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I’m not a moderate or a centrist, but I’m getting rather tired of polarization. This includes infighting of similar opinions. Micro-polarization let’s call it. Big fan of ‘these two takes can coexist’ posts. Consensus decision-making is a political structure where multiple viewpoints and interests are allowed input on a final course of action. Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to get you. Stop stressing yourself out.

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[leighlew3]

ALL. OF. THIS.

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I like this energy but let’s name what’s actually going on today:

-disproportionate queer homelessness is still a HUGE issue

-disproportionate mental illness is still a HUGE issue

-afaik you can’t be jailed for being gay, at least in most developed countries. America unfortunately is headed that way for trans people, though.

-LGBTQ is currently a protected class for firing, isn’t it? So that one’s a dud.

-disowned is not something we can organize a movement around (you can’t legally force someone to financially support someone else) so while I see why it’s included, if that were the only thing remaining, there wouldn’t be anything we could do about it. So it’s less impactful. Like yes I suppose Pride should persist in such a hypothetical future, to continue normalization, but it’s still not as strong a point.

-they are trying to come after marriage, I think, but I don’t know the details

-denied healthcare is true for trans people, but no longer for gays or bi, right?

(also healthcare is not exactly a “right”, I don’t think? Thank capitalism for that)

When someone asks “what rights are you missing, what’s not equal, why are you guys still being so loud” you need to be able to ANSWER this question. Specifically.

This Tweet does not do that.

It could’ve mentioned still-existent hate crimes, that’s pretty important!

And, afaik, some states still have the “murder is ok if the person you’re dating is trans and you got worked up about that fact” ie “trans panic defense.”

THAT one should be in here, as “the right not to be murdered” not applying to trans people in certain scenarios should be like. The TOP of the list.

[lakemojave]

People are unfazed if you hate women but if you dislike dogs they assume you're a bad person

[lakemojave]

Tumblr users will read a post complaining about normalized misogyny and hyperfocus on your claim that it's ok to dislike dogs

[lakemojave]

Tumblr users will see you complain about misogyny and be ok with not liking dogs and go into your inbox and misgender you

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To the person posting tags: please look up the term “cynophobia” and start using it. Low-key even if it isn’t a clinical grade phobia (all mental illness is just a collection of people writing things on paper anyway. semi anti-psyche moment, excuse me) if people refuse to take your formative memory seriously, then if the solution might be to stick a label on it parallel to arachnophobia et al, do it. Unironically.

Ppl can self-diagnose autism? I think you can faux self-diagnose to get people off your back. That’s just one person’s take tho.

To OP: idk this makes sense to me. Dogs are innocent: they are functionally toddler-like beings. Women are capable of much harm, (some of which is intentional, unlike a dog who can’t be held morally accountable bc, you know, they’re dogs) most of it emotional but when it does hit the alloromantics it’s devastating.

So to hate dogs is to hate small children (which yeh some people do as well, but just to put it in perspective). To hate women is to hate people who do wield their deeply personal influence over people sometimes.

The fundamentally different view that other people have of non-human persons and the view you probably have of them seems to be at least some of the bone of contention here.

[cash4bees]

I think the reason I still enjoy tumblr is that even though this all still pisses me off, I know that anything that makes me mad on here is 100% earnest. It's not ragebait or engagement farming, y'all are actually just that stupid sometimes

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It’s really ironic to think about how gnc people in many societies are given roles like spiritualist, essentially a hyper-privileged place of social importance, and the poor souls with the absolutely horrible incarnation luck of being born into Western societies get shoved to the bottom of the totem pole.

Human culture is bizarre.

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This person is so committed to strawmanning, there should be some sort of Award. Such that I’m sorely tempted to make a specialized Hall of Shame

If I ended up blocked and/or comments deleted … that would just confirm how much embarrassment there was over stuff like this

It’s probably too much to hope for that this person would ever actually decide to learn, progress as a person, own up to and drop the multiple instances of caricature-making and commit to critical thinking skills.

This was admittedly, one of the most absurd ones, but it’s been a consistent pattern.

Wrote this up a few days ago but had to decide whether to actually release it, but they’re stirring shit on another one of my posts, so here we go I guess.

I also saved another thing from this very thread because it’s important, and it looks like another user might need to hear it.

Pause and actually THINK about what’s being said, don’t automatically pull from a script you had from an argument with someone else, in kneejerk fashion.

Not like this is an uncommon habit, caught myself doing it once or twice, key phrase there being caught myself. Acknowledge when you make mistakes and are running on pure irritation and desire to button-mash “Send.”

This goes for everyone!

If you actually want to convince anyone of anything, you have to actually care enough about a topic to lock in rather than just vent.

[storybookprincess]

if i can impart any one piece of wisdom to y’all, it’s to, whenever possible, assume good intentions

assume people are trying their best, want to be good and treat others well, and that when their behavior doesn’t align with those goals, it’s because of outside factors that are pushing them to their limit

it’s hard to do, it doesn’t always come naturally, but it’s worth it

[storybookprincess]

before anyone jumps in with an “op has clearly never worked in the service industry,” i work in a public facing library job

i have a patron who is mean as a snake. won’t respond when you greet her, barks orders at you, and is generally nasty

i couldn’t stand her & dreaded the moment she walked in the door, until i stopped one day & went “wow, to walk around feeling unhappy enough to treat people so horribly every day. what a difficult way to live.”

and so my tactics changed. i made a point to be extra kind & friendly to her. she changed her hair color one day & when i complimented her on it, she was very caught off guard & said “oh, thank you. my whole life i’ve thought i was ugly.”

now we’re at the point where she shows me pictures of watercolor paintings she made & says hi when she walks in the door. she’s not my favorite patron, but she’s perfectly okay. most unpleasant people aren’t inherently rotten, they’re just unhappy & coping with it poorly

assume people are always doing their best, even if their best happens to fall a bit short. assume good intentions

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other outside forces include:

-has been told or telegraphed all their life they’re fantastic in some way, and therefore started thinking they were better than everyone else

-the obvious suspect ideologies. Both ways ‘round. Either burdened by prejudice, or coached to be mean to people of a certain demographic, esp in classist fashion (classism reinforces itself by being cannibalistic.)

The second can also be about beliefs.

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The sad thing is that in addition to the mild ableism and overt ableism the replies to that reblog brought to the table

The more unconscious and pervasive ableism of general discourse also is very, very apparent.

Scrolling through the replies, you see “dumb” “insane” etc, leveled at the take they vehemently disagree with.

Now, ofc, most of us are in the habit of using ableist insults like this- I probably have, too. But I do try to stay focused on-topic. It really brings home just how interwoven and unexamined ableism is. As if actual bigots (of which I am not one, even if you wanted to view my takes as ‘wrong,’ I clearly don’t hate trans people the same way a conventional bigot would. But that would require nuanced thinking. Which these people don’t have.) as if anyone who falls for propaganda or is subject to societal programming is ‘less intelligent’ than people who have been raised liberal, are in a marginalized demographic so naturally gravitate to it unlike some minorities who act against their own self-interest bc of political campaigns, or people who have had enough liberal ideas land on them that they began to question things.

PSA: nobody is immune to propaganda.

PSA: nobody is immune to cults. Not even you.

PSA: people are not automatically ‘dumb’ for having bad takes of any kind- that’s not how it works. Some of the smartest people alive are bigots. Prime example being various oligarchs and technocrats. (most Presidents not included, lol)

PSA: (in addition to making you look unintelligent) using insults is an entirely useless way to change peoples’ minds.

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I am absolutely CONVINCED that most people reading these posts only absorb every other word. That's the only explanation for the entirely different statements they pull out of what the words actually say.

If I have to spend the time wading through 10+ people telling me something my post or Reblog didn’t say, to find the ONE that’s gonna engage in good faith, FUckkkk that noise. I only have one life to live.

And only so many spoons, as well.

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I find these terms interesting, because it seems they erase the very obvious dimension of “men are culturally seen as not capable of being sexually assaulted, (sometimes even legally!!) and you are mistakenly viewed as a man, (or partly or sort of a man) bc of your birth anatomy, ergo you are harmed by this clear case of misandry” and try to rhetorically warp it and warp it until it’s a form of misogyny.

Even queer people who have not uninternalized this unconscious programming and brought it out to wrestle with it will make this mistake when dealing with trans women, esp untransitioned trans women.

It’s a total misunderstanding of how bigoted society actually operates and conceptualizes, by framing it through a solely minority lens that at its very core is a queering of norms and therefore starkly different from the majority’s view.

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At this point, I genuinely feel a little bad for beating up on this person. Can’t answer direct questions, tries “gotchas” that fall their face regularly, and straight up strawmans at every turn, (sometimes strawmans that aren’t even close) while seeming to actually believe what’s being inaccurately typed.

Something something No War But Class War

Class is the root of all other oppressions, etc etc

Ofc state-obsessed neoliberals are gonna try gotchas like this. Idk if this user is, but definitely a whiff of Kool-Aid about these exchanges

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Really what this whole debate about homeless shelters and transgender people sheds a light on is that there are practically no queer-anti-homeless organizations or resources for adults. I know this, given my roommate was searching for such when they were afraid they were going to get functionally kicked out, (I can't pay the rent on my own, w/o their parents helping out, but I have a place to go, they don't) and are too disabled to work full time. Homeless queer teenagers, there's a whole slew of resources for them. But as I understand it, once you turn 18, you're out on your ass.

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I wonder if anyone has made a masterpost or link bank about this . . . Tumblr would definitely be the place for that to exist

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of course, in a political climate that literally axed the suicide helpline for trans people, and is pushing the Orwellian-named "parents' rights" movement, I can only imagine this inaccessibility to both queer teens AND adults has gotten worse since then.

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@mousidy @dumpster-of-amontillado @harperthegoblin @ionaoxide @thebutter @its-hip-to-fuck-trees Let me ask you all this question directly. Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity. Real talk. (Hint: it's probably not the latter, or trans men would be unilaterally excluded as well. An almost-point which you seemed really insistent on reinforcing as much as possible, Mous) Now, once you've mulled over that question, do you think a world where less transwomen died in the streets if they had something they wanted to get done paid for by the state is better or worse than a world where more transwomen died in the streets because society proved inflexible- as they appear to be currently- to total capitulation and was not approached with an intermediate step. Next, Queer-specific homeless shelters exist for youth. Do you think it would be more or less beneficial to extend those already-existent organizations' goals and funding to include queer adults? Would this be more or less beneficial than putting queer people in a majority allocishet space? (not least of all bc for the younger people too, because seeing older role models and those who give one hope to live a long and fruitful life is particularly bolstering in a queerphobic society)

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It’s very telling that I’ve tagged five people so far, and nobody has a response.

When you can’t do critical thinking because you’re too wrapped up in your outrage goggles:

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy answer the questions instead of making off-the-wall nonsensical analogies in the comment section like a coward.

[i-cant-imagine-this-lasting-long]

"Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity."

It's Transmisogyny- the reason is transmisogyny. It's not because of the potential of "conventional sexual assault" because your definition of that is bullshit. Which is something I addressed the last time I reblogged from you, which I noticed you conveniently ignored, while still constantly harassing trans women.

Sexual assault can occur without a dick involved, that's not the deciding factor here at all. The reason is transmisogyny plain and simple. Requiring homeless trans women to undergo genital inspections helps no one and only subjects trans women to further enforced humiliation and discrimination.

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Since someone who reblogged (who I assume has since fled the conversation bc it's not showing up) tried to claim "b-b-b-b-but Mousidy's did reply! Her response was not an answer to the questions. The questions: (1) "Do you think the danger of assault is the primary reason AMAB people are kept out of womens' spaces." (which would ofc be confirmed by her trying to exclude trans men from the conversation . . . can't have that. So she gave no response. This reply also studiously ignores that many of these people do not meet that benchmark of femininity. Yet are extended housing anyway. Because it's convenient.) (2) "Do you think less dead trans women is better than more trans women" Again no response. (Also this reblog did not respond to this, either) (3) "Do you think queer people being in a community with other queer people is more or less beneficial than being outnumbered in a non-queer space" No answer. (Also this reblog didn't) Her response was to be the pigeon shitting on the chess board: -repeated transphobic society's opinion and claimed I shared it when that's a lie -avoided even talking about certain trans women receiving free services and how that would be an increase in access, not a decrease Now, she could've answered any of these questions and been like "Yes BUT this is why I think this reasoning doesn't apply or isn't enough benefit." But that would require actually engaging. Which she did not do. Now, getting to your message: "It's not because of the potential of "conventional sexual assault"" Really??? Really??? Because practically EVERY terf argument I'VE ever witnessed about "womens' spaces" REVOLVES heavily around "these are people who might assault us" and EVERY person trying to swarm this post saying "but we're not rapists!!!" SURE SOUND LIKE that's what they're used to arguing against since they're projecting it onto me! But idk, have you ever actually had a face-to-face conversation with anyone who runs a womens' shelter about why they're putting these "AFAB rules" into place that Mousidy brought attention to? Because I VERY MUCH DOUBT if you asked them directly, "hey, if a person has a beard, what's the reason you're going to exclude them" would be "well it's the beard." No. If you were detailed enough with your questions. It's going to be, " they could be a trans man, but how do we know? They might have intact male genitalia." Probably the way some of these places let trans men in is that they don't pass, or aren't on T. But please. Do email one and screenshot it to us, I guess. If you're sooooo sure. "definition of that is bullshit." You disagree that current society largely conceptualizes rape as PIV rape? "conveniently ignored" Yeah my Notifs have been crazy, as might be expected, and I don't have the spoons to keep up with it all. You're welcome to link it, if it isn't covered by "current society largely conceptualizes rape as PIV" which it sounds like you were trying to attribute that to me. A mistake that a lot of people are making, when discussing how to find weak points in current society's blockades.

"Requiring homeless trans women to undergo genital inspections helps no one" Except those who are seeking peace of mind and overtly weaponizing that. "humiliation and discrimination." Literally. This wipes away discrimination for anyone who's had any stage of bottom surgery. This is a nonsensical statement. This would be a REDUCTION of exclusion from housing. Taking a glance at someone's privates wouldn't even be needed in a nudist society, or an indigenous one of the right kind. So while I understand that socially constructed shame around nudity is at play here, I think less dead trans women is an acceptable counterbalance to a moment of embarrassment. Maybe you disagree.

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@mousidy still waiting on a response from you that isn’t “pigeon shitting on the board”, as described above, by the way!

It’s ok, I know nuance is hard. If you assert simplified and wrong stances from what posts actually say and claim they aren’t nuanced enough times, it’s like a magic spell and it becomes true!

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Really what this whole debate about homeless shelters and transgender people sheds a light on is that there are practically no queer-anti-homeless organizations or resources for adults. I know this, given my roommate was searching for such when they were afraid they were going to get functionally kicked out, (I can't pay the rent on my own, w/o their parents helping out, but I have a place to go, they don't) and are too disabled to work full time. Homeless queer teenagers, there's a whole slew of resources for them. But as I understand it, once you turn 18, you're out on your ass.

[adopt-a-nuance]

I wonder if anyone has made a masterpost or link bank about this . . . Tumblr would definitely be the place for that to exist

[adopt-a-nuance]

of course, in a political climate that literally axed the suicide helpline for trans people, and is pushing the Orwellian-named "parents' rights" movement, I can only imagine this inaccessibility to both queer teens AND adults has gotten worse since then.

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy @dumpster-of-amontillado @harperthegoblin @ionaoxide @thebutter @its-hip-to-fuck-trees Let me ask you all this question directly. Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity. Real talk. (Hint: it's probably not the latter, or trans men would be unilaterally excluded as well. An almost-point which you seemed really insistent on reinforcing as much as possible, Mous) Now, once you've mulled over that question, do you think a world where less transwomen died in the streets if they had something they wanted to get done paid for by the state is better or worse than a world where more transwomen died in the streets because society proved inflexible- as they appear to be currently- to total capitulation and was not approached with an intermediate step. Next, Queer-specific homeless shelters exist for youth. Do you think it would be more or less beneficial to extend those already-existent organizations' goals and funding to include queer adults? Would this be more or less beneficial than putting queer people in a majority allocishet space? (not least of all bc for the younger people too, because seeing older role models and those who give one hope to live a long and fruitful life is particularly bolstering in a queerphobic society)

[adopt-a-nuance]

It’s very telling that I’ve tagged five people so far, and nobody has a response.

When you can’t do critical thinking because you’re too wrapped up in your outrage goggles:

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy answer the questions instead of making off-the-wall nonsensical analogies in the comment section like a coward.

[i-cant-imagine-this-lasting-long]

"Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity."

It's Transmisogyny- the reason is transmisogyny. It's not because of the potential of "conventional sexual assault" because your definition of that is bullshit. Which is something I addressed the last time I reblogged from you, which I noticed you conveniently ignored, while still constantly harassing trans women.

Sexual assault can occur without a dick involved, that's not the deciding factor here at all. The reason is transmisogyny plain and simple. Requiring homeless trans women to undergo genital inspections helps no one and only subjects trans women to further enforced humiliation and discrimination.

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Since someone who reblogged (who I assume has since fled the conversation bc it's not showing up) tried to claim "b-b-b-b-but Mousidy's did reply! Her response was not an answer to the questions. The questions: (1) "Do you think the danger of assault is the primary reason AMAB people are kept out of womens' spaces." (which would ofc be confirmed by her trying to exclude trans men from the conversation . . . can't have that. So she gave no response. This reply also studiously ignores that many of these people do not meet that benchmark of femininity. Yet are extended housing anyway. Because it's convenient.) (2) "Do you think less dead trans women is better than more trans women" Again no response. (Also this reblog did not respond to this, either) (3) "Do you think queer people being in a community with other queer people is more or less beneficial than being outnumbered in a non-queer space" No answer. (Also this reblog didn't) Her response was to be the pigeon shitting on the chess board: -repeated transphobic society's opinion and claimed I shared it when that's a lie -avoided even talking about certain trans women receiving free services and how that would be an increase in access, not a decrease Now, she could've answered any of these questions and been like "Yes BUT this is why I think this reasoning doesn't apply or isn't enough benefit." But that would require actually engaging. Which she did not do. Now, getting to your message: "It's not because of the potential of "conventional sexual assault"" Really??? Really??? Because practically EVERY terf argument I'VE ever witnessed about "womens' spaces" REVOLVES heavily around "these are people who might assault us" and EVERY person trying to swarm this post saying "but we're not rapists!!!" SURE SOUND LIKE that's what they're used to arguing against since they're projecting it onto me! But idk, have you ever actually had a face-to-face conversation with anyone who runs a womens' shelter about why they're putting these "AFAB rules" into place that Mousidy brought attention to? Because I VERY MUCH DOUBT if you asked them directly, "hey, if a person has a beard, what's the reason you're going to exclude them" would be "well it's the beard." No. If you were detailed enough with your questions. It's going to be, " they could be a trans man, but how do we know? They might have intact male genitalia." Probably the way some of these places let trans men in is that they don't pass, or aren't on T. But please. Do email one and screenshot it to us, I guess. If you're sooooo sure. "definition of that is bullshit." You disagree that current society largely conceptualizes rape as PIV rape? "conveniently ignored" Yeah my Notifs have been crazy, as might be expected, and I don't have the spoons to keep up with it all. You're welcome to link it, if it isn't covered by "current society largely conceptualizes rape as PIV" which it sounds like you were trying to attribute that to me. A mistake that a lot of people are making, when discussing how to find weak points in current society's blockades.

"Requiring homeless trans women to undergo genital inspections helps no one" Except those who are seeking peace of mind and overtly weaponizing that. "humiliation and discrimination." Literally. This wipes away discrimination for anyone who's had any stage of bottom surgery. This is a nonsensical statement. This would be a REDUCTION of exclusion from housing. Taking a glance at someone's privates wouldn't even be needed in a nudist society, or an indigenous one of the right kind. So while I understand that socially constructed shame around nudity is at play here, I think less dead trans women is an acceptable counterbalance to a moment of embarrassment. Maybe you disagree.

[adopt-a-nuance]

Really what this whole debate about homeless shelters and transgender people sheds a light on is that there are practically no queer-anti-homeless organizations or resources for adults. I know this, given my roommate was searching for such when they were afraid they were going to get functionally kicked out, (I can't pay the rent on my own, w/o their parents helping out, but I have a place to go, they don't) and are too disabled to work full time. Homeless queer teenagers, there's a whole slew of resources for them. But as I understand it, once you turn 18, you're out on your ass.

[adopt-a-nuance]

I wonder if anyone has made a masterpost or link bank about this . . . Tumblr would definitely be the place for that to exist

[adopt-a-nuance]

of course, in a political climate that literally axed the suicide helpline for trans people, and is pushing the Orwellian-named "parents' rights" movement, I can only imagine this inaccessibility to both queer teens AND adults has gotten worse since then.

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy @dumpster-of-amontillado @harperthegoblin @ionaoxide @thebutter @its-hip-to-fuck-trees Let me ask you all this question directly. Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity. Real talk. (Hint: it's probably not the latter, or trans men would be unilaterally excluded as well. An almost-point which you seemed really insistent on reinforcing as much as possible, Mous) Now, once you've mulled over that question, do you think a world where less transwomen died in the streets if they had something they wanted to get done paid for by the state is better or worse than a world where more transwomen died in the streets because society proved inflexible- as they appear to be currently- to total capitulation and was not approached with an intermediate step. Next, Queer-specific homeless shelters exist for youth. Do you think it would be more or less beneficial to extend those already-existent organizations' goals and funding to include queer adults? Would this be more or less beneficial than putting queer people in a majority allocishet space? (not least of all bc for the younger people too, because seeing older role models and those who give one hope to live a long and fruitful life is particularly bolstering in a queerphobic society)

[adopt-a-nuance]

It’s very telling that I’ve tagged five people so far, and nobody has a response.

When you can’t do critical thinking because you’re too wrapped up in your outrage goggles:

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy answer the questions instead of making off-the-wall nonsensical analogies in the comment section like a coward.

[adopt-a-nuance]

Ok so someone answered on the difference between typing "trans woman" and "transwoman" (after OP who brought it up had no response to "Do you think 100% of people who use the term 'guy' gender neutrally are transphobic," which should've been a pretty easy Yes or No, or "well maybe not always" so this subsequent behavior smelled like a swipe at a "Gotcha" the moment they had to do any actual hard thinking about complex questions posed to them on another subject . . . to avoid having to do so, which they did predictably ghost on, but ok, I'll take the bait)

After reading this, I really wish I could find the post that says “fascists are plotting to kill us all and THIS is what you’re arguing about” or the similar meme ones because this is off-the-charts level of nitpick and starting worthless infighting.

I have never been more embarrassed to be gnc, if this is what people in my community, all you guys are spending actual mind energy on. The space between two words. Holy shit.

@dumpster-of-amontillado

If you think a TERF showing up is gonna get anything but a hyena laugh from me …

imagine their embarrassment when they belatedly put together that the goal would be for trans women with penises to be in womens’ spaces.

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Really what this whole debate about homeless shelters and transgender people sheds a light on is that there are practically no queer-anti-homeless organizations or resources for adults. I know this, given my roommate was searching for such when they were afraid they were going to get functionally kicked out, (I can't pay the rent on my own, w/o their parents helping out, but I have a place to go, they don't) and are too disabled to work full time. Homeless queer teenagers, there's a whole slew of resources for them. But as I understand it, once you turn 18, you're out on your ass.

[adopt-a-nuance]

I wonder if anyone has made a masterpost or link bank about this . . . Tumblr would definitely be the place for that to exist

[adopt-a-nuance]

of course, in a political climate that literally axed the suicide helpline for trans people, and is pushing the Orwellian-named "parents' rights" movement, I can only imagine this inaccessibility to both queer teens AND adults has gotten worse since then.

[adopt-a-nuance]

@mousidy @dumpster-of-amontillado @harperthegoblin @ionaoxide @thebutter @its-hip-to-fuck-trees Let me ask you all this question directly. Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity. Real talk. (Hint: it's probably not the latter, or trans men would be unilaterally excluded as well. An almost-point which you seemed really insistent on reinforcing as much as possible, Mous) Now, once you've mulled over that question, do you think a world where less transwomen died in the streets if they had something they wanted to get done paid for by the state is better or worse than a world where more transwomen died in the streets because society proved inflexible- as they appear to be currently- to total capitulation and was not approached with an intermediate step. Next, Queer-specific homeless shelters exist for youth. Do you think it would be more or less beneficial to extend those already-existent organizations' goals and funding to include queer adults? Would this be more or less beneficial than putting queer people in a majority allocishet space? (not least of all bc for the younger people too, because seeing older role models and those who give one hope to live a long and fruitful life is particularly bolstering in a queerphobic society)

[adopt-a-nuance]

It’s very telling that I’ve tagged five people so far, and nobody has a response.

When you can’t do critical thinking because you’re too wrapped up in your outrage goggles:

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Really what this whole debate about homeless shelters and transgender people sheds a light on is that there are practically no queer-anti-homeless organizations or resources for adults. I know this, given my roommate was searching for such when they were afraid they were going to get functionally kicked out, (I can't pay the rent on my own, w/o their parents helping out, but I have a place to go, they don't) and are too disabled to work full time. Homeless queer teenagers, there's a whole slew of resources for them. But as I understand it, once you turn 18, you're out on your ass.

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I wonder if anyone has made a masterpost or link bank about this . . . Tumblr would definitely be the place for that to exist

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of course, in a political climate that literally axed the suicide helpline for trans people, and is pushing the Orwellian-named "parents' rights" movement, I can only imagine this inaccessibility to both queer teens AND adults has gotten worse since then.

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@mousidy @dumpster-of-amontillado @harperthegoblin @ionaoxide @thebutter @its-hip-to-fuck-trees Let me ask you all this question directly. Do you think that current transphobic society's reason for excluding trans women is the potential of conventional sexual assault resulting in pregnancy, or do you think society's reason for excluding trans women is that they don't meet some benchmark of superficial femininity. Real talk. (Hint: it's probably not the latter, or trans men would be unilaterally excluded as well. An almost-point which you seemed really insistent on reinforcing as much as possible, Mous) Now, once you've mulled over that question, do you think a world where less transwomen died in the streets if they had something they wanted to get done paid for by the state is better or worse than a world where more transwomen died in the streets because society proved inflexible- as they appear to be currently- to total capitulation and was not approached with an intermediate step. Next, Queer-specific homeless shelters exist for youth. Do you think it would be more or less beneficial to extend those already-existent organizations' goals and funding to include queer adults? Would this be more or less beneficial than putting queer people in a majority allocishet space? (not least of all bc for the younger people too, because seeing older role models and those who give one hope to live a long and fruitful life is particularly bolstering in a queerphobic society)