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Holo's Talents ~ Intro

I don't want to make this too long, but I wanted to actually talk about myself a bit instead of reblogging pro-endo and syscourse content.

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My name is Holo, collectively. I am a professionaly diagnosed mixed origin/traumawillo system. I've been diagnosed for quite some time, and only not very long ago did I actually do some deep diving into other origins that I figured out for myself. I'm also a ficto (fictophile), and my F/O is Bede. I'm completely SFW about it here because this is a more informational blog. I will mostly be focused around plurality anyways, not my soulbond (though I'm still okay with answering questions about it regardless, if anyone needs help).

What is mixed origin? - Mixed origin, or multigenic, is when a system, or other headmates, have different reasons as to why they formed. Not all mixed origin systems are a mix between endogenic and traumagenic, as those are VERY broad umbrella terms. There are many origins under traumagenic, and many under endogenic (AKA a lot of different trauma factors, and many non-trauma factors). A lot of disordered systems, if not almost all, are mixed origin without realizing it, they just have a variety of traumatic experiences that differentiate between each of their alters' formations.

In my case, I am primarily traumagenic. My system formed at the age of twelve due to my developmental and neurological disabilities, meaning I mentally grew up much slower, which made me more susceptible to developing DID later on in life than the average time range (which again, is the AVERAGE, not guaranteed to stay within the range).

I have alters, who I refer to as talents, that I have willed and formed non-traumagenically due to my experiences as a Native American who practices two-spirit, soulbonding, and manifestation. (If anyone attempts to insult me for the select few alters I have that are formed based on my culture as a minority, you WILL be called out. Do not tell me how my culture is supposed to work. I practice with family. I am registered in the Yaqui tribe. We practice two-spirit in a plural fashion.)

Who are some headmates you'll see most often? (Note: I will NOT be listing them all, especially the less active ones)

This is all information I'm okay with sharing and answering questions about. If you have real, genuine questions about mixed origin plurality, feel free to ask me anything whether anonymous or publicly! If you also don't understand these origin terms, most of them are trauma-based, PLEASE look it up before commenting any further.

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Honey - It/Its > Host > Body age (18) > Traumagenic

Vince/Venti - He/La/Strum/String/Lyre > Persecutor > Age Slider (15-300+) > Traumagenic + Stressgenic

Aspen/Aspire - She/Sheb/Sheep/Lamb > Protector > 21 > Cringegenic + Corruptiongenic

CyGoh - She/Glitch/AI/Ro/Robo > Food + Info Assistant > 30 > Edisgenic + Codegenic

Jasper Doe - He/Slice/Anon/Redacted > Debator > 23 > Bulligenic + Willogenic

YaTo - He/Xi > Psychosis Holder > 19 > Expectagenic + Pythogenic

Mika/KaMi- He/Him > Sexual Trauma Holder > 20 > PTSDgenic

Lyla/Lyna - She/They > Toxic Debator > 15 > Quoigenic + Spontaneous

Swift/Croft - He/Zomb/Candy > Mood Booster + Age Slider (17-23) > Quoigenic + Caffeogenic

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DNI (Everything OFF List is Free to INT)

Sysmedicalists + Anti-Endos

Cultural Discriminators

Radqueers

Anti-Radinclus

Anti-Alterhuman

Anti-Furry

Anti-Agere + Anti-Petre

Anti-Contradictory Labels

Anti-Xenoneogenders

Anti-Fiction

Nazis

Pro-Censorship

Pro-Harassment

Transphobics, Racists, Ableists, Sexists, Homophobics (T.R.A.S.H)

Pro-Contact and Neutral-Contact Paras

Pro-Fakeclaiming

Mental Disorder/Disability Fakers (TransDisabled/TransDisordered)

People DNI List Here

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Additional

I'm pro-endogenic with sources from the American Psychiatry Association, the ICD, the IFS, and other known studies. I know DID and OSDD are trauma disorders. I can read the criteria. Thank you.

[belovedofbede]

Rezcalls lore is DEEP...

Apparently he isn't real?

Recently in a google document that he has since deleted, he claims to be studying different communities as some "faux problematic person", and for the past few years, has been "studying" the system community. (THIS IS THE DOCUMENT I HAVE ARCHIVED)

He admits that he never had DID, and that Rezcalls as a whole is not a real person. That, or I'm misreading, and he simply saying that his system and headmates aren't real. You are allowed to comment on your own conclusions, mostly so that I can help with my own as well.

He's claiming that this is some sort of "social experiment" or "study" on the system community, however, I feel like this is just his way of running away from his problems and accusations. He has been proven to be sexually roleplaying with a minor a few years ago, and recently (less than a month ago) spoke sexually towards another minor who was 14 at the time he's 24-25. That's an entire DECADE below his age.

Along with this, there are other allegations from another user claiming that he's looking for system partners in non-18+ servers, meaning he's likely still seeking out children. HOWEVER, despite everything else having been proven through victims and screnshots from years prior, the allegation involving him seeking out children in 18- servers is not proven, so do not use this as evidence for his actions, until it is later proven to be true or false.

As of currently, he's still not coming forward about his genuine victims, "experiment" or not, and continues to run away from the harm he did to the system community, and especially me and my close friends. Me, JiJi (at the time he was host), Plainsboro and Broke Mirror Syndicate were all victims at the time he was on systok and spreading misinformation about complex dissociative disorders and RAMCOA. He has fakeclaimed us, pushed our trauma down, denied some of us as RAMCOA victims, and denied everything he did to his victims, besides a shitty google doc apology that he didn't even send to his victims.

Genuinely, to run away from your YEARS of wreaking havoc on a community by saying that it was all a social experiment, is insane. You have victims, whether what you did was fake or not, you still never came forward and apologized. You remain denying EVERYTHING despite even large platforms like the COLLECTIVE OF EDEN calling you out.

Accept it, you are a predator. You have child victims. You are faking a dissociative disorder where you claimed to have a PEDOPHILE ALTER, while also calling endogenic systems delusional fakers. There's a line you HAVE to draw between being "a social experiment" and a disgusting, terrible person.

You are fake, but your victims are real.

[belovedofbede]

https://www.tumblr.com/belovedofbede/800159440877830144/people-arent-invalidating-the-whole-thing-bc-of?source=share

Not the same anon here. I'm a RAMCOA/OEA programming survivor. This anon has sent this kind of thing to other survivors, so I'm suspicious of if this is really in good faith, along with anon getting upset that survivors themselves use programmed as an identifier. I do want to call attention to how anon doesn't suggest TBMC or DBMC. "Mind Control" is really just an alternative term for conditioning in RAMCOA contexts. The idea that it seems "too evil to be real" is so strange when you look at real history. The catholic church used to run laundries for indentured servitude and many children died and were buried in mass graves. There was a serial murderer in aparthied South Africa that we know was involved in at least 100 shootings and would openly talk about "hunting" black men, and the cops covered for him. We don't actually know how many victims he had, because many were in unmarked graves and the police were not interested in keeping records well enough to make it clear it was his every time. When something sounds "too evil to be real" to someone, that's a pretty clear sign that someone has been sheltered from the worst of history. That doesn't mean everything extremely upsetting is real, but defining what abuse is real or not based on someone's own comfort with reality and things "sounding real" ignores how frankly batshit a lot of historical things sound when documented and talked about as real. If some random person told me that Volkswagen as a company had at one point worked with the military dictatorship in Brazil at one point and involved themselves with slave labor in the country, I wouldn't have believed them without evidence since it sounds so absurd on the surface. (Behind the Bastards has good episodes on all three topics as a primer for research.)

The ISSTD isn't blameless. But also a lot of the people who claim that RAMCOA overall is a conspiracy theory or delegitimized by conspiracy theories existing that are about a cartoon supervillain version of real things actually end up spreading conspiracy theories of their own about "false memories" and professionals "implanting" fake memories or alters in patients. Those claims come from the FMSF and Grey Faction, both pseudoscientific political machines with interests in removing DID from the DSM and protecting abusers. The FMSF even had people on the board of the organization who had ties to groups that promoted the idea that children could consent to relationships with adults. If someone cannot criticize the ISSTD without recycling pseudoscience from smear campaigns designed to make survivors sound insane and not worthy of listening to about what they experience or believe they have experienced, they need to reconsider their entire basis first.

I do wish people would stop assuming all survivors 100% back the ISSTD or every word from every person in RAMCOA/OEA spaces. I underwent AIW programming. I read what Svali says about it, and it is not my experience with it. Some things overlap, but not other things. That overlap is largely due to the common script used. No, not all groups have access to many locations, many actors, and a ton of resources: it's probably more like you're dressing up with a child and traumatizing them into behaving as you want, using props and acting. It makes sense for a child to think they're seeing organs at the table if you know how to make prop food, for example. Some kids are actually exposed to seeing things like that via trafficking or abuse since mere exposure to that can be traumatizing itself.

TDLR: The idea that programming doesn't exist because of it being a conspiracy theory buys into the idea that the conspiracy theory (universal, interconnected organized abuse that can be applied to all victims with the same cues, trauma, etc) is actually what people are claiming. Conspiracies are real at times, they're just a lot more mundane in reality than people wish they were. (See: The conspiracy theory that the US government has alien technology largely comes from people not knowing about new technology that the military was developing, and not being able to recognize it since it wasn't public information then. And then the government did fuck with one guy and make him believe that he was communicating with aliens because the poor guy was a concerned citizen and reported data of their own secret testing flights to them as potential national security issues.) If something seems "too evil" or "too absurd" to be potentially real, crack open a history book. You'll see a lot of stuff that may sound like both options but did really happen.

Thanks so much for all of this. I'll be sure to do some more digging and get more viable info through these discussions as well.

The way you explained everything is on point and very understandable, and your trauma as a RAMCOA victim is entirely valid, from one myself. We're all proud of how far you've come, and the insane amount of information you're providing.

I can't currently discuss further into all of these points due to lateness (currently 1 AM basically), but if I ever feel the need to add on or look through these even deeper, I'll be sure to just say more in the comments.

I guess I'm saying my answer to this AMA is more like a reblog. Speechless, in a good way. Again, thanks for this information.

[belovedofbede]

My only thing is that I hate how it’s called “mind control”.

Maybe I’m misinterpreting the literature out there. But I feel like it’s just trauma responses. Like, conditioned trauma responses. Extreme ones, mind you. Due to the extreme nature of the trauma involved. But not different in inherent structure to other trauma responses. And especially not different in inherent structure to other trauma responses from forms of abuse that don’t exactly qualify as RAMCOA.

Calling it “mind control”, a term I associate more with comic books (I read too many comics ig, sue me), feels like it’s giving abusers far too much power and credit. None of this is “mystical” or “superhuman”. It’s stuff entirely within normal human capabilities as long as said humans happen to be morally bankrupt. Why give it a name that evokes superpowers?

“Mind control” is just trauma responses. “Programs” are just trauma responses. That’s it. That’s all it is.

Interesting point, I actually do agree in a good faith way! I think that mind control by its definition 100% exists, it's just the word choice itself. When I hear the term "mind control", it does feel a bit more "cartoon villain-y" than it sounds genuinely detrimental to someone. I'm guessing it was called mind control just to make the abbreviation (RAMCOA) more pronounceable, but even so, I think it should still be authentic to show how badly it affects someone for the rest of their life.

It could've been psychological repetition, or repetition abuse, anything that makes it sound just as bad as it really is. Mind control sounds a bit less drastic and more "softening the blow", I can admit to that.

RAMCOA is RAMCOA though, I highly doubt they'll change it unless everyone bands together to do, which obviously won't happen (lightheartedly).

[belovedofbede]

people aren't invalidating the whole thing bc of one part they don't like. alter programming is a conspiracy theory stemming from project monarch, which is a far right conspiracy theory that perpetuates a lot of profoundly harmful misinformation and bigotry. that's why people don't like the term. it's not impossible to talk about abuse without the term ramcoa? cults still exist. a lot of people talk about being cult survivors or trafficking survivors. the word torture exists. csa as a term exists. creature-wizard on tumblr has a lot of really excellent posts about why this conspiracy theory is dangerous and why the terminology associated is deeply harmful. people just get too defensive and reactionary to ever listen when this is pointed out and people trying desperately to combat this conspiracy theory get called abuse deniers even though many of us are ourselves survivors who have seen people fall into really awful qanon type conspiracy spaces because of this.

I understand that the root of the term is bad, the ISSTD is extremely disgusting and actively does harm to victims of this form of abuse, however, a term can still be reclaimed, or used because it does contain real experiences that victims go through. You can call yourself a RAMCOA victim without supporting ISSTD, including me.

RAMCOA is so much more than programming though, and each abbreviation (Mind Control, Ritual Abuse, and Organized Abuse) has many forms of abuse underneath each of them. I myself am not programmed so I do not get to have a say on the validity of it, but I am under multiple of those umbrellas trauma-wise, that of which I will never speak up on since it's extremely touchy, and I still need time to recover.

I'm not saying you HAVE to use the term RAMCOA, that's insensitive and obviously should be a term someone should only use if it makes them comfortable, like me, for example. However, RAMCOA itself is not a conspiracy, because again, it's too broad to fit into one box. There are many forms of mind control, many forms of ritual abuse, and many forms of organized abuse.

I'm saying RAMCOA as a general term, not in the form of C-DID, HC-DID or PF-DID systems. Not all victims of RAMCOA are systems, and that's something that should also be talked about. Repetition compulsion doesn't always lead to systemhood, but is a form of mind control. Sex trafficking doesn't either, but is a form of organized abuse. Being in a cult doesn't always lead to systemhood, but is a form of ritual abuse. If someone went through all three of those, they have a right to refer to themself as a RAMCOA victim. That should be something they can use if it describes them best, especially if, whether the root of the term is bad or not, that's what the term means.

When I talk about RAMCOA, I'm not just referring to systems. In fact, I want to acknowledge the fact that not all victims of RAMCOA end up being systems.

I am sorry my phrasing was toned as if I was calling other victims "abuse deniers", that was not my intention whatsoever, and if I made it sound that way, that's completely my fault.

[belovedofbede]

‘What if LGBTQIA+ was instead LGBTQIAR+ for radqueer?’ ????? what if the moon was made of cheese? like that’s a nonsensical comparison. I simply wouldn’t say the R. people do this with pedophiles already, trying to say they’re part of the community, and we all just go ‘absolutely not’ and proceed as normal. because language matters.

I'm anti-radqueer, and that was exactly my point.

RAMCOA is still a thing even if you don't believe in one part, just like how you can still say LGBTQIA+ if, in some universe, there was an R added to it for Radqueer. I think, if you could read through what I was saying in it's entirety, you'd understand that my point was that RAMCOA is an umbrella term for numerous forms of abuse, like cults, trafficking, religious abuse, hypnosis circles, grooming circles, and so much more. Just because you don't believe in, let's say programming, you can still believe in all the other forms of abuse under Mind Control, Organized Abuse, and Ritual Abuse.

Programming isn't the only form of mind control. Repetition compulsion and trauma reenactment are forms of mind control, it'll still exist as a term even if programming, under mind control, wasn't a thing. Mind control, ritual abuse, and organized abuse will still exist as a whole, because they're too broad of terms to simply dislike one single thing under them, and then deny all of it in its entirety.

That wasn't meant to be a pro-radqueer take, that was simply saying that you can deny the existence of something under a larger umbrella, but that umbrella still exists and always will.

Note: I do edit my posts a lot, please spare some patience, because I often get ideas or better ways to reword after I post.

[belovedofbede]

Discussing RAMCOA Deniers

TW FOR RAMCOA TALK

What is RAMCOA?

Ritual Abuse (RA): A mix between emotional, physical, and/or sexual abuse that follows a specific, ritualistic pattern and is used to control the victim's behavior and thoughts. This often comes in the form of a religious, spiritual, or political belief system to justify the actions and further manipulate the victim.

Mind Control (MC): Extreme psychological manipulation, often through torture, conditioning, and programming, to create dependency and loyalty to the abusive group and to cause the victim to develop specific psychological responses, like repetition compulsion.

Organized Abuse (OA): Abuse that is conducted in an organized fashion by multiple perpetrators working together with a specific goal, such as human trafficking rings, cults, or other groups.

If YOU believe you are going through RA, MC or OA, please head to these links: Ritual Abuse Counseling Safe Haven / Organized Abuse Counseling

Additional note: I do not support the ISSTD organization and their actions, they do internal harm to victims of RAMCOA, but that shouldn't demean said victims and make them into bad people. Victims are victims, and remain victims.

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I see a lot of people denying all of RAMCOA simply because they don't believe in one part of it, most commonly programming, and coming from someone who has been in a cult, it's only pushing us down even further.

I would prefer to talk about my experiences in a later post, but just to clarify, the space I was in never called itself a cult, it was a community. However, I have seen the red flags now that I'm out of it, and I can call it what it is: a cult.

Sure, you're allowed to not believe in something if you don't think it's true or possible, but you should be able to add some nuance when it comes to an umbrella term. What if LGBTQIA+ was instead LGBTQIAR+ for radqueer? Obviously, you can be capable of invalidating, or not believing in radqueer ideology, while still understanding every other sexuality and identity label, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning, intersex, and aroace/abrosexual/agender.

The same should apply to victims of RAMCOA who still use the full umbrella term as a way to find a community with more victims. You can believe that programming doesn't exist (though I personally believe it does), but what about those who were in human trafficking rings, cults, hypnosis groups, grooming circles, and so on? RA, MC and OA are all umbrella terms that dive into so much more than just programming, so why are we invalidating the whole thing because you simply dislike one? I genuinely cannot bring myself to process that kind of mindset.

[belovedofbede]

Sysmed Rhetoric = (Often) Cultural Bigotry?

I feel like a lot of anti-endo/sysmed rhetoric really dances between the lines of "endos are delusional", and "cultural practices involving plurality are just full of delusional people".

So many anti-endos I see don't realize that endogenic is not a descriptor for a type of person, it's an umbrella term under plurality, a descriptor under a descriptor, essentially.

Endos are not these thieves that go around plucking disorders and claiming to have them without trauma, endogenic is strictly any and all forms of plurality without trauma as the primary cause. That includes spiritual pluraluty.

If you say you hate all endos, you hate ALL endos. BIPOC endos, cultural endos, two-spirited endos, tulpamancy, indigenous cultural endos, minorities upon minorities that have practiced plurality with spirituality for centuries, before our grandparents were even born.

If you explain to someone what endogenic actually means, and they still invalidate it, then say it like it is, say it like you mean it: THAT IS CULTURAL DISCRIMINATION AND CULTURAL RACISM.

Note: As I have stated in my introduction, I am registered in the Yaqui tribe, and me and my family practice two-spirit as a form of plurality. This is me speaking from personal experience, having had systems call me and my family delusional, said my culture was mocking them, and that my experiences are fake (despite me - separately - being a diagnosed system). Never in my life have I claimed that MY family's practice of two-spirited plurality meant I wanted DID or OSDD, myself having DID I have ALWAYS separated my disorder from my spirituality, I am simply practicing with my family. I would also like to clarify that not all two-spirits are plural. Yes, my family practices it that way, but that does NOT apply to all Natives, please be aware.

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Anti endo/fakeclaimer in tags

rezcalls

The REZCALL System !!!

Bodily 24 !!! Diagnosed DID system of 30+ alters.

[belovedofbede]

People DNI, Because I'm Stealing Post Ideas **COUGH**

People I want to not interact with my account and why. Everyone mentioned will be more well-known (at least on certain social media platforms), not niche little accounts that had zero impact on anyone but me.

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Horridlillies - Minor who's persona is an adult worker in a bunny outfit, called me heinous words for being a gachikoi with a Pokémon character, harasses and fakeclaims close friends and systems who use OSDD1a and 1b labels, along with non-disordered plurality as a whole.

Red/Rot - Anti-endo, sysmed, calls Native Americans delusional, openly culturally discriminatory against spiritual beliefs involving plurality, and shuts away minorities.

Skiiuwu - Minor who endorses self-harm and encourages others to send SH in her discord server.

Brave - Runs Camp B.R.A.V.E, is a pedophile and active groomer who's running a discord server (SA ring) with minors under 13 and adults over 40.

Rezcalls/AkaDreamie - Groomed minors, sex RP'd with a 13 and 15 year old, uses the n slur despite being white, culturally discriminatory of two-spirit and spiritual plurality, pro-fakeclaiming despite constantly switching between having DID and OSDD, admitted to faking DID in two separate Reddit posts, used the phone number of someone who lost a cat in order to text adult workers, and is transphobic and anti-alterhuman.

Pillowfortsystem - Anti-endo, overall not my type of content creator, I find them personally annoying (no hate).

The Raven System - Neutral-contact radqueer, has attempted to follow me on multiple social media platforms.

Vin/Youretripleblocked - Sysmedicalist and transmedicalist, endorses harassment and SH threats, encourages EDs and death threats towards people he hates, called me heinous words, and uses Nazi dogwhistles and Epstein as jokes.

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If you support a blog called "akadreamie" get the fuck off of my account. They're a fucking racist and anti neopronouns/xenogenders (AKA transphobe and ableist) Plus im pretty sure I've seen someone say they're a groomer but I gotta check that one again.

TW for suibaiting

[wired-arteries]

Evidence for plurality outside of DID is NOT hard to come across.

The existence of multiple selves in normality, spirtuality and also in other disorders that arent just DID are pretty well studied. Here are a few sources that I found just today and im sure by reading these texts yourself and by following up on the references cited within them, you can find even more evidence. btw, definitely do not use z-library or sci-hub to access these sources if they are paywalled.. thatd be just awful...

On Multiple Selves, By David Lester This book is fantastic for talking about plurality not just in DID but in many different situations. It mentions the theories of dozens of psychologists which include the experience plurality-- not just in DID or pathology --showing that this subject IS well studied. A lot of these experiences and theories are remarkably similar to what endogenic systems commonly purport online as I will show in screenshots below. Even though there are screenshots i implore you to access this resource yourself, it's great and has so many different viewpoints on this subject.

Handbook of psychiatric measures (2nd edition., pages 587–599). by American Psychiatric Publishing, Inc. Description: This resource is specifically on psychiatric measurement tools and diagnostic tools, but mentions DID and non pathological forms of plurality briefly. note "e.g." means EXAMPLE not the only possible experience of non-pathological dissociation.

Moreira-Almeida A, Neto FL, Cardeña E. Comparison of brazilian spiritist mediumship and dissociative identity disorder. J Nerv Ment Dis. 2008 Description: Studies about mediumship and a comparsion to those with DID, note that mediumship is being studied as a psychological dissociative phenomenon here and not particularly as a solely religious one, they are considering psychological explainations & factors. It is stated literally "there is empirical evidence that nonpathologic dissociative and mediumistic states have occured throughout history and in most societies". Though mediumship is often a spiritual experience I think the underlying psychological causes can be studied and equated to non-pathological/non-traumagenic plurality.

Lewis-Fernández, R. (1998). A cultural critique of the DSM-IV dissociative disorders section. Transcultural Psychiatry, 35(3), 387–400. Description: Addresses concerns that the DSM-IV criteria for DID does not properly address non-pathological dissociation considered a part of normality in many cultures. Here it mentions that in some cultures dissociation in rituals and practices is normal and not pathological. I believe that this same view could also be applied to types of western endogenic plurality, as these also could be influenced by cultural factors as a form of dissociation that is not pathological. I would like to see more research specifically into western endogenic plurality!

If you want papers directly stating "Endogenic plurality is real & DID isnt the only way to experience it" there just probably isnt any. I dont think many of these researcher even know of online communities and our terms, but there is LOTS of research into plurality outside of DID & pathology, you just have to look for it and fit it to your use-case. A lot of these are talking about spiritual and cultural experiences, this doesnt mean they arent real or arent based on underlying actual psychological experience, and most these studies/articles are specifically focusing on the psychological aspect. Mediumship is a common example of non-pathological dissociative experience, mainly because its more known and well studied, but I believe studies on western endogenic plurality would likely have similar studies. Nonetheless it does confirm that non-pathological & non-traumagenic dissociative experiences have led to plurality-like experiences, at least in some cultures around the world.

[sophieinwonderland]

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!