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"My speaking skills suck, I should really spend more time working on them!" *Continues to exclusively work on reading*
The problem with me rehearsing something I need to say in Japanese is that one of two things happens:
I deliver the rehearsed phrase confidently, and then the person assumes I can actually speak Japanese and unleashes a barrage of natural-speed keigo at me
The phrase immediately evaporates from my head and I stammer over my words and mix up all the sounds, the person goes "sorry what" and then I have to immediately leave to find a very large fast-moving truck to jump in front of
お母さんの置き書き面白すぎ
ネコ3匹には もう夕ごはん やったから
だまされないように
All 3 cats have been given dinner already
so don’t be fooled by them
haven’t posted in a while since all i’ve been doing japanese-wise is just taking my japanese classes and uh. not much else. but i plan on taking the JLPT N2 next year, since my class would have finished their N2 curriculum by then. due to my lacking attention span and memory though, i’m probably lacking in everything (kanji, reading speed, reading comprehension, listening, vocabulary, grammar) to actually pass though
gonna make an endeavour to read more japanese manga and try to watch anime unsubbed with the best of my attention span abilities…. might try pomodoro. also ordering a fidget toy; not sure if that helps.
though i did read all of the available volumes of 神さま学校の落ちこぼれ / Kami-sama Gakkou no Ochikobore / The Failure at God School, written by the author of Apothecary Diaries!!!!!!! i very much enjoyed it, would recommend. i read the first volume in english and then proceeded to hunt for the japanese volumes when i was on a japan trip to read all the untranslated volumes. 10/10 would recommend
also brought some other manga, but it turns out i don’t have the patience to try and read stuff without furigana (wow i wonder why my kanji ability might be lacking…) or stuff with available english translations…. or maybe it’s because the manga wasn’t 神さま学校の落ちこぼれ. i have pre-ordered the next volume release!!!!! maybe i will try some other of Natsu Hyuga’s works… there’s also the 神さま学校の落ちこぼれ light novel if i’m daring (also more expensive than the manga) that i heard diverges from the manga storyline at volume 5(?)
Are there any books or research that you'd recommend in the topic of literary translation, especially Japanese translation?
I’m flatted you asked me this question but I’m entirely self taught in terms of translation! It might be better to ask @kanpeki-bekki , she’s a real translator who understands the theory a lot better than me!
The irony of being called a real translator when I'm just as self-taught lmao.
I do have a handful of books though.
Japanese-English Translation by Judy Wakabayashi
Literally everyone I know has this on their shelf. Though it's not literature specific, it does draw upon a lot of literary examples. It is especially a godsend for all those gnarly questions of "what do I do with all these weird Japanese symbols?" and "why does the tense keep changing?" and offers a lot of different examples of how to approach a translation. More of a textbook, so it's a lot to read in one go. Maybe flip through for little pieces here and there, or when you found one problem in particular.
Catching Fire: A Translation Diary by David Hahn
Not Japanese, but this is a fly-on-the-wall perspective of a literary translator's process. I am absolutely obsessed with all the minutae of how other people translate: what programs do you use? How many stages of editing and how do you accomplish that editing? What do you do when you get stumped? I'm really excited to try Hahn's seat-of-your-pants first draft style when I attempt my next personal translation project, but I could read a million more of these books from other translators.
(Not a book, but) Anton Hur has several essays on his website about translation (though he is Korean to English of course), and one is about him using a similar technique.
Is That a Fish in Your Ear? Translation and the Meaning of Everything by David Bellos
This is a more general overview of translation and it's history, rather than a how to translate book, but it's fascinating nonetheless! And there are a few points I do apply to my own translation, like, when you don't know what the fuck the source is trying to say, maybe a literal translation is best.
(Also more not books but) there are several contests geared towards newbie J-E translators, and while the little boost to your resume and networking that comes with winning is nice and all, the real treasure is the judges' comments, which you don't even have to be a winner to access. Sometimes the translation issues they discuss may seem impenetrable unless you actually attempt the translation yourself but... The real secret is that nobody is stopping you from doing that. The source texts are often up in the open for anyone to peruse, along with the winning translations and judges' comments.
The JLPP is geared towards literature specifically, but the JAT contest is geared towards non-fiction essays. A lot of the same techniques and theories apply though, just with a different voice. Also I think this year's JAT should be starting soon (October). (Here's last year's JAT contest source text... The site is really hard to navigate though and everything is split across several pages.)
So that's a smattering of books and not books on translation, some about Japanese specifically and some not. But also don't sleep on the value of good writing foundations in your target language. Creative writing is also a valuable skill, and can also be picked up from textbooks, workshopping, reading good lit and analyzing what makes it good (and similarly for bad lit! I love seeing bad lit rewritten to be good), or even a quality writeblr advice post that may pop up on the dash (just not those endless lists of "words to use instead of said" etc. I promise you won't read those and a good dictionary/thesaurus will help you much more in the end).
What they don’t tell you about speaking multiple languages is that your brain does not in fact have a box labeled Spanish and another one labeled German. Instead it has a box labeled “Not English” and sometimes when you’re talking or writing in one of the languages you speak it will just start pulling random words from that box.
I just wrote down “Tengo eine Katze” and then put my head in my hands
I asked my supervisor - who has lived in Japan for 17 years, speaks fluent Japanese and reads Japanese documents/emails on a daily basis for work/general life (including helping us with complicated official paperwork) - how to read a fairly basic word (人物 - じんぶつ). He stared at it for a moment and was like, yeah I'm not actually 100% sure.
It's an N3 word btw, but those kanji are N4.
If someone who's fluent in Japanese and has lived in Japan for 17 years and is generally pretty interested in languages doesn't always remember how to read N3 vocab then you really don't need to kick yourself for not remembering all the kanji readings all the time.
CEFR Language learning levels
A1: can go grocery shopping probably maybe sort of
A2: can have very simple conversations with patient people
B1: can conversation usually mostly normally
B2: can talk about most things and possibly even argue
C1: sort of like a native speaker at this point-ish
C2: you went to college and possibly even paid attention
Not even all native speakers get to C2 in their language and I think most people don’t bother with that one
The gap between A2 and B1 will drive you insane btw it’s huge
Did you know that the english word “star” and the japanese word 星(ほし)don’t actually mean the same thing?
Language does not simply name pre-existing categories; categories do not exist in 'the world'
— Daniel Chandler, Semiotics for Beginners
I read this quote a few years ago, but I don’t think I truly understood it until one day, when I was looking at the wikipedia article for “star” and I thought to check the Japanese article, see if I could get some Japanese reading practice in. I was surprised to find that the article was not titled 「星」, but 「恒星」, a word I’d never seen before. I’d always learnt that 星 was the direct translation for “star” (I knew the japanese also contained meanings the english didn’t, like “dot” or “bullseye”, but I thought these were just auxiliary definitions in addition to the direct translation of “star” as in "a celestial body made of hydrogen and helium plasma").
To try and clear things up for myself, I searched japanese wikipedia for 星. It was a disambiguation page, with the main links pointing to the articles for 天体 (astronomical object) and スター(記号)(star symbol). There was no article just called 「星」.
It’s an easy difference to miss, because in everyday conversation, 星 and star are equivalent. They both describe the shining lights in the night sky. They both describe this symbol: ★. They even both describe those enormous celestial objects made of plasma.
But they are different - different enough to not share a wikipedia article. 星 is used to describe any kind of celestial body, especially if it appears shiny and bright in the night sky. “Star” can be used this way too (like Venus being called the “morning star”), but it’s generally considered inaccurate to use the word like this, whereas there is no such inaccuracy with 星. You can say “oh that’s not actually a star, it’s a planet”, but you CAN’T say 「実はそれは星ではなく惑星だよ」 (TL: that’s not actually a hoshi, it’s a planet). A planet IS a 星.
星 is a very common word, essentially equivalent to “star”, but its meaning is closer to “celestial body”. I haven’t looked into the etymology/history but it’s almost like both english and japanese started out with a simple, common word for the lights in the sky - star/星 , but as we found out more about what these lights actually were, english doubled down on using the common word for the specific scientific concept, while japanese kept the common word generic and instead came up with a new word for the more specific concept. If this is actually what happened, I’d guess that kanji probably had something to do with it - 星 as a component kanji exists inside the word for planet, 惑星, and in the word for comet, 彗星, and in the scientific word for “star”, 恒星, so it makes sense that it would indicate a more general concept when used standalone.
This discovery helped me understand that quote - categories don’t exist in the world, we are the ones who create them. I thought that the concept of “star” was something that would be consistent across all languages, but it’s not, because the concept of “star” is not pre-existing. Each language had to decide how to name each of those similar star-like concepts (the ★ symbol, hot balls of gas, twinkling lights in the sky, planets, comets, etc), and obviously not every language is going to group those concepts under the same words with the same nuance.
Knowing this, one might be tempted to say that 恒星(こうせい) is the direct translation for “star”. But this isn’t true either. In most of the contexts that the word “star” is used in english, the equivalent japanese will be simply 星. Despite the meanings not lining up exactly, 星 will still be the best translation for “star” most of the time. This is the art of translation - knowing when the particulars are less important than the vibe or feel of a word. For any word, there will never be an exact perfect translation with all the same nuances and meanings. Translation is about finding the best solution to an unsolvable problem. That's why I love it.
my summary:
星(ほし, hoshi)is usually used in Japanese for star, both the astronomical body and symbol ★
星 is used to describe any kind of celestial body, especially if it appears shiny and bright in the night sky, including planets.
a planet is always a 星 in japanese, while in English the concepts are separated, with exceptions as morning star for Venus.
星 as a component kanji in planet: 惑星, comet: 彗星, scientific word for star: 恒星
I'm pretty sure I've reblogged this before but I'm reblogging again because I want to add that in FF7 they refer to "the planet" as 星
crying laughing at this tweet bc theres like 50 japanese people in the qrts calling them a fucking moron
"don't try to justify your stupidity with a half-baked understanding of japanese"
literally crying 😭😭😭😭😭
For those who don't know, Japanese has a fuck ton of first person pronouns, and gender is only one of the many things they can communicate. They can also communicate a level of politeness, social hierarchy, and also the relationship between those involved in the conversation (and probably a ton of other shit). You don't just use one (although you could stick to one specifically, but to my understanding few people actually do this), you switch between them as needed based on these factors.
Here's an article about them that goes into more depth about this whole system that covers a lot of the more common ones and some of the less common ones, it's aimed at learners so it doesn't write them out phonetically in English/romaji, but it still might be helpful in trying to understand this whole system (that honestly makes trying to work out how to refer to yourself as a learner a little bit of a nightmare):
Japanese has more first-person pronouns than any other language. Learn your pronoun options and get out of that わたし rut.
I have a question for the greater Japanese language learning community.
What is something that you wish your learning materials would explain better/do better/differently? This could be anything you have found yourself going "Man I wish they did X instead of Y" or "Z would be so much easier than learning it like B." Anything at all. https://www.tumblr.com/new/ask/senchastudying Send them here or reblob this. Up to you.
Please reblob this so I can get a wider net of answers. Please and thank you. <3 Oh and happy October. 🎃
I am currently using Tobira Gateway to Advanced Japanese.
I feel like they drop grammar points as stand alone explanations for rote memorization, which doesn’t help me to understand the context of its components outside of that one use case and build on what I’ve already learned.
For example, one grammar point was presented as: Noun さえ Verb ば -> as long as Noun, Verb
This explanation was just something I accepted and memorized, until I was reading manga and saw さえ appear in a different context, once in which that grammar point’s explanation made no sense.
Luckily, I work with a native speaker tutor. I was already familiar with the conditional ば verb form, so she explained that さえ was an adverbial particle that changes the preceding noun to an emphatic adverb.
I think the textbook was more concerned with making sure the N3 grammar points are covered rather than imparting an actual understanding of the overall grammar structure of the language.
Here is the link! What an amazing idea ❤️
crying bc i wish there was one for japanese
You are in luck, apparently there is one: https://sail.helte.jp/guide/en
Thanks to @presumenothing for sharing it in the comments of the original post!
What a smashing idea! Sharing it for any friends who might be able to take part (or if they know people who’d be interested).
does anyone have any recs for native websites/apps (=not made for learners) that are fun to read? i’m not interested in the news....i’m considering getting a magazine subscription from honto but i figured i’d ask what ppl are reading before i decide for sure 🤔
my go-to is usually note, which is a big blogging website where people write about random stuff. there's a lot of different categories, personally i really enjoy the やってみた section since it's fun seeing what people tried doing (i saw someone write about how they made coffee out of acorns on a whim which was pretty funny), but there's also art, fashion, childraising, pets, travel, if there's a category for it they probably have it
はてなブログ is a similar blogging platform where people talk about random stuff too. i've used it less so i know less about it but there's some fun reads in there
アメーバ is another blogging platform but ive never been on it i just know it because it's kinda well-known
NHKハートネット (specifically the みんなの声 section) is a cool forum-like place where they ask people to share their experience with certain topics, usually about their 悩み, and people have very interesting stories to tell
青空文庫 is pretty famous so you mightve heard of it already but it's a big digital japanese library, it has a lot of classics and fables and stuff like that. i remember reading 走れメロス off there a while ago
this one's not quite the thing you'd read everyday but ひきこもり村 is a forum for ひきこもり and many of the posts (at least last time i looked) show a very human look into everyday people's lives and can be pretty philosophical
and this is just a gigantic archive of this one japanese counselor's online diary entries from 1999-2010 which i just find fascinating to sift through
also, this is a PS since it was mentioned in your original tags, but i was able to download the honto app and i dont live in japan?? i went to this link on my phone and downloaded it from there
anyway i'd be interested to see what other native sites/apps people use too! :>
wow thank you!!!! wow i'm so excited to go look at all of these omg....noteですぐ垢作っちゃうよw
Syosetsu: People publish their short stories on there and sometimes they even get published from what I have heard.
Pixiv might be most known for art but many also publish stories and short manga on there.
Tree-novel is similar to Syosetsu. People can publish their own writing, be it essays, short stories, novels, etc.
A Summer Day, a web novel, is no longer being updated since it was just extra content for the game Loop8 which came out in 2022 but might still be fun to read through. There are 27 chapters in total.
Two job-hunting resources that changed my life:
This cover letter post on askamanger.com. A job interview guide written by Alison Green, who runs askamanager.
Shout-out to @ms-demeanor for putting these on my dash again, I’d like to add this exceptional interview question “answer guide” that explains traps and “the best” way to answer over 64 common questions. I don’t know who to attribute it to, but here it is: PDF from tri valley one-stop career center.
Hey some of these answer templates helped J get an offer letter from her dream job; strongly recommend you read them if you’re job hunting
This graphic is fabulous. It represents a tiny crash course in rhetoric. Learn these things. Put them on your wall. Whisper them into the breeze. These are THINGS TO KNOW.