S T A R : T A L K

[sleepybiflinge]

Well, there it is.

[fn--2187]

Lmao

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #…” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“…that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[antiantiantiantianti]

[wynx-hates-pedos]

Look at this anti anti loser trying to pretend they’re intellectual for theorizing that “shipperphobia” is a real form of oppression. Sad.

[fn--2187]

No, lol. I am an anti and you’re just being unreasonable and paranoid right now but sure go off sis. Find where Im defending reylo shippers in this ocean of text thats just too much for you to read. Like for Christ-sake, I understand how badly some reylos have treated us but why stoop to their level? If we want to win this we need to approach this from an intellectual level. We cant be like them. We need to change the narrative about ourselves because right now they hold popularity.

[wynx-hates-pedos]

You may call yourself an anti but you sure weren’t acting like it in your long essay about fandom discourse. I did it read it btw. Nice assuming that I didn’t just because I wrote a reply that didn’t immediately validate it. Makes you look like a very honest person. Anyways onto the matter at hand. I will apologize for claiming you’re an anti. That’s entirely my bad. But tbh you were using anti anti language in this post while talking about shipping wars. You’re trying to take a middle ground on a subject matter that has no middle ground entirely due to the fault of anti antis. You know, the ones who started this whole mess? They’re the ones who decided that people disliking a ship is a personal attack on their life. And what I mean by you’re using anti anti language is that you’re assuming that every anti out there who complains about cross tagging is complaining for nothing. When no, that is not true. The ones who complain about cross tagging are specifically complaining about seeing abusive ships in tags where they shouldn’t be. Like for instance Reylos are notorious for putting their ship into every damn Star Wars related tag that there is. These are not complaints made by antis reaching for things to complain about. This is a real problem that really happens and continues to happen because anti antis are assholes like that. Anti antis are the ones who don’t care about having civil discussions. They’re the ones who prove that when they make victim shaming posts directed at people who are triggered by their gross ships. This is not just some schoolyard fight about who’s the better superhero character. It became bigger than that the instant anti antis began siding with real abusers who supported their ableist logic. The anti anti community is about being intentionally ableist towards people who are triggered by fictional abuse dynamics that mirror real abuse they’ve experienced. So your claim that anti antis aren’t deliberately attacking people triggered by ships is quite frankly false and also insulting. In order to have that belief about this discourse you’d have to invalidate every anti who does get triggered by abusive ships. That’s ableist and also insulting. Claiming that we’re making up our distress just to be killjoys is ableist and pro anti anti logic. So maybe stop that if you don’t want people to think you side with anti antis. In conclusion, anti antis are the ones not looking to have civil discussion because their movement is about dehumanizing people with “inconvenient”: triggers. Anti antis are the ones who are at fault for this discourse no matter how much they make guilt trippy posts saying they’re not. They can be in denial all they want but that doesn’t alter the discourse filled life they’ve chosen to create for themselves.

[fn--2187]

Are you sure you read this post? I remember saying that 90% of cross-tagging is abusive and harmful. But sure Im defending reylos and anti antis because I love them soo much! Like just calm down for a second and actually read what I said. I never said anything to defend or apologise for their ship. They have a right to exist and speak their mind just like you do right now. Stop acting like Im some sneak attack asshole out to hurt you okay? I never called you names. I never insulted you. All I did was share my opinion and you come at me with this? I have people mesaging me calling me scum and telling me I should die just because Im making an effort to reach out to everyone. Thats fair???

[wynx-hates-pedos]

You’re the one who’s misreading my post right now. Stop assuming I didn’t read your post just because I disagree with your takes on fandom discourse. Also, I did not tell people to attack you in my name. I’m a single person and I can’t control what everyone else does in reaction to my posts. But I will tell them through this comment to take it down a notch. IF that’s what’s going on.  Also “ They have a right to exist and speak their mind just like you do right now. “ The fact you think that is why I said you’re taking a middle ground on a subject matter that you shouldn’t tale a middle ground on. That’s also why I said you’re the one who’s misreading what I’m saying. I perfectly understood what your post said which is why I disagreed with it. Adult anti antis don’t deserve a neutral response to their behavior if you’re gonna be calling yourself an anti. Being a real anti means being willing to call out adult anti antis on their BS. Also I said the implications in your post are insulting because you saying that antis should be willing to have civil discussions with anti antis IS insulting. Like I said, anti antis are the ones who are unwilling to do that. Anti antis are the reason this discourse exists at all. Saying that antis are somehow to blame for anti antis disrespecting their trauma with their gross taste in ships is bad. I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that. Like yes, anti antis crosstaggnig their ships into tags not related to their ship is bad I agree there. But then you also went on to demonze Finnrey shippers and Finnpoe shippers for complaining about Reylo posts infesting their tags. Let me break it down to you where you implied those things. “I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. “ This is what I mean when I say you were being insulting to antis who are literally triggered by abusive ships like Reylo. We’re not mad because someone is disagreeing with us. We’re mad because these assholes literally go out of their way to invade our non Reylo tags. By doing so that makes it near impossible to avoid these posts even while blacklisting. the way you talk about blacklisting makes me think you’ve never heard of how faulty that feature is. Unless someone makes sure to not include tags that you DO want to be exposed to in their posts you can still come across the post containing triggering content. And even then  that’s not guaranteed. I’ve literally dealt with the blacklist feature blacklisting posts that didn’t feature triggering content. That’s how glitchy it is. It’s not a perfect solution so it’s really annoying to see posts like your first one claiming that it is. The way you talk about this issue seriously gives off the impression that you don’t believe people can be triggered by ships. What gives off that impression is your claim that antis and anti antis should just talk things out. Like uh no? Antis have already tried that and it doesn’t work. Anti antis are only interested in validation and nothing else. You can’t talk to people who think that way. ESPECIALLY difficult to do when you’ve been triggered into having a flashback thanks to being exposed to triggering content. You go on about how you hate ignorant points of view on fandom subjects but tbh you sound pretty ignorant yourself. You’re strawmanning both sides to make it seem like we’re just arguing about minuscule things. You’re totally erasing the reality for antis that we’re against these abuse ships cuz they trigger us. You’re erasing the fact that anti antis cross tag for the sole purpose of triggering us. Your argument doesn’t work if it falls apart when those realities are brought up. Antis antis want to be able to post whatever they want where ever they want. Antis want some kind of safety regulations involved in what posts are and aren’t allowed. That is what the controversy between these communities is about when you take the “shipping war” factor out of it. That’s why the more experienced antis will say that the anti anti community is flat out ableist. It’s because it is.. Plus anti antis love posts like yours. It validates their self entitled understanding of this controversy that THEY started. That’s why I said your first post was written with pro anti anti language. Hence why I also initially mistook you for an anti anti. I cannot begin to recount all the pro anti anti posts I’ve seen before that are nearly identical to yours. That’s also why I’ve said you’ve gotta fix your wording if you don’t want people to think you’re an anti anti. Because with the way the wording of your first post was structured it was really hard to tell that you’re an anti.

[fn--2187]

Can you do me a favor? Put your money where your mouth is. There are no IFs. It IS happening. What do you say to them? Are you even going to say anything to them? Or maybe you think they have a point so you'll let it slide. No, Im sorry you'll tell them to "take it down a notch". How about a fuckin few notches? No but I deserve this don't I? In reality, me having an opinion is deserving of this.

Who the fuck does this look like? Doesn't it look familiar, like the "anti antis and reylos" familiar? Except it's not coming from an anti anti or reylo. Funny isn't it? All I did was state my opinion about cross-tagging and I get this gift from the people who should be supporting me the most. Funny how that shit works. You and I both know you wont say shit to this person because in the back of your mind you still see me as a reylo disguised as an anti. Ok here's more proof.

My name's Isaiah. My instagram is esaias_photo. I like to take photos so check me out sometime. I'm a 20 year old black male Star Wars geek. When The Force Awakens came out Finnrey became my life. When all this reylo shit started leaking, I was beyond confused. I thought all reylos were a bunch of racist, rape apologists who couldn't stand the sight of Rey being with a black man - a person like me. But I couldn't have got mad at that right? Nah, Im an anti anti. So for the next 2 years until The Last Jedi, I go off on any reylo I can. They return the favor and I get beautiful choice words - nigger is my favorite. But yea I didn't get mad because Im the asshole anti anti you say me.

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #…” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“…that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[antiantiantiantianti]

[wynx-hates-pedos]

Look at this anti anti loser trying to pretend they’re intellectual for theorizing that “shipperphobia” is a real form of oppression. Sad.

[fn--2187]

No, lol. I am an anti and you’re just being unreasonable and paranoid right now but sure go off sis. Find where Im defending reylo shippers in this ocean of text thats just too much for you to read. Like for Christ-sake, I understand how badly some reylos have treated us but why stoop to their level? If we want to win this we need to approach this from an intellectual level. We cant be like them. We need to change the narrative about ourselves because right now they hold popularity.

[wynx-hates-pedos]

You may call yourself an anti but you sure weren’t acting like it in your long essay about fandom discourse. I did it read it btw. Nice assuming that I didn’t just because I wrote a reply that didn’t immediately validate it. Makes you look like a very honest person. Anyways onto the matter at hand. I will apologize for claiming you’re an anti. That’s entirely my bad. But tbh you were using anti anti language in this post while talking about shipping wars. You’re trying to take a middle ground on a subject matter that has no middle ground entirely due to the fault of anti antis. You know, the ones who started this whole mess? They’re the ones who decided that people disliking a ship is a personal attack on their life. And what I mean by you’re using anti anti language is that you’re assuming that every anti out there who complains about cross tagging is complaining for nothing. When no, that is not true. The ones who complain about cross tagging are specifically complaining about seeing abusive ships in tags where they shouldn’t be. Like for instance Reylos are notorious for putting their ship into every damn Star Wars related tag that there is. These are not complaints made by antis reaching for things to complain about. This is a real problem that really happens and continues to happen because anti antis are assholes like that. Anti antis are the ones who don’t care about having civil discussions. They’re the ones who prove that when they make victim shaming posts directed at people who are triggered by their gross ships. This is not just some schoolyard fight about who’s the better superhero character. It became bigger than that the instant anti antis began siding with real abusers who supported their ableist logic. The anti anti community is about being intentionally ableist towards people who are triggered by fictional abuse dynamics that mirror real abuse they’ve experienced. So your claim that anti antis aren’t deliberately attacking people triggered by ships is quite frankly false and also insulting. In order to have that belief about this discourse you’d have to invalidate every anti who does get triggered by abusive ships. That’s ableist and also insulting. Claiming that we’re making up our distress just to be killjoys is ableist and pro anti anti logic. So maybe stop that if you don’t want people to think you side with anti antis. In conclusion, anti antis are the ones not looking to have civil discussion because their movement is about dehumanizing people with “inconvenient”: triggers. Anti antis are the ones who are at fault for this discourse no matter how much they make guilt trippy posts saying they’re not. They can be in denial all they want but that doesn’t alter the discourse filled life they’ve chosen to create for themselves.

[fn--2187]

Are you sure you read this post? I remember saying that 90% of cross-tagging is abusive and harmful. But sure Im defending reylos and anti antis because I love them soo much! Like just calm down for a second and actually read what I said. I never said anything to defend or apologise for their ship. They have a right to exist and speak their mind just like you do right now. Stop acting like Im some sneak attack asshole out to hurt you okay? I never called you names. I never insulted you. All I did was share my opinion and you come at me with this? I have people mesaging me calling me scum and telling me I should die just because Im making an effort to reach out to everyone. Thats fair???

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #…” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“…that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[antiantiantiantianti]

[wynx-hates-pedos]

Look at this anti anti loser trying to pretend they’re intellectual for theorizing that “shipperphobia” is a real form of oppression. Sad.

[fn--2187]

No, lol. I am an anti and you're just being unreasonable and paranoid right now but sure go off sis. Find where Im defending reylo shippers in this ocean of text thats just too much for you to read. Like for Christ-sake, I understand how badly some reylos have treated us but why stoop to their level? If we want to win this we need to approach this from an intellectual level. We cant be like them. We need to change the narrative about ourselves because right now they hold popularity.

[1stvioliner-fangirl]

This is a post to all of the problems of our fandom. To show that normal people exist

No I do not despise the last jedi.

Yes I admit that parts of it could have been better

Yes I ship reylo

Yes I ship stormpilot

I have no problem with hate or antis. I choose to ignore or block them

Kylux is ok

Reysma is ok

Finnrey is ok

Finnrose is ok

EVERYTHING IS OK!

EVERYTHING IS WELCOME ON THIS BLOG!

EVERYONES OPINIONS ARE WELCOME ON THIS BLOG!

SEND ME YOUR HATE, SEND ME YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THIS IS A BLOG FOR THE FANDOM AS A WHOLE!

I WILL ANSWER ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS SENT TO ME!

YES I WILL WRITE FANFICTIONS

YES I CAN DRAW ART! FOR FREE EVEN FOR A COMMISSION!

I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS HAPPY AND GOOD ON THIS BLOG!

I’m a teenager too. I have feelings. I’ve been diagnosed with both depression and I am apart of the autism spectrum. If you have anything that you need to talk about anything, or help with any problems that you might have. Because remember, we are all human and all have feelings.

[fn--2187]

^^^ All of this. Let's just talk guys.

[lahiah]

beam me up scotty (beam me up inside) can’t beam up (beam me up inside)

[fn--2187]

SAAAAVE MAAAAY!

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #…” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“…that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[starawr-deactivated20200502]

Um, people don’t go into their ship tag looking for a fight or a debate. They aren’t looking to win arguments. They just want to see their own ship content. Nobody is obliged to engage with you in a discussion if they don’t want to, and they’re not being childish for doing so.

You can make your own #reylo debate tag if you wanna debate reylo. But don’t encourage putting reylo hate in the reylo tag (crosstagging), and then insinuate that shippers are being childish if they don’t rise to the bait.

[fn--2187]

Before I continue these are your words, not mine. 

“Um, people don’t go into their ship tag looking for a fight or a debate. They aren’t looking to win arguments. They just want to see their own ship content.”

This kind of makes my point, here. An argument, disagreement is inevitable. No one is ever going to see eye to eye on the same thing all of the time. That’s a fact. I choose to acknowledge that fact while you pretend it doesn’t exist (and that’s not an insult that’s just the truth). I’m also glad you used the word debate because that’s all I’m speaking about - a conversation. You should at least be able to have a conversation with someone without resorting to verbal abuse. I think we can both agree on that, right?

“ Nobody is obliged to engage with you in a discussion if they don’t want to, and they’re not being childish for doing so.”

Never said anyone was obliged to engage in conversation with me. It would be asinine for me to demand that. If you’re feeling tired and don’t feel like getting into some in-depth conversation, I don’t expect you to respond. I’m talking about the people who don’t want to get into a conversation simply because an opposing view offends them. Like I’m sorry but that is childish. It certainly isn’t the mark of a mature adult. If Tumblr expected everyone to have uniform thoughts and exclusive internet communities, cross-tagging would never be allowed. The cross-tagging sin is just an unspoken community rule and it only hurts everyone because it doesn’t encourage discussion. Just echo-chamber bullshit where people only smell their own armpits and lay upon their high horses. This goes for the antis especially. 

“ You can make your own #reylo debate tag if you wanna debate reylo. But don’t encourage putting reylo hate in the reylo tag (cross-tagging), and then insinuate that shippers are being childish if they don’t rise to the bait.”

So is it reylo hate or a debate like you said yourself? There’s a difference between the two. There’s a difference between that conversation (cross-tagging) that you talked about yourself and hurling verbal assaults (reylo hatred). Like here’s how I see it. 

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends? This is acceptable. It’s just an opinion and is not offensive to any person. This is a good use of cross-tagging.

I wish you racist rapist apologist #reylos would keel over already. This is not fucking acceptable - like at all. This is not an opinion and is just flat out offensive. This isn’t cross-tagging, this is hatred.

If you don’t think there’s a difference between the two, that’s where I part ways with you. We could use cross-tagging to support each other but instead, we use it as a weapon. If you think I’m only using my discussion to bait you into something, then I’m sorry but that’s on you. I shouldn’t have to apologize for every anti that bullied you, especially if I’m not that kind of anti. Look all I’m saying is that antis and reylos should mimic the lessons reylo teaches us all. We can put aside our differences and enjoy this fandom together. :)

[tallulalusa]

This may surprise you, but not everyone comes onto a fandom platform ready or willing to become engaged in a debate or civilized argument. Fandom is a creative outlet and a safe space for lots of people, which can take many forms. Some people like to get into debates and find this revitalizes them, while others simply want to celebrate the things they love – this may involve squeeing, fic writing/reading, swapping headcanons, etc. And all of these are valid. You can’t expect people to want to engage in fandom the same way you do. Everyone’s experience and idea of fun is different.

I don’t care what the dictionary says on tagging. It’s not an authority on either tagging or fandom (or even on the English language, for that matter). No, the “rules” on how to behave in fandom aren’t written anywhere in stone. They have not been certified and legitimized by a higher authority. They don’t need to be. Fandom is a community. A self-monitoring community. Within this community there is a code of conduct you are expected to follow. That’s why very now and then a long post about fandom etiquette will pop up for all the fandom newbies out there. One can, of course, choose to ignore and violate this code of conduct, but it will make them an asshole, and they will be treated accordingly.

When someone comes onto Tumblr wanting to celebrate X, they go into the X tags, looking for X only and nothing else. Hopefully they won’t come across Y because Y bothers them. Yes, some people find certain characters, pairings etc. truly upsetting, dare I say they can even be triggering for some people. And that is OK. You are allowed to be upset by certain things. That’s why it’s up to you to curate your fandom experience accordingly. That’s why we have the filter.

But what if a post concerns both X and Y? Like I said, that’s what the blacklist is for. If someone sees an X post that may contain Y content, it’s up to them whether to venture further into what is a potentially upsetting area or walk away and decide not to risk it. However, this method of self-monitoring can only work if the person making the content tags accordingly. So if it’s a post only about Y, and they tag it X? Well done, you may just have ruined someone’s day. If it’s a post only about X, but you tag it with Y? Well, plenty of people who are interested in X but have blacklisted Y don’t get to see your work now. You’ve limited your audience. Furthermore, by cross-tagging unnecessarily you are contributing to your section of the fandom’s reputation in a negative way.

No, Tumblr staff will not come down on you with the ban hammer if you cross-tag. But there will have repercussions: namely, people will block you, including content creators. People will spread the word about you and you will gain a negative reputation, which will diminish the amount of people who see or reblog your content and the number of people who would engage in a discussion with you. And if this isn’t enough of an incentive not to cross-tag inappropriately, consider this: it’s a matter of basic common courtesy. Just because you’re online doesn’t mean you get to leave that behind.

[fn--2187]

Okay first off thank you for responding and being civil. I really do appreciate that and I thank you for doing this. II’m sorry this got long but if you bear with me I promise this will all make more sense. 

“This may surprise you, but not everyone comes onto a fandom platform ready or willing to become engaged in a debate or civilized argument.”

Contrary to your preconceived notions of my personality, no this actually doesn’t surprise me. I may have just started speaking out but I’m not new to Tumblr. I’m well aware of what fandoms use Tumblr for. This is only one of my numerous Tumblrs and is only meant to inspire fair conversation in the Star Wars community. If you don’t believe me, search for sand-pilot-storm. I’d love a follow. 

“Fandom is a creative outlet and a safe space for lots of people, which can take many forms. Fandom is a creative outlet and a safe space for lots of people, which can take many forms. Some people like to get into debates... while others simply want to celebrate the things they love...And all of these are valid. ” 

I partially disagree with your first statement. I want to make it clear that I do understand that you are talking about the creative uses of Tumblr. In my original post one of the first things I say is that Tumblr is used to express our creative mind. I also understand that you mean fandoms are meant to be safe spaces for many people but that isn’t the reality. 

Take the Star Wars fandom as a whole, for instance. If what you say is true, then The Last Jedi man babies cries of shrill horror wouldn’t exist at all. Everyone would be on the same page. There would be no posts about how poorly Rey, Finn, or Rose were treated in their character development. There would be no posts about how The Last Jedi “sucked”. There would be no anti-Rian Johnson tags. Yet, all of this exists and as outlandish as their views may be sometimes they still are Star Wars fans. 

You and I both know that this same thing happens between ships so pardon me if I refuse to see that as truth. Just because you’ve created a community to celebrate something doesn’t mean it isn’t (or shouldn’t be) open to criticism. I’m not even talking about insults, trolling, or abuse. Just valid logical criticism, discussion. What is wrong with wanting to share your opinion, your creative mind with people as well? I’ve seen tons of examples where multi-shippers cross-tag their multi-ship art and no one gives them shit. But when it’s someone’s texted opposite opinion, they are an ‘asshole’?

“ I don’t care what the dictionary says on tagging. It’s not an authority on either tagging or fandom (or even on the English language, for that matter)...They [the rules] have not been certified and legitimized by a higher authority. They don’t need to be. A Fandom [is a] ... self-monitoring community. Within this community there is a code of conduct you are expected to follow.” 

Okay so I’ve got two points.

1. You make a valid argument when you appeal to the authority of a fandom. A fandom is just like you said ‘a self-governing community’. I can’t change or deny that fact. So I guess, I’m a little confused where you think you can deny the fact I stated. Despite what you are a fandom cares about, that is the what tags are meant for. They are given very broad purposes. I’ll give you an analogy of your logic. 

If everyone in the world collectively thought 1+2= 4? Would 1+2= 4 in a numerical standpoint? No, of course not. Regardless of what the world would collectively believe 1+2= 3. That’s a fact and it can not be denied. You can’t just throw out the definition of tagging, just like I can’t throw out the definition of a fandom. 

 2. Codes of conducts and rules are subject to change, while definitions are a little less dynamic. An apple is an apple. Tags are tags. Fandoms are only used for unconditional love and support is a rule - and that can be changed. Maybe these unsaid rules about cross-tagging should change. You seem to think of it as an etiquette problem when we are losing something that’s more at stake here - honesty. Honesty with each other and the ability to recognize it and coexist as Star Wars fans, instead of hiding behind our worlds and violently ripping apart others. Us not being able to share our opinions with each other and solve the root problem of an issue is way more harmful than common courtesy. I’m not talking about being abusive either just sharing opinions. I mean, am I wrong to think that? 

“ When someone comes onto Tumblr wanting to celebrate X, they go into the X tags, looking for X only and nothing else. Hopefully they won’t come across Y because Y bothers them... Furthermore, by cross-tagging unnecessarily you are contributing to your section of the fandom’s reputation in a negative way. ” 

I totally agree except your not dealing with the reality that they will come across Y. And to be fair I wouldn’t want to force their reply to Y. If they don’t respond to Y because they’d rather focus their energy somewhere else, I completely respect that. But I’ve noticed even that even the people who are fond of debate like me shy away from cross-tagging and it’s wrong. All you’ve explained are the consequences of cross-tagging. We both agree that abuse, insults, and harm should be subject to this punishment. But should the people trying to respectfully share their opinion should be subject to the same punishment? Why shouldn’t that change? 

I totally hear what your saying, however. I can even agree with a bunch of your sentiments that you share with me but I am going to stand for this. I’m not going to be scared of blocks, screenshots of my Tumblr, or disengagement. I knew what I was getting myself into when I made this post but I feel like what I’m trying to say is important enough to be heard. I’m not going to be scared of people trying to cut me down for it. Thanks for your time. 

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #…” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“…that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[starawr-deactivated20200502]

Um, people don’t go into their ship tag looking for a fight or a debate. They aren’t looking to win arguments. They just want to see their own ship content. Nobody is obliged to engage with you in a discussion if they don’t want to, and they’re not being childish for doing so.

You can make your own #reylo debate tag if you wanna debate reylo. But don’t encourage putting reylo hate in the reylo tag (crosstagging), and then insinuate that shippers are being childish if they don’t rise to the bait.

[fn--2187]

Before I continue these are your words, not mine. 

“Um, people don’t go into their ship tag looking for a fight or a debate. They aren’t looking to win arguments. They just want to see their own ship content.”

This kind of makes my point, here. An argument, disagreement is inevitable. No one is ever going to see eye to eye on the same thing all of the time. That’s a fact. I choose to acknowledge that fact while you pretend it doesn’t exist (and that’s not an insult that’s just the truth). I’m also glad you used the word debate because that’s all I’m speaking about - a conversation. You should at least be able to have a conversation with someone without resorting to verbal abuse. I think we can both agree on that, right?

“ Nobody is obliged to engage with you in a discussion if they don’t want to, and they’re not being childish for doing so.”

Never said anyone was obliged to engage in conversation with me. It would be asinine for me to demand that. If you’re feeling tired and don't feel like getting into some in-depth conversation, I don’t expect you to respond. I’m talking about the people who don’t want to get into a conversation simply because an opposing view offends them. Like I’m sorry but that is childish. It certainly isn’t the mark of a mature adult. If Tumblr expected everyone to have uniform thoughts and exclusive internet communities, cross-tagging would never be allowed. The cross-tagging sin is just an unspoken community rule and it only hurts everyone because it doesn’t encourage discussion. Just echo-chamber bullshit where people only smell their own armpits and lay upon their high horses. This goes for the antis especially. 

“ You can make your own #reylo debate tag if you wanna debate reylo. But don’t encourage putting reylo hate in the reylo tag (cross-tagging), and then insinuate that shippers are being childish if they don’t rise to the bait.”

So is it reylo hate or a debate like you said yourself? There’s a difference between the two. There’s a difference between that conversation (cross-tagging) that you talked about yourself and hurling verbal assaults (reylo hatred). Like here’s how I see it. 

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends? This is acceptable. It’s just an opinion and is not offensive to any person. This is a good use of cross-tagging.

I wish you racist rapist apologist #reylos would keel over already. This is not fucking acceptable - like at all. This is not an opinion and is just flat out offensive. This isn’t cross-tagging, this is hatred.

If you don’t think there’s a difference between the two, that’s where I part ways with you. We could use cross-tagging to support each other but instead, we use it as a weapon. If you think I’m only using my discussion to bait you into something, then I’m sorry but that’s on you. I shouldn’t have to apologize for every anti that bullied you, especially if I’m not that kind of anti. Look all I’m saying is that antis and reylos should mimic the lessons reylo teaches us all. We can put aside our differences and enjoy this fandom together. :)

[fn--2187]

Star Wars Shippers: Why You Are Wrong About Cross-Tagging

WARNING: If the title already upsets you, then leave now because I don’t support your position. Why should I? No, I don’t support your complete absence of self-control when faced with an opposing view point. That’s ignorant and I don’t tolerate ignorance. No one should tolerate ignorance. So if you want to remain ignorant, leave. 

This here is for grown folks. It’s for the people who can break free from that ignorance and not resort to immediate rage. It’s for the people that can talk and engage in civil, meaningful discussion. On the off chance you don’t agree with my opinion but are still reading anyway, I warned you. With that, I’d like to thank those kind enough to read and a special thanks to those kind enough to participate.

We want to communicate. That’s what Tumblr is for isn’t it? Whether it’s to express ourselves in our creative mind or spread an idea; we want to share our point of view with as many people as we can. So someone came up with a brilliant idea to make that happen - hashtags. If you don’t know what a hashtag is, here’s the operative definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Hashtag (noun):  a word or phrase preceded by the symbol # that classifies or categorizes the accompanying text (such as a tweet)

Okay, are we clear on the definition here? Good. Where the fuck do you see the words internet community or safe space? Maybe I’m missing them or something because I don’t see them. Just to make it abundantly clear, this is how I understand it.

“A word or phrase preceded by the symbol #...” - your subject or whatever you want to speak about

“...that classifies the accompanying text” - your message about your subject. 

So the word or phrase used in the hashtag is specific but the message that goes along with it can be anything. Here are some examples.

They are my sunshine in the rain when it’s pouring #reylo

#Finnrey is the best ship ever!

#Finnpoe is canon. Sorry I don’t make the rules.

I don’t understand why people like #finnrey. The ship is way too vanilla and p much lacks any real emotional investment for me.

Why do people ship #reylo when Kylo has only exacted abuse & harm on Rey and her friends?

So in theory, all of these should work, right? None of them are verbal abuses and they’re all just opinions? Nope. Actually, only 3 of these of opinions would be seen as acceptable. The last 2 statements shouldn’t happen because god-fucking-forbid your hashtag is infested with one (1) opposing viewpoint every now and then. You’ll rise from your hiatus wielding your fiery blade of Tumblr text and deliver swift justice to anyone who dare disagree with you. Oh no, this is a cardinal sin and it cannot go unpunished - the sin of cross-tagging.

Y’all act like hashtags are exclusively internet communities or safe spaces for your likes and interests but that’s just not fucking true - like 0% of that shit is true. You should be able to look at an opposing view point and engage with it. A hashtag doesn’t belong to you or a group of people, it belongs to everyone. If I have something to say about your hashtag then I just have something to say. Deal with that shit! I know you’re not too much of a child to listen to something you don’t agree with. How can you be fair or properly win an argument if you’re not willing to see all points of view? This goes for reylos, antis, and Star Wars shippers alike. 

And I’m not naive. About 90% of the cross-tags are insults and trolling posts (a post on that is coming by the way). I’d be the first to let loose on those asswipes too but I’m not talking about those posts. I’m talking about the posts that actually aim to encourage a discussion between sides. Put on your adult shoes and realize they aren’t making an effort to harm you. Those people only want to talk with you. I mean we’re all Star Wars fans trying to sell #you are vision of what Star Wars should be like. We should all take comfort in that and enjoy this wonderful world together as both fans and friends. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

Thanks guys! I really appreciate if you read the whole thing through. If you skimmed I still love you. I’ve got another post on the way about name-calling in the Star Wars fandom. If you’re wondering why I am even doing this its because I saw this post that kind of pissed me off. I am an anti but I like to listen to everyone’s opinions. I don’t particularly think I can end the entire conflict with one post but I want to be the one to start those conversations with people. Hopefully, you’ll help me?

[thecatsaesthetics]

Found this on twitter, 

His key prediction was wrong, he was someone in the Rey is not a Sky camp….. 

I’m taking this as a good sign. 

[letalestrange-deactivated201905]

[fn--2187]

So excited to see what his character is going to do. The last time Finn used a melee weapon things didn’t turn out too good for him. Also, Phasma is definitely going to be more bad-ass this film. My money’s on where she nearly beats him but discovers he is force sensitive last minute. What do you guys think?

[fn--2187]

The Problem With the Compassion Argument

[Disclaimer: I’m gonna get shit for cross-tagging but I want everyone’s (Reylos too) opinion and debate on this matter. For the sake of saving time I will refer to Reylo shippers as Reylos, so don’t take offence to it. Lastly, please be respectful. Thanks to whoever’s reading this and special thanks to those who were kind enough to respond.]

You may have heard of this argument from Reylo shippers before but, I will reiterate just in case you haven’t. The compassion argument is the reference to a valid, canonized hint toward a Reylo romance in the junior novelization of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. In fact, using the word valid is an understatement. The best word to use is blatant, as it comes across in this conversation between Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren:

Snoke: This scavenger - this girl - resisted you?

Kylo Ren: That’s all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows. 

Snoke: You have compassion for her.

Kylo Ren: No-never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?

Snoke: Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me.

Seems pretty legit, right? Out of no where, Snoke senses this compassion that Kylo has for Rey. I mean right there, that says it all! Why would that be relevant to the discussion at all if Kylo didn’t feel something for Rey? Strangely, I agree with Reylo shippers on this one. It would be false to deny that Kylo feels something for Rey. Maybe Reylos have an argument. The word passion is in the word compassion.  According to the Merriam-Webster definition, the word compassion means “sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others”. You can’t deny that words like love, care, or warmth are synonymous to the word compassion, either.  So Reylo’s canon, right?

Far from it. See what Reylos fail to see is that type of love, care, warmth, or compassion Kylo has for Rey is completely subjective. Don’t follow? Okay, let’s just say I’m a really big fan of the Rey Skywalker theory. When Snoke confirms Kylo has compassion for Rey, I get really excited, too. Why? Because I could just as equally interpret that as Kylo having love, and compassion toward his cousin. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but the word compassion isn’t exclusive to romantically involved people. You can feel love, care, warmth, and compassion toward a member of your family. That’s not impossible for Kylo and Rey either. In fact, I would have more evidence as a Rey Skywalker theorist to support my claim than Reylos. You don’t think so? Take a look at this, then.

You might be familiar with this scene. This was almost directly after the 2nd Death Star was destroyed in Return of the Jedi. Here’s the dialogue that Han and Leia shared in this scene. 

Han: You love him, don’t you?

Leia: Yes

Han: Alright, I understand. Fine! When he comes back I won’t get in the way. 

Leia: It’s not like that at all. He’s my brother. 

This was done once before. You’re telling me that this can’t be the case? Well, hell yes! You could argue that this plot line is too predictable. That’s true but conversely it is different from the more commercial Star Wars plot lines we have seen. The relationship between brother and sister is different enough than a relationship between cousins.

 Notice that I said “different enough” because the choice comes down to what Disney decides will happen in The Last Jedi and the subsequent films. The Force Awakens plot followed A New Hope quite closely. You could say that the Force Awakens was, in a sense, “predictable”. With J.J Abrams heading the direction for this next film, you can say with 100% certainty that “predictable” plot lines won’t be seen again? Ultimately, I can’t debunk  the compassion argument completely. However, I can’t deny that it serves a purpose for plots other than romance between Rey and Kylo. Therefore, the compassion argument doesn’t hold enough water for Reylo shippers. I think it’s tired, overused, and basely inaccurate. But again that is simply my subjective view of Snoke’s meaning. You can take it anyway you want; it’s your ship!

[somaybelikeno]

Ok. You put this in our tag so I’ll bite. (But honestly, could you not bother people in the other ship tags with your anti reylo posts?)

I find it a bit funny that the people from outside the reylo fandom still feel the need to remind us of all the reysky theories floating about out there, as if we haven’t exhausted every possibility there is of rey being a skywalker long ago seeing as it was the most prevalent theory out there even before TFA was even in theaters. Believe me, I can assure you that every reysky theory anyone has ever come up with has not as much been shoved in our faces as they’ve practically been crammed up our noses in the hopes that some of us would actually choke on them. Literally! That’s how important certain parts of the SW fandom believe it is to make sure that we are absolutely aware that Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo are most definitely cousins/siblings/conjoined twins/whatever.

My reply is going to be under the read more, because… er… it got long? sorry…

Keep reading

[fn--2187]

I will bite? This has nothing to do with bait… The point wasn’t to start trouble. I was afraid this would happen. For the record: I’m truly sorry if I bothered you or any other Reylo shippers with this post. But I shouldn’t have to apologize for every anti that hurt you because I am not that anti. I don’t represent all of their views and I’m only using this tag as a vehicle for your honest and unfiltered discussion. We should be able to have conflicting views without calling each other horrendous things for it. Yes, I am well aware that antis started this, which is why antis need to end it. I’m the anti that wants to end this bullshit and regardless of what most anti-reylos would say, I think your opinion is important. I’m not just saying that blankly. Your opinion matters a ton to me. In fact, I’m glad that you responded the way you did because it opens a ton of dimensions and different angles to this argument. 

I feel you may have misunderstood me with the whole Reysky thing. It’s a little late in the game for me to be ringing the Reysky bells. Now while I do support the theory, that wasn’t my intended focus of the discussion. I had multiple purposes with one being the most prominent. I was using Reysky to show how (what was once my view of) the compassion argument can be interpreted differently. In addition, I wanted to show that while the possibility of Reysky may seem near improbable, it’s not impossible. Perhaps the biggest motivator for this post was to make a statement to my anti-community: that I can disagree with someone and still not degrade their character by calling them things they are not: racists, misogynists, or abuse-rape apologists. So if anything this conversation, the Problem With the Compassion Argument, was a little less for Reylo shippers and more for the people that continue to engage in willful bigotry, the people who continue to degrade who you (Reylo shippers) are, the anti shippers I sadly once called my friends. 

Now that’s outta the way. I’d love to address the rest of your post in a separate re-post. You made some great points and even 180′-ed my mind on my view of the Compassion Argument. 

[somaybelikeno]

For the record I’m being more passionate than angry. That said, to me you did come off as more snide than polite in your post as some others seem to think. But I get that it wasn’t your intention. I just don’t believe in thanking people for keeping a somewhat civil tone when that is what should be expected. And ants have come into our tag and inboxes before with disingenuous concern trolling so forgive me if I’m just a little suspicious.

I don’t expect you to apologize for what every anti has done and please don’t. That part of tiumblr culture is something I can’t stand. We can absolutely have a civilized discussion, that would be fine! I’ll keep my bluntness to a minimum, but I’m sometimes terrible at monitoring how I come off to other people in writing.

[fn--2187]

I sincerely apologize for coming off as snide. But I do want to make it clear that I never asked for your thanks toward my politeness. I only asked for you to be respectful. As far as I can tell, you’ve done nothing to offend that and even gave something more to this discussion (which I especially thank you for). Sorry for the late response. Friends?

[fn--2187]

The Problem With the Compassion Argument

[Disclaimer: I’m gonna get shit for cross-tagging but I want everyone’s (Reylos too) opinion and debate on this matter. For the sake of saving time I will refer to Reylo shippers as Reylos, so don’t take offence to it. Lastly, please be respectful. Thanks to whoever’s reading this and special thanks to those who were kind enough to respond.]

You may have heard of this argument from Reylo shippers before but, I will reiterate just in case you haven’t. The compassion argument is the reference to a valid, canonized hint toward a Reylo romance in the junior novelization of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. In fact, using the word valid is an understatement. The best word to use is blatant, as it comes across in this conversation between Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren:

Snoke: This scavenger - this girl - resisted you?

Kylo Ren: That’s all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows. 

Snoke: You have compassion for her.

Kylo Ren: No-never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?

Snoke: Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me.

Seems pretty legit, right? Out of no where, Snoke senses this compassion that Kylo has for Rey. I mean right there, that says it all! Why would that be relevant to the discussion at all if Kylo didn’t feel something for Rey? Strangely, I agree with Reylo shippers on this one. It would be false to deny that Kylo feels something for Rey. Maybe Reylos have an argument. The word passion is in the word compassion.  According to the Merriam-Webster definition, the word compassion means “sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others”. You can’t deny that words like love, care, or warmth are synonymous to the word compassion, either.  So Reylo’s canon, right?

Far from it. See what Reylos fail to see is that type of love, care, warmth, or compassion Kylo has for Rey is completely subjective. Don’t follow? Okay, let’s just say I’m a really big fan of the Rey Skywalker theory. When Snoke confirms Kylo has compassion for Rey, I get really excited, too. Why? Because I could just as equally interpret that as Kylo having love, and compassion toward his cousin. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but the word compassion isn’t exclusive to romantically involved people. You can feel love, care, warmth, and compassion toward a member of your family. That’s not impossible for Kylo and Rey either. In fact, I would have more evidence as a Rey Skywalker theorist to support my claim than Reylos. You don’t think so? Take a look at this, then.

You might be familiar with this scene. This was almost directly after the 2nd Death Star was destroyed in Return of the Jedi. Here’s the dialogue that Han and Leia shared in this scene. 

Han: You love him, don’t you?

Leia: Yes

Han: Alright, I understand. Fine! When he comes back I won’t get in the way. 

Leia: It’s not like that at all. He’s my brother. 

This was done once before. You’re telling me that this can’t be the case? Well, hell yes! You could argue that this plot line is too predictable. That’s true but conversely it is different from the more commercial Star Wars plot lines we have seen. The relationship between brother and sister is different enough than a relationship between cousins.

 Notice that I said “different enough” because the choice comes down to what Disney decides will happen in The Last Jedi and the subsequent films. The Force Awakens plot followed A New Hope quite closely. You could say that the Force Awakens was, in a sense, “predictable”. With J.J Abrams heading the direction for this next film, you can say with 100% certainty that “predictable” plot lines won’t be seen again? Ultimately, I can’t debunk  the compassion argument completely. However, I can’t deny that it serves a purpose for plots other than romance between Rey and Kylo. Therefore, the compassion argument doesn’t hold enough water for Reylo shippers. I think it’s tired, overused, and basely inaccurate. But again that is simply my subjective view of Snoke’s meaning. You can take it anyway you want; it’s your ship!

[somaybelikeno]

Ok. You put this in our tag so I’ll bite. (But honestly, could you not bother people in the other ship tags with your anti reylo posts?)

I find it a bit funny that the people from outside the reylo fandom still feel the need to remind us of all the reysky theories floating about out there, as if we haven’t exhausted every possibility there is of rey being a skywalker long ago seeing as it was the most prevalent theory out there even before TFA was even in theaters. Believe me, I can assure you that every reysky theory anyone has ever come up with has not as much been shoved in our faces as they’ve practically been crammed up our noses in the hopes that some of us would actually choke on them. Literally! That’s how important certain parts of the SW fandom believe it is to make sure that we are absolutely aware that Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo are most definitely cousins/siblings/conjoined twins/whatever.

My reply is going to be under the read more, because… er… it got long? sorry…

Keep reading

[fn--2187]

I will bite? This has nothing to do with bait... The point wasn’t to start trouble. I was afraid this would happen. For the record: I’m truly sorry if I bothered you or any other Reylo shippers with this post. But I shouldn’t have to apologize for every anti that hurt you because I am not that anti. I don’t represent all of their views and I’m only using this tag as a vehicle for your honest and unfiltered discussion. We should be able to have conflicting views without calling each other horrendous things for it. Yes, I am well aware that antis started this, which is why antis need to end it. I’m the anti that wants to end this bullshit and regardless of what most anti-reylos would say, I think your opinion is important. I’m not just saying that blankly. Your opinion matters a ton to me. In fact, I’m glad that you responded the way you did because it opens a ton of dimensions and different angles to this argument. 

I feel you may have misunderstood me with the whole Reysky thing. It’s a little late in the game for me to be ringing the Reysky bells. Now while I do support the theory, that wasn’t my intended focus of the discussion. I had multiple purposes with one being the most prominent. I was using Reysky to show how (what was once my view of) the compassion argument can be interpreted differently. In addition, I wanted to show that while the possibility of Reysky may seem near improbable, it’s not impossible. Perhaps the biggest motivator for this post was to make a statement to my anti-community: that I can disagree with someone and still not degrade their character by calling them things they are not: racists, misogynists, or abuse-rape apologists. So if anything this conversation, the Problem With the Compassion Argument, was a little less for Reylo shippers and more for the people that continue to engage in willful bigotry, the people who continue to degrade who you (Reylo shippers) are, the anti shippers I sadly once called my friends. 

Now that’s outta the way. I’d love to address the rest of your post in a separate re-post. You made some great points and even 180′-ed my mind on my view of the Compassion Argument. 

[john-daisy]

favorite character meme ► seven quotes

[fn--2187]

My god I am so for this!

[fn--2187]

The Problem With the Compassion Argument

[Disclaimer: I’m gonna get shit for cross-tagging but I want everyone’s (Reylos too) opinion and debate on this matter. For the sake of saving time I will refer to Reylo shippers as Reylos, so don’t take offence to it. Lastly, please be respectful. Thanks to whoever’s reading this and special thanks to those who were kind enough to respond.]

You may have heard of this argument from Reylo shippers before but, I will reiterate just in case you haven’t. The compassion argument is the reference to a valid, canonized hint toward a Reylo romance in the junior novelization of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. In fact, using the word valid is an understatement. The best word to use is blatant, as it comes across in this conversation between Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren:

Snoke: This scavenger - this girl - resisted you?

Kylo Ren: That’s all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows. 

Snoke: You have compassion for her.

Kylo Ren: No-never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?

Snoke: Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me.

Seems pretty legit, right? Out of no where, Snoke senses this compassion that Kylo has for Rey. I mean right there, that says it all! Why would that be relevant to the discussion at all if Kylo didn’t feel something for Rey? Strangely, I agree with Reylo shippers on this one. It would be false to deny that Kylo feels something for Rey. Maybe Reylos have an argument. The word passion is in the word compassion.  According to the Merriam-Webster definition, the word compassion means “sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others”. You can’t deny that words like love, care, or warmth are synonymous to the word compassion, either.  So Reylo’s canon, right?

Far from it. See what Reylos fail to see is that type of love, care, warmth, or compassion Kylo has for Rey is completely subjective. Don’t follow? Okay, let’s just say I’m a really big fan of the Rey Skywalker theory. When Snoke confirms Kylo has compassion for Rey, I get really excited, too. Why? Because I could just as equally interpret that as Kylo having love, and compassion toward his cousin. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but the word compassion isn’t exclusive to romantically involved people. You can feel love, care, warmth, and compassion toward a member of your family. That’s not impossible for Kylo and Rey either. In fact, I would have more evidence as a Rey Skywalker theorist to support my claim than Reylos. You don’t think so? Take a look at this, then.

You might be familiar with this scene. This was almost directly after the 2nd Death Star was destroyed in Return of the Jedi. Here’s the dialogue that Han and Leia shared in this scene. 

Han: You love him, don’t you?

Leia: Yes

Han: Alright, I understand. Fine! When he comes back I won’t get in the way. 

Leia: It’s not like that at all. He’s my brother. 

This was done once before. You’re telling me that this can’t be the case? Well, hell yes! You could argue that this plot line is too predictable. That’s true but conversely it is different from the more commercial Star Wars plot lines we have seen. The relationship between brother and sister is different enough than a relationship between cousins.

 Notice that I said “different enough” because the choice comes down to what Disney decides will happen in The Last Jedi and the subsequent films. The Force Awakens plot followed A New Hope quite closely. You could say that the Force Awakens was, in a sense, “predictable”. With J.J Abrams heading the direction for this next film, you can say with 100% certainty that “predictable” plot lines won’t be seen again? Ultimately, I can’t debunk  the compassion argument completely. However, I can’t deny that it serves a purpose for plots other than romance between Rey and Kylo. Therefore, the compassion argument doesn’t hold enough water for Reylo shippers. I think it’s tired, overused, and basely inaccurate. But again that is simply my subjective view of Snoke’s meaning. You can take it anyway you want; it’s your ship!

[quietdreamcatcher]

Hi, I want to add to the discussion too :)

I don’t believe that Rey is a Skywalker. Maz already said that whoever Rey was looking for (i.e. her family) is never coming back. Plus, the long lost relative reveal had been done too many times. In the Empire Strikes Back and in The Force Awakens. I also remember Rian Johnson saying that Rey finding out who her parents are aren’t as important as her own journey of character development. Rey being a Skywalker would shift the focus too much from Rey to Luke. The focus of the story shouldn’t be the identity of Rey’s parents but rather of Rey discovering where she belongs. As Maz said, this sense belonging is not in the past (with her family), it is ahead.

With regards to Snoke’s accusation that Kylo has compassion for Rey, I didn’t interpret that as Kylo having romantic feelings for her. That would be too premature. Rather, I took it as a confirmation that Kylo feels an affinity with Rey. So if Kylo and Rey are not related, and Kylo is going to be redeemed, Snoke’s line about Kylo’s feelings of compassion towards Rey may be a foreshadowing of a future deep bond between them. 

[fn--2187]

Hey! I just wanna thank ya first for adding to the dialogue. :) You’ve been very kind and that goes a long way. Now I’d like to address some things you brought up and suggest some counter points. Feel free to poke holes where you may! 

I’ve heard these points brought up before and I have to admit its tough for me. I cant outright say that what you think is incorrect because you bring up some valid points. But I think this can go both ways. In that scene between Rey and Maz she does state that whoever she is looking for is not coming back. I interpreted this as the family that Rey yearned for, knowing her mother and father. On the back end of that Maz states that there is someone who could still be there; to which Rey voluntarily responds, ‘Luke’. To the average casual fan (not so much an avid reader of the books or extended content), this is a clear hint at Rey’s father being Luke. This can be one of two things: a lot of normal foreshadowing or a huge red herring. And if you think this a red herring I could equally claim Rian Johnson’s words serve the same purpose. For all I know, the recent attempts to detract from a Rey Skywalker character could be an attempt to throw avid fans off to make the surprise much less predictable. So to me the argument here hits neutral ground. It can honestly go both ways on this one. 

[finnreyshitposts]

Fact #258: Team Jedi

Finn: First Order, prepare for trouble!

Rey: On second thought, make it double!

Finn: To protect all space from casualties!

Rey: Unite all people within the Galaxy!

Finn: To denounce the evils of truth and love!

Rey:To extend our reach to the stars above!

Finn: Finn!

Rey: Rey!

Finn: Team Jedi blasts off at the speed of light!

Rey: Surrender now or prepare to fight!

BeeBee-Ate: *Beep beep beep*!

[fn--2187]

Okay this is kinda funny!

[fn--2187]

The Problem With the Compassion Argument

[Disclaimer: I’m gonna get shit for cross-tagging but I want everyone’s (Reylos too) opinion and debate on this matter. For the sake of saving time I will refer to Reylo shippers as Reylos, so don’t take offence to it. Lastly, please be respectful. Thanks to whoever’s reading this and special thanks to those who were kind enough to respond.]

You may have heard of this argument from Reylo shippers before but, I will reiterate just in case you haven’t. The compassion argument is the reference to a valid, canonized hint toward a Reylo romance in the junior novelization of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. In fact, using the word valid is an understatement. The best word to use is blatant, as it comes across in this conversation between Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren:

Snoke: This scavenger - this girl - resisted you?

Kylo Ren: That’s all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows. 

Snoke: You have compassion for her.

Kylo Ren: No-never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?

Snoke: Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me.

Seems pretty legit, right? Out of no where, Snoke senses this compassion that Kylo has for Rey. I mean right there, that says it all! Why would that be relevant to the discussion at all if Kylo didn’t feel something for Rey? Strangely, I agree with Reylo shippers on this one. It would be false to deny that Kylo feels something for Rey. Maybe Reylos have an argument. The word passion is in the word compassion.  According to the Merriam-Webster definition, the word compassion means “sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others”. You can’t deny that words like love, care, or warmth are synonymous to the word compassion, either.  So Reylo’s canon, right?

Far from it. See what Reylos fail to see is that type of love, care, warmth, or compassion Kylo has for Rey is completely subjective. Don’t follow? Okay, let’s just say I’m a really big fan of the Rey Skywalker theory. When Snoke confirms Kylo has compassion for Rey, I get really excited, too. Why? Because I could just as equally interpret that as Kylo having love, and compassion toward his cousin. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but the word compassion isn’t exclusive to romantically involved people. You can feel love, care, warmth, and compassion toward a member of your family. That’s not impossible for Kylo and Rey either. In fact, I would have more evidence as a Rey Skywalker theorist to support my claim than Reylos. You don’t think so? Take a look at this, then.

You might be familiar with this scene. This was almost directly after the 2nd Death Star was destroyed in Return of the Jedi. Here’s the dialogue that Han and Leia shared in this scene. 

Han: You love him, don’t you?

Leia: Yes

Han: Alright, I understand. Fine! When he comes back I won’t get in the way. 

Leia: It’s not like that at all. He’s my brother. 

This was done once before. You’re telling me that this can’t be the case? Well, hell yes! You could argue that this plot line is too predictable. That’s true but conversely it is different from the more commercial Star Wars plot lines we have seen. The relationship between brother and sister is different enough than a relationship between cousins.

 Notice that I said “different enough” because the choice comes down to what Disney decides will happen in The Last Jedi and the subsequent films. The Force Awakens plot followed A New Hope quite closely. You could say that the Force Awakens was, in a sense, “predictable”. With J.J Abrams heading the direction for this next film, you can say with 100% certainty that “predictable” plot lines won’t be seen again? Ultimately, I can’t debunk  the compassion argument completely. However, I can’t deny that it serves a purpose for plots other than romance between Rey and Kylo. Therefore, the compassion argument doesn’t hold enough water for Reylo shippers. I think it’s tired, overused, and basely inaccurate. But again that is simply my subjective view of Snoke’s meaning. You can take it anyway you want; it’s your ship!

[hothmess-deactivated20180710]

Hi there OP! 😃

I don’t think you should get any hate for this post because you were polite, and just wanted different opinions. Hopefully no one will bother you, because you weren’t rude at all. It’s refreshing to see people that just want to debate, and are nice about it. The fandom needs more people like you.

In regards to the post though, I’ll start by saying I’m a Reylo shipper. l’ve just always found the villain x hero dynamic to be quite interesting. And I’m a huge sucker for angst too. I can agree with your points, because it would be setting myself up for disappointment if I didn’t at least try to see some merit in other viewpoints. Though for me personally, I don’t believe Rey is related to the Skywalkers. I came to that conclusion long before I shipped Reylo. The reason I feel that way is because 1) I feel like people are expecting that, and it wouldn’t be much of a shock to anyone. 2) I don’t think Rey needs to be related to anyone we know in order to be important. Would it be really cool if she were? Sure. But I’d be just fine if her parents were unknown to us. If she did turn out to be a Skywalker, I’d be disappointed. Not gonna lie about that. However, I love Star Wars too much to drop everything just because I didn’t get what I wanted. That just seems silly to me. 🙈

[fn--2187]

There need to be more people like you! Thanks for encouraging discussion, mi amigo. :)