Wacky Avengers

Fan comics made for love not profit. LOVE, I SAY. 

[wackyavengers]

A big THANK YOU to everyone who marched! 

[wackyavengers]

Happy Birthday, Steve Rogers! 

[wackyavengers]

Grant Morrison on Jack Kirby’s The Fourth World, from Morrison’s book Supergods (a worthwhile read for any fan of comics):

“Kirby told us that humanity’s better nature would inevitably prevail. That was the story, and we all knew it deep in our hearts. Kindness and understanding could turn even a demon into a holy warrior, but an angel could never be broken to the Devil’s service and would always find ways to soar and to be free.”

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[wackyavengers]

Janet Van Dyne’s new team building exercise. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. But she keeps trying. 

[zarxenosa-deactivated20221216]

[wackyavengers]

Beautiful! 

[comic-commentary]

”There’s a lot of uproar online about how this storyline insults the legacies of Captain America’s Jewish creators, Jack Kirby and Joe Simon.”

“Look, everybody who’s working on this story loves Captain America. I know that it may not seem like it today. But this book is edited by Tom Brevoort, who has been protecting this character’s legacy for a very long time now. He’s not gonna let me do anything that he thinks is going to endanger that character’s legacy and how the character is perceived. It’s always difficult when you’re at this point in a story, because you don’t just wanna tell people, “Everything’s gonna work out great!” Because that certainly may not be the case here. But what I think I can say with confidence is that with this story, our intention and our hope is that in its own unique way, it reinforces what everybody already knows about Captain America, which is his power as a symbol and what that means. We are approaching it from a different angle, but I think it illuminates the character in a way that we’ve never seen before.”

–”Why I Turned Steve Rogers Into a Supervillain”

Wow I thought I couldn’t be more pissed off but ding dong I was wrong!

Nick Spencer sure as fuck doesn’t love Steve Rogers, or else he wouldn’t have turned him into a fucking Nazi ALL ALONG when he was written BY JEWISH MEN DURING WORLD WAR TWO AS SOMEONE WHO WAS WILLING TO STAND UP FOR HITLER’S VICTIMS. 

This! Literally! Changes! EVERYTHING! ABOUT! STEVE! ROGERS! EVERYTHING! NICK SPENCER DOES NOT LOVE STEVE–HE WROTE STEVE OUT OF EXISTENCE. 

Look, it wasn’t just a fucking comic to Jack Kirby and Joe Simon–it was a hero for the Jewish people when America had all but abandoned them to the Holocaust. It was something they received death threats for and still kept writing because it fucking mattered. And It isn’t just a fucking comic to fans today either–it’s a hero for those who are still dealing with the same bigotry and hatred and violence that Hitler spouted. None of this is over. Just look at the bullshit our politicians are spouting today–or hell, read why certain people are particularly devastated by this. Steve’s legacy is already very much in danger. 

But really, the most disgusting part to me is the last bolded sentence. To warp the original intentions of this character–a hero fighting against a real fucking threat who was responsible for the deaths of millions of people when so few were willing to stand up to him–into a villain fighting for that threat is inexcusable. It’s reducing him to a symbol that can be applied to anything. It’s reducing him to just another charismatic leader whom everyone trusts. Like, oh, I don’t know, Hitler? 

Nick Spencer seems to think he won because we’re all so upset (or “passionate”) and controversy sells.

Here’s what I suggest: Do not let him win. Do not buy this fucking comic–not the first issue, not the second, not the tenth. Do not support his work in any capacity. Cancel your subscriptions. Boycott whatever else you want to boycott associated with Marvel. Bring it up at Marvel panels. Tell Marvel that this is absolutely unacceptable. Contact Marvel and Disney directly (especially Disney). Remember that Marvel let this happen. It wasn’t just one writer–it was Marvel as a whole fucking up. 

“If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” Steve Rogers stood for the little guy, so he sure as hell wouldn’t fall for Nazi scumbags.

[captainwondyful]

#FireNickSpencer

[talkinthetardis-blog]

They know this has and will damage Steves rep but do you not think it’s just part of the story and there will be a plot twist ? Like there’s going to be a legitimate reason why they made him a Nazi either he’s trying to take them down for the inside or whatever but they wouldn’t just randomly make Cap a Nazi they know what it will do . There has to be some plot twist as to why . Plus think of all the people who’s job are being put in jeopardy ? They had no say in the matter . So why don’t we just stick it out and wait and see , the writers have ought to turn it around soon.!

[comic-commentary]

Well, the thing is, I don’t care if it’s a plot-twist. I really, really, really don’t. I don’t care if there’s a “legitimate” reason because no legitimate reason exists. There is no reason to turn a heroic icon created by two Jewish men during WW2 into a Nazi for shock value. None. Marvel knew this would devastate so many fans, many of them Jewish with relatives who died during WW2, and they decided it was worth it for the publicity. I find that abhorrent. 

I’m not going to wait and see. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this. The only people I want out of a job are Nick Spencer and Tom Brevoort, who are directly responsible for this bullshit.

[wackyavengers]

I agree. Even if the endgame were Steve finding out Red Skull used Cosmic Whatever to rewrite his history and Steve having to fix things himself, Marvel is lying to us about it being a real thing. If that were their intent, for it to be Steve fighting to restore his reality, they should say so to avoid the outrage they have received. The story would be “Steve’s enemies turned him into a Nazi because comics, but he’s going to fight back.” That’s not a spoiler, that’s covering one’s ass. Instead, they are trying to use anger to sell comics again, and this time in one of the more offensive ways they could. I for one am tired of it. 

[returnofthejudai]

And I suspect you know the Red Skull currently has the brain of the most powerful psychic ever and is always fucking around with Cosmic Cubes, and this is going to be undone. Shit, that doesn't even cover the possibility that he's _undercover._ There are so many ways this shit is totally manufactured. You cannot honestly take this at face value.

You know what really blows my mind? The fact that you assume that I don’t know this is temporary. Of course this garbage is temporary. This is the same pattern we saw with Superior Spider-Man complete with schmucky creator deliberately pissing fans off (Dan Slott that time, Nick Spencer this time).

But what I don’t appreciate is comic book creators who are trying to sell this as real for shock value and publicity. To quote Jessica Plummer, they are using the deaths of 11 million people, including the entirety of my grandparents’ families, as clickbait. And they’re being smug condescending assholes about it to anyone who’s upset or protests. 

If they wanted to calm this down they could’ve explained that it’s some kind of mind control and a short series out of the gate, but that would get in the way of their schmucky marketing technique in which they pretend “it’s really, really for real!” for as long as possible, during which time Neo-Nazis on twitter will taunt Jews with “Where’s your hero now” and “Captain America is one of us” and other garbage. 

Marvel right now seems to hire the biggest asshole trolls to write and edit their comics these days, coasting on gimmicks designed to piss off long time fans. This is their lowest low yet. It offends me on a profound and personal level that they would even peddle the illusion that they would seriously turn a character created by Jews to fight Nazis into what he was created to fight and they are doing so while treating us like morons. 

[wackyavengers]

I agree. Marvel has the tools to undo this any time they want. They are lying when they say it’s for real. And that is just another layer on this already incredibly offensive cake. They do not deserve our business.

[josh-lyman]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. First of all, it doesn’t matter that Steve’s beliefs are about what Hydra should be, where it should go, what it should focus on because a Nazi is a Nazi is a Nazi. Yes there were internal power struggles within the Nazi Party, but that doesn’t mean that ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET POWER WERE ANY BETTER THAN HITLER. So it doesn’t matter that Steve thinks that Hydra should be something else, because if Steve wanted to take Hydra ANYWHERE better than it was, he wouldn’t have thrown his teammate out of a plane and he would have joined SHIELD and stayed with SHIELD and ONLY SHIELD. 

Also, this isn’t The Man in the High Castle. Yes, I will admit it was a compelling story line, but The Man in the High Castle is a book with character who developed in a small span of time (i.e. 239 pages). The characters never developed after that. They’re characterization developed within those 239 pages and that was it. 

None of them were a beloved 75 year old character who has had 75 years of character development that apparently doesn’t even matter anymore. Also Phillip K. Dick (who wrote Man in the High Castle) wasn’t Jewish like Kirby and Simon were. Captain America meant something to Kirby and Simon, something that not a lot of us can understand because we never went through what they went through. 

They created Steve Rogers to be someone who stood up to those who were oppressing people who could not stand up for themselves. He was meant to be a symbol of hope, of love, of strength, and everything good in the world. Steve wasn’t meant to be a reflection of America as it was. Steve was and always has been what America should be. What it could be at its best. 

Nick Spencer is spitting on what Steve Rogers was supposed to be. He is completely ignoring 75 years of characterization and 75 years of Kirby and Simon’s legacy.

[wackyavengers]

I agree. I do not have faith that this will be a well-written story in the end. I do not want to read about Steve the Hydra Agent. 

[returnofthejudai]

What the HydraCap fiasco has proven to me is that, with a few exceptions, superhero comics these days are written by white goy dudebros for white goy dudebros who don’t quite understand that they have a bigger audience than that, whose emotional attachments to characters and stories might be based on something other than edgy moral ambiguity and violent splash panels. Some people read these stories for hope. 

[wackyavengers]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[wackyavengers]

A bit late, but this is for Jewish Comics Day! (June 1st)

Kitty Pryde pulls the best pranks, all agree.

[wackyavengers]

Am I the only person who doesn’t care about the tired, retreaded Civil War in any of its forms? (Asking for a friend. Or me. Or both.) 

[notahyper-specific]

I honestly hadn’t realized it before yesterday, but I’ve got some pretty strong feelings about Captain America

In a way I guess I should be glad this happened.  Before yesterday I considered myself a pretty big Cap fan, but I’d never really sat down and thought about how much the character and what he stands for actually mean to me, and how much of an influence he was on me and the way I look at the world.

I’ve been reading Captain America comics for damn near forty years at this point; one thing that’s been consistent in all that time is that Steve Rogers is one of the few superheroes who doesn’t have any kind of ulterior motive or tragic backstory behind why he’s a hero.  He doesn’t do what he does because he made a mistake that he’s trying to atone for.   He’s not doing it because he has incredible godlike powers and he feels like he’d be wasting them if he didn’t try to make a difference.  He doesn’t do what he does because he lost someone, and he’s fighting for their memory.  He does it because it’s the right thing to do and it needs to be done, and to him it truly is =that simple=.  That more than anything else is the core of his character, and retroactively inserting into his backstory that he’s always been a HYDRA agent is an utter betrayal of that concept.

Here’s is a very important thing about Steve Rogers, and about specifically Steve Rogers as Captain America; Steve Rogers is a white guy.  Steve is, by design, a capital letters White Guy.  He’s blond-haired, blue-eyed, six foot four, and he’s built like a brick shithouse ate a brick shithouse.  He is in every way the living embodiment of Hitler’s Aryan ideal.  Yet the first thing – the FIRST THING – we see this character do is punch Adolf Hitler right in the mouth.  It’s a direct subversion of the very idea of the “Aryan ideal”, an indisputably clear signal that screams “You’re wrong.  I am obviously part of what you call the “Master Race”, and I think you’re an asshole.”  That’s an extremely powerful statement.  It still is today and it was even moreso when Simon and Kirby made it, more than a year before the US actually entered the war.  But when this White Guy stands up and says he’s fighting for “America”, you =never= get the feeling that he’s excluding anyone.  Are you an Amercian?  Do you want to be an American?  Do you believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that all men AND WOMEN are created equal? Then it doesn’t matter who you are or where you were born or what color your skin is, Steve Rogers will fight to his last breath to keep you safe.

The whole point of the article I just posted a link to captures my feelings about the matter perfectly.  I KNOW this isn’t a permanent change.  I KNOW this is going to be undone.  That’s not the problem.  That’s not remotely what I or anybody else is upset about.    

I’m not upset about it because I think it’s permanent.  I’m upset about it because it happened at all.  I’m upset about it because Captain America is apparently in the hands of stewards who have such a poor understanding of who he is and what he means that they didn’t realize what a terrible idea this was.  It doesn’t matter how this story is resolved, how long it lasts, or how good it is.  The damage is done.  The very center of the character of Steve Rogers has been betrayed, and they can’t take that back.  I keep thinking about what Tom Brevoort said in that interview with Time – “There should be a feeling of horror or unsettledness at the idea that somebody like this can secretly be part of this organization. There are perfectly normal people in the world who you would interact with on a professional level or personal level, and they seem like the salt of the earth but then it turns out they have some horrible secret — whether it’s that they don’t like a certain group of people or have bodies buried in their basement.”  Well, yes. That’s a thing that’s happening a LOT these days.  And yes, there are a lot of people like that (way more than I’m comfortable with, honestly) in America.  But here’s the very simple thing you and Nick Spencer don’t seem to understand.

Steve Rogers isn’t one of those people.  Period.  He never has been and he never will be.  And you turning him into one of those people is shameful.

The point of Captain America isn’t to be a mirror for the not-so-great aspects (or any aspects) of America.  Captain America is supposed to show us what we can be, if we try hard enough; if we believe in the ideals this country was founded on, and we’re brave enough to fight for them.  Not just for rich people, not just for white people, not just for people who were lucky enough to be born here, but for everyone.  For anyone.  Yes it sounds corny and cheesy; no it’s not edgy, no it’s not “cool”.  It’s not supposed to be.  It’s supposed to be right.  

Captain America isn’t a reflection of what we are.  Captain America is a beacon, to light the way to what we know we can be.

[phdna]

Re:HYDRA!Cap and children

From both tumblr and real life I can tell you a little something that may be helpful if you know kids who are/will be upset by this whole HYDRA reveal thing

Just tell them that the man who is writing the comics now is HYDRA and wants to convince everybody Cap is evil. Some people believe him, but of course we know that’s not true and everything will go back to normal soon. Meanwhile, we should all be acting in a way that would make Cap proud, or we will be letting HYDRA win.

It’s a less than ideal solution, but it’s better than to let Marvel take away the hero and role model of so many children, so it’ll have to do

It does seem to be working with most kids

[eatyourbooks]

What the hell.

No! No, telling children certain people are evil for writing fiction is insidious and gross!

Tell the kids the truth: it’s a different Captain America, not the one in the movies.

What a terrible piece of advice. What a gross way to teach children how to deal with unpleasant news about their favorite characters.

[forest-of-stories]

Yes, what @eatyourbooks said.

I like her alternative way of explaining.  “There are a lot of different stories about Captain America and this is just one of them” could also work.

[phdna]

That’s a very good idea! I mean, I have basically zero contact with children – I was just passing forward what a friend of mine said to his son and what I’ve seen in many posts around tumblr. If anybody has any other ideas feel free to add them!

[readergirl1013]

Hi! I’ve worked with kids for years, and I’d strongly suggest people talk to kids not just about Captain America being a bad guy, but WHY he’s the bad guy. What choices he makes (i.e. joining Hydra, and the bad things Hydra does) that are bad and how he could make better choices. Talk to them and encourage them to think about what he does wrong in the story, and what he should have done instead. Get them to use their imaginations to write or draw or both (depending on age) a better ending for the story.

It’s great to tell kids that there are different stories about Captain America, but use this opportunity, this ‘teachable moment’ to teach kids right from wrong. To understand that bigotry is bad and not to betray our friends trust. Teach them that even good people can make bad choices, and make mistakes, and have a change of heart. Teach them that what they’re feeling is perfectly legitimate, and that maybe they should write letters or a journal or a new Captain America story or draw pictures of their Captain America to share those feelings, instead of getting rid of or destroying there Captain America stuff, as a good coping mechanism.

Kids understand more than people think. I’ve had in depth conversations on marriage equality with 5-year-olds. I’ve had deep conversations on doing the right thing, even when people say its wrong with 8-year-olds. Just last week I sat with 9 to 11-year-olds and discussed what being transgender means and the new Target bathrooms and why this was a good thing. Kids are smart, you just have to treat them like it.

[phdna]

God bless @readergirl1013

A+ advice

[blossomsinthemist]

Why not just talk to them about it as a story?  I agree that kids are smart, so much more than people sometimes think.  So yes, I agree, teach them that what they’re feeling is perfectly legitimate, and I think talking about the right and wrong of it–why it’s bad, why bigotry is bad, why betraying is bad–but also, if they’re upset, I think it’s a good idea to say something like “well, some stories aren’t necessarily as good or believable as other stories,” and ask them about other stories they’ve seen that didn’t seem as good or make as much sense as others.  Then ask them “based on what you know of Cap, does it make sense that he’d do this?”  And talk it out.  Just–get them to see it as a bad storytelling decision, which is something that happens sometimes, and that if they reject this as just a bad story that doesn’t fit or make sense, well, their Cap can still be there for them.  I think most kids would be able to get onboard with that.  Especially if as the parent you still love Cap yourself, I think that’d help cut down on cognitive dissonance for the kid, too.  So yes, the different stories thing, but expanding on that, by explaining how maybe you don’t think it’s a very good story, either.

I’m not an expert, and I don’t have a whole lot of contact with kids, but that was my thought.

[wackyavengers]

I agree. Tell them it’s a publicity stunt, a bad story, and that lots of people are mad. Marvel cannot retcon Cap’s legacy in the real world.

[betterbemeta]

also i dont buy the weak excuse like how cap is supposedly a highly “symbolic character” or “symbolic of the american people” and the resurgence of facism in the USA is pushed onto him. All because he wears USA flag pajamas or whatever.

Cap has never been a symbolic character for America.

Cap has been symbolic of what America should try to be.

He was created to punch hitler when punching hitler was unpopular. He was created to shame the USA’s hesitance to fight fascism. The USA has always been home to white supremecists and antisemites in positions of power and respectability. Cap wasn’t symbolic of those people then. He didn’t represent the Henry Fords of the time. He didn’t even represent Roosevelt. He represented an ideal that those people were letting down every day.

If neo-nazis and fascists are on the rise in America, Cap should be fighting them. Not becoming one.

[captainwondyful]

Daredevil #233 (1986)

[betterbemeta]

I wasn’t gonna post about the ugly drama-bait captain america twist/reveal thing because it essentially is doing Marvel’s marketing for them. But then I got real.

I want every person to know. This kind of bullshit is not new. Horrible (usually white, but not always) non-jewish people have been doing this “what if the jews were the real nazis all along” thing since forever. And that applies to material made by jewish people, material with coded jewish presence, etc. Even material that these icky goyim themselves have made. They love sprinkling jewish traits because they are a curiosity or are in their imagination as the ‘other’ into their fictional fascist or totalitarian societies. They love fantasizing that we really control the world Illuminati style through deep conspiracy or whatever. They love framing people in diaspora as threatening somehow and the quickest way to frame something as the enemy even decades later is to use a supposed “nazi template.” (meanwhile, all real nazis and other fascists have to do is not fit that template to fly under the radar, and they’re rapidly gaining power again all over the world. If they ever really lost it in a total sense.)

There are people in this world who think this is a real conspiracy theory. That jewish people were responsible for the holocaust upon their own people and others. That jewish people profit from this genocide and profit from antisemitism. That the media they make has to be neutralized because it’s an attempt to indoctrinate the world into… something I guess. If Captain America is a tool of indoctrination I can only imagine our agenda is something like “truth, justice, stand up for freedoms, fight to protect others, be a better american than actual america, yadda yadda punch a nazi today.”

While i’m not an expert on the various comicverse events, tbh even the kinda controversial civil war event was more acceptable than this. Because it makes sense to put Steve Rogers against any sort of authoritarian registration of citizens act. Because jewish people weren’t made to wear those identifying gold stars because nazi germany had their best interests in mind. And we can even connect all this to the vile ideology and rhetoric in the USA that today is calling for muslim peoples to be ‘registered’– and jewish people are ringing every warning bell and waving every red flag at that idea. It makes sense for a jewish creation to take that same perspective in a fictional world.

But this treatment is not new. It’s unimaginative, its disappointing, its unwittingly echoing the scummiest people possible in what they think about jewish peoples and their media. It’s not unprecedented or a shocking twist. It’s yet another betrayal and sigh and “ha, you thought!” to people who have a real reason to care about this character in particular. As if their outrage is buzz and they don’t really exist and its only detached white goyim reading now so-shocked. It’s yet another expression that goyim think everything is about them and what they superficially find to be fascinating. And like, I guess that includes nazis. No matter the political opinions of the writer here, we have to talk about who is really served by this ‘twist.’ I really don’t have to elaborate on what kind of people are fascinated by nazis and want to explore the mindset of a nazi. Or want to include more nazis, or secret nazis, or make a character we were previously sympathetic to a nazi. Whether it’s for five issues or five minutes, through some kind of bullshit contrivance like an alternate universe, interference from aliens, a body snatcher, mind control. what the fuck ever. I don’t care how many articles people write telling us to keep calm or talking assuring us the creator’s not a nazi sympathizer. I just know that it’s more difficult to dig yourself out of an intellectual grave than into one.

[wackyavengers]

Well said. Unimaginative, disappointing, and manipulative. Very manipulative. 

[aimmyarrowshigh]

[timetravelingvampire-deactivate]

I don’t want to pull for the lesser of two evils. I want to pull for the good.

[rineechan]

So basically you openly admit that you were jack shit out of ideas and looked around for what you could copy??

(Point the first)

(Point the second)

I grew up in both Germany and Japan. I’ve read and studied the original source material. Wanna know what the power struggles inside the fascist camps were about? - The differences in desired personal gain.

One group was so frothing-at-the-mouth obsessed with annihilating those they deemed undesirable, they were willing to sacrifice everyone’s future to that goal. (And before you get too comfortable in your chair with notions like “well, yeah, bad for the jews but that wouldn’t touch me” - “undesirables” were jews, people with dark skin (and not just people of middle eastern or african descent; you got Spanish or Greek or Italian roots? Better start watching your back), people with political opinions, people with differing tastes in art or music or literature, people with chronic diseases (asthma? Here is your ticket for deportation, not to mention severe obesity), people of differing sexual orientations and people with disorderly crimes against their name (ever started shit on a friday night? Ever lifted something from a shop? Ever “optimised” an application or insurance information? That shit would get you to Dachau faster than you think. And in case you are still thinking “well, that STILL doesn’t mean me!” Congratulations. You are a different birth date away from having joined the Wehrmacht or SS.)

The other group was aiming for absolutely entrenching themselves in power. They were willing to wait on the gas chambers and the mass executions if it helped them win the war and annihilate the foreign threats to their power. After that, the bets were off.

So basically, Mr. Spencer, by saying you want to explore the power struggles within the fascist parties using Steve, you are basically saying: “Steve Rogers is either an inhuman sadist or a power hungry megalomaniac. Who is interested in finding out which?”

The answer is: no one. Because we loved and remember Steve for saying “I want to protect people” and “I don’t want to hurt anyone”.

I will honour Steve Rogers. And I wish you had done your little thought experiment by picking up a history book, instead of involving him.

[blossomsinthemist]

laexploradoraaa

replied to your post“Also, there’s a slippery slope thing going on here I don’t like to see…”

That last sentence hits the nail on the head. I love these characters for the heroes they are: for their triumphs & trials, for their strengths & flaws, & having it thrown back in my face undermines the whole thing. I like seeing them struggle but come through anew. This, this is just totally different. I don’t want read about a womanizing alcoholic who thinks he’s better than the rest – I have no empathy for a man like that. Likewise with Steve. It’s just ugh.

Yeah, SERIOUSLY.  That’s the thing, it IS throwing it back in our faces, and it does undermine the whole thing.  It makes me feel like they’re just stringing me along so they can upset me.  And on top of that, as you say, I just flat DON’T WANT TO READ ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS, and they’re acting like they can TRICK me into doing it by making characters I was already invested in, already cared about, into people like this, and I’ll still read it, because of my investment.

It feels so nasty.  It feels so mean-spirited.  And it feels, honestly, like.  I don’t mean to make light of this, or to cheapen what an abusive relationship is in terms of intimate relationships, but it feels like it means they think their relationship with their fans should be, in essence, abusive, and if you’re not willing to put up with that, you’re just not “real fan” enough.  The way they talk about their fans is tinged with violence and derision, and then they say anyone upset just isn’t “a real fan” and doesn’t really read their comics.

And like?  Oh my God, nope.  Like, I really think if they weren’t okay with HURTING people to get a reaction, they would never have crossed this line.  I’m not even sure they REALIZE what line they crossed because this feels like business as usual to them, or it did when they made the decision.

And wow is that fucked up.

[wackyavengers]

If I may chime in, I agree. I’ve been waiting since 2012 to read a GOOD Captain America/Steve Rogers comic and a GOOD Avengers comic with Steve, Tony, Jan, Carol, and other favs. (I liked the Avengers Assemble comic, but Marvel has always had a bad habit of canceling comics that aren’t selling super well.)

All I got was constant, meaningless events, backstabbing, and a disregard for the struggle the characters had already faced. I didn’t like these versions of the characters, so I waited for new writers and new arcs. What kind of business plan is it to have readers wait until the product is something they like? 

And now, this. I have no faith this story will be told well, with Steve fighting to regain his own will and beliefs. You have Marvel telling blatant lies that Steve was always this way, when that is impossible. I consider myself a real fan of Steve Rogers, as well as a real fan of comics as a medium. It seems to me Marvel is not a real fan of either one. 

Thanks for letting me know I’m not alone in feeling this way.