Okay so like. Imagine somebody you love gets a brain slug. Like from movies. Like this little queen here on Philip's head:
Their entire personality is just gone. It's brain slug time now. The brain slug, through their mouth, keeps telling you that your friend put the brain slug on voluntarily, referring to your friend in the past tense, and going on about how much they loooove having a brain slug.
You're naturally suspicious, right? You're likely to point out that the brain slug is jacked right on in to the wiring of your friend, and can make them totally Gucci with whatever, including having a brain slug.
So you're like "if my friend is so happy with the brain slug, can you do me a favor? Take off the brain slug and let me hear it from HIM" and of course the brain slug is like "I don't need to, I can see his thoughts and he's cool with it. He wants me to be here."
Your friend is also a gay guy, let's say. Absolute queen of the queens. But there's a straight woman who thinks he's hot, and with the brain slug, your friend's body walks over and fucks her with a smile on his face. You're like "that's not a decision my friend would EVER make!! He would NEVER be okay with that!" and the brain slug, through his mouth, is like "oh it's fine, I opened up the settings in his brain and I made him Bisexual instead of gay, and set it so now that woman is the most attractive person in the world to him. He's totally into it!"
You object to this, obviously! You ask if there's any way to free your friend from the slug. The slug is like "why would he want to be free of me? he's having the time of his life, as long as I keep manually changing his preferences so whatever he's doing is his favorite thing in the world!" and you're like "because he's not him anymore! You killed my friend and you're puppeting around his corpse! Get off of him!" and the brain slug is like "if you want, I can try and get you a brain slug too and then you'll LOVE what's happening to your friend!" and you tell it to fuck off, obviously, you don't want to LIKE this, you want it to stop happening, and the brain slug acts all hurt like "I'm sorry but I'm getting some toxic vibes off you... why do you want me to literally DIE? You give me a hard time for turning your friend into somebody he's not, but when you think about it, aren't YOU doing the same thing to ME?"
anyway that's why I can't vibe with the people trying to sympathize with the hive mind on Pluribus or talk about how upsetting Carol's outbursts must be for it. Frankly it does not matter if there even is some Sinister Ulterior Motive. The hivemind is inherently evil even if it's hiding nothing and everything it says is 100% true.
Anyway look at this sticker my phone suggested to me while I was typing this post:
I don’t read the Pluribus tags so pardon if this is a specific response to posting in there but I think you’re ignoring a lot of important context when thinking about the hivemind
The hivemind comes from a genre starting in the fear of communism and loss of identity, it’s the straw-man argument against working for the good of the many at the cost of the few, literal like “if we do this you are worse than dead, and there is nothing left of you”
I don’t think that philosophical viewpoint (needs of the many over needs of the few and strict utilitarianism) is for everyone, and it holds a lot of nuance, but I think your post ignores that Pluribus is trying to subvert of genre that historically has said “yes hiveminds are evil and you should be scared of them because communism is evil and you should be scared of it”
I take specific issue with you saying “The hivemind is inherently evil even if it's hiding nothing and everything it says is 100% true.” And still comparing the hivemind to a parasite
If we take the hivemind as genuine, not lying, ***there is no controller***, it only gave humanity the ability to completely and 100% connect
I think a more apt comparison would be, you fall into a coma, and you wake up in an age of complete and total social change towards a 100% devotion to socialism
And your buddy, who used to be, idk a politician, is doing landscaping and yard work now, it’s not because there is one controller over them all, but because he made an agreement that 1. He is able and willing to do that work and 2. That’s where he is needed at that moment for the betterment of the many
I don’t think the hivemind is the antagonist in the show, and if the show does go the route of hivemind evil, I honestly think that would be a neoliberal cop out of any emotional and critical depth that we could’ve had
The hivemind functions as a sounding board for Carol’s grief narratively, literally over Helen, but metaphorically about societal change, and being left behind
Saying that if the hivemind is 100% genuine and hiding nothing it’s still evil, is just saying the entirety of humanity is evil
If it’s telling the truth there is no active voice parasite, it’s that communication between people has been perfected, there is instant transfer of thought and there is no crossed wires or miscommunication, there is no misinterpretation because suddenly you have been able to see every living human action as if you are the perpetrator and the person it is being done to
You are the counselors at the conversion camp who have abused children, but you are also every abused child, you are the conservative politician, but you are also every immigrant field worker who left them home to work in unfair conditions for a chance of a better life
It is the complete removal of barriers
I don’t think this is a story about communism bad, hivemind bad, and I think saying that it’s 100% evil even if it’s telling the truth is misguided and you’re not understanding what the hivemind even is
(I think there is a lot to think about for the women whose bodies are now having sex with the unincorporated, but I think you can argue that like the politicians doing landscaping and home repair, they have found someone 1. Who is able and willing to do the work, because sex work is still work in a post money society and 2. They’ve agreed this is what’s best for the many (which seems to be an agreement treating the unincorporated humans to anything they wish) )
























