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I have a tendency to lump together all the different myths about a single character, and with Achilles, there are just so many stories about him SAing with random ppl—almost Zeus-level. I keep finding more and more of them while trying to organize everything. Man, plz stop... But surprisingly, I like Achilles and Neoptolemus. There aren’t really any characters I dislike in the Iliad. I don’t even particularly dislike Agamemnon. The more I explore him, the more intriguing he gets. I also really like Sophocles’ version of Odysseus, so I interpret his character as someone who is kind to those around him but also cunning and sometimes cruel. I especially loved the way Odysseus was portrayed in Philoctetes. For me, Hector is moral but somewhat stubborn and old-fashioned, Achilles is a fierce and reckless savage, and Odysseus is a multifaceted character who will do anything to reach his objectives.

5duckie

In Little Iliad, after the fall of Troy, Andromache hides Astyanax near Hector’s tomb, but the child is eventually discovered by the Greeks. It is Odysseus who strongly insists that Astyanax must be killed, while Menelaus argues against it, saying the child is still too young to die. In the end, Odysseus uses his cunning tongue to persuade everyone that the boy must die. He then orders Neoptolemus to throw Astyanax from the city walls, killing him. In the Epic: musical, Odysseus is portrayed as reluctantly killing the infant under Zeus’s command, but in the myth, Odysseus strongly advocated for Astyanax’s death even before any prophecy was given.

In Euripides' The Trojan Women the herald Talthybius reveals to Andromache that Odysseus has convinced the council to have the child thrown from the walls, and the child is in this way killed.

Another version is given in Iliou persis, in which Odysseus kills Astyanax with his own bare hands.

Honestly, I don’t understand why people claim that Odysseus felt guilty about Astyanax. At least in the sources I’ve read, there’s never been any indication of that. Ody really wanted to kill Astyanax more than anyone else in the entire myths.

«Andromache imploring Ulysses (Odysseus) to spare the life of her son.» -George Dawe; artist; 1810-

firinnie

If Odysseus was portrayed in the epic as he is in the myths, I think he would not be as well-liked. Tho in the Iliad he will do anything to get his way, no matter at whose expense.

katerinaaqu

I'm sorry but what fragment of Little Iliad are you quoting again? Because the fragment number 14 as rescued by a scholiast of Lycophron goes

It states that Neoptolemus violently snatches Astyanax from the bosom of his nurse and throws him off the walls of Troy. What part of "Little Ilias" are you quoting?

The part where Odysseus was the one conspiring to murder Atyanax comes from the lips of Talthybius in the tragedy by Euripides "Trojan Women"

For Iliou Persis we have only one phrase as to how Odysseus kills Astyanax. No mention to any emotion whatsoever. So the context is lost.

As to whether he felt bad it is stated in Homer when he cries when he hears on Troy out of guilt. We can imagine Odysseus playing an active role to the whole thing without making him a psychopath that felt nothing when clearly Homer states is not the case. Mind you even others didn't

Did he know the kid would have to die? Absolutely. He is a warrior and the kid was the heir to the Throne. There was no way he could live. But Odysseus had no personal reason to wish the baby dead. He doesn't throw children off towers for pleasure. The essence of the violence of the crime is not excluding remorse (and no I do not care for the musical or any othe retelling portrayal. I just want to be clear on the sources or on the fact that Odysseus was not supposed to be some sort of amoral psychopath)

pastellus

Just about anyone's name could have been in Odysseus' place when making this choice, because this was a rushed decision by a council on what was was sensible to do. It's likely that writers like Euripides made it be him who convinced the assembly or council because he was the hero that was seen as most wise and who would have thought of the long lasting consequences of allowing Astyanax to live: a hero's son, raised among the people who killed his father, would grow up to seek revenge and potentially bring doom to them all. Personally, I've always thought that the death of Astyanax plays a bit of a parallel with Paris' past. Hecuba and Priam are told by a Seer that Paris will be the doom of Troy, so even when he's a newborn baby they decide that he must die for Troy's sake. He's abandoned instead, he lives on, and Troy is doomed, and so in a way the death of Astyanax also comes as a parallel: the Greeks doing what Troy should have arguably done to save themselves (I'm not saying that Paris deserved to die, as a note. I'm speaking purely on the metaphor of it)

It's a terrible act. Odysseus does not lack in blame, but he's not a particularly "evil" among his peers: they all agreed to the same. I think it's also important to consider the context of The Trojan Women as a whole: many classicist consider The Trojan Women to be really close antiwar commentary (or as close as it could have been at those times). The Peloponnesian War had already raged on for more than a decade when the play was first performed, and it was a play about the suffering of war victims, performed for an Athenian audience who had the Peloponnesian War very much fresh in their minds. Arguably, demonising Odysseus and the Greek assembly in this instance is exactly part of the intent, since much suffering had come from this war and Euripides may have wanted the audience to think of how cruel decisions made in war can be and how much suffering comes to war victims because of these decisions. Not just Odysseus, but all the Greeks in the Trojan Women. I'll also leave this interesting quote on more of the potential context of this particular choice here:

Decisions are made by the casting of lots or by the will of an army “council,” a democratic body (the Greek word used for it at line 721 emphasizes its universal membership). This council, urged on by the wily Odysseus, cruelly decrees that the infant Astyanax must die, hurled from whatever part of Troy’s walls remains standing. Euripides may here be commenting (as he certainly did in two later plays, Iphigenia in Aulis and Orestes) on the state of the Athenian democracy in its post-Periclean phase, in which the Assembly, made up of all male citizens, often lacked direction or too quickly gave in to anger when it was thwarted, as it did in the case of the Melians. — Mary Lefkowitz & James Romm, The Greek Plays, Introduction to Euripides' Trojan Women

Sorry that this got a little long! I just find it very interesting to compare and contrast how different classical works characterised mythological figures and why that may have been the case! As for my personal stance on Odysseus himself: I have never seen any Greek hero as particularly righteous or particularly evil. If you look closely, you can find things that we may see as despicable and redeeming in every single one of them, and I think that that's kind of the point. They have good and bad moments; they have virtues and flaws. They have regrets and have done terrible things that they can never take back or forget.

5duckie

I truly apologize for the confusion—that was entirely my mistake. It turns out I had misremembered the source of that scene. It’s been over ten years since I last read that particular epic, and I guess with so much time having passed, the details started to blur in my memory. Honestly, I think part of the reason I got confused is because I've spent a lot of time reading post-Virgilian epics and later adaptations of classical myths. When you're exposed to so many different retellings and interpretations, especially across various periods and styles, it becomes surprisingly easy to mix them up—especially when characters like Odysseus appear in so many different narratives, often portrayed in slightly different ways depending on the author's agenda.

This specific answer had actually been on my mind for a while, and I really wanted to get a clearer understanding of it. So I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to help me figure it out. Your explanation really helped me reconnect with that part of the tradition, and it reminded me why I love these stories in the first place. Thank you again for your help and patience—it means a lot to me.

Thetis is a gentle and compassionate goddess, but her descendants, Achilles and Neoptolemus, are among the most brutal and cruel figures in mythology, causing great suffering to others. Genocide, rape, and a lack of empathy for others are traits that Achilles and Neoptolemus have in common.

The only good deed Achilles ever did in his life was not killing Priam when he came to his tent and selling Hector's corpse back to him for a ransom. (Even that can hardly be called a good deed, but by the standards of the time, the mere fact that he didn’t kill Priam was a miracle.)

When Patroclus dies, Achilles says that even if his own father and son were to die, the grief he feels for Patroclus would still be greater. This suggests that although Achilles had not seen Neoptolemus for ten years because of the war, he still cared for his son—perhaps with affection comparable to that which he had for Patroclus. He loved Patroclus much more than his own father and son tho. And Achilles took pride in Neoptolemus's psychopathic actions. In the Odyssey, Odysseus encounters the spirit of Achilles in the cave and tells him that his son played a major role in the fall of Troy. Upon hearing this, Achilles is greatly pleased.

#the odyssey #the iliad #achilles #neoptolemus #thetis

I really love Olympus Guardian and its original comic books.

I can't believe that I'm fangirling over the original old comic book version of Olympus Guardian right now. The show came out in 2003, but the original comic book—which is now out of print—was released in 2002. But Hector from the comic book I opened for the first time in 10 years was just way too cute. It's all your fault, Hector.

+ my beloved Andromache

My taste in men all started with Hector. It’s 2025 and I’m obsessing over a comic book from 2002. I’m so far gone.

Although non-Koreans might not know, Hong Eun-young (the comic artist) has made a comeback after 22 years and collaborated with Paldo. The main model is Dionysus.

Check out the link below for more info. Since the collaboration is still ongoing, new artwork keeps being posted.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGmN0MmhAff/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Many people have been looking for the original comic books of Olympus Guardian, and here’s why they are so hard to find: The publishing house made the animation without the comic artist’s permission and didn’t pay her properly, so she ended up leaving the series while working on the story of Odysseus, in volume 18. (It was originally planned to be 20 volumes in total.) After that, the publishing housereplaced the illustrator.

But then, on March 14th, 2025, this artwork was posted on Paldo’s official Instagram.

Odysseus truly made it back home after 22 years.

This collaboration started as a surprise in February and is still ongoing. The comic artist revealed on Instagram that she’s planning a new comic book series about Egyptian mythology.

#paris of troy #hector of troy #aeneas #deiphobus #hector #Andromache #penelope #odypen #odysseus #the odyssey #the iliad #olympus guardian #dionysus #apollo #hermes #ancient greek mythology #greek mythology

In Euripides' The Trojan Women the herald Talthybius reveals to Andromache that Odysseus has convinced the council to have the child thrown from the walls, and the child is in this way killed.

Another version is given in Iliou persis, in which Odysseus kills Astyanax with his own bare hands.

«Andromache imploring Ulysses (Odysseus) to spare the life of her son.» -George Dawe; artist; 1810-

#The Little Iliad #odysseus #astyanax #the iliad #the odyssey #ancient greek mythology

homericnerd

Odysseus killing Astyanax, and Neoptolemus using Astyanax as a weapon, can exist in the same myth and they do, according to the Little Iliad. I don't know why people argue about who killed him the oldest source says it was Odysseus who killed him. The man has no problem killing innocent slaves, and you can't believe he killed a baby?

voidfound404

Epic Odysseus: So what? Are we supposed to abandon those who are hurting? Desert them?

Homer’s Odysseus:

Philoctetes:

So, why doesn’t Red Barrels release Miles, Waylon, and Blake in DBD? Plus I want to be chased by Eddie.

Hector is such a nice person. If I were him, I would have strangled Paris to death. (That's OOC -> Shh... He should have died instead of his brother.)

#greek tumblr #greek gods #greek mythology #the iliad #hector #paris #ancient greek mythology #greek myth art #patroclus #achilles

I'm fangirling over Outlast and Greek and Roman Myths in Comics. One is about horror and Miles' fingers, and the other is about genocide. Watching Mount Massive Asylum burn reminds me of the walls of Troy engulfed in flames. 🔥🔥🔥

I thought the Iliad was brutal enough. But I forgot that Outlast isn't any less vicious. Still, I won't post anything NSFW or too violent.

Guys, I've joined Murkoff Corporation.

Waylon:

"Darling!"

#outlast whistleblower #outlast #waylon park #eddie gluskin #miles upshur

When I was in elementary school, I read a children's comic book about Greek mythology. What stood out to me the most was that all the characters were incredibly good-looking.

On the cover, Achilles is dragging Hector behind his chariot. (Wtf Achilles stop that)

Achilles (I really love that smug look on Achilles' face.)

Big Ajax

Patroclus (I like Patroclus the most in this character design.)

Hector (He was my first love, but when I saw Achilles dragging his body, I was so shocked that I cried as a kid. Hes still my fav.)

Aeneas

Diomedes

Odysseus

I own all the volumes of the Comic Greek and Roman Mythology series by Eun-yeong Hong(홍은영)! Hehe!

#the iliad #odysseus #diomedes #hector #patroclus #achilles #aeneas #big ajax #ajax the greater #greek mythology #homer iliad #ancient greek mythology

unhinged-snake-jaw

patroclus in tsoa:

oh... i accidentally killed sarpedon??? i'm not built for violence, really. that's achilles. i guess he's always protecting me... i love him, i can't make myself argue with him— i'm so in love with him i don't know to be angry at him. ever.

patroclus in the iliad:

*invents gamer's rage by killing clysonysmus*

{kill count: so high that homer's just listing names at one point}

*kills sarpedon and then KILLS ANYBODY WHO TRIES TO TAKE HIS BODY* (the dead man's father ended up intervening i believe)

"hey patroclus... you're crying like a girl what's wrong??" "what's wrong? what's wrong??? what's wrong is yOU MOTHERFU—"

*knocks hector's charioteer onto the floor with a stone that fucking kills him* 10/10 my guy that was a perfect dive!! trojans seem awfully good at diving out of their chariots, don't you think??

"on my own? i would have killed TWENTY hectors, and you know that."

#hector x andromache #greek tumblr #the iliad #greek gods #greek posts #greek myth art #greek mythology

?????

#outlast whistleblower #eddie gluskin #outlast

Hector and Andromache had the healthiest marriage among the couples in the Iliad and shared a deep bond. Hector neither had illegitimate children nor took concubines. He was loyal to her. However, Hector died after his duel with Achilles.

After Achilles was struck in the ankle by Paris’s arrow and died, his son killed Hector’s father, King Priam, and threw Hector’s only child from the city walls. Andromache was taken away and made a concubine, bearing children for him.

+ My man is brutally honest.

#greek gods #greek mythology #greek tumblr #hector #andromache #the trojan war #the iliad #astyanax #hector x andromache

the-theshiro-123

Wanted to draw him again

#I'M DEAD #LMAOOO

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