Is a priest and also I am CONVINCED he has a gorgeous singing voice. Most priests/pastors Do as far as I've seen)
Honestly yeah, that makes more sense !! At most there could be some sort of vague reference to the Manager and the Waylay but idk. Although after episode 60 I'm sure we'll have more Manager stuff to ponder about adding
OOOH YESS make Charlie like a cross between Paranoid and Broken almost,, post-king hallucinations make so much sense that’s so good oh my god and it would add good dynamics between him and the other Voices as well yessss
Absolutely! I really want to lean into his confidence even if he doesn’t know what he’s doing,, he knows he’s been chosen to be here and he’s braved worse and that’s all that matters etc,, thinking about him in Part 40 specifically and how even while he didn’t know about the Order before and doesn’t really know how deep it all goes, he’s always so ready and focused on the goal and doing his best to stay positive yknow
Oh he should totally Arthur Classic it!! partially because that’s very In Character for him and also because the knife is tied to Kayne/Narrator and he’s not killing for him, he’s killing for himself (plus something about hands that once held gently now turned violent or whatever)
I was thinking he begins as prey but ends up turning it around somewhat so they’re both hunting eachother? though I think all of those could work out,, even him being hunted and ending up losing can inspire him to be a better hunter in the next chapter,, like a hunted becomes the hunter type situation. and yeahh he should have like a more animalistic mirror version, i know in STP the mirrors are the same no matter what Princess you get so idk if it could be reliant on hunter? but it should definitely be one in the middle (STP has ‘you’, ‘grown’, ‘withered’, ‘unraveled’, and ‘nothing’ in that order, I haven’t thought about what Arthur’s would be yet ahdjs)
Oooh that could work!!! Carcosa is such a good location and with good ties to the KIY I really want to make it happen (and yeah I want to be able to use the Dreamlands or at least parts of it for chapters, I’m kinda using it for The Dream but it doesn’t specifically Have to be the Dreamlands) oooh if it is Carcosa then I can try and incorporate bits from The King In Yellow play (specifically like the beginning poetry kinda bits, maybe I could even use those for the mirror scenes, make them match with the verses somewhat? gotta work on that)
Yay!! Yeah that’s exactly what I was picturing! Something about John trying to be light/match Arthur’s flame, while Yellow ended up clouding it over
OH TOTALLY I gotta look up more poetry I really just know the ones from Malevolent ahdjs,, a poem paralleling Heart Lungs Liver Nerves would be awesome! and Butcher and Oscar would absolutely sing (i agree Oscar would have an amazing singing voice, he canonically hums to help himself think!! so it’s basically canon. gotta make him at least hum while he’s trying to concentrate or calm down or something yeahhhh)
Oooh Waylay is a great idea I’ll see if I can figure out a way to make a Waylay chapter because that Should be a thing,, something very hard to reach but it’s different because the Narrator can’t reach you there (because Kayne hadn’t been able to see the Waylay) and yeah 60 will definitely give me a Lot to think about here (it will ruin me I’m afraid)
yes yes yess... I really love the idea of Arthur having to deal with this whole cacophony of voices in his head arguing about whether the flash of yellow Charlie thinks he saw meant anything
absolutely !! Any time they'll all panicking bc 'ohh my god dude we're gonna DIE the Princess is gonna KILL us' Noel would be there to try and calm them down (probably referencing the prison pits ['hey ! It could be worse ::D ]) Him and the Butcher could have a really good dynamic, I think, if they do end up in a route together. They both seem like more of the cool-headed and reasonable type, they notice a lot more (like the Butcher being pretty much the ONLY one to point out how weird Arthur's eyes were, asking if he could actually see, etc)
Ohh my gosh yes good point augh !! I love the angst potential of Arthur as a father conflicting with Arthur as a killer
yess, so down for that idea !! Esp in the next chapter, if that's when he gets the Butcher voice, the Butcher can help him be a better hunter so they can trap the Princess !! Also, if we're hare-coding him, there could be some sort of 'lucky rabbits foot' thing, like maybe the Princess cuts off one of Arthur's feet/legs after catching him but before killing him.and in the next chapter the Princess still has it (like one of those crappy rabbits foot keychains iykwim)
Great minds think alike 💥💥💥 plus John's more golden color could fade to a paler, sicker yellow !!
Yess I mostly just know the Malevolent poetry, but I was pretty into poetry a few years back so I figure I could proobably find a heart liver lungs parallel (with. a couple hours of searching maybe) Oooooh maybe if Arthur finds a piano in one of the chapters (maybe a Dreamlands one ? or if there's a chapter where the scenery reflects his past, like playing at the piano while Faroe took her bath) then he can play it and the Butcher and Oscar can duet (their voices would sound so so pretty together trust me I know this in my SOUL). This is not important for the au lore but it is important to me and I like thinking about it
Oooo that would be cool !! I don't think I've seen the KiY play but I will absolutely probably go take a look sometime !! I Do think poetry would go very well with the mirror scenes, or maybe the Narrator/Kayne sort of offhandedly recites a few verses while he's giving Arthur his instructions ? Idk if that would sound right I'd have to check it out first
Also on the topic of the Narrator/Kayne, I really like thinking about Kayne doing his stupid manic laugh and how the crow face with the big freaky blackstone smile would contort to make the sound... freaky crow Kayne my beloathed
maaaybe if there's a Waylay chapter, Arthur and some of the voices that are canonically dead (Parker, Bella, maybe Faroe ?) could have some sort of interaction there ? I don't know if it would make a lott of sense for there to be a Princess in the Waylay, but that could also change depending on how episode 60 goes (I am SHAKING in my boots dude it's so over <//3) the Waylay could be something you could only reach immediately after a death, but maybe the death has to have certain circumstances surrounding it (like maybe it's similar to Arthur's death via Kayne dismembering him or being stabbed witch-style)
I do think it would be cool to have some sort of scene that parallels the hospital, where Arthur is in a coma and the Princess (probably John) is just waiting for him to wake up. Maybe Nurse Lily is just a Literal lily, like a flower growing in the hospital/wherever they are, maybe the Princess watches it grow as they wait ? Though I'm not sure why they would be waiting, because in most routes the Princess would probably jump at the chance to try and escape. Unless they were still chained ? Idk man food for thought ig
Yeah!! Im working on the voices and princesses, not sure who’s gonna be paired with who fully yet, but mmmm the character exchanges are so fun :D good point also about Butcher noticing things/Arthur’s eyes, that’ll be a good addition to his voice !! He can point out weird things about the Princess/have some general distrust along with his hunting abilities
:D I’m still not sure how to get to the Faroe routes fully, it might just rely on certain dialogue (choosing to acknowledge/mention her vs picking other options or something)
Oooh that would be so cool!! There is one chapter in STP where the Princess grabs/breaks the protag’s foot so it could probably even tie back to that in a way, the Princess could have taken it in hopes it would let them out or something but it didn’t, and now they’re keeping it around just because :))
Ooh yeah! :D mmmm character design ahdjs
Oh nice!! And piano is a great idea, it could also definitely tie in to the Faroe route, yeah in a chapter that reflects his past or maybe Parker or Daniel could make it appear or bring attention to it (oooh wait. what if it’s always there but Arthur can’t see it because he blocks it from his mind, until one of the voices point it out? then he can choose if he plays it or not, which can progress the Faroe ending?) also yes oh my god Butcher and Oscar duet would be AMAZING
full disclosure I haven’t read the play in full yet, I’ve read the beginning but idk how long it is, I’m strongly considering reading it just to maybe add references from it to here or use it for description ideas and such,, it’s been on my reading list for a while I just haven’t sat down to read a proper book in a while ahdjs
Oooh Narrator poetry is cool! I don’t remember if Kayne says any poetry in Malevolent but he’s kinda a theater kid so it doesn’t sound like a stretch,, he totally could say or reference a few lines in descriptions or maybe to try and get Arthur on his side oooh
OH MY GOD YEAHHH also like the main time we see The Narrator is through a shattered mirror,, all the shards showing different parts and stuff oughhhh he’s so cool
Ooooh yeah that’s really cool, I love the idea of just having More Voices in the Waylay (that’s kinda happened in at least one STP chapter, getting new voices in the middle of another chapter so it’s not much of a reach), and it would add to the like. off-ness of it, this place is different and we were not supposed to get here etc. I was thinking this chapter would have to be after probably two other chapters, and Arthur would have had to not listen to Narrator at all through both of them, keep saving The Princess and trying to leave, at the end of Ch II Kayne gets frustrated and steps in, (like how Narrator can take possession of protag’s body) which he’s not supposed to do, and either makes Arthur kill John/Princess and then kill himself or just kill himself (like the dismemberment sorta), and then next chapter Arthur and Princess start in the Waylay (i can’t believe we have like. 11 days till The End this is terrifying ahdjsjs)
Ooh wait this would be cool! There is a Prisoner chapter in STP where you can choose to examine a chain next to her and get chained to the wall next to her, and you both have to just stay and wait for the cabin to deteriorate around them,, this could be like that sorta? The waiting aspect at least,, Arthur’s gonna have to somehow end up incapacitated but not dead and the Princess would need to be chained without a way out,, I do love having an actual lily growing out of the wall or floor or something for John to watch mmm yeahh
Let me know when you've got a more solid idea of pairings ::D also, are you planning on making an actual game with this au, or is it more just food for thought ? Both are good in my opinion, just curious ::]
i think it relying on dialogue would be best !! Like, if Arthur chooses to just never bring her up, then it wouldn't make sense to get a Faroe ending !! Or, tying it to that piano thing, if he chooses to play one of the Faroe songs versus choosing to play something else (like some random sonata or smth)
Ouuhh you're so right !! They just snap off Arthur's foot (the left(?) foot... the one John canonically has control of.....) and keep it like a trophy!!
Oohhh yes absolutely for him not being able to see it !!! I for one believe Arthur is 100% of the 'what I can't see can't hurt me' mindset (which is NOT true because he can't see ANYTHING but EVERYTHING hurts him), and him just blocking it out makes sense for his character I think !!! I think the Parker voice mentioning it would be especially good, since we know in canon he bought Arthur a piano for their office (which Arthur ignored and never played), so he could point it out and ask if Arthur would ever get around to playing it again ? And that could spark some sort of convo that ended in Arthur Seeing it, and maybe playing it. And absolutely the piano being played should tie into the Faroe endings !!! If he doesn't play it, he shouldn't get the Faroe ending (he's not confronting his grief over Faroe and what caused it (his negligence and absorption with his work))
Reading it would probably be a good idea, if you've got the time !! Honestly I was just planning on finding a summary of it somewhere, or maybe an audio reading of it so I don't actually have to sit down and read something ? But yeah that's totally fair, I get not having the time or will to sit and read something
i don't remember if Kayne says any poetry either but I don't think it's beyond him to use a reference to something Arthur knows to try and convince Arthur to side with him !! Just kind of a subtle 'hey ! we have common interests and knowledge, you can trust me !', even if Kayne just kind of ? pulled the reference out of Arthur's head to use in conversation
OOOUH the mirror !! He'd look so horrifying !! gotta be one of my favorite versions of Kayne, he would make a great bird
ph yeah that sounds perfect !!! ::D would Arthur and all the Voices member Kayne/the Narrator taking them over in the next chapter ? I don't think I've seen that route (at least not in a long while) !! (I'm terrified !!! But at least we get a continuation of the series afterwards !! Like July I think !!)
ooh yes !! They could've had a fight that ended with Arthur being injured (maybe his leg was broken ?) and the Princess still being chained up. Maybe they chose to leave the dagger, so they weren't able to kill the Princess in the fight. The Prisoner chapter could also be tied to the Oscar/Darkthur route, if that's when they have to either self-amputate or let the Princess do it. Maybe if they choose to let the Princess do it, and promise that they'd release the Princess in turn, then they could have a choice to just leave the Princess there, or kill them ?
I will! :D I’m planning to have about two main routes per Princess variant, Hastur has The Dream and The Warden, Yellow has The Wolf and I haven’t gotten any more, basically that means each route has a main Voice with it (so Hastur’s main voices are Kellin and Lillith, Yellow has Butcher and will have Larson, and I haven’t done anything with John), they’ll all get another voice depending on the ch. III on though (okay idk if this makes sense I hope it does?) I don’t know how to make a game,, and I don’t want to like infringe on copyright if that’s a thing? I was thinking of trying to write it as a choose your own adventure-esque thing? but that would be really hard with different dialogue options so maybe I’ll just write it? it’s hard with all the options and stuff so I don’t really know ahdjsjs
Yeah absolutely!! and it helps make it stand out more / differentiate it from the other routes cause it is a little different than typical STP canon routes
Oooh yes absolutely the one John has control of (I don’t think we get to know in canon? I always assumed left though)
Ahsksj oh my god you’re so right about the “he can’t see anything but everything hurts him” and yeah!! That actually works so perfectly with what I have written for a current Parker chapter,, it’s a Yellow to John chapter- start with Yellow in like the cabin he starts in at s3, with snow and stuff, and Arthur can fight the Princess (called the Wolf), try to trap them, or secret third option: light a fire in the abandoned fireplace and try to help/bring light to The Wolf, if he does he gets Parker in the next chapter (I was going to work the next chapter’s Princess vaguely around fire already so making it a possible Faroe progression chapter is PERFECT, Parker can point out a piano in the next chapter and the Princess will already have a little history with violence but also be more inclined to be kind so it could go either way,, he could choose to play it and acknowledge his past and continue to make amends with the Princess or block out his past, turn on both it and the Princess,, YESSS)
Oooh audio is a good idea!! I like audio format more (I typically play Minecraft while I listen to podcasts, I like having something to do with my hands and helps me lock in)
Yesss absolutely ! And it’s more fun to write and add in references,, everything needs more poetry :D
HE SO WOULD I have never drawn Kayne before but I just finished my current project so I gotta draw him now oh my god (also just picturing his voice with like the rough crow sounds and stuff oouuhhhh)
I think so!! I do want Kayne/Narrator to be noticeably absent from the Waylay and having the Voices do it is cool :D also the narrator possession bit is easy to get in STP, you can get it in ch 1 if you don’t take the knife and keep trying to save her,, im making it harder to get (or at least further down) in mine though (Yeah!! I’m so excited for that, dying to know who it’s centered on/what it’s about and crossing my fingers for Oscar involvement,, and Yellow my beloved though I doubt it)
Oooh that could work! though it might be nice to have them separate chapters idk,, breaking Arthur’s leg is a great idea, I was also thinking maybe he could try to die or be killed or something, and Kayne wouldn’t let him die? so he’s vaguely in a coma or something of the sort,, not dead but not really There? not sure. Leaving the Princess at the Oscar/Darkthur route is veryyy cool, I gotta give them a new voice for that cause you won’t be able to get Oscar if you leave the Princess, it would be neat to have a three way choice outcome :D
also oooh I haven’t given too much thought to the Princess designs but I really like both ideas of them getting more human and them getting more monstrous so yeah,, maybe they do start at a middle ground so they can go either way? then them looking a little less human from the start could help with the slay routes as well, could make them seem a little more threatening if they turn that way, and keep getting monstrous with the violence routes and more human (or at least less threatening) with the kind routes yeahhh :D
yippiie ::D oooh yeahyeah that makes sense !! Games can be kind of tricky to make (in my ge u very limited experience) especially with so many routes !! But I think a choose your own adventure would be super cool omg, I've seen one where people just set it up on google slides or some simple coding !! If it was a game, I don't think it could be copyrighted so long as you make it obvious that it's a fan-made game ! For the choose your own adventure, it might be easier to limit the dialogue options to just two or three ? Like those visual novel things ? Definitely doesn't need as many as the actual STP game, that's a lot !! I'm not too sure about what voices could be linked with John's route, but I think it could be cool if he and Noel's voice had a special sort of connection ? Like with Noel being the first person to actually see John as a separate person from Arthur, and actually genuinely care about him. Maybe if they had a closer interaction it could be smth like Noel pushing Arthur to interact with the Princess as a person, not just an objective to complete
im pretty sure John has his left hand !! That's what I've always seen in fanart (haven't checked the wiki) and I just kind of associate left with anything KiY related
OOOH YES having the secret third option being bringing light to the Princess.... like how Arthur used his lighter in the Dark World to sort of clear his and John's minds.... ouuuugh you're a genius !! Plus having that be a Yellow to John chapter and tying it with music.... I feel like Yellow would really like music (Yellow asked Arthur about poetry in S3 j think but Arthur wouldn't share more with them, which is a shame. But Yellow would love music and I know this in my soul) PLUS if he plays Faroe's Song, that's used suuperr often in the podcast for Arthur and John together, and there's a version where it's piano (Arthur) and John (cello).... ough the Princess could have a sort of cello thing going on if there's any sort of audio.... I don't know a whole lot about music buut if the cello and piano are providing bg music together, the tempo of each instrument could change depending on the emotions of the character they correspond with... I don't know if I am explaining it good and I Do realize that audio might be tricky, depending on the format but... do you see the vision......
yesss evil bird Kayne.... if the Narrator Is making an appearance, would be be a white crow (I ??? Am sort of sure those can happen in nature) or just a crow that is Not horribly fucked up and not dripping with blood ? I feel like it could work for him just to look like a regular crow (although not Too regular since he's still gotta be obviously something Other), since he's just a version of Kayne and not the mirror opposite of him
oooooo alright !! I do think it makes sense for it to be trickier to get in this au, since Kayne would probably prefer to just be able to watch the show (at least the earlier portion) rather than take an active role in it (ough yess I would give everything for a Noel centric series with Oscar appearances (since that seems a little more likely to me than Oscar centric) .. and maybe Yellow !!! I am so full of hope, Harlan please give us back the new york cast)
seperate chapters could be nice too !! Although I don't know if Kayne would be one to not let Arthur die (he's seemed pretty encouraging of Arthur's deaths throughout the seasons) unless !! maybe he knew that Arthur dying would send him out of Kayne's control, even if only for a bit ? Like he didn't jnow about the Waylay or whatever specifically, but he knew there was somewhere just out of his line of sight, so to speak, where Arthur could go if he died.
oooh yeahyeah thats a good point !! They start off looking human enough to invoke Arthur's empathy, but uncanny enough to set him on edge !! Kind of like the original Princess from STP !! The Princess looks like a regular person but there's something about the way they look at Arthur, or the way they talk (probably similar speech-pattern and manipulation-wise to John from S1) or any number of things !! yeaahh
Oooh that sounds neat I’ve got to look into that! definitely sounds easier than making a game,, PowerPoint sounds nice cause then you can have slides for each scene/choice to help direct routes and stuff (right? I’ve admittedly never seen one but it feels like you can have a slide and then have links to other slides to go to depending on what choice you pick or smth) OKAY I went to google slides and tested it and I can add links on slides to other slides so that would totally work!! (then i got distracted looking at fonts and messing around but YAY that totally works!!! And it’s not hard!!) and oh good about the copyright cause while i don’t expect this to get even remotely big or popular or anything i don’t want to encroach on that stuff ahdjs
oooh I like that with Noel’s voice a lot,, i haven’t really done anything with John’s routes but he should definitely be there at some point,, gotta figure out how to get him in though. He’s in a chapter III Hastur (The Warden, prison pits chapter where you either get Charlie or Noel) and a chapter III Yellow (if you successfully defeat them in The Wolf, bc he’s confident,, though I could change that if I need) so he could be a Ch III for John,, he Could be II though mmmmm I definitely like him looking at the Princess like a person to interact with that’s really good
Yeah he has the left! and yeah based on that I just assumed he’d have left foot as well he just gets that side yea
YAYYY and Yellow does like music so you’re so real for that, they liked the bar song in Part 21, thought it was interesting,, didn’t really know how to express his feelings about it (ahdjsjs yellow my beloved) and music would be So Cool (OKAY I LOOKED IT UP and you can add music to slides and make it autoplay!! I still have to mess with it, I think I need mp3 files- just putting in a YouTube link didn’t work- and I gotta see if I can make it not choppy, changing music or bouncing back to the beginning of the song every time you switch slides and stuff, but it could totally be a thing! wonder if id need to use copyright free music or if its still okay since its fan made) :D
Oooh he could be either tbh!! But I’m drawn to the white crow,, he could still be a bit fucked up but hide it (since he’s still a Nyarlathotep) and he could be albino,,, white crow with a pinker beak and red eyes or he could be leucistic- lacking some pigment/melanin which would make him partially white to mostly white or just paler, and they can (on rare occasions) also lose pigment in their eyes making them blue!
another cool detail is that albinism is also linked to things like bad vision, and often because of this, albino crows don’t have as good chances in the wild (okay im going down a rabbit hole,, person named corvid is normal about crows, fork found in kitchen ig) anywayyy I think it would be cool for The Manager to look different and he could totally be a white/pale crow! :D
Yeah! figured since it’s a pretty out of the ordinary chapter it should be later and harder to get,, especially since the Narrator is a pretty big role and having him absent is gonna be a big change yknow (oh my god Noel centric series with Oscar appearances back in New York would be AMAZINGG)
I was kinda basing that off of the Narrator more, once The Long Quiet/the mc dies then the chapter ends and the world is doomed,, but I really like your idea!! just that he vaguely knows Arthur dying can start pushing him out of the Narrator’s jurisdiction/control and can start twisting the worlds in ways he doesn’t know oooouhhh
Yeahh absolutely!!! and yess the manipulation from early season John fits so perfectly :D
Yeah !! I remember having to do some sort of PowerPoint choose your adventure thing in school, and it wasn't too hard to set up !! Could be fun, and so so so much easier than trying to code something !!! Plus you can add transitions on slides which could make it look cooler I think... I've seen people make really impressive looking stuff so I think the slides have potential ::]
i do think it would be cool if he was in chapter three for John, Yellow, and Hastur. I just really like the consistency. In my mind Noel was just super important in John's journey to sort of discovering himself and settling into a more 'human' version of himself, since Noel was his first human connection besides Arthur, even if he had to do it through Arthur (although this time it would be almost opposite, since John would be in his own body and Noel would be the voice in Arthur's head lol)
aaauggh Yellow my beloved !!! Oooh that's cool I didn't know that !! Music would be so sick to have in the slides !! Going with copyright free music might be better, just to be safe, especially if you don't necessarily need the copyrighted songs, unless !! if you wanted to use smth like Faroe's Song, you could try reaching out to Harlan and seeing if he'd mind his song being used (which I don't think he would, since I doubt you'd be making money off this)
oooo I really do like how both of those look, esp the crow with albinism !!! oooo he doesn't have good chances in the wild (because Kayne will kill him) so he stays in his safe place (the Waylay) ooo... I think both Kayne and the Manager should be a little uncanny valley. Like sure, that's a crow in theory, but if you look closer there's a definite wrongness about them (similar thing to people headcanoning that Kayne has a similar effect in his human form, like he has a functionally human body but the way he moves in it is just wrong, or the insides are just not anatomically correct)
Ooh yeah!! It’s working super well, definitely easier for coding and with space for art and lets me add many choices and stuff it’s so good ofufjd
Yeah!! He could be in a sort of Happily Ever After-esque chapter, where they both end up leaving together and it’s like the first time they really See each other outside of the roles they’re supposed to play,, kinda links to finally becoming human/seen as human etc yesss (also it could be like a Good Ending, leaving together)
I think a lot of old classical music is in public domain, that should fit the vibe pretty well, and I just searched for royalty-free instrumental music and it looks like that should work as well! And yeah I doubt? Harlan would mind if I used Faroe’s Song (I could even play that myself too, I learned it a bit ago,, I’m not professional by any means but it could be less of a problem if im the one playing it) it’s all def something I gotta mess around with more,, but i think it should work from mp3s so as long as I can find downloadable copyright free files (or get like a YouTube to mp3 converter) then it should work!
Yessss thats exactly what I was thinking!! and yeah I think they both Should be a off putting, it’s fun to give them that sense of Wrongness (and it’s more fun to design as well) I love the way you describe it ahdjs
aaa that's good !!! I'm glad it's working well ::] so so excited for the final product ::D
Oooo YES I love that, I love the idea of them somehow managing to escape and seeing eachother for what they actually are and not what roles the Narrator put them in... yess they deserve a good ending I think
Oh yeah !! Plenty of free domain classical music, esp piano !! And I really don't think it would be an issue, since I've seen plenty of people use it in animatics or summary videos (both covers of the song and not) and none of them have been copyright claimed !! I'm not sure if they were monetized or not, but still !!
aaa thank you ::D I'm not sure what exactly what you've been imagining for the crow design, but I keep picturing he would have some sort of sharp teeth. Maybe not at first but I think a freaky bird with too many teeth (??? do birds even have teeth ??? I don't actually know, maybe some birds do ??? I might be thinking about those feathered dinosaurs idk) matches Kayne's freak
Yeah!! its definitely grown from where it started, it was all just kinda ramblings and a lot of bullet points in my notes app, now i also have the PowerPoint, google doc, and another window with about one billion tabs of thesaurus webpages open to different words and half of the Malevolent transcripts,,, but almost all the ch IIs are blocked out! Still working on which Voices get to be John’s main ones,, his two Ch IIs are: The Bound (name still pending, I think there’s a better one out there)— based on S1 divorce arcs/when they were bound together but wanted to split up all the time, didn’t necessarily hate each other forever but didn’t trust each other that much either (that’s also the chapter where the arm cutting off happens), and the other Ch II is The Friend- based on how John introduced himself as a friend, it’s the nicest ch II where Arthur and John both trust each other (for the most part at least), John’s still a little manipulative but not violent
Yessss !! gotta figure out progression to that one,, probably going to be The Friend route bc Bound already has the Oscar/Darkthur arm thing and getting Noel in there means there needs to be another chapter for him to be linked to,,, it would be long but not impossible, probably better to make it Friend I think mmm
Oooh nice :D yeah this wouldn’t be monetized i don’t even know how to go about that even if i wanted to,, its just for fun
Sharp teeth is perfect!! I think The Narrator in STP had teeth actually, I’ve kinda just been picturing him but with slight color changes, Kayne would have redder eyes and beak or smth and Manager would be pale ?
here’s the guyyyy :D and Kayne would absolutely be a freaky toothy bird !!
Ooooooo yay !!! That's good !! Ooough I love how the John chapters sound, even the nicest possible route isn't entirely honest. The best they can do is not actively try to kill eachother !!
yeaah I think Noel would probably mesh better with the Friend route, if only bc Bound already has voices. But also I think it just feels more Right to me
Ohhhhh yesss that looks sick !!! Freaky bird man with teeth <//3 I agree with the color changes !! I do think the Manager could also have the more reddish eyes, just so it's a bit easier to tell they're technically kind kf the same entity (but not yk)
Yeah! if the nice routes keep progressing they’ll get more fully nice to each other, but I was basing it off of John’s “I’m a friend” line which was admittedly a bit manipulative,, kinda want to lean into that because he still doesn’t really know STP!Arthur, still wants to make sure he stays on his good side and doesn’t get killed,, as Arthur shows himself to be a good person then John will feel able to open up and be more genuine
Okay perfect!! :D i don’t really have a name for the John chapter with Noel yet, but since he’s The Voice of the Confident then I’m thinking itll be somehow tied to like. Not defeating Kayne/Narrator but like defying him maybe? Confident in the ability to defeat Kayne, getting it from not listening to Kayne and instead trusting/freeing John/Princess mmmmm
Yeah! it would work with him being albino as well, as they already have the red eyes and beak :D
yesss I love how their relationship would start off more out of unwilling cooperation than anything else, just like in canon ::] John doesn't want Arthur to decide to kill him, and Arthur (maybe) doesn't want to kill John (at least not right off the bat anyways) and knows that if he tries there is a good chance he could die instead.
ooooohh yes... He trusts John/the Princess despite everything, like in canon !!! How even after learning that John was a fragment of the KiY he still trusted him !!! Despite the horrors !!! Plus I feel like it's a very Noel thing to just spit in the face of an eldritch god. Like yeah he'll probably be mid-panic attack bc PTSD but he'll still do it
Yeah! :D starting with the casual mutual distrust and working towards actually trusting each other
Yesss!! and yeah it is, just like in Part 40 II (I’d love to reference that somehow, the fuck you and that horse you rode in on line but not sure where to put it)
yeaah ::D worlds longest and most fucked up trust exercise !!!
Hmmm yeah idrk where that would go either, but I'm sure it'll be easier to find a place to slot it into once the rest of the dialogue for those chapters is mostly hashed out ?
Oh yeah true! mgmgg i gotta polish all the Ch IIs (and that should make assigning Voices a lot easier), then maybe get started on dialogue at least for those,, I have one Yellow finished and one named but not fleshed out yet, both John’s have names but not finished, and both Hasturs are finished.
my thoughts for how to get each chapter II was basically save vs slay- saving (or trying to) gets John and slaying gets Yellow, and choosing to lock away or leave the cabin entirely get Hastur. and then to differentiate between both Yellows and Johns, it depends whether you bring the knife or not. it kinda worked out that way so i don’t have a ton of Ch IIs (like in STP, there’s 10 I think?) this is easier, I’m kinda heading toward having fewer Ch IIs and more Ch III (and possibly IV), so i can have more developed and get more voices together :D
Oooh, that makes sense ::D especially with canon ough... saving John (Arthur kind of being forced to make a genuine connection and coming to care about him deeply) versus slaying Yellow (all of early S3. Yellow ::[ ) versus just kind of leaving Hastur (Arthur just kills himself and then leaves lmao) I do think having less Ch IIs is a good choice, esp in terms of efficiency
Yayy :D
i have been struggling to decide John’s voices,, I’m going between Antoine (Trusted), Oscar (Faithful or Devoted) and Parker (Comforter). John’s chapters are The Bound—which is the arm cut off one, so it can’t have Oscar, and you get it by bringing down the knife in ch I and choosing to save Princess/cut them free— and The Friend—got by not bringing knife and just saving the Princess.
I feel like Antoine works with Bound because the Princess would have to trust Arthur to cut them free in ch 1? but it’s also neat on a more meta level to give that one Parker because when John and Arthur got bound in s1 Parker went to comfort Arthur and got killed as a result,, comforting could also work with talking to the Princess and telling them that Arthur’s not going to hurt them?
but Friend,, i feel like Any could work for that. Trusted because there was no reason to distrust Arthur, he posed no threat so the Princess is more inclined to trust him and believe he’s there to help. Comforter because of the same reason as last one— talking to the Princess and reassuring them that they’re going to get out (and Parker was Arthur’s only friend before John came, and John said the “only friend you have” line right after killing Parker, Arthur’s only friend before). and Devoted works too, Arthur didn’t do wrong to the Princess and instead chose them fully over Narrator, not taking the knife and letting them free,,,
i don’t knowwww,, all I know is Oscar can’t be in Bound because he’s a possible voice for the Ch III after. and all I have for progression with Friend is a Bella chapter (which could lead to Faroe later), and a Noel chapter. (so if Oscar is the Friend Voice then there’s a possibility for Holy Ghosts with Noel later ooh) but yea. I’m torn idk which to go with,, what do you think?
ooooh...... I do really like Parker for Bound !! Partially because I just Really like Parker, but also because I think trust is more of a thing that is built up over time rather than immediately gained, and if it's the first chapter I don't Really think the Princess would have like actual trust in Arthur right away. I do think comforting them could work though, I like the idea of Arthur kind of approaching them like you would a scared wild animal or small child. I just think that's something he would do. PLUS the meta level for Parker is just so so good and kind of hurts !!
Honestly I'm veryyy very inclined to just say Oscar for the Friend chapter, if only for future possible Holy Ghosts,,, but yeah it does seem like all of them are good possible candidates ? Hmm I just feel like if you're trapped in a basement (or whatever exactly the Princess is stuck) you're not gonna just easily trust whoever just wanders in, even if they don't seem like a threat right away ? At least John probably wouldn't, I don't think he would be that visibly desperate, but I guess that's also circumstancal ?
Oooh you’re so right thank you !! Parker will go with Bound and Oscar for Friend, and Antoine can be saved for later chapters (it does make sense that the Princess wouldn’t trust that quickly yeah)
I’ve been thinking about a chapter based on the bone cathedral- a chapter after Friend, if Arthur chooses to leave the Princess in the cabin. I don’t have a name for that Princess yet but that chapter would be linked to Bella/Voice of the Abandoned (and it could also be a progression for a Faroe ending, cause Bella can bring up Faroe and talk about how Arthur wasn’t there for her,,). The cabin would be based off of the bone cathedral/the Princess misses Arthur and doesn’t know what to do without him, their existences are intertwined and him leaving makes their existence empty so they try to recreate it and live without him :))
yeah I do really want a Holy Ghosts chapter admittedly,, Noel has a Chapter III for all Princesses and his is going to be down the Friend path (but that’s all I really have, he’s Voice of the Confident so it’ll be something about defying the Narrator I think? finding a way for Arthur/Voices to get together with the Princess- and he’ll start them viewing the Princess as an individual person as well)
!!! YESSS A BONE CATHEDRAL CHAPTER !!! THAT SOUNDS SO SICK I LOVE THE BONE CATHEDRAL !!! ooough that sounds so good I love everything about that
a holy ghosts chapter would be everything to me. So would a Bella chapter, I LOVE her and she deserves to be either passive-aggressive or just outright furious at Arthur.
Yayyy!! it’s been in my notes for a while but I hadn’t been able to come up with a name,, thinking about The Bonfire (or Blaze or Pyre? but going with bonfire for now cause I like how big and ravenous it is) because reading back over the transcript for Part 55 I noticed John uses a lot of fire imagery and parallels for how he acted in the Dark World, the fire of hate burning out of control and all. (and fire name works well with it being a Faroe progression chapter) it’ll be fun putting Bella in but interesting cause I have no base for how her dialogue would work/sound? She should totally be passive aggressive, possibly leading into furious if it seems like Arthur’s going to start leaving this Princess as well mmmm
took me a while to come up with the name but for now I’m calling the holy ghosts chapter The Gift (after Part 5 where John gets his name) because of how Noel will be the one to start leading everyone to see The Princess as their own person and not just something to interact with/someone that needs saving or to be killed but a whole other being with a life :D (also that will likely be progression for the Waylay which also will be cool)
im so close to being done with the ch IIs but realized I need to figure out where they all lead first,, I don’t have names for the arm cut off ones yet- was thinking Darkthur’s could be something like what his world would have been like? distrustful and at odds with the Princess/John, but I don’t have a name or real chapter direction yet,, same with Oscar’s- his would be more trusting and they’d be working together, more friendly? but names are tricky,, I want them to parallel because that’s always cool (gotta read through transcripts probably, that’s where I usually go when im out of ideas)
ohhh yes I really like the Bonfire !!! I usually think of Pyre as more of a sacrificial word, and whenever I hear Blaze I tend to think back to the Wings of Fire series... Bonfires though !!! Every time I've seen one they've been massive, and usually used to destroy things en masse !!! I think it fits really well ::] Maybe Bella could sort of project how she felt about being abandoned onto the Princess, like how Arthur protected onto Larson ? I imagine she'd also talk similar to Daniel, as most children tend to sound somewhat similar to their parents, even just in word choice !
The Gift is perfect !!! Plus bonus reference to the hospital, which is also a place where Arthur, Oscar, and Noel all met in canon.... Ooo..... Plus Waylay progression !!! I love the Waylay sm, it's very interesting to think about ::]
I think some sort of parallels between the Darkthur and Oscar chapter would be awesome oooh. Really wish we got to learn more about Darkthur, would probably make name-finding a lot easier lol. All we really know is that he is he shot Eddie, he is missing an arm, and him and his John presumably have a very different relationship !! And he also died (somehow) since Arthur was the last one left. Augh. I'll let you know if anything comes to mind for him ::] For Oscar's, you could always just steal 'the Faith' from his episode if you can't figure anything else out ? I think it's a pretty good name, low-hanging fruit maybe, but it could work ! Religion aside, he's having faith that the Princess won't just kill him for kicks, and putting his trust in them without really having much reason to do so.
Oooh yes!! that’s so good oh my god, Bella learning language and word choices from Danie makes so much sense and it gives a basis for what her dialogue could feasibly sound like yeahhh !!
That’s good! It works well with the chapter yeah and it’s a good nod to his episode which is always great :D I came up with The Blessing for Oscar and The Curse for Darkthur, trying to find something with parallels and blessing kinda fits with religion ? it’s also how Oscar saw Arthur’s presence as a blessing, an answer to prayer/his purpose and all, while Darkthur didn’t trust John, assumedly saw him as a curse ? it could probably fit with the chapters as i don’t have much for them anyway, the designs for the Princesses can be similar but Oscar’s is more positive and Darkthur’s more negative,, and i guess the chapter would be about the Princess becoming unbound- like in worlds where John and Arthur had managed to split? but idkk
yeahh ::D I mean, I figure she'd probably reference religion less often ? I thiiink Arthur mentioned how much Bella hated how controlling Daniel was with religion and all that, so she probably would talk about it less ? I just think she deserves to be bitter and angry,
oooh yeah !!! Blessing fits super well with the religious themes oomg. And since they're paralleling, a curse is kind of something directly opposing trad Christian things ? Since I think curses are more often thought of as a Satanism thing (at least they are by most trad Christians I know lol) so direct opposites there in every sense of the word, I liike it. Ooh yeah for Oscars Princess design, I imagine the Princess would look somewhat divine ? Halos, extra wings, eyes, maybe a cross motif if you wanna go that route, him associating this otherworldly being with the god he grew up believing in ? Darkthur's could align more with things humans traditionally view as scary or unsettling, like the dark for instance ? His Princess could be shrouded in shadows, or the domain they're in could be extra dark (fear of what's hiding in the dark, not of the dark itself) I think the chapter being about becoming unbound makes sense ? There was a focus on separation for both Darkthur and Oscar, Darkthurs being more that he didn't want to share a body with John, and with Oscar it was more of a John didn't like Oscar because he lacked the autonomy to interact with Oscar freely ? I think its a logical place for the chapters to go, it makes sense to me at least
Oh yeah! I do remember Arthur saying Bella didn’t like the strictness and religion that Daniel enforced, she’d probably stay away from talking about that (unless maybe comparing Arthur and his actions to something biblical because she would have the knowledge about it all and know Arthur doesn’t follow those beliefs, she could use that as a way to get to him maybe? like she doesn’t have to believe it, it could just be something she grew up with and has become a part of her kinda? idk) she definitely deserves to be angry and bitter (she deserves to shoot him with a gun but i don’t think I can do that), she would absolutely side with the Princess over Arthur instantly, and I think if this Princess hurts Arthur (which they might? they would be angry but also miss him, I could see a chapter ending like how John treated the alternate Arthurs, taking him apart and such) I think Bella might not be super intent on Arthur’s survival and more about him making things right, fixing the mistakes he made and doing what he can to make it better, like what he couldn’t/didn’t do for her (if that makes sense?)
OOOH YES ABSOLUTELY :D both of those designs sound so cool !! i feel like there’s good religious parallels in this too,, i think devils are fallen angels/got cast out of heaven? kinda goes with the separation theme,, rejected and cast out like how Darkthur tried to cut John out? while Oscar’s Princess/Blessed design is more divine like his faith and the acceptance of angels? I do really like the dark angle (yessss) and it’s a good parallel too, having Darkthur’s chapter be dark- shaped by his fear and distrust- and Oscar’s be light- shaped by his faith and trust mmmm
Yeahhh !! Separation and being unbound, and like the feelings that come with,,, I like the point that Oscar’s separation came from John feeling like he didn’t have autonomy, it would be cool to add a bit of that in his chapter,, something about how the Princess doesn’t want to be tied to Arthur/Oscar, feels like their existence is tied to his (true) and doesn’t like it, even though they got unbound in the last chapter they’re all back here again, doing the same thing all over again,, while they don’t dislike Arthur/Oscar specifically they do want to get out of this cycle or something ,,? Whereas Darkthur’s would be a lot more angry and distrustful, they both want to be free of the other and would be willing to fight again to end the cycle ?
Oooh yeah, he does something she doesn't like and so she compares him to the really strict Christians (or just Daniel lol) who I figure he'd probably hate being compared to, since he has such an aversion to religion in general. She ABSOLUTELY deserves to shoot him, you are so right. And that definitely makes sense !!! She'd probably go a more of a 'face the consequences of your actions/repentance and atonement' type of route with that !! I feel like she would still have some compassion for him, since they used to be good friends (that's how their entire situation got started, if I'm remembering correctly), though I don't think it would override her bitterness at the situation he put her in. Plus I think her Christian unbringing could play into her mindset with this, the whole divine punishment thing. She could see the Princess as some sort of divine figure, maybe some sort of alternative to the Christian God/one of the 'true' gods, etc. ooouggh Bella is so interesting to me. Both the Princess and Bella still caring about Arthur but also being angry at him for justifiable reasons. Ooouh
yay ::D and yeah, you're right on point there with the devils are just fallen angels thing ! Oough it feels like everything is connecting so nicely I love this
Oooh yeahyeah, that would be cool ! lack of autonomy is always a really neat theme to sneak into media. I think ::] Arthur/Oscar not necessarily understanding why the Princess wants their fates to be separate, but wanting to help regardless. Princess is kinda 'yeah, I care about you, but I don't want to be attached to you forever/wanting autonomy and control of their own fate, etc. Ooouh yeah Darkthur would be very willing to fight for it. He's so alley cat coded. He and the Princess both have the same end goal (seperating themselves) but maybe they disagree on how to reach the goal, or just flat-out don't like or trust each other enough to work together ! Whereas I think Oscar, being a priest and therefore someone who must possess people skills, would be able to compromise and work with the Princess, even if he doesn't necessarily agree with how they're going about things. Probably would also help that he sees them in a holy light,,,
Oh yes absolutely I totally agree!! Them having a past of being friends makes their dynamic so interesting, she didn’t use to hate him and she still probably has a part of her that left, some compassion yeah, though he deserves what’s coming (and worse). Her seeing the Princess as a divine figure is such a cool angle, perhaps a true god or maybe another figure sent as like. divine punishment for Arthur, a sign of sorts? Princess and Bella is going to be such a fun combination :))
Yeah!! :D okay glad that was right i couldn’t remember but it sounded accurate !
oouh yes exactlyyyy !! Oscar and Princess would have a lot better communication I think, they’d be a lot more inclined to help each other yeah, might even agree after being talked into it by the Princess? (it would be interesting to add in Oscar’s Purpose angle, maybe like he’s unsure what his purpose is, but thinks/realizes it’s to help the Princess?) and even if he doesn’t agree he could work out a compromise yeahh,; but Darkthur (who really is alley cat coded oh my god) would be more inclined to fight, doesn’t want to talk to the Princess, doesn’t trust them (and they wouldn’t trust him either) so while they might be able to talk it out and their goals are aligned, they probably wouldn’t.
yess ::D plus I think it could be interesting if Arthur decides to tell the Princess about Faroe, since any information he shared with the Princess would also be new to Bella, since she never got to meet Faroe (maybe didn't even get to see her, depending on how quickly she died after giving birth) which would 1) possibly make Bella even more bitter that Arthur got to actually spend time with their daughter, especially after he was planning to just. leave her and Faroe, 2) yay Bella-Princess bonding over baby Faroe info andd being angry at Arthur !!
Oooouh yeah.... Oscar's original purpose (Arthur) just kind of up and left, but then a new purpose (the Princess) showed up in his life, and he's got a chance to try and save someone again. (I think that's partially why he saw Arthur as his purpose before. He saw someone who needed redemption, who needed to be saved. A chance for him to both redeem himself by saving someone else and also making up for when he failed to save Alexander in the past) Plus I feel like Oscar is just. A lot more willing to make compromises than Arthur, who's just very ? 'i am the main character/master of my soul'. He just really loves his self-righteous monologues, which I doubt the Princesses would be too fond of, bc they'd probably be smth along the lines of 'you think you're hot shit ? I'm ARTHUR LESTER, the summary of all human experience. You can't kill me in a way that matters'. Darkthur, though !! I think if he ever discovered the 'time-out' feature Arthur used on Lillith he would abuse the helll out of it. I do agree that Darkthur and the Princess would not have a very stable relationship at all, it would probably be kind of similar to how Arthur and Yellow were ? except if Arthur was even more unhinged somehow
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Oooh yes absolutely!! Bella making Arthur describe Faroe to her, all the things they did together,, maybe picking the most apologetic and nicest options help get Bella and Princess to not be *as* mad at him? Arthur could want to say that he’s changed, though his actions with the past Princess show he hasn’t changed Enough, that’d probably make them dislike him More oouh this chapter will have fun dialogue to navigate !! (it’s so fun having a Voice side with the Princess, have Arthur with both the Voice and the Princess against him,, usually the Voices are on his side mmmm)
YEAH! and ooh yeah Oscar’s willingness to make compromises is fun to play around with, it could add a little conflict if the right dialogue is chosen, Arthur could be led to feel more rigid (and oh my god real that’s exactly it) and if Arthur opposed the Princess, Oscar would need to mediate between the two and try and find a balance, and then convince the other two to follow him. ooooh
OOH it would be so cool if there was a way to implement the time-out feature in some chapters!! ik it happens in STP, there are a few places where you need to ‘clear your head’ or something like that and make the Voices go away,, like how the timeout works! that could be really cool in some chapters with multiple voices or more antagonistic voices- it would be Arthur timeout-ing the Voices not the Princess but it’s still a good enough parallel I think :D and yeah Darkthur is probably the most unhinged Voice, ill definitely use early s3 Arthur for a basis cause we don’t hear Too much of him in canon (early s3 Arthur my Nemesis,, i can understand where he’s coming from and still hold a grudge for how he treated Yellow my beloved)
also oooh good point in tags!! in STP I remember the Voices can sometimes use/control hands, i figure it could work pretty similar to that? if they’re compelled strongly enough they can start controlling a hand/arm? and it would be the left one :)) idk about eyes,, we do have a Narrator and the Voices can describe things similar to how John does for Arthur? but i don’t think we’re blind in STP,, i feel like it could go either way? i think i had defaulted to thinking Arthur and Voices both can see and was considering using blindness in another later chapter but either works I think! what do you think?
lol you're good dw ::]
Ooouh yeah yeah, Arthur would definitely pull the 'but I've changed ! I'm different now ! I've grown' and then Bella could just. point out all of the similarities in the ways he's treated both the Princess and her... oooughh
Ooh yes.. him trying to keep them both relatively calm and level-headed could be so fun asdddsffdfdg. Especially if he sort of snaps near the end, reaches the end of his patience ? Bc it's gotta be exhausting, trying to play mediator between a tragic, feral guy with main character syndrome and a literal god.
Riiight !!! Completely forgot about those tbh !! Ooough it'd be so fun to hear Arthur arguing with Darkthur, especially if Darkthur acts like early S3 Arthur (my dearly beloathed). Because yeah, Arthur could probably totally understand his reasoning !! But he might also feel like he has the Moral High Ground, since he no longer is quite as actively murderous. (I will never ever get over how he treated Yellow. Augh. I love early S3 Arthur bc we get a lot of interesting stuff about his character to really dig into !! BUT godd he fucked up so bad with Yellow)
ooough I think the Voices gaining control of left hand when they're particularly compelled works well !! Could be especially interesting in situations where Arthur and the Voices want very different things (like the Voices wanna slay the princess and Arthur doesn't, or vice versa). And the Voices describing things could be especially useful if they got put into a situation where Arthur couldn't see, or needed to focus on smth other than his surroundings ? Or it could be sort of a grounding thing, like the 'heart lungs liver nerves'. Hmm yeah I don't think Arthur should be blind in this au, but I do think the Voices should continue their descriptions of everything (if only to maintain a stronger sense of similarity to Malevolent) , which would help a lot in possible later blindness chapters !! Plus, having each voice give descriptions could help further characterize each one by how they describe their surroundings, what they choose to focus on, etc
YESS like,, you clearly haven’t changed when the living incarnation of your same choices is sitting right in front of us, and i can’t believe you have the audacity to suggest that you’ve grown and because of that we should just forgive all you’ve done ,, or something like that
Ooh yeah it would be so cool to have him snap at the end if he’s been mediating for too long! especially because Oscar deserves to crash out after all he’s been through (also him being usually chill would make them really listen to him when he snaps too I think)
Ooouh yes!! It would be cool if Darkthur Knew Arthur was a version of him as well,, he could approach Arthur that way as well like “I know you understand, we aren’t that different, you’ve done this before too” type arguments,, while yeah Arthur would definitely take the moral high ground (which would probably make Darkthur act Worse, considering how s3 Arthur responded to John in the beginning). i feel like these two could easily get caught in a spiral of making the other worse and that’s such a fun dynamic to play with :)) Darkthur trying to convince Arthur to go back to his Dark Side, while Arthur is talking all about how he’s better now and he’s grown and he’s Better and Darkthur should be more like Him etc ahdjsa
Yeah!! i mean,, Darkthur could totally do that, take the knife on his own and try to use it against the Princess,, Lillith might take possession if she feels strongly about a Princess, i guess any Voice could do it but i feel like some are more likely if that makes sense? like I don’t see Marie trying to take a knife- and even Bella might prefer a vocal approach ? Daniel also would probably Not want a knife near him,, but Butcher would totally take the knife if he tried
Ooh yeahh, or if they feel like Kayne’s being an unreliable Narrator (he would), like the mirror situation in STP? I really like them describing things for grounding, cause yeah it parallels the heart lungs liver nerves but also that’s something John does for Arthur when he’s panicking or needs to get his mind off of something yknow mmm,, and yeahh it’s a great way to add further characterization and distinction between the voices!! that’s so fun ahdkaks
OOOH yes yes I like that
Absolutely !! Oscar crashouts my dearly beloved !!!! He deserves it !! Pluss you're so right that it might actually get them to listen to him !! I do feel like Arthur wouldn't back down super easy (unless he thought it would benefit him) but I have full confidence that Oscar could beat his ass. even as just a voice in his head
ooouhohhh yesss I love that !! Darkthur would definitely hate Arthur trying to act morally superior, especially since they're literally the same guy !! Esp since Arthur would go on his long-winded rants about humanity and such. Which would be made worse by the whole 'what makes you special ? Why do you have full control of the body and I'm stuck as a voice in your head ? Don't I deserve the same thing ? We've both done awful things, what makes my actions less justified than yours ?' plus Arthur comparing Darkthur to how He used to be... ooough... kind of like the whole 'well back in my day'
ooo good point !! With Marie though, she did kill her husband by herself, so she definitely is capable of violence !! We don't know the exact circumstances tho soo... I don't think she would want to hurt anyone else after that, but she didn't seem particularly broken up over his death ? Much more upset about Hattie and her son. Similar with Oscar !! I don't think he would usually try to grab the knife himself, but I do think if he thought it was justified, or the 'only way', then he would. Especially if he thought it would save the world; sacrifice the one to save the many ? (giving the Princess the Jesus treatment) I think Noel/Charlie could ? Like he would definitely shoot someone but I feel like. stabbing versus shooting take different things. Stabbing via knife is a lot more messy + hands on, plus he'd be more comfortable with a gun, so I think knife would have to be a bit more of a drastic measure, esp if you're having him try to talk his way out of stuff
ooouh yes Kayne unreliable narrator my beloathed <333 I don't think all of the voices would do Johns over-describing-when-nervous thing though, like I definitely can't see Marie or Daniel doing that. I feel like they're more a scandalized 'Oh my !!!' or 'Dear heavens !!' lol. The Butcher though ? Possiblyy. I feel like it takes a lot more to get him genuinely scared
Yesyess :D Oscar could totally beat Arthur’s ass if he put his heart into it, he just needs proper motivation
YESS TOTALLY they’ll have such a fun (horribly toxic) dynamic just constantly making eachother Worse (unless Darkthur can manage to get Arthur on his side? or Arthur finds a good way to appeal to Darkthur? something something about forgiving the parts of yourself you don’t necessarily like or want around anymore)
OH TRUE yeah she probably wouldn’t want to use the knife but she would if she felt like she had to, if not using it was going to be worse (though she probably wouldn’t have a ton of opportunities to want to use the knife, she wouldn’t be unlocked by violent actions). I feel like she’d more try to strengthen the bond between Arthur and the Princess, like how she encouraged Arthur to go see Daniel,, something about “say what you want to say now because it might be too late later”, she feels bad for not being as nice to her son and doesn’t want to see Arthur repeating her mistakes
Yeah i agree! Oscar probably wouldn’t choose violence first, but he does use violence in the past to protect those he cares about- Alexander and hitting Butcher with bedpan for Arthur. so if he got drawn to one side or the other, protecting Arthur or protecting John, he could possibly use the knife against the one trying to hurt who he cares about ? (and ooh yes him tying it to religion, Jesus treatment is so good oooouhhh)
Oooh good point, Noel would totally take a gun but yeah knife is more hands-on,, he could probably use it if he had to? i feel like he could have that attitude he had in 40 II, standing up to Yellow, maybe he’d try to throw the knife? cause yeah i don’t think he’d want to get that close to the Princess, even if he’s beaten them before, he’d much prefer to use his words. I feel like Charlie would be more likely to use the knife out of desperation maybe? like he’s already been beaten by the Princess and he’d do anything to Not Go Back, including risking it all? or maybe he’d just give up because there’s no point mmmm
Trueee !! Marie and Daniel probably wouldn’t even want to talk about Horrible Things(tm) like how Daniel didn’t want to believe he saw the tendril Arthur showed him, he’d probably want to just pretend it’s not real, Marie could probably acknowledge it but not want to talk about it? like how she would dodge questions about her husband and Hattie until confronted, she kinda more brushes over stuff she doesn’t like? I feel like Butcher (and Lillith too i think) would like describing things in painful detail to make them More scary, to try to make Arthur uncomfortable maybe? did Butcher ever describe Arthur’s surroundings to him in podcast or is my brain lying to me, i feel like he did at one point but i could be wrong. I think Lillith would enjoy trying to make Arthur feel Worse until/unless they are on the same side. and yeah I agree, takes a lot more to make them actually scared
absolutely !!! If he's not motivated enough after Arthur cut off his arm and dumped him at a hospital (after Oscar told him that he was his PURPOSE and helped him despite Arthur being a WEIRDO) then I think some liquor in his system could do the trick
Oooooohh.... I think them working together would be super interesting !! If they can just get over their own self-loathing long enough to try !! I think Arthur could be convinved to see things from Darkthurs point of view easier than the reverse, if only because it's easier to slip back into negative behaviors than it is to force yourself back into positive ones, yk ? Like it would be easier for Arthur to return to his prison pit/ early S3 mentality where he's angry and murderous than it would be for Darkthur to successfully reign himself back in. At least, I think so ?
OOHHH YOU'RE SO RIGHT !! Especially if the Princess and Arthur had developed a bit of rapport but then one of them ruined it by doing or saying smth they should've have (Jarthur canon divorce moment. Maybe the Princess brings up Faroe, like how John blamed Arthur for her death in liike. S2 ? Or Arthur does something to piss off the Princess, like refusing to tell them what Charlie or the other voices are saying idk) and then Marie just. scolds them until they fix it. Relationship counselor
oooohoo yeah.... If he ends up going for Arthur, that could be how he loses the pinky ? (Can't remember if we've already established anything on that) Plus I think it could also depend on how both of them treated him earlier; like if Arthur was just. openly mocking his faith or snapping at Oscar while he was meditating, I feel like he'd be more willing to turn the knife on Arthur ! Same thing if the Princess shows an interest in what he does (Maybe for Yellow, bc Yellow likes music and Oscar is a priest who can Most Definitely sing. But probably not John bc I feel like John just has an instant distaste for Oscar in most every universe ::[ )
Ooh true, throwing the knife would probably feel much safer for him, out of tentacle range and also out of mindfuck range (possibly not, but even just believing this is true would make him feel more secure). Mmm yeah I think if Charlie were to use the knife, it would probably be more on himself then it would be the Princess. That 'I can't go back' mentality, he's just desperate enough that killing himself (along with Arthur and all of the other voices !!) seems like a better option than running the risk of going back. Whiiiich could lead to a sort of scene where the voices are fighting for control of the hand ? Not entirely sure how that would work but. I seriously doubt they'd all be content to sit back and let Charlie kill them in a panic
oooh yeah you're so right !! I do think the Butcher sort of describes what's going on to Arthur ? When he's taking jarthur down to the basement to kill them, he's leading Arthur down the stairwell with directions where to go. But it's more just 'left here' than it is actual descriptions ? I think if he were to describe something he'd definitely reference the music he's constantly hearing, as well as also his job ? I just feel like he would describe gore strangely, kind of admiringly in a way. Like if they were to find something the Princess had mutilated, the Butcher would probably sound more like someone appraising a cut of meat than someone horrified and disgusted.i ALSO think Lillith and Bella should gang up on Arthur. He deserves that much, and also they can be angry about Faroe together (esp with how Lillith was in Part 58 about Faroe... Ooooughh)
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Oooh yeah you’re right, maybe he could get angry at Darkthur first, if Darkthur can push him that far, then he can get Arthur to channel that anger toward the Princess since he’s already lost his morality/high ground standpoint by getting mad,, then it’s just a “see? you’re already angry, you’ve done this before” kinda thing yeahhhh
YEAHH she’d probably be one of the few Voices that really Want to strengthen the bond between Arthur and Princess (and yeah they totally would mess stuff up and have a divorce moment even if things were going well,, Arthur not sharing what the Voices are saying is really good cause yeah that would annoy the Princess and he doesn’t really share what John says in canon mmmm)
Oooooh yeah i don’t think we have anything for the pinky!! and yeah good point, how both Arthur and Princess treat Oscar could totally influence who he sides with !! i was also thinking he might side with whoever seems more willing to be kind to the other, like if Arthur keeps wanting to attack the Princess but the Princess wants to escape together Oscar might side with the Princess? i Personally really want Oscar to side with Yellow because YES Yellow likes music and Oscar can absolutely sing and also i feel like Oscar “you are my purpose” Malevolent would give Yellow the respect and validation she needs so badly oouguh (i feel like maybe John always disliking Oscar can be avoided by him not really knowing he exists as a Voice? cause yeah that would kinda stack it against him :( )
Ooh yes good point, Charlie would absolutely want to use the knife on himself, that’s so Voice of the Broken of him oouh. I know in STP when Broken tries to stab himself, Hero gets control of the other hand and blocks it? it could kinda work more or less like that, though then the Voices would be able to control more than just the left hand,, though it could be Arthur using the right hand and Charlie with the left? and the other Voices are battling Charlie for control of the left hand? idk
OOOHH YEAH that’s so good !! he would totally describe his music- he could even sing/hum it, though i don’t know how to really carry that in besides just saying it in subtitles- it would be really cool if Butcher still hears music in his head despite being a voice in someone else’s head ooouh,, and him having a more admiring description of gore is so good, he’d definitely get the opportunity in at least some of his chapters! maybe even he could do that while describing injuries he/Arthur get from the Princess, talking about how they got hurt but more admiring/critiquing the Princess’s workmanship? and YEAH i love that part so much oh my god!! Lillith would side with Bella instantly and she already is sympathetic for Faroe ooouh they gotta get paired together somehow (Lillith my absolute beloved)
Mhmhm mhmmm yesss !! I agree that the Princess would be pissed if Arthur wasn't sharing what the Voices were saying, maybe feeling some sort of camaraderie over their shared lack of autonomy (Voices stuck in Arthur's head, the Princess being trapped in wherever they're trapped in) which could be a good divorce point !! Princess wants to know what the Voices are contributing to the conversation, and Arthur doesn't want to just be a mouthpiece
oouhhhh YES I love the Oscar-Yellow team up, it would be everything to me !!! Plus I've seen other Oscar + Yellow posts, stuff about Oscar sharing bits of his faith with Yellow and Yellow deciding that she wanted to be more like the kind, benevolent God that Oscar talked about.... HOWEVER. Arthur would have to be the one sharing these stories with Yellow and I do NOT think he would be as delighted as Oscar would be to share anything Christan (mmmm good point... and he wouldn't really have much reason to hate Oscar in this universe ? since in canon he hated Oscar bc of his own lack of autonomy and jealousy over Arthur. But now John can actually speak on his own and interact with the world so.... hm)
Ooooouhh I don'tknow if Arthurs got enough self-preservation left in him to successfully stop Charlie from using the knife on them, but I do think the other voices might ! OR the Princess could also just. forcibly stop Charlie ? Either via tendril just. grabbing the arm or maybe thru the same sorta mind control yellow used in part 40. But that would raise the question of why the Princess doesn't just compel Arthur to let them out. BUT that could also just be ignored and do this anyway becauseee it would make Charlie freak out SO much dude
hmmm, I don't really know how to convey that either, orher than Arthur asking him to stop humming ? I imagine that would make it pretty hard to concentrate, but the Butcher would probably hum mostly at points where they are either hunting the princess or being hunted
Ooh TRUE that would be a really good bonding point between Princess and Voices and divorce opportunity for Arthur and Princess! orr maybe if it’s a scarier/more violent Princess the Voices might not want to be heard, but the Princess would want to hear them anyway, and Arthur has to choose between them ooh,, but if it’s a nicer Princess the Voices might want to be heard (like Oscar might want to talk right to the Princess probably) and Arthur wouldn’t want to just sit here and speak for them yeahhh
YESSS also that’s such a good name for the Ch III Yellow and Oscar chapter- The Deity :D Oscar’s devotion and kindness making Yellow want to be like that is SO GOOD OUHH i love them so much absksns (but yeah you’re right, Arthur wouldn’t really want to share the Christian message- he’d probably want to go the other direction, talking about how it’s fake and bad and gives false hope and stuff,, that’s a good situation for the topic above- Voice wanting to be heard but Arthur not wanting to share,, maybe Oscar can convince him, say it’s a good way to help Yellow or make them less aggressive or something)
ooh yeah you’re right,, the Voices would be able to stop Charlie more than Arthur definitely. as for compelling, i do remember in STP the Princess is able to compel the player (by blacking out the other choice options) so KIY Princess being able to make things happen is definitely still possible (and a really good idea), if Charlie and Arthur don’t have enough willpower (and Charlie probably doesn’t have much) then the Princess can kinda take over, make the choices for them, and make them set her free (kinda like The Tower in STP) it would be so cool and would absolutely make Charlie freak the hell out :D
yeah, i was thinking something like just saying like “Butcher: humming” or something like in place of dialogue? and yeah Arthur telling him to stop is good, it would probably be annoying when he’s trying to focus on hunting or not getting caught yeahhh
oouh yeah !! I suppose it might depend on the Voice, with whether they'd wanna talk to scary Princess or not but. the vast majority of them would NOT want to (Butcher might because he is a freak like that)
Yess I like that a lot ::D Arthur probably would only agree to share what Oscar was saying if he thought it could help them kind of make Yellow more manageable lol
Oooooo yes that would be so fun ::D I do think Arthur would probably have the most willpower at any given moment, with how stubborn he is and how he handles any bad situation. Plusss Charlie freaking outttt while Arthur has to free the Princess ::D fun !!! That would be doubly bad for the voices, they already lost their autonomy and got stuck in some British guys head, they can control a little bit of the body sometimes and they can help make choices. But noww they can't even do that, they can't make choices and they can't move the body. No one is in control !! Arthur would probably make it more about himself (I'm losing my autonomy !! This isn't supposed to happen to me ::[ it's my body !!) and it could be so funn
oouh, yeah, I think that works !! I do NOT think the Butcher would appreciate being told to shut up but. maybe he would if it meant a lesser chance of being caught or losing the advantage in the hunt
Ooh true, Butcher would and Lillith would, Kellin might? Larson might as well because he’s into that stuff, but the others probably not? i guess I could see Noel trying to stand up to one, like in The Order perhaps ? but yea most of them probably would rather just have Arthur do the interacting yeahhh
Yeah exactlyyy :D
OOH YES Arthur would absolutely make it about himself while all the Voices are there like “well we had barely anything to begin with and now even that’s been taken away”, Charlie would be freaking out, Nobody but the Princess is having a good time right now ahdjsk (probably depending on which other voices are in there some would try to calm Charlie and some would probably just try to shove him away and try to regain at least a little control,, mmmm fun)
ooh yeah, though if he was just humming in Arthur’s head he probably wouldn’t be in danger of being heard? he might get more mad at Arthur for telling him to shut up, because Arthur would actually have to talk mmmmm
Oh God I hope if Larson says anything he gets shut up SO fast he would fuck everything up crazy style. Like yeah, it wouldn't be the same as in S3 since all of the Princesses already know they're gods, or a fragment of one, but still ! Crazy cultist guy inside the head of a guy who HATES cultists, trying to talk to one of the things he worships ? He would just be so annoying to have inside your head wow
Ooouh I imagine Arthur doing all that would just lead to a lot of the voices yelling at him. Yiiikes headache time ! Hmmm I wonder who might try to calm Charlie down tho. Probably Oscar, comforting people is a big part of his job ! (eheh holy ghosts....) Marie and Daniel I can't see doing that I, I feel like they'd be awkward and uncomfortable. The Butcher, maybe ? I feel like he would do it in an Interesting way tho. Lillith could, but I don't think she would bother unless it was in her best interest ? like if Charlie panicking wasn't putting her in a bad spot, I doubt she'd try to help. Larson - absolutely not. He would be so awful at it, God. Bella ? Maybee ? Don't really know about in canon, but maybe she's as awkward with it as her dad ? Darkthur could, since he is Arthur and Arthur can do it. I just think he probably also wouldn't bother
Mmm true true. Probably would tell him to just 'focus on the hunt'. Hes not being annoying, Arthur ! He's providing background music ! He is setting the mood ! I imagine the Butcher would probably be much less threatening without the means to actually kill Arthur or hurt him without hurting himself in the process, so Arthur could just tell him to shut up ig
HE REALLY WOULD BE SO ANNOYING unfortunately for everyone he’s a main voice on one of the Yellow routes 😔 there’ll be a whole chapter where it’s just him and Arthur,, Arthur should be able to timeout this guy cause Yeah he’s really going to be such a pain (he’s going to want to try and “set the Princess free”—and reset the cycle— so that they’re indebted to him and he can hold power over them. taking advantage of the situation to gain power) a possible progression chapter from his Ch II has Oscar as an added voice so they get to interact! and that’ll be interesting, power hungry cultist and priest devoted to serving others :]
Oooh yesss Oscar totally would! (yay holy ghosts!!) I could see Marie kind of doing like a pep talk of sorts, like a “keep it together young man” type thing maybe? and yeah Daniel and Larson wouldn’t be any help at all, I do agree Butcher would probably try to calm him somehow (because he knows freaking out isn’t going to help Anyone), he definitely would be interesting about it though (i don’t think threatening Charlie to calm down would work? though it seems like something he could do) but he would absolutely have Some way of doing it,, Bella perhaps? but maybe she has other things to worry about, she’d maybe be wanting to get the Princess out of the chains/sympathizing with them(which would make Charlie worse)? yeah i agree Darkthur wouldn’t bother, he probably wouldn’t give a shit about any of the other voices ahdjs
Yeahhh exactly!! (the question would be if Butcher would be willing to hurt himself to hurt Arthur,, i don’t know how much he’d mind getting hurt and he’d probably enjoy being able to hurt Arthur if they’re not seeing eye to eye or just being able to get a reaction out of him cause he’s a freak like that,, mmmmm)
Yikes 😬 I do NOT envy Arthur, it's bad enough having a southern asshole in your head at the best of times, much less when you are actively trying to kill god !! also ooo.... Oscar and Larson interactions would be so so interesting (if only they had physical bodies so Oscar could hit him over the head with a bedpan <//3)
I think Oscar's help would actually be Helpful, Marie's....? eh ? probably wouldn't completely solve the issue but it would be better than nothing ! at the very least it might distract Charlie from the issue at hand. Mmm the Butcher..... I think he would know a thing or two about how to slow down your breathing (for hunting and his Job) which he could use to help Charlie calm down. He would be Weird about it tho,,, I feel like calming Charlie wouldn't be Bella's top priority, yea, bc she's more focused on the Princess, and so long as Charlie's panic isn't getting in the way of that, she can work around him. Plus, if the other voices are helping him, she can try and shift Arthurs focus away from Charlie and co and back onto getting on the Princess's good side
oooo yeah.... I don't think he's got too many qualms about hurting himself (after he learns that Daniel is still alive in S4 we can hear what sounds like him slapping himself ? didn't read the transcript tho, not certain), tho I think hr would probably prefer not to. I Do think he would try and hurt Arthur in order to 'try and show him who's boss', and then the other voices would freak out because they kind of needed that finger
oh my god sorry it’s been so long i was on spring break and i usually write when im on the bus to class so i just forgot
REALL and yeah!! i feel like it’ll be interesting cause they’re both very religious but in very different ways, Larson wants to harness the power of the gods and appeal to them and sacrifice other people for his benefit and whatnot, while Oscar worships his god but does it by serving others and doing everything he can to help Other people/sacrificing himself for others yknow,, i feel like that could have an interesting dynamic of them both not respecting the other’s religious choices and beliefs (though Oscar would more want to convert Larson and Larson would just be like “you’re stupid” probably?) (and yeah if only Oscar could beat Larson up,, he deserves it)
Ooooh yeah yeah absolutely!! Butcher knowing breathing stuff is very cool and makes total sense, and it’s also cool that he approaches it from a hunting standpoint- offense not defense, while Charlie’s all defensive wanting to escape the Princess, Butcher trying to work with Charlie but they’re both coming from different places is fun to think about ! and ooh yeah Bella using Charlie more as a distraction for the other voices so she can focus on getting Arthur on her side and befriending the Princess is such a good idea
Oh true! and yeah he totally would hurt Arthur to show who’s boss (him hurting Arthur’s hand is interesting here cause yeah, the other voices would try to stop him cause they also use that hand and don’t want their shared body to be hurt- though maybe Butcher could try and convince them to be on his side and they wouldn’t try as hard to stop him? though that probably wouldn’t work cause they’d all feel the pain too)
ITS BEEN A BIT SORRY I GOT DISTRACTED
Yeahhh mhmhm. Larson has always given me ex-Christian vibes ? Like I have no idea what denomination but To Me I've always kinda figured he used to be in a church before he was in a cult, and I'm sure that would play a part in their dynamic ? Because he would probably have Big Feelings about the church and how his cult-y stuff is just so much better (and he's clearly got at least Some level of experience with Catholic Church stuff if he's comfy enough with it to just. walk into a confessional to hire a hitman). I think Oscar might just struggle to understand how someone could worship a deity that inarguably shows no regard at all for humanity, and also would just. entirely dislike how Larson treats his gods (like how he instantly tried to use Yellow to get more power within his own cult, using Yellow as a tool instead of treating Yellow with reverence,,) bc it would just be so ? foreign to him
ooooo hmmm yeahh I wonder if there is anyone he could convince tho ? I think Larson Would want to get any sort of upper hand on Arthur but I don't know if he'd be willing to hurt himself to get that. Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella ? Probably not. Charlie and Noel tho, I Do feel like there is probably some line of reasoning that could convince either of them. Darkthur absolutely would, he doesn't give a shiiit about self-mutilation (him removing his own arm to keep John from having ANY more control...)
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Yess you’re totally right! i thought i remembered there being a statue of some catholic saint in his house (i have a vague memory of Yellow asking Arthur why/how he knew who the saint was, and Arthur brushing Yellow off and saying he’s already explained it to John or something like that) but i don’t know for sure if that actually happened ahsjs. I absolutely think he used to be catholic whether im remembering right or not, cause yeah the confessional and also he just kinda has those vibes to me (ive never been catholic). I also totally agree, Oscar would not really understand the way Larson worships/treats gods and the gods he chooses to worship,, and Larson would totally scorn Oscar and his god and worship. i love to think about Oscar treating Yellow with reverence (as she deserves) and Larson would be so confused and annoyed, he’s so used to controlling the gods and using them for power while Oscar’s just being kind,, and Yellow’s not used to being treated like that,, ahsksksje my beloveds
i feel like maybe if the voices and Arthur were all riled up enough, if there was Enough conflict between them and if they were already hurt or in danger of being hurt then maybe Larson would go along? but idk,, Oscar, Daniel, Marie, and Bella all wouldn’t yeah, and i think Noel could need some solid convincing but yeah he might? get on board if he really thought it was necessary, Charlie i think could be intimidated into it? or kinda like Voice of the Broken, getting hurt a little now doesn’t really matter cause we’re gonna die anyway. Darkthur Absolutely would, oh my god he and Butcher are a horrible (amazing) combo they’d be so destructive to themselves and others
It's finally done! My Scarlet Hollow character profile template!
The idea with this was to make a template that I could apply to any MC by just showing and hiding layers (302 layers to be precise) I tried to represent as many things visually as possible to make it so this wasn't just a list of choices and more of a visual representation of each MC based on the journal in the game.
If anyone wants to use this, I made a png version or if you want to join me in the weeds you can download the psd here (as well as a png of all the in memoriams!). I hope you like it!
I think among all the character stories in Scarlet Hollow the one that hit me the hardest so far was Kaneeka's... Like she starts as an interesting contrast to Stella who is very open and willing to believe in the supernatural, because she is very rooted in reality and more idk... What you would expect from a person you just met in terms of openness. Like she's friendly esp if you are friendly with her but it's not over the top in a way gregarious Stella can come across (and even put people on guard with how open and friendly she is lol).
I also like the subtle elevation of stakes when it comes to her story. Like there are hints that something is off but at first it comes across as idk... Expected family problems. Bc ofc she as an elder sister is being smothered in favor of her brother. Of course she's the one who has to bear all responsibility. And then it slowly unravels that it's not only this, but she has been groomed to be the next sacrificial lamb in her mother's quest for power. She is a sceptic not only bc it's her belief but also since she was a child her mother possibly denied her own powers lest she slips out of her control. She called Kaneeka back and is not letting her leave, trapping her in the family house. The way Kaneeka genuinely talks Abt her inner life if you romance her is also just so heartbreaking bc she has been purposefully deconstructed as a person so she has poor self esteem and that poor self esteem is making it hard for her to seriously commit to deep relationships with people so she can't even escape emotionally too much (her outlet could be Reese or Stella but Reese is locked in a basement and Stella illoves keeping up the status quo and she is also not the most emotionally available person).
Like ik other people also talked Abt the racism angle here, how Sybil is willing to use her black daughter like this, like a discardable tool. Like specifically exploiting her body... I also think it might have been a malicious conscious decision on her part because the last daughter she did not want to sacrifice looked just like her and that's what made her hesitate.... So instead choosing to have mixed children who are unlikely to have her green eyes for example feels so insidous...
And it's all just so heartbreaking because you meet Kaneeka and she's smart and self assured albeit prone to freaking out. And she is a cool goth girl. And then her entire existence and her agency in the story is slowly getting erased and destroyed by her mother. It's horrifying.
I love Scarlet Hollow. i love how many different actions i can take and how my character can do/say so many different things. i can stay home and clean a bathroom instead of going out researching monsters in the woods. i can put a dead rat in my cousin’s mac and cheese box. have i done either of these things? no. but the options are there and they please me
@chibikittens OOOH THANKS im absolutely doing that next run then, ive always been curious why that’s something i can do