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[thisisahikaakiblog]

So, when’s the wedding?

[memeuplift]

[the-strawman]

Relationship goals

[secretlesbians]

Gustave Courbet, Le Sommeil,1866.

Le Sommeil [The Sleepers], which depicts two women entwined in a post-coital embrace, caused a stir when it was first shown in the 1870s. The police were called in, and the painting was not shown again until the 1980s. But its brief showing had an influence on a number of contemporary artists, and helped challenge the taboos associated with lesbian relationships. For modern audiences it’s a good reminder that people in the 19th century were not ignorant of lesbian relationships, as we tend to believe. And it’s pretty damn sexy, don’t you think?

[daggers-drawn]

They called the police on this lesbian painting.

[toastoat]

[theclockworkzombie]

The best part is, the lesbian embrace isn’t even the biggest thing that made the painting so controversial, it was the art style. People in the artistic community at the time were wholly familiar with sapphic relationships being portrayed in art, but were used to these scenes being portrayed in the ‘academic art’ style, which consisted of smooth, simplistic, idealised versions of the nude female form. This often went hand in hand with the depiction of Roman & Greek allegories to illustrate certain ideals (think Cabanel’s Birth of Venus). Courbet’s journey into realism was met by heavy critique from the academic movement, as the women he painted were, well, more realistic. Leaving in details such as the rolls of fat around the ribs acted as a blunt reminder to the audience that these were not euphoric goddesses caressing in ecstasy, but ordinary women having a nap together after making love. Other realist paintings suffered the same controversy, Manet’s Olympia is a perfect example, where the problem was not that the painting depicted a nude woman in an erotic pose, but the fact that she was just an ordinary courtesan, given an identity & portrayed in a place of power & control. Realism humanized the female form in art, & removed it from its previous role as a representation of the ideal.

So what disgusted people about the painting wasn’t so much that Le Sommeil depicted two women, but rather that it depicted two ‘real’ women.

[hazeldomain]

Artist: So I painted a couple of lesbians in bed. 

Men: Niiiiiiiiiice

Artist: They have cellulite

Men: I AM CALLING THE POLICE

[mycinnamondiary]

Yuri on ICE live from YURI!!! on CONCERT This is so beautiful I actually cried while watching this

[hiikawahinas-deactivated2021111]

“yuri on ice is better than the ballroom anime because at least yoi’s animation is better! they don’t have enlongated necks!!”

you come into my house

tell me yoi doesn’t have humongous necks

knock on my room

and try to convince me

that yoi

is the god tier

of animation

sure jan

eat this ass

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Here is a transcription of exactly what Otsuka said (via interpreter) at Anime Midwest as well as Seung Gil’s English VA, Oscar Seung’s, immediate response. (click image for better quality)

[gogoeeg-deactivated20190224]

BY THE WAY I was able to get my hands on Japanese audio via @baby-in-the-inventory. It was very hard to hear and even my native speaking Japanese friend couldn’t make out most of it, but we were able to confirm that the interpreter said was true.

選手という、コーチかって言う形の関係、恋愛っていうものに触れたいって言う関係を目指して was along the lines of what he used

For the record, Otsuka used 恋愛 which unambiguously means romantic love. It’s impossible to make it platonic or say he was being ambiguous

[fencer-x]

I was waiting to reblog this hoping someone somewhere might have access to the original Japanese, since there’s always room for loss in translation no matter how skilled the interpreter. HUZZAH!

[octoopuff]

step one to creating a full character: make a full backstory

Kubo: Yeah, I said that maybe he’s an elf, an ice elf. We don’t see anything about his background or his family, and actually I didn’t really create him to behave like a typical Russian person. In my mind he might have been found in the crater left by a meteorite fallen somewhere in Russia. Suwabe: Sounds like someone with superpowers (LOL). Kubo: Like we can’t even tell whether he came from outer space or somewhere else (LOL). He might be the type who hasn’t been a human for a very long time, including his past existences. 

FAILED STEP ONE

[experimentalpotion]

Wait wait wait. Don´t tell me it´s the official info. It´s not right? RIGHT??

[maiaaroberts]

soul·mate

(ˈsəʊlˌmeɪt)

noun

1. A person with whom you have an immediate connection the moment you meet – a connection so strong that you are drawn to them in a way you have never experienced before. As this connection develops over time, you experience a love so deep, strong and complex, that you begin to doubt that you have ever truly loved anyone prior. Your soulmate understands and connects with you in every way and on every level, which brings a sense of peace, calmness and happiness when you are around them. And when you are not around them, you are all that much more aware of the harshness of life, and how bonding with another person in this way is the most significant and satisfying thing you will experience in your lifetime. You are also all that much aware of the beauty in life, because you have been given a great gift and will always be thankful.

[experimentalpotion]

Lately everything about Yuri on ice, to put it mildly, sucks. Just SUCKS. The stupid interviews about clubmates, engagement rings that are not really engagement, and uptoyourinterpretation shit, the stupid tumblr posts about how we must accept that it´s just how Japan is, that we don´t need this and we don´t need that for victuri to be legit (FUCKING SPEAK FOR YOURSELF WILL YOU!). I am so tired of this, I have really REALLY had it enough in other animes. I am really sick to death of all this vagueness and putting victuri more and more into subtext after what the show itself showed to me. I fucking can´t love the pairing that at the end of the day is up to my fucking interpretation (god I hate this phrase with all my heart already), because I used to love it for how CANON it was, for how REAL it was. But now everything about it seems fake. 

[nekropaci]

THAT 👏 IS 👏SEX 👏RIGHT THERE 👏- IN 👏 PUBLIC

ADVERTISING YOI 

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What the fuck?? It's official?! It can't be!!!

[rainbowravioli]

Depictions of romance and attraction in Yuri on Ice

Valentine’s Day has come and gone, and with it so has Chris’ birthday. To celebrate, Kubo has posted the following image on instagram (+ a cropped version on twitter):

No comment is made about the hand he is holding. Couple that with the very soft, fond smile on Chris’s face, directed specifically at whomever he is holding hands with, and we can say that this picture holds romantic implications.

Romance in Yuri on Ice and its depiction has always been a hot topic. Particularly about Victor and Yuuri and, lately, particularly about how its portrayal felt lacking to many people upon the conclusion of the series and how the staff seems to be downgrading their relationship into subtext territory instead of having it stand on firm, canonical ground. Count me in as one of the people who found it lacking and who is disappointed with the staff, particularly Kubo, since the finale aired.

Arguments in favor of the staff’s treatment of Victuuri and its portrayal in the finale tend to be extremely similar. Three points that usually come up are 

That the depiction of romantic relationships in Japan is always subtle and ambiguous because “cultural differences” (covered by @soobaki here)

Censorship

That what we have with Victuuri is already “enough”, usually followed by the baseless (and honestly offensive) accusation that people like me want to see them make out or have sex on screen to be satisfied

Plenty of comparisons between Yuri on Ice and other anime have been made to explain our side of the argument but today I want to look at the way Yuri on Ice depicts romance outside of Victuuri; from ambiguous to explicit, from one-sided to unquestionably engaged. I will do this to show exactly what I mean when I say I want a non-ambiguous confirmation of the nature of Victor and Yuuri’s relationship outside of coach/athlete and to underline that, within the same series, not all relationships are equal in how they are treated.

Note that I will not cover any married (or divorced) couple.

Keep reading

[experimentalpotion]

I felt such a frustration when she said that she isn´t goint to reveal Chris´s relationship with that guy. Like... come on, even Shingeki no kyojin is more revolutionary at this point, cause the creators comfirmed the same-sex romance of two side-characters. And in universe, where there is no homophobia, even a romance between side characters can´t be confirmed. At this point all this pretty words about defending this ideal world with no discrimination mean shit. 

She wrote on twitter before yuri on ice aired that she is not interested in stories about getting married or finding a lover, that she just wants to write a meaningful deep relationship, okay, than why all this wedding bait?! Like at this point it´s just cruel to bait people with that, making the character openly speak about that, and than downplaying it like that. The feeling is totally disgusting :(

[fencer-x]

No matter how you look at it…this show is depicting a ‘gay world’. But there was absolutely NO allusion to that at all. So you’ve got Yuuri and Victor, and at no point do they look at each other and go, ‘Wait, we’re both guys!’ […] The way that, in their world, men falling in love with men is totally normal and no big deal is something that’s been built up [thanks to the precedent of other fictional works in our world] over the past twenty years.

Yamada Reiji, close friend of YOI Director Yamamoto Sayo, in a recent roundtable interview (x)

[kukapanda]

ユーリ!!! on Ice - TV & BD/DVD Comparison | episode 4

ep 1 | ep 2 | ep 3 | ep 4 | ep 5 | ep 6 | ep 7 | ep 8 | ep 9 | ep 10 | ep 11 | ep 12

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Ep 10′s ending scene is storyboarded directly by Kubo and Sayo.

Kubo’s style is hard, bold line, so this is Kubo’s:

And this is Sayo’s:

I’m just gonna leave it here, I guess.

[experimentalpotion]

Thanks Sayo indeed :))) 

[funanori-tsuki-blog]

[sheepskeleton]

Yuri on Ice visual storytelling meta

While watching Yuri on Ice I couldn’t quite understand the vague sense of frustration I felt with some scenes where one thing was being told and a different thing was being shown. You know, like when Yuuri is all like “those are lucky charms blah blah” and the entire setting, montage, frames, sound etc. just scream “PROPOSAL”. The same goes for the airport scene, the kiss in ep 7 and some minor scenes too. It’s almost like the visuals tell a slightly different story than words and actions of the characters.

It seems like the writing is more focused on an inner journey, a path to self discovery etc., while the settings, montage, light, sound effects tell a romantic story - it all just bluntly screams “a love story”. The usage of romance iconography (like running to meet the lover) is clearly intentional and never a parody. They look like a couple. And yet we all feel that need for more confirmation.

I couldn’t quite put it into words until now, but there is indeed a curious gap between storytelling and directing here.

Disclaimer: I worked in a big-scale animation production, it kinda changes the way you look at things. And you start seeing that such a production is a result of many people having different ideas and different attitudes towards the same material. And even when they work together, they might end up telling different stories.

And that’s what I think is the case with YOI.

I think this gap between the raw story and its visual storytelling actually subtly reflects the attitudes of Mitsuoru Kubo (writer) and Sayo Yamamoto (director).

Kubo is very focused on characters’ inner journey and leaves almost everything to viewer’s interpretation, driving us all nuts with her vague answers. While Yamamoto apparently ships Victuuri shamelessly and comes up with scenes like the airport reunion (bless that woman).

Kubo tells a brilliant story about struggling to accept yourself, about getting over your failures, about struggling with (incredibly well-portrayed) anxiety and finding strength to go on. Yamamoto on the other hand literally does all that is humanly possible within directing boundaries to tell a pure and sweet love story, on top of all that is already there.  

I’m not saying that Kubo didn’t write Victor’s and Yuuri’s relationship as romantic.

What I’m saying that the one who tells the love story is not Kubo. It’s the director and the animation team. They tell us the love story. And if you can’t find what you are looking for in Kubo’s words, please pay attention to the pictures.

After all, a picture is worth a thousand words. ;)

[rainbowravioli]

Oh God that latest YOI interview

[experimentalpotion]

Yeah, me too :((( I wish now I could delete YOI from my memory.