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A post about ashes and the Iliad
Early April, 2016: I was hoping to move on from “ashgate” without comment, but my observation of the discourse around it compels me to bring a couple more ideas to the conversation. There are many ways to look at this strange little bit of extra “text” that JJ Abrams gave us, pretty much all of them bad, but there’s one other reading that I have not seen mentioned, which suggests the possibility of a different, less grotesque interpretation, and that’s why I am writing this.
First, (and most importantly) bear in mind that the “ash” scene did not appear in the film in a way that demanded the explanation JJ offered. It does not appear in any of the other formats of the story (novelizations, visual dictionary, etc), so as far as the Star Wars universe and canon is concerned, it never happened. I rather wish I’d never heard, read or seen anything about it either, but JJ Abrams felt the need to share it with us, so here we are.
Let’s begin with a few lines from the Iliad, an epic poem written more than two thousand five hundred years ago, about the Trojan War. It is the story of the Achilles, a warrior who, at the beginning of the story, is a model of honor and strength. Later, grief over the death of a special comrade sends Achilles into a berserker’s murderous rage. He kills the Trojan warrior Hector and brutally dishonors Hector’s corpse before the gods intervene to bring about an end to the conflict, allowing Hector’s body to be returned to Troy. It’s a very long poem about war and its costs, but the gist of what I’m getting at in this writing appears in early sections of the work that establish Achilles’ good character as a warrior, describing his respect for the enemy dead:
[Hector’s wife, Andromache, praises Achilles’ past respect for the dead in this passage]:
My father great Achilles killed when he plundered Thebe
He killed him, but, reverent at least in this, did not despoil him.
Body, gear and weapons forged so handsomely, he burned,
and heaped up a barrow over the ashes.” (6:484ff)
This form of respect for the dead of an opposing army was culturally normative for both the ancient Greeks and Trojans. King Agamemnon agrees to a truce with the Trojans to permit them to bury their dead in another early part of the poem:
“As to the dead, I would withhold no decency of burning; a man should spare no pains to see cadavers given as soon as may be after death to purifying flame.”
What on earth does this have to do with Star Wars? Bear with me.
I’ve been thinking about the possibility that the new Star Wars trilogy may be structured like an ancient Greek tragedy, but I have not tried to frame this larger idea. In any event, the crux of my argument tying Star Wars to ancient Greece, the structure of a tragedy, and the Iliad as a war story has a lot to do with Adam Driver, and the unique perspective he has brought to the creation of the character of Kylo Ren.
As most of us know, Driver was classically trained in theater. He also served as a Marine, and while he was still a student at Juilliard, he and his wife Joanne Tucker created the non-profit, Arts in the Armed Forces, which brings professional theater to active duty military and their families. Here’s part of their mission statement: AITAF programming accentuates the shared humanity of all Americans by using performance to unite artists and service members and encourage dialogue.
Arts in the Armed Forces is an organization dedicated to helping people who are engaged in war to process their experiences by offering up compelling stories which can “describe the indescribable,” as Driver said about his own process of learning to deal with his military experiences through self-expression, storytelling, and theater.
One of the stories that has remained relevant to military audiences and to veterans dealing with combat trauma is the Iliad. The passages I quoted above are from Jonathan Shay’s excellent book, Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character. In it, he draws comparisons between Achilles’ experience of war and the moral injury of soldiers suffering from the unresolved grief of combat trauma. Driver himself is clearly familiar with the connection of this ancient story to contemporary ideas about war. He is the narrator of the book, The Theater of War: What ancient Greek tragedies can teach us today, written by Bryan Doerries, who is also a member of the board at Arts in the Armed Forces.
Adam Driver has been aware of these ancient war stories for many years, and sees their connection to contemporary experiences of war. He may even see them as connected to a war taking place in a galaxy far far away.
So here’s my point, and the intuitive leap that I made when I looked at the still photo that accompanied JJ Abrams strange revelation about Kylo Ren and the “ashes of his enemies.” Another interpretation, one which suggests it is possible that this weird bit of discarded film may have had roots in something quite ancient, and without evil intent.
As a character, Kylo Ren is a warrior acting within the realm of what can be considered honorable in war. Viewed through this lens, the character’s behavior can be construed as morally right within his own experience. The ashes can represent respect for the bodies of the dead. An act of remembrance perhaps, and an act that could be intended as honorable.
This is a complicated idea to try to express (look how long this damn meta got), and includes concepts that are alien to a contemporary American movie audience. The scene didn’t fit in the story, and it was dropped - it’s not hard to see why. It’s unsettling and strange, and obviously very open to interpretations that may not have been the intent. But it was there, and now we’re talking about it. My little essay should probably have spent more time talking about the creative process, and why we scrap or edit bits of story that don’t fit the larger narrative. The timing of JJ Abram’s revelation absolutely bears mentioning. He made these comments about ashes on the eve of the release of the The Force Awakens DVD, and may have been trying to bolster Kylo Ren’s dark side bona fides with his comments. If the fandom’s response is any guide, he may have succeeded.
My last word on this: People have felt very free to express their disgust and revulsion about the ashes, and to take it as final, grotesque proof of the evil and irredeemable madness of Kylo Ren - But maybe someone should ask Adam Driver to talk to us about Achilles before we pass judgement. I would love to hear what he has to say.
Here’s an ancient thing I wrote. Does any of this hold up in the end?
Just gonna leave that here.
Clowns: we didn’t know what to do with Rey’s story so we made her related to someone ! Isn’t that way more interesting ! we just had no clue what story to write.
Fans Like Four Days After TLJ:
The consequences of having Ben tell Hux: “The girl killed Snoke.” Implying she did it alone, and is powerful enough to do such a thing. This sparks conflict and tension between Rey and the Resistance if they learned she worked with Ben, or if they expect her to be more powerful and carry the weight of impossible tasks.
The very drama of Rey having a Force bond to the guy whose working on, and leading the opposition. How do her friends feel ? Do people trust her still ? How is she hiding it ? Is she hiding it ? Is someone going to try and weaponize the bond ? How do you explain to your friends that their arch nemesis isn’t hunting them right now ? Even though apparently he can see and talk to her across great distances.
Rey grappling with her dark side and anger that rightfully comes from having lied to herself for years. Her wanting to ‘let the past all die’ but knowing that Ben’s philosophy is wrong even if it’s appealing.
Rey trying to read the Jedi texts on her own, not really understanding them, and working to realize she needs to create something new because the books aren’t what she needs. She wants to work with Ben, but she also can’t explain to her friends that their greatest nemesis could be her best hope of understanding herself further.
Rey realizing that she and Ben are the only ones strong enough to destroy the final conflict of the series, and that they have to do it together. But the Resistance and First Order dont understand and see both of them as threats.
Also what they did with Hux is just so dumb..he probably had evidence that it was actually Kylo who killed Snoke and he could have used that against Kylo so not only would that expose Kylo and cause the first order to turn against him but it would be be in line with Hux's goal to take over the first order himself..it makes no sense that Hux would want to become a spy for the resistance and have the entire first order lose the war like what?!?!
Hux blew up PLANETS. Hux killed BILLIONS. He was dedicated to the FO. Did he think he was gonna get away scott free either????? Like the Resistance was gonna be like ‘Thanks!’ and let him go???
It's like JJ decided to just....do as much as possible to carry on as though there was no episode eight? Like, he actively worked against the story that was established in Act two of a drama in three parts? I .... just don't understand the ego that would do that; to just dump carefully constructed plot, characters, and themes, and just...piss all over it. What kind of terrible storyteller does that?
#he spolied the ending and we weren’t listening
This actually makes me feel better. He tried to warn us. 😂
Adam Driver (Kylo Ren) Invites You to the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Premiere
Are you ready? Here are the 13 comic covers drawn by 13 international women that are inspired by the 13 female-led episodes of Season 2. #JessicaJonesReturns March 8.
Dear Rose Tico,
you have been awarded Medal For Bravery of the Ren Order for your extraordinary display of strength and courage. Further information about the award ceremony will be sent to you shortly.
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every day is a rose tico appretiation day
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A new hero will rise…
based off this post by @robespierrre
canon: they died
fanfic: fUCK YOU
Canon: and so they never met
Fanfic: here’s a funny story
Canon: There was tension and pining, but they never even kissed.
Fanfic: Actually,
Canon: Torture the cinnamon roll.
Fanfic: Torture the cinnamon roll.
Canon: When they traveled they stayed in separate rooms
Fanfic: AND. THERE. WAS. ONLY. ONE. BED!!!!!
Canon: … and they were roommates.
Fanfic: oh my god, they were roommates…
Canon: They were international assassins who assassinated assassins.
Fanfic: But hot DAMN wait till you hear about this cafe they opened
Canon: They had a coffeeshop
Fanfic: but they were ASSASSINS
Canon: they were mortal enemies and attempted to murder each other on multiple occasions
Fanfic: bUT THEY GOT MARRIED AND ADOPTED CHILDREN
Everytime I reblog this has a new addition and it’s the best
Canon: They were straight
Fanfic: Lol
THE LAST ONE IS THE BEST ONE
I love fanfic so so so much.
Canon: Am I joke to you?
Higher quality version (2048 x 857) of that new still from Empire Magazine earlier today. It’s been a while, huh? 😉
Headline: TROS promises more well developed nakedness
"you need a teacher" 😏
Soooo….
I might’ve snuck some video in the “Secrets of the Empire” pre-show before the dude came over and was all like, “No video!”
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REBELS, AFTER ALL.
Anyway, here’s some new Cassian footage. HE’S ALIVE!
PS: “Secrets of the Empire” is amazing and everyone should do it.