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just found out that person is like 16 so... nope I’m outtie
I’m wondering how many people this actually pissed off. Also im happy that asexuals got some rep! It feels good 💜🖤
I’m def an exclusionist but I thought this was nice. Aces deserve support and recognition but,. They aren’t inherently lgbt
exclusionists: ace people need to make their own spaces
ace person: okay, here’s an idea for an ace focused space where-
exclusionists:
Literally when did this happen
If anything I’m
Highkey ready for y’all to stop invading the lgbt community
no offense but we as the lgbt community shouldn’t be gatekeeping in fucking 2018. we shouldn’t decide who is welcome and who is not. (with the exception of like maps/terfs etc, they are trash and do not belong in our community.) aces and aros are lgbt unless they specifically choose to not identify as such. even if they’re het-romantic aces or heterosexual aros, who are cis. even if they’re acearo. even if they’re demisexual/demiromantic and cishet. they’re still fucking lgbt unless they choose not to be. intersex people are lgbt, even if they identify with their “assigned” gender at birth, unless they choose not to identify as lgbt. we need to stop fucking gatekeeping and saying that “unless you’re trans and/or attracted to the same gender you’re not lgbt” because being lgbt is not about what you identify as or who you’re attracted to, it’s about how you experience your gender and sexual/romantic attraction. if you’re ace? congratulations, you experience sexual attraction differently than a “cishet” person! you’re lgbt! if you’re aro? congratulations, you experience romantic attraction differently than a “cishet” person! you’re lgbt! if you’re acearo, you’re lgbt! if you’re demisexual or demiromantic, you’re lgbt! if you’re intersex (and choose to identify as lgbt, i know it’s a touchy subject for some intersex and not all of them consider themselves lgbt), congratulations, you experience gender differently from “cishet” people! you’re lgbt! it’s not about who you’re attracted to, it’s about how you experience attraction. it’s not about what you identify as, it’s about how you experience gender. that’s what lgbt is and we need to stop fucking gatekeeping the lgbt community in fucking 2018.
“because being lgbt is not about what you identify as or who you’re attracted to”
I hate to break it to you chief but that is literally exactly what the lgbt community is about
Literally the entire “ace discourse” at this point is aphobes just typing out random words, peppering some social justice terms in between , framing it as a “hot take” and just hoping for the best . What the fuck does above post even mean.
Can....can you read?
If you’re ace and think that you “being denied relationships” because of that is discrimination you have more in common with incels than LGBT people
The funniest thing about exclusionism and ace discourse is that literally 3/4th of the identities in the LGBT+ acronym were not considered deserving of being included in the LGBT+ community at different points throughout history by whichever group who considered themselves the only deserving member of the LGBT+ community. 3/4th of the identities had to fight to be included in the LGBT community against exclusionists who used similar arguments as ace exclusionists use these days against the inclusion of asexual people in the LGBT+ community.
So ace exclusionists,whenever you think you are being any way smart,logical or better than the stupid inclusionists tumblarians because u dont think asexuality is a valid identity or that ace people dont belong in the LGBT+ community, remember that at a particular point in history, there were other exclusionists who considered themselves as smart,logical n intellectual as you consider yourself when they said that “lesbians dont belong in the same community as gays” .
There were terfs who considered themselves as smart,logical n intellectual as you consider yourself when they thought/think that trans people had no place in the LGBT community .
There were biphobes who considered themselves as smart,logical n intellectual as you consider yourself when they said “bi people are het if they arent dating ppl of opposite gender n dont belong in the LGBT community “ or ”bi ppl dont get killed for being bi n have laws against them so they arent oppressed so they dont belong in the LGBT+ community”.
You arent the first one to come up with these “hot takes”.They have always been circulating around,just among the bigoted circles which you are against right now lol
calling a group including lots of trans and bi people transphobes and biphobes and acting like telling cishets to get out of the LGBT community is oppression is woke!
Congrats op for the most ahistorical post about the lgbt community
You are the one being ahistorical here buddy.If you really think all gay ,lesbian bi and trans people came together and danced in a happy circle holding hands since the dawn of time until the evul aceys “invaded” their happy times then you are fucking wrong lmfao
Nobody is saying that, but maybe provide sources for your claims. Like pamphlets from prides in the past that talked about identities, or protests, or legal disputes or polls or studies. Maybe don’t just say things that might be true but also might not be because there’s not a gay council that decides what’s valid.
Terfs aren’t exclusively lesbians/bi women, there’s straight terfs too and it’s kinda fishy you think TERFs are only LGB and somehow are justa part of the community and have been around for decades. That really, really worries me that you think that or at the very least imply that.
Trans people, more specifically trans women, built our community, especially those who live in the states. Check yourself.
Again, can’t tell me that someone out there hasn’t done that.
If you are hetero romantic, you! Are! Straight!
no, because you’re fucking ASEXUAL as in NOT HETEROSEXUAL
to be Straight, you need to be BOTH heterosexual AND heteroromantic
here is a helpful diagram
[image description: two circles that don’t touch anywhere. one is labelled ‘heterosexual’ another is labelled 'asexual’.]
the circles, you’ll notice, don’t touch. because you can’t be both Straight (heterosexual & romantic) and asexual. they are mutually exclusive.
saying that ace people, or aro people, or aroace people, are straight due to their LACK of sexual attraction, is pushing heteronormativity. which, it turns out, fucks up the lives of lgb+ people as well.
nice job shooting yourself in the foot, asshole
By this logic there would be no such thing as a gay ace. You can’t have it both ways. Being ace is a modifier, it doesn’t nullify your other identities. If you’re aroace, you’re aroace. If you’re homoromantic and ace, you’re gay and ace. If you’re het romantic and ace.. you’re straight and ace. Sorry! Being straight isn’t a bad thing idk why y’all are so opposed to calling yourself what you are
Am I like.... fucked up for being put off when people I’ve known to be gay for years start dating dudes? Is THIS heterophobia?
I will never understand why trans guys sign up for Her and lesbian tinder.... like I’ve seen so many binary trans guys who are on T and are out and established on lesbian dating apps and I’m just like ???????
funny to me how any claim that corrective rape is a lesbian term is immediately shut down by inclusionists but I've seen muuuuultiple posts where they claim that cishet aces can't possibly be cishet because that was a phrase invented by trans women to describe a specific type of person...... as if lesbians didn't create the term "corrective rape" with a specific type of assault in mind????
also forgive me for not taking inclusionists seriously when almost every time someone asks for a source they compile a list of 30 tumblr posts.... I'm sorry but quoting your 15 yr old friend from Minnesota is not a source ladies... I'm looking for PEER 👏🏻 REVIEW
and the very few who have included actual studies never show the results based on gender or based on romantic attraction and that makes me feel like they're obfuscating shit. like if you cite something that says 95% of ace people have PTSD I'm also gonna need to know how many of those people were trans or gay and how many of them are women and how many of them were poor or black or disabled or immigrants because NINETY FIVE PERCENT is fucking INSANE considering it's like 60% for LGBT people
I am grey ace.. and a lesbian........ and had formerly identified as aromantic for two yeArs before I figured out I just liked women and I am Sick and Tired of people speaking to me like I'm an ignorant bigot because I don't think cishet aces are LGBT..
inclusionists really think that the only reason people push back against them is because they're uninformed. I'm PART OF THE COMMUNITY! I don't hate ace people! I know the terms and the struggles and how misinformed people are about the ace community.. But if you're cis and romantically attracted exclusively to people of the opposite sex........... you are a cishet. It's unbelievable to me how many nu-kweers are out here trying to change the meaning of established terms, trying to say that cishet only applies to people who are cis and heteroSEXUAL.... I'm like ok so y'all think aromantic cishets don't belong in the community then??
like I'm sorry but the LGBT community is not solely about being "outside of the norm", it's a community made up of people with a shared cultural history, shared systematic oppression, shared political goals etc etc etc and as a cishet person you aren't a part of that in the same way that an LGBT person is! Like.. cishet aces are more than welcome to come to pride and go to drag shows and whatever else, but you don't get to call yourself LGBT and you definitely don't get to speak over actual LGBT people or re-write our histories or demand us to center you in our community discussions...
I cannot stand when people minimize marriage equality like.. yes of course that isn't our only and biggest struggle but like the whole reason we started fighting for it was because people couldn't visit their sick and dying partners in the hospital back during the aids crisis... it's not about the ceremony it's about the legal implications of being married
anyway it's 5:30am and I got 4 hrs of sleep tonight so I'm gonna go ahead and log tf off this hellsite but before I go I'd to leave y'all with this easy litmus test to determine whether or not you are LGBT....
are you cis? If no, you're LGBT
are you attracted to your own gender, or multiple genders? If yes, you're LGBT
that's it.
anyways telling exclusionists to shut up about ace discourse, even during pride month, is silencing us. telling exclusionists we don’t belong at pride but cishet aces do is prioritizing LGBT oppressors. last but not least, including the ace flag in your pride posts but not the rainbow or lesbian flag is homophobic. thanks for coming to my TED talk
Ace History Day! Please click the links if you want to more clearly see the posts.
Time to Learn about The History of “The A” and AVEN’s Response to that:
On May 11th 2003, AVEN User whirlygirl suggested “hi group, if we could add an ‘A’ to the end of the LGBT, we could help add ourselves to the list minority groups.” Implying at that point in history (over a decade after LGBT as an acronym came into existence), there was no “A for Aro/Ace”
3 Hours Later, David Jay brags about how at his school, he got the A included and in a really “cool” way!! He put f*g in the acronym, with “asexual” (not aro) as the A! He also included BDSM in the community, just cause. What a cool dude.
Hours later during the morning of the next day, AVEN User VivreEstEsperer, Kate, tells him, hey, the a is already for allies, isn’t that confusing. This comment implies that, wow, the A really WAS for allies before this mess. Strange?? Almost… as if there’s a long history of allies being in the acronym.
Over 12 hours later, David Jay acknowledges the importance of Allies but says they don’t go under the A! Allies are Q for Queer because allies ~queer heteronormativity.
Days later, Kate is confused. “ What do you mean, out to mess with heteronormativity? I know what the term means but Im confused as to what you mean by it, in this context. You’re, and most of us on this board, an ally yourself… you’re not gay but still ally yourself with the “gay cause” and such, its the next best thing to having an asexual movement and all. So how can you say you dont exist? did you mean by that statement that all allies are not heterosexual? cus that certainly wouldnt be true. *confused* Kate”
David Jay does not reply to her pointing out that David Jay is just an ally. Awkward. Time passes, even more ace folk chime in on the then growing debate and admit, “The A is for Ally, the LGBT community doesn’t even know we exist. Just change the acronym to GRSM or Mogai.”
Over a Decade after the original thread, in 2015, GLAAD launches the twitter campaign #GotYourBack saying “A is for Allies,” encouraging allies to actually support LGBT folk. Ironically enough, it calls out people uncomfortable with LGBT PDA and asks them to do something about it. AVEN responds in horror and starts the #GiveItBack campaign, a controversial move not everyone agreed with. GLAAD gave in after a couple days of harassment and issued a statement, which AVEN commented on. Everyone there is convinced that the A has always been for Asexual. Only now it’s not just Asexual, it’s also for Aromantic and Agender too.
What a leap ten years can do! It progressed so much they accused an LGBT community of STEALING the A and making it about Allies. Amazing!!
Started from recognizing that The A is for Ally, now we’re acting like that never happened.
Never forget that David Jay and the Ace community once acknowledged that the A is for Allies but decided, a decade later, to act like the A was stolen from.
Turns out, The A was for Ahistorical all along.