“You just wait sunshine, you just wait...”

[wreyeder]

I want you guys to know this shit not only makes my life better and easier, and consequently makes me like you more, but WAY MORE IMPORTANTLY could literally save someone's life.

Yes, eye strain sucks. Yes migraines are painful. Yes seizures are miserable. But every single epileptic seizure, to a very small but very much not zero degree, can just kill you. Seizures are horrible and dangerous - with aspiration and head trauma to take into account as well. Even if it's "not that much flashing" or it's "not that long" or "it's only a seizure" or whatever kind of excuse you may want to make - PLEASE think about photosensitive users when you interact with media

Anything with

Rapid change between different colors

Rapid change between light and dark frames

Anything that causes the value of the screen to change very majorly very quickly

Anything very color intensive/stressful for the eyes

Needs to be tagged with things like "flashing lights" "strobing" "eye strain" etc - NOT tags such as "photosensitive" or "epilepsy" bc we use those tags for our community

Please and thank you

[fladurblegon]

“What if poor people abuse the system?”

The system intrinsically abuses poor people.

Hope this helps.

[breninarthur]

"What if poor people abuse the system?"

Rich people abuse the system far more and out of pure greed, not necessity or desperation so idrc about that

[basil-mage]

Endless cycle

[undying-princess]

knowing how it tends to go with male authors and their wives it was probably marge who wrote the odyssey

[fandomsandfeminism]

Odysseus fucking name dropping the Bronze Age is like Leonardo De Vinci writing in his journal "wow what a beautiful day here in the Italian Renaissance. I sure am pleased to be experiencing The High Renaissance period"

It's just so fucking stupid.

Like.

[pantsmadeofgold]

I hear "this is the end of the information age" constantly when AI is brought up. Is it really the most unbelievable fact that someone would call their own age based on the most used material. Also Homer wrote well into the iron age, bronze weaponry had not been used for like 400 years already. He would have known about the Bronze age collapse. Also the Renaissance is the french term for Rinascita (rebirth in italian) which was in fact used during the Renaissance. It was a term for the age invented by Giorgio Vasari. Like where do you think we got the term from. Check his Wikipedia page. Leonardo De Vinci was just early, but Michelangelo could literally have historically said "wow what a beautiful day here in the Italian Renaissance. I sure am pleased to be experiencing The High Renaissance period" Except you know he didn't speak english so the florentine equivalent of that.

[fandomsandfeminism]

The term "Bronze Age" was first used in 1836.

And while Homer (or, you know, whatever collection of scribes wrote down the Epic Cycle whom we collectively call Homer) may have had a general concept of the Bronze Age Collapse (kind of. Archaic Greeks would know about palace ruins, and may have had a concept that many great civilizations had been lost in the recent past. Theres really only 1 mention of *writing* in the Iliad, and its...pretty amiguous. So its not even super clear is Homer realized that people in the Mycenean period had written language), the character of Odysseus definitely did not.

The homeric Odyssey isn't about the Bronze Age Collapse and its themes do not represent an anxiety about the degeneracy and decline of Greek Culture, and if we are going to assess Nolan's film on the rubric of "are concepts, themes, and terminology something that Homer would have used or recognized", we would be here all day. (Theres not even really an Archaic Greek word for "Veteran" in the same way we do, or in the same way its used in the film. Odysseus, a man still fit for battle, would never apply the term to himself) But I don't think thats a particularly fair way to assess the film.

As for my comparison to De Vinci, who died before Vasaris book- Vasari used the term "rebirth" to describe the shift in art styles, and it wouldn't be used to describe the entire cultural era until the 1850s. So, Michelangelo likely wouldn't have thought he was having a great day in the Italian Renaissance either, honestly. Though he might have felt like his art was part of the artistic revival at the time.

Yes, WE, modern people with modern concepts about history, talk about living in the Information Age. We are very used to dividing up history into discreet eras, often to the point of oversimplification, to compare eras to each other, to try to find cause and effect in our progression from one to the next. It's a concept clearly, Nolan finds very interesting.

It also nearly sent me into a fit in the movie because it's just Nolan breaking the forth wall and saying to the camera "This movie is actually about the decline of the American empire because of the loss of traditional values".

And it's just part of the whole contradiction of the film. The insistence on REAL ancient instruments and Hathaway learning to weave on a REAL ancient loom and pretense of gritty realism, while simultaneously being an incredibly modern American War Guilt movie with inconsistent costume design, name dropping the Bronze Age Collapse. It's clunky and awkward at best.

[pantsmadeofgold]

To start off, i'm a bit sorry. I saw the movie and liked it, then i unfortunately open tumblr and saw a bunch of people who had not watched the movie make the dumbest comments ever. Yours was just the final one i saw. I was stewing a bit when i wrote, now i have taken a nap and feel better. I can also see that you have actually watched the movie.

The movie is written for a modern audience, so it's in english, it uses the term greek instead of a more historically accurate term such as "aegean", bronze age instead of mycenaean period and a incorporates a lot of more contemporary beliefs about greek history. The trojan horse is not mentioned at all in the illiad and only has like 5 lines in the odyssey where it is only described as a siege engine which probably means a siege tower. The trojan horse being a specific ploy by the "greeks" to sneak in is an invention by Virgil in 1st century bc, 300-ish years after Homer. Sinon who was also used in the movie is another one by virgil. The armor is also more roman styled. The theme of odyssey's feeling sad because he broke laws of honor also very roman, romans had a tendencies of calling Odysseus a coward for not fighting head on and using to much trickery. Nolan should just have called the movie Ulysses to be honest. It would have been better.

Here is my opinion i did not like either the original illiad or the odyssey. Why? Everyone is a slave owner and glorified for it. There are like 3 scenes in the original odyssey where a slave comments about how good a master Odysseus is. The specific themes of getting glory and honor in the illiad also does not appeal to my more modern pacifist opinions. So honestly Nolan's version is better than Homer's. We will never have a true adaptation of either though. Unless it becomes morally acceptable within my life time to have a full 10 min rape scene of a minor onscreen we will never have a true adaptation. (which is fine by me). We barely get one scene where Matt Damon nicely ask a man for some supplies while if we were trying to be accurate he should have been pillaging, burning and enslaving that random village. If you truly were hoping for a true adaptation keep dreaming of electric sheep. Lastly i'm not american so it was very interesting to me that you interpreted the movie to be about american imperialism. Here cultural context matters more which is always somewhat fascinating. I understood the film to be more about breaking the social contract both on a national and international level. That we have slowly eroded away the ideas of democracy and human rights too the point where we have returned to the more imperialist idea of "might makes right". Odysseus doesn't take Troy by proper warfare but instead commits a war-crime by disguising himself as the ancient equivalent of a peace offering. The entire Sinon subplot was also about how we send young men to die, while the rich stay at home and drink the country out of house and bed. In the end Odysseus has a revelation, kills all of the bad people and then leaves himself because society can't function when you break Zeus's law.

I can see how it would be a "we kill you and then make a movie about how sad we are" film but that was not really my first interpretation.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A lot of this is perfectly valid and you're allowed to feel how you feel. I've said may times that there's a lot I like in Nolans movie, particularly many of the scenes on Ithaca.

But a few thoughts-

1. If you're put off the homeric texts because everyone owns slaves...Odysseus owns slaves in Nolans movie too.

Eumaeus is literally a slave and Nolans movie keeps all the scenes where he talks about what a good master Odysseus is, specifically in contrast to Melantho snd Melanthius who are bad disloyal slaves and get brutally murdered as punishment.

So....I mean. That's not something Nolan actually...changed at all. If anything, he just doesn't use the actual word "slave" as much so you don't think about it. But Odysseus in Nolan's movie is very much a slave owner too.

2. Yeah, being an American watching an American film by a well known American studio does give some context here. Also having seen Nolans other films. Nolan, without fail, has vague conservative themes and is weird about women, and this film is no exception at all. (Batman and Oppenheimer were particularly on the nose.)

But even if we use your interpretation, the ending is still nihilistic doomerism that basically just says that you have no responsibility to try to FIX societies problems- the next generation can worry about that, I guess. It's Telemachus' problem now.

But yeah, there's some pretty unsubtle subtext in the idea that the light of civilization and literacy will blaze again "in the West" that has....specific political implications here.

As well as some very familiar tropes about a LOT of our post-Vietnam and post- Afghanistan war media- how you went to war, did a war crime, and suffer with the guilt of it. It's why he needs Penelopes forgiveness for his sins at the end (rather than the homeric ending, which centers on Penelopes cleverness and wise nature, establishing them as equals as the final restoration of Odysseus on Ithaca.)

3. I wasn't asking for a line by line Homeric-accurate adaptation (though, Im...curious about what rape of a minor you think would NEED to be included). All adaptations adapt, and I'm generally more interested in how any new adaptation will work with the homeric poem to tell a cohesive and interesting story.

But I do think that a movie which has marketed itself *so hard* on this idea of authenticity and research should be a little more thoughtful about what period in history the movie is...theoretically styled to and how that informs the characters.

But my "This Age of Bronze" critique isn't even a historical accuracy issue so much as a "Why in the World would this thought even occur to this character? Other than to just be a clunky vehicle for Nolans theme statement?"

And the dialogue should be better.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Odysseus fucking name dropping the Bronze Age is like Leonardo De Vinci writing in his journal "wow what a beautiful day here in the Italian Renaissance. I sure am pleased to be experiencing The High Renaissance period"

It's just so fucking stupid.

Like.

[pantsmadeofgold]

I hear "this is the end of the information age" constantly when AI is brought up. Is it really the most unbelievable fact that someone would call their own age based on the most used material. Also Homer wrote well into the iron age, bronze weaponry had not been used for like 400 years already. He would have known about the Bronze age collapse. Also the Renaissance is the french term for Rinascita (rebirth in italian) which was in fact used during the Renaissance. It was a term for the age invented by Giorgio Vasari. Like where do you think we got the term from. Check his Wikipedia page. Leonardo De Vinci was just early, but Michelangelo could literally have historically said "wow what a beautiful day here in the Italian Renaissance. I sure am pleased to be experiencing The High Renaissance period" Except you know he didn't speak english so the florentine equivalent of that.

[fandomsandfeminism]

The term "Bronze Age" was first used in 1836.

And while Homer (or, you know, whatever collection of scribes wrote down the Epic Cycle whom we collectively call Homer) may have had a general concept of the Bronze Age Collapse (kind of. Archaic Greeks would know about palace ruins, and may have had a concept that many great civilizations had been lost in the recent past. Theres really only 1 mention of *writing* in the Iliad, and its...pretty amiguous. So its not even super clear is Homer realized that people in the Mycenean period had written language), the character of Odysseus definitely did not.

The homeric Odyssey isn't about the Bronze Age Collapse and its themes do not represent an anxiety about the degeneracy and decline of Greek Culture, and if we are going to assess Nolan's film on the rubric of "are concepts, themes, and terminology something that Homer would have used or recognized", we would be here all day. (Theres not even really an Archaic Greek word for "Veteran" in the same way we do, or in the same way its used in the film. Odysseus, a man still fit for battle, would never apply the term to himself) But I don't think thats a particularly fair way to assess the film.

As for my comparison to De Vinci, who died before Vasaris book- Vasari used the term "rebirth" to describe the shift in art styles, and it wouldn't be used to describe the entire cultural era until the 1850s. So, Michelangelo likely wouldn't have thought he was having a great day in the Italian Renaissance either, honestly. Though he might have felt like his art was part of the artistic revival at the time.

Yes, WE, modern people with modern concepts about history, talk about living in the Information Age. We are very used to dividing up history into discreet eras, often to the point of oversimplification, to compare eras to each other, to try to find cause and effect in our progression from one to the next. It's a concept clearly, Nolan finds very interesting.

It also nearly sent me into a fit in the movie because it's just Nolan breaking the forth wall and saying to the camera "This movie is actually about the decline of the American empire because of the loss of traditional values".

And it's just part of the whole contradiction of the film. The insistence on REAL ancient instruments and Hathaway learning to weave on a REAL ancient loom and pretense of gritty realism, while simultaneously being an incredibly modern American War Guilt movie with inconsistent costume design, name dropping the Bronze Age Collapse. It's clunky and awkward at best.

[neopetdestroyer]

[inkloom]

Peer reviewed tags from Misterghostfrog

[what-even-is-thiss]

I’ve been thinking on it a bit further and I think that the reason that Nolan’s odyssey has the problems that it does is that it’s afraid to be seen as unserious for even one second.

Like they could’ve and in my opinion should’ve had Zendaya as Athena descend from the heavens in full battle armor but they didn’t. It would’ve been accurate to the original text.

We can’t have anything look rediculous in this movie though I guess. Can’t have a cyclops thinking that a guy is named Nobody. Can’t have a drugged up island of silly lotus eaters that Odysseus has to physically drag his men away from.

Anyways I did mostly enjoy this movie I swear but I wish they’d gotten silly with it even just once.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Not only is it never allowed to be silly, it's never allowed to be glorious, to be powerful, to be beautiful.

Circe does not have a magnificent palace filled with nymphs and golden furniture. Calypso does not weave on a golden loom, her cave full of mighty trees dripping with grape vines. There is no Nausicaa and Arete in their palace of Orichalcum and magic boats which pilot themselves. Penelope does not have a wedding bed carved from a mighty olive tree, rooted to the rock of Ithaca.

Because Nolans movie is about the collapse of a cultural empire because people didn't respect God's laws enough. It's about a civilization degrading and fading, so he has no use for any of the majesty and wonder and humor of the homeric text. Everything needs to be grimy and decaying, collapsing in on itself.

And Adaptations are allowed to be different and it's broadly a good thing to have a strong directorial vision.

But it does remind me of Nolans Batman, which had no time for boy wonders and found family and silly puzzles because it needed to be about the righteous necessity of the post 9/11 surveillance state.

[afternoonblues]

The Sheep Detectives (2026) dir. Kyle Balda

[probablyasocialecologist]

Study finds nearly every pre-2010 video game is unavailable

Games from older consoles are being made less and less available to the point so much of the industry's history could easily vanish without

[gay-jesus-probably]

Vimm's Lair: Preserving the Classics

Preserving classic videogames from consoles past.

I'm just gonna slide this on in here for anyone that is interested in preserving old games. They take it very seriously too, they want an archive of every single game. Like, they have lists of every game ever released for a system, and once that system gets old enough, they add it to their archive and start collecting. Their latest addition was the Xbox 360, they opened that vault up in September 2022, and proudly announced they'd finished their collection of games for it back in April.

Also, while their game archives are almost entirely complete, they've got another project of archiving the manuals that came with those games, and that is... considerably less well filled out. Their collection of Xbox 360 manuals is especially rough, they've only gotten manuals for three games. So if you've got some Xbox 360 games kicking around, and the manual's still with them, please consider scanning them and submitting them to the site!

Game preservation is important, but people rarely consider preserving the manuals as well; I really respect Vimm's Lair for being so thorough in their archival work.

[anachronic-cobra]

I've been using Vimm's Lair for years, I have yet to see a single bad link or virus on the entire site. It's arguably the safest and most comprehensive archive of video games in existence. Preserved history

[dramatic-dolphin]

and if i said nolan's odyssey starring no greek actors and with no recognizable aspects of greek culture or involvement by greeks, is the direct legacy of white supremacist colonialism that treated ancient greece as not just the pinnacle of ancient culture, but of an artificially created "european" culture, which white western europeans and their settler descendants, as the new pinnacle of culture, were the sole spiritual inheritors of.

[hiveswap]

^^^ PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE. There's a metro station across the street from the colosseum where i found a hair in my pizza slice. We drove by ruins of an amphitheater next to a motorway in greece once. It's literally just real places where real people live and have lived. It's not mythical perfect lands that once existed. I went to Itacha in 2023 and there was not enough parking space.

[paverics]

“my father is a boy and my mother is a girl so i’m mixed” is the funniest possible response to someone asking your gender and it came from 6’5 Viking footballer and notable weird little guy Erling Haaland on a Snapchat

[darlingofdots]

my favourite joke in The Sheep Detectives is that there's neon signs everywhere in Denbrook, including the police station, and you don't really think about it until you see the neon sign that offers a discount on neon signs

[dogpuppy]

[nineteenyearoldmeblog]

im fucking crying

[petal-metal-blog]

OMG MY NEW SHOES CAME :3 ignore my ugly house arrest ankle bracelet. haha

[arroz]

I’ve known this post longer than I’ve known most of my friends

[olidel]

[aphrostiel]

i know i really loved a movie because i'm making art of it