I am a multi/poly shipper. Currently most obsessed with onewaybroadcast :3
speaking of, I loooove aroace Alastor <3 so happy that Viv writes him with that in mind I want more kooky aroaces heheh
I love platonic relationships <3 IMP & Radiotrio are my favs when it comes to that, Radiorose too, as well as just the relationships of the Hotel residents in general <3 I am a platonic Radiostatic truther. I will do battle in a Denny's parking lot for it. RAWR!! I want to see them crashout more ✨
Most excited for in S3: MY QUEEN LILITH I’VE BEEN DYING TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT HER!! Also literally anything Alastor. My fav <3333
I do not tolerate hate; be it aimed at characters, ships, or real people. This is meant to be a fun space, and I will block you if you act like this.
I'm really glad that Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss doesn't shy away from serious topics and handles them rather well! We need more acknowledgement of these things, not to 'normalize' them or whatever, but to be able to recognize them when we encounter them in life.
my mind has been rotating alastor and his life for a few minutes and. god. my chest is doing funny turns as i type this because god.
alastor lived in a time where people of color were heavily demonized. treated like the scum of the earth. and we see alastor dealing with this in rosie's flashback sequence. and after reeducating myself on the jim crow era a bit, i found myself thinking "it really is no wonder that, presumably, alastor wanted to hit back"
(mini side rant: it is truly an offense that my school like. didn't touch on jim crow after...what, 5th grade??? I honestly do not recall an instance after 5th grade where we learned anything about jim crow. we read bryan steven's novel Just Mercy in high school English, but the next time i had a civil rights-focused class was my America in the 1960s high school class, which i purposefully signed up for because i knew i knew jackshit about it. it was an elective. it wasn't required. i was the only person in my grade in that class.)
and like, yeah murder is bad. obviously. that should be assumed without saying. but I understand the motivation. he's living in a horrible time, where honestly the only places he's actually welcomed in are the illegal joints like speakeasies. everywhere else he's basically persona non grata. he's not seen as a person, a la the wine glass guy.
and so he starts seeing the people perpetuating this as deserving of his retribution, be it for himself or someone else. he murders them, he takes sadistic joy out of it. he's a bad person. he knows this. internally, he may even agree that he's not human. he knows what awaits a man like him in the afterlife, after all.
so when he dies and goes to Hell, that itself could have reaffirmed that belief.
it kinda reframed that line for me.
alastor plz plz open your brain up i think we're all dying to see what you have going on in there. plz plz plz. with Husk's cherry on top. i need to know what's making you tick. i could be right about this or a could be wrong and IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY BECAUSE YOU, SIR, ARE SUCH AN ENIGMA!!
Hmmmm... once again, that red motif makes it into his design somehow....(look at his coattails) Alastor is the ONLY ONE in the new pride merch with a unique background accompanying him.
Okay so now that Bambi has been canonized can we please have the conversation I've been putting off for like a year
Alastor would hate the movie Bambi with every fiber of his being and not just because it's a movie. That movie would trigger him so hard. First of all Alastor would be pissed at Bambi's absentee father and upset when his mother dies but what I'm talking about is the scene near the end where Bambi is on the run from hunting dogs and a hunter. That is quite literally how Alastor died. Bambi might have survived but Alastor didn't.
If you think about this the nickname Bambi is SO fucked up and I know nobody else is thinking about it as deep as me but if Alastor ever watched the movie Bambi he'd go on a killing spree of everyone who's ever called him that. The only way anyone is getting away with this is because Alastor hates television so he's never seen the movie and never will.
first off, excuse you, you canNOT hide this in the tags
Anyways, never fear for we seem to have the exact same brain bc he would HATE that movie so much, it would be a huge trigger for him. The gunfire, the dogs, the dead mom and shitty father (though I think he might be put a little more at ease about Bambi's dad if he saw the second movie, that healed my daddy issues fr it's so good). All of it combines to make a movie that is Very Bad for Alastor's Mental Wellbeing.
the panic attack from that scene is so bad that it instantly blacklists Bambi 2 bc there's like 2 major dog attack scenes in that one, so even if the dad content is good, someone would have to make him close his eyes and cup their hands over his ears for 2 very considerable parts of the movie (comfort? comfort.) and we all know he would never allow that unless they managed to catch him off guard and like.... this man is hypervigilant af NO ONE is catching him off guard enough to cradle his head to their chest like that. Also if someone held him like that he'd probably like..........start crying. But no one can know that, so he absolutely Can Not let that happen
and NO he did NOT cry when Bambi started calling for his mother SHUT UP (everyone teases him for it, but he was lowkey having trauma flashbacks to his mother's death. Made even worse if you hc that it happened when he was really young like I do)
Just wanna add to this, another film that would be really bad for Alastor's mental health is The Fox and The Hound which...
Likewise hunting dogs and rifles. And also a friendship that completely falls apart as we all suspect happened between him and Vox. Saying goodbye to a mother figure. Y'know.
Idk if this is a safe space to say this but since you’re one of the few people I’ve seen actually be willing to call out Vox’s behavior towards Al instead of just going “Lol he deserved it” I just wanted to say. Season 2 kind of turned me against Vox. I came into the season ready for Toxic Yaoi and Vox’s villian era but what we got was pretty bad. Like yes Al was a dick in the bar but the fact that people believe Sexual Assault,Flashing, public humiliation and having private info about an intimate part of your body revealed on live tv is gross as hell. It’s like if Adolescence made their takeaway “Yeah Katie was a bitch who deserved to get stabbed!” Like they made Vox so gross and made it seem like Al deserved to have actual sex crimes committed against him. It also doesn’t help that I agree with people who say other characters had to take a major dip in IQ to keep him a viable villain. Like ep 4 could’ve been such a good ep and character study for Al and I was looking forward to it what we got was his feelings and hurt and sexual abuse played for laughs and him being turned into a fandom wide joke and getting called a “cuck” and having memes made of his SA and now merch of the humiliation parade. Also this may just be me speaking but as a women it’s also more disturbing to me because the phrases some people use to talk about Al is stuff women who are abused or assaulted hear all the time “She had it coming””She shouldnt have been such a bitch””She asked for it”.I just don’t understand what message the show was trying to send with his story his season. If the show actually showed Vox as being a gross ahole instead of making him sympathetic I could’ve liked him in a love to hate way and it could’ve been a good message about how even messy stalking and Assault victims don’t deserve to be treated to treated that way. Instead we get metas excusing Vox’s SA cause it wasn’t penetrative rape and how he was the REAL victim. Like I said I just don’t understand what the show was trying to say by portraying Vox and Alastor this way this season
This took some time to write because I needed to put all my thoughts together. I understand exactly where you are coming from, and I have a lot of thoughts about it. This is going to be long, and it is not going to be a friendly post for Vox fans, so if you are a Vox fan who doesn't like hearing negative things, I would advise that you stop reading here.
I am someone who went into Season 2 expecting to enjoy RadioStatic, only to find myself learning to hate Vox. My mutuals who ship RadioStatic are the only reason that I don't hate it. However, I do not believe that any of this is the fault of the show. I put the blame solely on Vox fans and RadioStatic shippers. From the moment the episode aired, they started posting all kinds of content to downplay Vox's actions and shift the blame to Alastor. If you dared to mention that Vox sexually assaulted Alastor or any negative views towards Vox over his actions towards Alastor, you would get bombarded by people telling you that you were in the wrong. This has been done using a mixture of excuses and lies.
There have been several excuses made to downplay Vox's actions.
"Alastor has seen people have sex before in hell." This ignores that there is a difference between walking past people having sex or even choosing to watch porn, and someone making you watch them have sex. Alastor could not just walk away in that situation, like he would be able to if he encountered it in the wild. This leads to the next excuse that I have seen.
"He could have just closed his eyes or left." This excuse is victim-blaming nonsense that ignores the situation that he is in. I have seen people use him rolling around on the chair in the episodes that followed as evidence that he could have left the room. This ignores the fact that Alastor is never left alone without a Vee present. Even in the scene that they use as an example, he isn't in another room. He is just off-screen. He also could not just close his eyes. Ignoring the fact that he can still hear them, why would you think he would make himself more vulnerable in enemy territory? He has no idea if Vox will attempt something on him afterwards. He needs to keep himself aware.
"Alastor agreed to be captured." More victim-blaming nonsense. Alastor agreed to be a prisoner and participate in Vox's victory parade. He didn't consent to any sexual activities. Knowing there is a risk is not the same as consenting to it. A girl who gets raped at the nightclub didn't consent to being raped just because there was a risk of it.
"Alastor is a serial killer/bad person." None of which is the reason that Vox is doing this to him. This is being done by Vox because Alastor rejected him, and Vox refused to get over it for 70 years.
"Alastor doesn't seem traumatised by it/isn't a victim." I have talked about this before, but part of why Alastor always makes for a terrible victim is that he refuses to take on the role. He refused to act weak in the face of stalking, and after all that Vox did to him, the most he is willing to let himself complain about is the constant touching. He does not and will not act in the way that you would expect a victim to act. None of this makes Vox's actions okay. We do not measure an action based on whether the victim acts traumatised enough. That is the type of argument used to claim that rape isn't that bad if the victim isn't aware that they were raped. The action is what is wrong, even if the victim is resilient enough to refuse to let it weigh on them. It doesn't diminish that what was done was wrong.
"Alastor is a hypocrite." This one is used to dismiss everything from the sexual assault to the sexual harassment through constant touching. Alastor has touched people in the past, so he doesn't get to call the person who sexually assaulted him "a fucking creep" over their constant touching. This one was bad enough that I had to make a post about it.
These are the main excuses that I have seen people use to try to diminish Vox's actions. In some cases, people have gone beyond making excuses to just lying about what happened in the show.
"Nothing happened" I have genuinely seen someone who genuinely tried to push the idea that nothing happened, and the idea that anything happened is just headcanon. Thankfully, I only saw this from one person and refuse to believe that there are a large number of people who believe this nonsense.
"Alastor has asked to see Vox's dick before" Another one that made no sense. However, this is one of those lies that was designed to paint Alastor not just as not a victim of Vox's actions but as having earned it. The person implied that Alastor had forced Vox to show Alastor his dick when Vox was new to hell. While I have only seen one person try to push this headcanon as canon. The next one is something that I have seen more commonly repeated.
"It was done in reaction to the things Alastor has done to Vox in the 70 years since the break-up." This is a lie that uses a headcanon to claim that Vox's actions are completely Alastor's fault. It is not enough to downplay Vox's actions and say that Alastor isn't a victim. Vox is made into the victim whose actions are purely Alastor's fault.
"Vox stops touching Alastor when Alastor pulls away." This one is used to make it seem like Vox respects Alastor's consent. It gets repeated often, and I am confused every time I see it because it is something easily disproven by watching the show. He doesn't even stop touching Alastor in that song, as soon after Vox flashes light in Alastor's face and grabs his face when he looks away. Alastor complaining about the touching in the season finale is also another big piece of evidence of this that people ignore by calling him a hypocrite.
"It is not meant to be taken seriously." The idea that the show portrays it as a joke has been pushed so many times to the point that people have started blaming the show for not treating SA seriously. However, when Vox first stands up and flashes his dick in Alastor's face, there is a brief moment where you can see Alastor's worry that Vox will escalate to rape. The tension is there until Valentino breaks it with his joke about them having sex, which actually diffuses the tension by making you realise that the threat of rape has passed. Genuinely, the only people that I have seen who think that it wasn't serious are Vox stans and some RadioStatic fans. However, it is so pervasive that there are people who are confused by the fact that they saw it as serious when that supposedly wasn't the intent of the show.
So, as you can see, there was basically a propaganda campaign after that episode aired to diminish what Vox had done. I don't think it was the fault of the show. Memes about it are a natural result of the fandom accepting the ideas pushed by the campaign. I don't care much about the humiliation parade because Alastor consented to it as part of his plan. It showed that despite all the claims that he had a fragile ego, he was willing to put his pride aside to achieve his goals. So merch of it doesn't bug me, even though I wouldn't buy one myself.
The main thing that I would say that I disagree with you on is that it is a bad idea that the show made Vox sympathetic. I actually think it is important for characters like Vox and Valentino to be shown as human beings, not just monstrous abusers, as it is more accurate to how abusers are in real life. I understand how that leads to people getting things wrong, but it also shows how they get it wrong in real life. I have seen people claim that it is wrong to call Vox an incel, and while that might be right, he is definitely a Nice Guy. It doesn't matter if you think that Vox was upset over a rejected friendship. The behaviour that followed definitely falls under Nice Guy territory. Being so unable to take a rejection that you stalk the person, sexually assault and harass them, and when you come to the realisation that nothing you do will win them over, you try to kill them. That is Nice Guy behaviour. People tend to assume that the person stalking a person who rejected them or tried to kill them over it must never have loved them, but Vox is an excellent example of how it works in real life. Even down to people downplaying his actions, if they feel that he genuinely likes her. This leads to situations like a real-life story I was told, where their friends turned against them because they refused to date a member of the group. It didn't matter that they were asexual. It didn't matter that the person was stalking and harassing them. Their friends thought that they should apologise and accept the person because the person liked them. It is this belief that a person's feelings are more important than their actions that has some people claiming that the show will have Alastor apologise to Vox for rejecting him and the results of that rejection. I think if people can break free of that way of thinking using a fictional character, they would be less likely to express it towards real people.
Fuck it I wanna campaign for Alastor for Tumblr Sexyman!!
Idiots are calling him an “industry plant” when this edgy twink is from a 2019 indie pilot that happened to make it big, but he’s YEARS older than that, for fuck’s sake he was made by a deviantART girlie who was RIGHT THERE IN THE SEXYMAN TRENCHES WITH THE REST OF US
but now that the show’s made it big suddenly it’s sooo cool to hate it, fuck that queer woman and her queer show lol
Anyway enough about that we are DOING ALASTOR PROPAGANDA. ALASTOR ONE OF THIS SITE’S BIG HITTERS, STANDING WITH THE LIKES OF THE ONCE-LER AND BILL CIPHER AND SANS UNDERTALE
Design-wise he’s already got it. Tall. Edgy. Red. Suit and bow tie. Carries a cane/staff. C’mon lol.
but on top of that!! Our guy is a sassy serial killer, he LOVES murdering and eating people, and we all know villains make the best sexymen.
He’s theatrical! He tortures people live on the radio so everyone can hear their screams! He literally made a deal with the devil to give him incredible power as soon as he arrived in Hell, and he proceeded to immediately topple long-standing overlords (and carry out the aforementioned torture) because he could! He’s always on the lookout for fresh entertainment!
He likes to dance and sing!
Master ragebaiter!
In life he fought adversity to become a radio host and he enjoyed killing racist fuckwits 💜
Speaking of when he was human, this gif:
Back to demon Alastor, this too:
damn 😳
Not to mention people ship the hell out of him regardless of canon sexuality, can you get any more sexyman than that? Vote for the unhinged deer man who is the EPITOME of Tumblr sexyman please and thank you!!
