I’m prompting this question as someone who loves/adores Pike, Veth, and Scanlan.
Who gave their child the worst canonical name?
Wilhand’ildan Trickfoot-Shorthalt aka Wax
Bren Brenatto aka Bren-Bren
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I’m prompting this question as someone who loves/adores Pike, Veth, and Scanlan.
Who gave their child the worst canonical name?
Wilhand’ildan Trickfoot-Shorthalt aka Wax
Bren Brenatto aka Bren-Bren
In the wake of Darktow I am once again thinking about the Dwendalian family, specifically with respect to Caleb. Rather than actually breaking free from Volstrucker conditioning, which frames family as an effectively Volstrucker-Empire concept, Caleb tries to reenact an idealized version of the family through the Brenattos. This leads to him being upset and uneasy whenever that structure is threatened - especially by his own potential inclusion and Veth’s attempts to not be defined solely in the “mother” role. The rhetoric of the Volstrucker - and of Ikithon - is based around the Dwendalian nuclear family as the correct and integral unit of society, phrased most clearly by Astrid in c2e89:
But I also know the reason that we get to sleep, every night, in a comfortable inn bed, or in a manor, as do the many families and children just like we were, just like the families we once had that don't have to make the choices we did. They still get to live, happily and comfortably, because the few, the chosen few, made the hard choice, and do what few have the will to do.
The nuclear family is framed as the natural unit of society: mother, father, their children.* The Volstrucker, in order to become Volstrucker, must cut themselves out of their family units (quite literally) and become the "chosen few," forever isolated from those structures in order to protect them; and they do so specifically to protect and reify those structures.
They do it in order to serve Civil Influence - and we know that the role of Civil Influence is to stabilize Dwendalian society, keep down rebellion, and protect the Crown and Assembly from populist uprisings. They kill traitors, but they also enact this through the rhetoric of the nuclear family. "Do you have the strength to protect your homes? Your families? Your country?" (See Caleb's Origins comic.) Ikithon frames the Volstrucker as a barrier between "civilization and chaos" in the same breath that he invokes the family as the base unit of that civilization. It is their will that preserves the country through preserving the family: even as they destroy their own to better serve. They don't have their own nuclear families anymore, so they spend the rest of their lives enforcing that structure on the people of the Empire.
Their function is to reinforce the very unit that they are forbidden access to. It positions Volstrucker as individually worthless (because they cannot participate) but societally necessary for the continuation of the Empire - in its base unit formed around the nuclear family. The family is the Empire, in microcosm. And yes, Caleb leaves, helps tear Ikithon down. But he never gets rid of that construct of society and of his role in it in his head. He's done something - he's part of a (damned) chosen few - who can and will never be able to participate in society because it is structured around family; and, having murdered his own, he acts as though he is obligated to protect the nuclear families of others. Specifically? Veth Brenatto's. I'm eliding a lot here. There's great meta on the topic. Suffice to say, Caleb is obviously and repeatedly torn between wanting Veth to stay with him and protecting her nuclear family of her, Yeza, and Luc throughout the campaign and post-campaign. Liam has said this is at least in part due to seeing Luc as like a younger Caleb/Bren ("that's me, that's a little boy in the Empire" - Talks Machina 157); he acts as though, by keeping Luc's family together, he can rehabilitate his own relationship with his broken, dead family. So we come to the Brenattos in Darktow - and specifically, his automatic rejection of Veth including him as a parent, even jokingly, when speaking about her new son Bren-Bren. She jokes that he's like a first time parent, and then amends to STEP-parent. It's Caleb who cuts her off and offers godfather in exchange. A stepparent is a parent - having one would mean Bren-Bren has three parents, who are at the time of writing living together and sharing full-time care for a child. A godfather is a trusted outsider to the family unit - and the person a child would go to, if their parents were both to die.
Caleb rejects the label that would imply any kind of aberrant nuclear family structure: no additional parents, no marrying in, no significance beyond "teacher" or "godfather." Even if he is acting as a parent, he cannot be one - in the same way that, despite his clear desire to remain with Veth, he gives up and resolves to content himself with the "memory of being partners at a certain time of [his] life." (Beau, c2e68). But he also won't leave! He can't detach himself from the family, but he also can't allow himself to be a part of it. It remains incredibly significant to him, while being forever and definitionally beyond his reach - because to accept that label would mean both integration into a fold he believes he has lost the right to access, AND it would destroy the image of Veth's nuclear family (mama, papa, son, baby. No wizard; no third parent; no Volstrucker).** Even when she's the one who offers.
He also panics over the idea that Veth might disrupt the structure of her family herself. Veth struggles with this herself - her persistent desire to adventure, steal, and otherwise cause chaos is strongly at odds with the obligation she feels to her family.*** In the Darktow show, when she expresses a desire to adventure, he asks if she's sure, because "a boy needs his mother - Bren-Bren needs his mother in his life." He wants Veth with him; but he can't stop objecting to her joining him because of the danger it would put her in, and thus specifically her child at risk of growing up without her. The perceived risk is of the disruption of the family that he actively cares for and tries to protect just as much as it is to Veth's own life. Caleb regards her as a dear friend and a life partner, and respects her choices - but he also can't quite shake that her role in the nuclear family is "mother," and his own complicated beliefs tied up in that.
And to add to all that, Veth named the kid after the version of Caleb he believes in as an innocent child. Surely that won’t cause any more problems.
tl:dr: Caleb defines himself out of nuclear family structures (specifically: the Brenattos') while simultaneously holding them up as both meaningful and idealized due to the indoctrination around "family" he received as a youth equating it to the basic unit of societal good. Rather than break the conditioning, his guilt causes him to try and re-enact a "healthy" version of a structure that does not benefit the people who live within it.
the flippant version of this post was: caleb, seeing a talented young boy at the center of a Dwendalian nuclear family: ah. easy. this one, I will just not set on fire :)
like it is just so fascinating how much caleb cares about veth's family, making sure it remains safe and whole, ("keeping families together" as he told her during the campaign), but he is also completely incapable of walking away from her to the point that he almost bullishly insinuates himself into her family even when he could never admit to himself that his actions interfere with the family he idolizes and attempts to maintain at all costs! makes me crazy!
veth's journey is so much about discovering who she is outside of the small town world she grew up in, where the most important things she could be were a wife and a mother, finding freedom in breaking out of those titles and becoming something truer to herself, but caleb can and does pigeonhole her into those roles himself, even when he doesn't mean to, even when he wishes they could go back to the days when he didn't have to feel guilty for ripping her away from her family, because of HIS hangups about what family is and how you should protect it. makes me crazy!!
Maybe even more damning for their relationship, he sees and treats Veth and Nott as two different people who he necessarily has two different relationships with. Nott is his best friend and his life partner and when she says they're together he doesn't object. They sleep together on the road and have cons between the two of them to run. She's sharp and mean and addictive and he loves her for it! Then he learns she has a son. And Veth is a mother and a wife and yes, very talented, and yes, very beautiful, but she isn't any of the things Nott is to him. He gets her back to being Veth because she wants it and then he has no idea who he is to Veth anymore. Which is a really fucked-up (and yet incredibly in-character!) distinction for him to make, when her entire narrative is learning that those two people aren't different after all. She goes back to her body and she's still Nott, even when she's Veth too, and Caleb can't quite seem to see both of them at once! Instead, he switches between seeing her as his partner in crime, and as Veth from Felderwin - even as she's trying to deal with the fact that being Veth again doesn't mean she stopped wanting the things she wanted as Nott.
In the wake of Darktow I am once again thinking about the Dwendalian family, specifically with respect to Caleb. Rather than actually breaking free from Volstrucker conditioning, which frames family as an effectively Volstrucker-Empire concept, Caleb tries to reenact an idealized version of the family through the Brenattos. This leads to him being upset and uneasy whenever that structure is threatened - especially by his own potential inclusion and Veth’s attempts to not be defined solely in the “mother” role. The rhetoric of the Volstrucker - and of Ikithon - is based around the Dwendalian nuclear family as the correct and integral unit of society, phrased most clearly by Astrid in c2e89:
But I also know the reason that we get to sleep, every night, in a comfortable inn bed, or in a manor, as do the many families and children just like we were, just like the families we once had that don't have to make the choices we did. They still get to live, happily and comfortably, because the few, the chosen few, made the hard choice, and do what few have the will to do.
The nuclear family is framed as the natural unit of society: mother, father, their children.* The Volstrucker, in order to become Volstrucker, must cut themselves out of their family units (quite literally) and become the "chosen few," forever isolated from those structures in order to protect them; and they do so specifically to protect and reify those structures.
They do it in order to serve Civil Influence - and we know that the role of Civil Influence is to stabilize Dwendalian society, keep down rebellion, and protect the Crown and Assembly from populist uprisings. They kill traitors, but they also enact this through the rhetoric of the nuclear family. "Do you have the strength to protect your homes? Your families? Your country?" (See Caleb's Origins comic.) Ikithon frames the Volstrucker as a barrier between "civilization and chaos" in the same breath that he invokes the family as the base unit of that civilization. It is their will that preserves the country through preserving the family: even as they destroy their own to better serve. They don't have their own nuclear families anymore, so they spend the rest of their lives enforcing that structure on the people of the Empire.
Their function is to reinforce the very unit that they are forbidden access to. It positions Volstrucker as individually worthless (because they cannot participate) but societally necessary for the continuation of the Empire - in its base unit formed around the nuclear family. The family is the Empire, in microcosm. And yes, Caleb leaves, helps tear Ikithon down. But he never gets rid of that construct of society and of his role in it in his head. He's done something - he's part of a (damned) chosen few - who can and will never be able to participate in society because it is structured around family; and, having murdered his own, he acts as though he is obligated to protect the nuclear families of others. Specifically? Veth Brenatto's. I'm eliding a lot here. There's great meta on the topic. Suffice to say, Caleb is obviously and repeatedly torn between wanting Veth to stay with him and protecting her nuclear family of her, Yeza, and Luc throughout the campaign and post-campaign. Liam has said this is at least in part due to seeing Luc as like a younger Caleb/Bren ("that's me, that's a little boy in the Empire" - Talks Machina 157); he acts as though, by keeping Luc's family together, he can rehabilitate his own relationship with his broken, dead family. So we come to the Brenattos in Darktow - and specifically, his automatic rejection of Veth including him as a parent, even jokingly, when speaking about her new son Bren-Bren. She jokes that he's like a first time parent, and then amends to STEP-parent. It's Caleb who cuts her off and offers godfather in exchange. A stepparent is a parent - having one would mean Bren-Bren has three parents, who are at the time of writing living together and sharing full-time care for a child. A godfather is a trusted outsider to the family unit - and the person a child would go to, if their parents were both to die.
Caleb rejects the label that would imply any kind of aberrant nuclear family structure: no additional parents, no marrying in, no significance beyond "teacher" or "godfather." Even if he is acting as a parent, he cannot be one - in the same way that, despite his clear desire to remain with Veth, he gives up and resolves to content himself with the "memory of being partners at a certain time of [his] life." (Beau, c2e68). But he also won't leave! He can't detach himself from the family, but he also can't allow himself to be a part of it. It remains incredibly significant to him, while being forever and definitionally beyond his reach - because to accept that label would mean both integration into a fold he believes he has lost the right to access, AND it would destroy the image of Veth's nuclear family (mama, papa, son, baby. No wizard; no third parent; no Volstrucker).** Even when she's the one who offers.
He also panics over the idea that Veth might disrupt the structure of her family herself. Veth struggles with this herself - her persistent desire to adventure, steal, and otherwise cause chaos is strongly at odds with the obligation she feels to her family.*** In the Darktow show, when she expresses a desire to adventure, he asks if she's sure, because "a boy needs his mother - Bren-Bren needs his mother in his life." He wants Veth with him; but he can't stop objecting to her joining him because of the danger it would put her in, and thus specifically her child at risk of growing up without her. The perceived risk is of the disruption of the family that he actively cares for and tries to protect just as much as it is to Veth's own life. Caleb regards her as a dear friend and a life partner, and respects her choices - but he also can't quite shake that her role in the nuclear family is "mother," and his own complicated beliefs tied up in that.
And to add to all that, Veth named the kid after the version of Caleb he believes in as an innocent child. Surely that won’t cause any more problems.
tl:dr: Caleb defines himself out of nuclear family structures (specifically: the Brenattos') while simultaneously holding them up as both meaningful and idealized due to the indoctrination around "family" he received as a youth equating it to the basic unit of societal good. Rather than break the conditioning, his guilt causes him to try and re-enact a "healthy" version of a structure that does not benefit the people who live within it.
oh, he sings? he's a very hot, very clever salt-and-peppered middle-aged man who plays the lute, loves theatre, uses his art to speak truth to power, puts his family above all else, and he sings?
was he made in a lab according to my interests? did liam o'brien make him to attack me, personally?
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The Mighty Nein: Adventures on the High Seas fan trailer is finally out!! I’m so proud of my friends for this. So much love and hard work and it looks amazing! If the CR team sees it it would be a dream. Give it a look and let them know your thoughts!
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shout-out to characters who let their childhood friend situationship dictate the course of their life to a degree that spits in the face of any and all reason. they're doing important work.
Something I've observed when it comes to shipping is that I find I'm not a fan of ships where the lion's share of all fan meta, gifs, and theorizing center around only one half of the ship, Character A.
Character B's attraction to the other is just sort of 'assumed' and almost hand-waved away as being inevitable.
This is, despite the fact, that Character B has expressed overt attraction and/or feelings for a Character C in canon, and so the ship would actually benefit from exploring why they would choose A over C.
It's especially egregious when Character B has very complicated feelings or even actively dislikes character A.
This often happens when A is blorbo-bait, and so the shippers don't really have much to say about B at all outside of fawning love interest and just sort of using them as a prop for A's attractions.
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Thimble has the urge to hug him. It’s not the first time, but—she runs her hands over her tapestry armor, the beautiful woven plates. It might be the first time she can do anything about it.
After escaping Obrimus Manor, there's still so much to do. But there's time to be taken to find comfort in a friend.
recently I have been painting bullshit from my camera reel #yahoo #yippee #hooray
i don't talk about this enough because whatever but a crucial part of the brenstrid of it all To Me is having to leave your high school boyfriend in the grave even though the two of you were going to climb to the top together and even though he was always better than you and even though it wasn't his fault and even though you love him and you made each other and you don't understand the future without him. but the fact of the matter is that he would have to climb out of the grave himself and he cannot do that so you have to leave him there. but you make it a shallow grave. just in case. it's whateverrrr
ASTRIIIIIIID. FOR THE ASK GAME. OF COURSE
favorite thing about them
impossible to pick. I love how twisted her perspective is and how she believes everything she does is necessary. I love how she's in the periphery of the narrative like the horror story Scourgers are supposed to be. I love how she also, finally, gets her own moment to break (and break free). I love that she's all sharp edges and anger and determination. She has ten minutes of screen time and as much depth as several PCs. My Archmage of Civil Influence.
least favorite thing about them
I'm not a fan of the fact that she's apparently in hiding/fleeing during c3? You're telling me the Empire is in the middle of the apocalypse and the Archmage of Civil Influence doesn't go down with the ship? I don't think Astrid would ever give that up - I think she'd die, first.
favorite line
Race you to the top. if we count insight checks, that might get beaten by "I'm sorry you suffered, as we've suffered, as many people have suffered for ever and ever." She is NOT breaking the cycle!
brOTP
I think in canon Veth would not like Astrid very much at all. However I think they should bond over being not-pretty, not-good-enough, always-someone's-second women from small towns, who have both ended up in (complicated, miserable) love with Caleb. The only difference are the ways each of them got out. I think they should get REALLY drunk about it and maybe cause major property damage.
OTP
it's gotta be blumendrei, HEAVY emphasis on the brenstrid. Astrid can (and should!) do some wild powergames yuri with most of the women of exandria, but - there's something incredibly compelling about the fact that her entire life is lived around the specter of Bren. she's not like Bren. she can't let herself be like Bren. she has to be better than Bren. she can't let go of him, either.
nOTP
this really assumes that people are shipping astrid in ways i DON'T like. uh, i guess i think that there's no textual evidence that Trent Ikithon, despite being a creep and a monster, would make his students practice seduction on himself? but that's not even shipping, really. he just has the other trainees for that.
random headcanon
Astrid has incredibly fucked up/lost sensation beneath her burn scars, and either lost (and had restored) or struggles with low vision in her scarred eye. Even healed deep scars don't regain sensation quite right, and I think it's fun if she's a little ruined from the ways Bren touched her: even if he came back, she would never feel the same way again.
unpopular opinion
idk if this is an unpopular opinion, exactly, but I think Astrid is a good Archmage of Civil Influence. I think she does propaganda for the Empire, and I think she keeps the Volstrucker program around in some form. yeah, she works with Caleb and Beau, and yeah, she's not making kids kill their parents to pass their classes. but - she fought to get there, and even if she wants change she still believes it was necessary. I don't think her breakdown after collaring Ikithon changes that. She always hated him: she was always, canonically, waiting for him to die so she could take his place. she just didn't expect a trial.
song i associate with them
Brutus by the Buttress is the Astrid song of all time.
favorite picture of them
see, now that we have astrid content, i can't even joke about image not found. i am however bad at finding images, so suffice to say I'm a big fan of the shot in M9A where she has Caleb pinned to the ground and threatens his life.
women in male fields (Pike getting all of Scanlan's plot the same way they keep giving Vax Keyleth's)