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Am I the only one who finds the Council of Elrond incredibly funny? The fact that when something goes wrong, everyone in Middle Earth immediately goes to Elrond for advice, whether an elf, a dwarf, or a man, is just- well. We all know who has all the brain cells in Middle Earth and surprisingly enough, people of Middle Earth seem to know it as well.
So maybe they should start actually listening to him.
Gollum escapes? -> Elrond
Nazgul are being annoying and knock on your door ten times a day? -> Elrond
Sauron's ring has been found? -> Elrond
You have a weird dream? -> Elrond
Saruman is being a dick? -> Elrond
Most of those people don't live even near Rivendell, but evidently, Elrond is just a to-go person when you or someone else fucks up.
Then there's Bilbo chilling on a visit.
no one ever talks about gimli being not even slightly tempted by the ring. motherfucker had no hesitation just walked up with his axe and immediately tried to wreck it. obviously that didn’t work but like, the ring had zero visible effect on him. amazing… gold sickness in the line of durin WHOMST?? not in gimli son of gloin
He wasn’t going to let himself be embarrassed in front of all these fucking ELVES
the ring: gimli son of gloin you can have your deepest desires if you just take me~
gimli: oh?!
elrond: the ring tempts all who come into contact with it
gimli: my deepest desire is to not look like a lil’bitch in front of all these fucking elves
Legolas: This forest is ancient and scary. I wish I could vacation here.
Gimli: Legolas you’re so fucking weird. I’d follow you anywhere.
SILMARILLION references in The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power (2022) Tirion upon Túna The Two Trees of Valinor Ungoliant’s Destruction of the Trees Morgoth — the First Dark Lord The Darkening of Valinor Oath of Fëanor Elves leaving Aman Wars of Beleriand War of the Wrath / Sinking of Beleriand
This isn’t a coincidence.
Thinking about how many people- Glorfindel, Cirdan, Gil-galad, Galadriel, Celeborn, Oropher, Thranduil- look at Elrond and see Earendil or Elwing instead (or perhaps even Turgon or Luthien). Maybe that’s one of the reasons he falls for Celebrian, who knows of the First Age only through stories, who looks at him and sees him.
Not that I have any authority over how other people do fandom, so let’s consider this a plea more than anything:
Tolkien fandom, let’s not be dicks.
The Rings of Power is going to usher in a whole new swathe of fans, fans who will be inspired to explore Tolkien’s world further, fans who just want to enjoy the show for itself. New fans who are just discovering Middle-earth for the first time, established fans who have been in the fandom for years. Whatever your own opinion of the show, these fans have a right to enjoy themselves without us getting our salt over them.
I’ve already seen people reblogging gifsets for the sole purpose of complaining about how uncanon the content is. It’s not fair, and it’s not edifying. People making edits and art and fic, etc. are wanting to enjoy their fandom, not put up with other people lecturing them on how wrong it all is. Nobody wants to see their notifications clogged up with all that shit. If someone is inviting discussion and debate, that’s one thing, but for the rest… we have our own blogs, we can post our own rants and screeds, get as bitchy as we like without bothering people who just want to do their own thing in peace.
Just - be kind, for all love.Â
Imagine The Fellowship all sitting around the campfire halfway up Caradhras retelling the events of the Hobbit to Boromir and Aragorn Rashomon-style with Gimli going "my dad tells it this way" and Legolas going "well, my dad tells it this way" and the Hobbits all going "but Bilbo tells it this way!" and, even though Gandalf was fucking there for half of it, he refuses to weigh in on anything because watching them argue is more fun and also he doesn't remember because it was over 75 years ago.
One thing I actually liked about the Hobbit films was that they gave Thorin (and to a lesser extent the other dwarves) the kind of gravitas Gimli should have had in LotR. The hands down best scene in The Hobbit is the one at the very beginning of the first film with the dwarves singing «Far Over The Misty Mountains Cold» in Bag End.
What do you think Sauron’s opinion of Elrond was?
There’s a line in Two Towers (I think) I was going to look up to answer this, except I got lazy, where Gollum says Sauron hates something and Frodo responds like “What doesn’t he hate?”
So I’m going to go out on a limb and say Sauron hates Elrond.
But to actually contribute something not obvious to the conversation, I think of all his biggest adversaries, he is most likely to underestimate Elrond.
Elrond’s influence is huge but we only see him give his advice to those who came to him voluntarily, he hides away but not so well he can’t be found in need. He’s a healer, not a warrior or a king, and he doesn’t have the ambition Galadriel has.
Heir of Luthien? Hate that. Uses his power to influence events mainly by being a well of knowledge and a safe place to weather storms? Sauron doesn’t understand that.
Elrond ultimately defeats Sauron by raising children with love, helping those in need, not seeking power and giving solid advice. He puts together the fellowship, but doesn’t even put his name on it, he helps everyone there see what has to be done by letting them suggest options and showing them how those ideas are infeasible, and making sure everyone has the whole story. He takes advice as well, he sends Pippin instead of Glorfindel at Gandalf’s suggestion. He gently refuses to let the fellowship swear an oath.
One of my favorite moments from the council of Elrond is when they’re like “Who will do this task” and Elrond goes quiet. It is NOT because he doesn’t know who would be best for it. But he knows Frodo has to choose on his own, he cannot force him, or what little hope they have will be gone. The MOMENT Frodo says he’ll do it, Elrond says he is the only person who can, but he doesn’t lay that on him until he is committed.
If everyone had rolled up to Rivendell and Elrond had just said “you nine go drop the ring in Mt doom” and sent the same exact people? The fellowship would have failed, because the understanding wouldn’t have been there. Elrond handled that council to perfection, and that is the kind of passive power based in understanding that is sooooo vital to the downfall of Sauron, but which Sauron does not value or comprehend.
The people that scare Sauron are people who want the ring. He is 100% confident that without the power of the ring, he cannot be beaten, and the fact that middle earth would fall to darkness even if Galadriel or Gandalf took it is pretty weak recompense for him if he is defeated.
Elrond never even entertains the idea that he would take the ring (at least in our view). Every bearer of an Elven Ring (and Aragorn) is offered it. Gandalf first when Frodo first learns what it is, and he tells us what he would do with it and why it would be a bad idea. Galadriel most famously, and she had literally dreaded the idea of the ring coming through Lothlorien because she knew she wanted it, and famously refusing it was a trial for her.
There is no moment when Elrond is DIRECTLY offered the Ring by Frodo. But the entire first half of the book the goal is “get the Ring to Rivendell” where Elrond will know what to do with it, and it will be safe. In the beginning the hobbits have no concept of going further than that- so basically the idea is “put the Ring in Elrond’s power” for the first half of the book.
And Frodo arrives half dead to Rivendell, completely alone and vulnerable, and Elrond heals him, and never is there even discussion of whether Elrond could have taken it from him then, or if he was tempted to. The only thing Elrond says on the topic of the Ring being given to him is that Rivendell cannot keep it safe from the Enemy.
Taking the Ring to Minas Tirith clearly the equivalent of giving the Ring to Denethor. Galadriel clearly fears that the Ring coming to Lothlorien will be her downfall because it will be in her power and she knows she wants it.
Elrond is never shown even considering taking it. The Ring staying in Rivendell would be bad according to him because they could not withstand Sauron’s full force bent towards extracting it. Even in this scenario where the Ring remains in Rivendell, Elrond discounts a possibility that he would be tempted to use it to keep Sauron out.
Sauron is physically incapable of thinking of someone like that as a threat, it is his biggest weakness, and that’s why the plan Elrond facilitates is the one that ultimately takes him out.
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in which elrond finds things to do in valinor, gimli makes a harp, finrod is highly amused, and maglor does some singing
the reason Tolkien pulls off “magic is leaving the world” without it being depressing or disappointing is that the whole story is about how this loss is sad, yes, but also right for the time, and moreover that the magic—the elves, the dragons, the dark lords with magic rings and returned kings with legendary swords—were never the important thing. “Returned king with legendary sword” is literally a ploy the heroes use to hide the real hero, Frodo Baggins of the Shire. The end of the story isn’t the ship leaving for the West, it’s Sam coming home to Bag End. The wonderful thing in Middle Earth isn’t what is lost, it’s what remains, what is saved.
in any other story, merry would have died in battle or pippin in minas tirith, or frodo would have fallen or sam killed by gollum but tolkien, after facing losses in real life, said: no, this time they live. this time, they all get to live. in a way, the lord of the rings is a love letter to dead soldiers.
i have the highest respect for the elrond girlies on here.... there's like three of you and boy do you keep this site afloat