[homericnerd]

[homericnerd]

Genuine question

My husband is trying to get me to watch Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey KNOWINGLY I despise it.

It doesn’t help that he also wants to watch it for Jon Berthal 😭

How can I sway him away from this monstrosity?

Ps he is a history teacher

Idk 😭

I haven't watched it either

I'm really bad at giving advice, but you can hate watch it

[homericnerd]

"Connor Storrie should play Achilles"

my honest reaction

[homericnerd]

Ok why does everyone want this guy to play Achilles LIKE nooooo, if that happens I will kill someone but I also hate Achilles of Troy 2004

[colin-vian]

  Ancient Greek theater Masks

[horrorofthebeast]

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[chokedqwerty]

okay the odyssey has been out for a day im readyto start discourse

[nardialrose]

Black People in Ancient Antiquity Art

High-handled kantharos in the form of two heads, Attic black-figure ceramic, attributed to the London Class, c. 510–480 BCE. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.

Panagyurishte treasure depicting concentric circles of African Heads, Thracian, late 4th-early 3rd cent. BCE. Modern day Bulgeria. Getty Musuem.

Caricatured Odysseus and Kirke. Kabirion kantharos, Boeotian BF, London, British Museum. 450-375 BC. Photograph Alexandre G. Mitchel

Skyphos depicting Odysseus at sea and with Circe, Boeotian black-figure ceramic, attributed to the Cabirion Group, c. fourth century BCE. Ashmolean Museum, University of Oxford.

During the eighth and seventh centuries B.C., the Greeks renewed contacts with the northern periphery of Africa. They established settlements and trading posts along the Nile River and at Cyrene on the northern coast of Africa. Already at Naukratis, the earliest and most important of the trading posts in Africa, Greeks were certainly in contact with Africans. All black Africans were known as Ethiopians to the ancient Greeks, as the fifth-century B.C. historian Herodotus tells us, and their iconography was narrowly defined by Greek artists in the Archaic (ca. 700–480 B.C.) and Classical (ca. 480–323 B.C.) periods, black skin color being the primary identifying physical characteristic. It is recorded that Ethiopians were among King Xerxes’ troops when Persia invaded Greece in 480 B.C. Thus, the Greeks would have come into contact with large numbers of Africans at this time. Nonetheless, most ancient Greeks had only a vague understanding of African geography. They believed that the land of the Ethiopians was located south of Egypt. In Greek mythology, the pygmies were the African race that lived furthest south on the fringes of the known world, where they engaged in mythic battles with cranes. Ethiopians were considered exotic to the ancient Greeks and their features contrasted markedly with the Greeks’ own well-established perception of themselves. The black glaze central to Athenian vase painting was ideally suited for representing black skin, a consistent feature used to describe Ethiopians in ancient Greek literature as well. Ethiopians were featured in the tragic plays of Aeschylus, Sophokles, and Euripides; and preserved comic masks, as well as a number of vase paintings from this period, indicate that Ethiopians were also often cast in Greek comedies. Well into the fourth century B.C., Ethiopians were regularly featured in Greek vase painting, especially on the highly decorative red-figure vases produced by the Greek colonies in southern Italy.

-Hemingway, S. and Hemingway, C.. (2008). Africans in Ancient Greek Art. In Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/afrg/hd_afrg.htm. More art examples founded on the website.

[homericnerd]

The thing that annoys me most in the discourse about the new adaptation of The Odyssey is the criticism, especially from radical right-wing reactionaries chuds who simply call it "woke liberal propaganda" because Helen is played by a Black actress and there's a trans actor in the cast. (Although Greek mythology does have Black characters like Andromeda, Memnon and trans Caeneus and Tiresias.) It's very bold to assume these idiots have any idea about the literature or the film they're criticizing (but you already know that 🫠)

Every video, tweet, or post "criticizing" Nolan's work which hasn't even been released vet makes me feel like I'm iust two videos away from the most racist post imaginable about Lupita, who is beautiful and an Oscar winner, as well as the complete lie about who will play Achilles, and the mass hysteria surrounding it.

Also, why didn't Nolan defend his actors at least once? That irritates me. You're a director why don't you say something about the attacks on your actors?

Currently, I believe that if the film successfully conveys the original source's emotion and offers new insight into the characters, it succeeds. But in this case, it's risky because it faces the same issues that plague popular myth retellings

We'll see what happens. :/

[homericnerd]

Spain vs Argentina World Cup final

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[venomspecs]

Nolan Odysseus in Fortnite. This is not a drill

[homericnerd]

I'M A PROPHET I PROPHESIED

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[dashaibo]

Britain: *colonizes India for a 100 years*

Westerners: never forget, biggest crime

The Ottoman Empire: *colonizes Bulgaria for 500 years*

Westerners: *crickets*

[season-0f-a-witch]

I would also like to add that Ottoman Empire did not just *colonise* Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece  - basically all Orthodox Christian Balkan nations, they literally ENSLAVED us all, and for centuries at that, 400-500 years, depending on region.

All were obliged to give  so called ‘’ blood tax’’  which is to say prepubescent boys were taken by force to Constaninople to be trained and become fierce Janissary Imperial military corps.

Both men and women were taken to slavery on regular basis,men for heavy duty work and women ( mostly) as sex slaves.

Needles to say, all these people were forever lost to the nations they have been taken from.

British Empire did nothing of a sort in India.

I always  cynically smirk when reading about blacks endlessly moaning about slavery, or Indians / Pakistanis  endlessly moaning about colonisation.

[wolf-claw]

I agree and I’d like to add that, on top of it all, Turks also colonized parts of then Austro-Hungarian empire (modern day Hungary and Croatia) for a bit over 100 years.

And let’s not forget about Arabs colonizing the Iberian peninsula for 800 years.

If white people are on the recieving end of it, colonization and exploitation don’t matter to those who dictate the outrage. I know a generally accepted view is that those people are self-hating whites, but to be honest I sometimes think that most of the outraged crowd believe that white people are capable of dealing with it on their own without problems, and non-whites are not. I guess that’s why their beloved “POC” still call them racist, despite all their efforts to be inclusive or whatever.

[enkisrightnipple]

Oh cool, when did the ottomans leave those regions?

~400 years ago?

~300 years ago?

When did the British leave India?

80 Years ago?

Think maybe the recency of those events has something to do with it? Think maybe the fact that the Ottomans don’t exist anymore and the British still do, and still benefit from their colonialism might contribute to it? Think maybe the fact that Britain subjected India to a huge famine by making them ship food out of the country in the middle of a food shortage, to the point where Winston Churchill is viewed as Hitler by the Indian people, again ~80 years ago might contribute to how those events would be viewed and discussed differently. Did you think, at all?

[dashaibo]

The Ottoman occupation of Bulgaria only ended in 1878.

The Armenian genocide was in 1915.

UK is as much heir to the British Empire as modern-day Turkey is to the Ottoman Empire.

Bulgarians had their religion systematically erased and children forcibly taken away from families to raise them as Janissaries as a form of blood tax on non-Muslims.

Go read a history book.

[kinda-deactivated-blog]

The (Greek)-Pontiac genocide happened from 1916-1922, about a century ago. My great grandmother had to flee and her baby died while she was trying to escape.

The invasion of Cyrpus happened in 1974, they did a huge massacre and to this day half the island belongs to Turkey. That’s 45 years from today.

And even now Turkey threatens our boarders and flies their military aircrafts our over country. People live with the constant fear of war…

@enkisrightnipple Leave eastern Europe out of it.

[wordsmithic]

Sorry for getting political but why the users of this site are SO ignorant?? It makes my blood boil, honestly!

[addine995]

Sorry to intrude, but I feel like I need to throw in my two cents regarding Cyprus.

I’m a Greek Cypriot raised in Cyprus and here are a few points I’d like to make about the island:

1) Cyprus was invaded by the British Empire in 1878 and remained a British colony until 1960, when the island was declared an independent state. A very bloody war between the uneducated Cypriots, many of whom couldn’t even spell their own name, and the British empire took place between 1955 and 1959 and, long story short, that’s how we became an independent state.

HOWEVER, Britain has maintained its military basis in Akrotiri and Dekeleia and those two areas are still treated like British soil. Cypriots who go there actually have to go through passport control and when Cyprus was declared the capital country of the European Union, the Cypriot government wanted to use the ancient threatre of Kourion which is located in one of the bases and the British nation almost didn’t let them. Plus, Cypriot citizens get awarded by the Queen for their services to the Commonwealth (because, as a former colony, we are a Commonwealth country). More info on that here: https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/06/27/cypriot-honoured-by-the-queen/

Also, in another display of colonialism, the UK recently acquired the trademark rights for halloumi, a cheese that has been produced in Cyprus for centuries. This happened only a couple of months ago: https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/12/halloumi-is-safe-but-trademark-loss-a-blunder-says-minister/

2) The northern part of the island (which was invaded by Turkey in 1974) does not officially belong to Turkey. Incorporating it into Turkey would mean to cut Cyprus in half (like what happens with North and South Korea now or what happened with Germany during the Cold War, except that you have two different nations involved). I currently live in Germany and there I see lots of advertisements about “North Cyprus” or “the Republic of Northern Cyprus” and I want to say now, NONE OF THESE NAMES ARE OFFICIAL. The EU doesn’t recognize them, NATO doesn’t recognize them. Only Turkey recognizes them (but there are lots of Turks in Germany so…)

Even now, there are people who have been missing since 1974 and on the green line separating the invaded and the non-invaded part of Cyprus, there is a NATO military team called UNFICYP (https://unficyp.unmissions.org/) and who constantly patrol the area around the green line bearing arms. You can’t take any pictures on the green line or they will confiscate your camera or phone.

Also, for the record, Turkey also doesn’t even recognize the Republic of Cyprus (the non-invaded part of the island). For instance, there is no Cypriot embassy in Turkey and I head once that there are no direct flights from Cyprus to Turkey and vice versa either (I’m not sure whether it’s true but I wouldn’t be surprised).

Turkey invaded Cyprus because there was a minority population of Turkish Cypriots on the island, whose only distinction from the rest of the Cypriots was that they were Muslim and had Turkish names. There is also a significant population of Armenians in Cyprus as well, although the island is predominantly Greek speaking and has the Greek Orthodox religion.

This is actually a multi-faceted and complicated topic that it will take an entire book to be analysed in its entirety, so I apologize for the essay.

[alatismeni-theitsa]

Not Zendaya wearing the ORIGINAL ancient earrings, obtained via sketchy means from a country (Iran) her own country has very recently bombed... Such historical and cultural sensitivity on her part! I'm sure we can be proud of her role in Nolan's Odyssey.....

[homericnerd]

#Patrochilles

[galusandmalus]

ok genuinely what the fuck are they wearing

[homericnerd]

I'm completely serious, I think Greece should patent everything related to their mythology and literature. If Hollywood somehow wants to make a movie about Greek mythology, they should ask the Greeks first, otherwise they will pay Greece money.

[homericnerd]

Every time someone say that One Piece is like the Odyssey and okay there is a ship, a crew and a journey but The Argonautica is the real One Piece