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I like this ships even if they don’t end up canon
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I love Luka ok, I’ve only known him for like a day but I will protect him and Mari with my life
why does this show insist that luka and kagami are a threat to the love square when they don’t even bother to further develop them and their relationships with marinette and adrien. Is it bad that i wanted marinette to tear down that picture of adrien? bc i want progress, stop this status quo stuff and have our characters move on please. like i do love the love square, i truly do but rinsing and repeating the same old stuff and continuously embarrassing marinette is not progress. It also feels insulting that the show has created two interesting love interests for marinette and adrien but don’t want to do anything with them.
Like kagami, i was down for her and marinette to be friends and not be pitted against each other, i wanted kagami and adrien to develop in a way that didn’t revolve around his status or her status. I want luka to be more enagaged with marinette, we know that they hang out off screen but i want to see them develop more on screen as well. what was even the point of having him confess when it didn’t change anything? what was the point of kagami confessing when it didn’t change anything?
suppose the point of this rant is that i’m tired and puppeteer 2 was my breaking point, i just want some progress and i want it in a way that’s good to the characters.
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Why Marinette is denied her complexity?
One thing that makes me confused is why the fandom denies that Marinette could be a complex character?
It is normally accepted that Adrien, Chloe and even Felix could be complex characters - which is a fair thought - that the show's writers did not develop to their potential - which is also fair.
But when the discussion is about Marinette, it looks like the possibility of her complexity is... just dismissed?
Partial blame is due how the show's writing a lot of times flatten Marinette's character to her "crush on Adrien" to get her to do what the plot of the episode needs her to do to get going (either to put her where the action will be, or "to commit a mistake to learn a lesson" ou for "comedy" - honestly Marinette's so-called "obsession" is less "personality trait" and more "writer's narrative excuse").
(Also the writers's tendency to use Marinette's perceived flaws - and only her flaws - to get the plot going, while Marinette's virtues are ignored or taken for granted...)
It happens in-universe, when the characters reduce Marinette to her crush. It happens in the fandom, when the fandom does the same.
When Derision came out, a good deal of the negative reactions to the episode was that it was just "a retcon to excuse Marinette's behavior". Except that the episode was not to a excuse, but a explanation - not only for the audience, but for Marinette herself (who had repressed the memory) - of why she reacted the way she reacted...
Marinette have a lot of explore - her possible ADHD/neurodivergency, her anxiety, her criativity and desire of being a creator, her planning ability, her inability of saying no, her kindness, her impulsivity, her challenges as Ladybug and Guardian, how past bullying is still affecting her...
Marinette actually have the potential to be the most complex character of Miraculous Ladybug.
I just wish that such potential is actually allowed to shine...
… I’m sorry but I’m struggling to remember when Adrien invaded Mari’s space, I’m not saying you’re wrong just that I can’t remember
As Chat Noir he does it all the time.
And for the reason he knows he can't be punished for it bc no one knows its him
In Stoneheart/Origins, he’s literally still defending Chloe, despite seeing first-hand how she treats the people around her. And he continues to defend her for three seasons straight. In Despair Bear, when he’s supposedly “holding her accountable” he literally laughs when she makes Mylene and Rose cry at the end of the episode
In Stormy Weather he’s literally just standing there taunting the Akuma, further provoking it. And then when Marientte helps him off the ground, he grabs her hand and kisses it, even though he knows he doesn’t have consent. In Bubbler, he’s literally willingly allowing all of his classmates to be held hostage by an Akuma, and only gets his act together to save them once it stops being fun for him.
Here are some links to my posts calling it out.
https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/649678977952366592/adriens-manipulation-and-how-he-manipulates?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/648671894848028672/thomas-is-a-racist-misogynistic-sexist-predator?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/648365394556502016/thought-would-if-marinette-were-a?source=share
And when he's not sexually harassing her as Ladybug he's manipulating her as Marinette in forms of guilt tripping and etc.
Do you think that a lot of the bad moments that people salt Marinette for are more due the "Marinette must commit a mistake and learn a lesson" Episode Writing Rule than things that she would actually do?
Partly. To be fair, part of it does seem to be based around the cringe moments that the writers threw in because they thought that somehow a teenage girl being embarrassed is what amounts to "humor". These humiliating moments that nobody BUT Marinette seems to experience and have played for laughs. Certainly not to the extent she does.
Not helped is that not only does no one else have to suffer such moments, but when others actively inflict this embarrassment onto her, they're never called out or really even acknowledged for their part. And when any of them experience similar treatment, it's narratively portrayed as sad and something to sympathize with them for.
Chloe pulled a lot of horrible stunts, and the fact that she's not even given so much as a slap on the wrist only further pushes this horrible narrative that it's supposed to funny and no big deal when Chloe does bad things and when Marinette suffers. And especially when Adrien or really anyone else does just as bad if not worse only to have any lesson be actively avoided.
So I think a major aspect of the salt towards Marinette is the narrative around her and how her suffering is portrayed as a joke and as if it's somehow deserved or warranted.
The very first episode had it end on a humor note of her losing out on a modeling chance with Adrien and the ending acting like she deserved it somehow. Let's bear in mind it was Alya pushing her to join and Marinette herself hadn't done anything to really deserve losing out the way the episode did compared with if she'd been actively ignoring Manon or acting like a jerk. As a result, I don't know what the lesson was supposed to be there other than that Marinette can't have nice things.
Reflektdoll was a major episode that showed this issue. ALYA was the one who pushed Juleka out to force Adrien and Marinette together. Even though Marinette told her she didn't want Adrien there in the first place. And yet even though ALYA was the one who caused the situation and MARINETTE was the one who at least TRIED to help Juleka and hear her out, Marinette ended up the one getting the full blame for Juleka being upset and the ONLY ONE who apologized by the end for apparently not doing enough to help Juleka despite her actively having attempted to and being cut off by Alya each time. She also ended up the ONLY ONE who WASN'T in the picture with Adrien. ALYA was in the picture, despite being the one directly responsible and the one who wanted Adrien and Marinette to have pictures taken of them together. All of this together gives the impression the narrative is punishing Marinette and that Marinette is somehow supposed to be the one in the wrong in the situation. Meanwhile, Alya and her actions and her part in the whole mess are simply forgotten.
There are at least four separate instances I can think of off the top of my head of Adrien throwing tantrums in the middle of akuma fights and even going so far as threatening to quit, refusing to work with Ladybug to stop the akuma, and even actually quitting. And each time, either HE was portrayed as the wholly innocent party and/or SHE was portrayed as being in the wrong and needing to apologize to him for...(checks notes) not giving him what he wants: whether that be a date, her identity, Fu's secrets, or not being dependent on him.
Then there's Chloe and Lila. Do I really need to get into them at this point?
And remember the comic and how Marinette ended up naked in New York thanks to a stunt Chloe pulled and instead of ANY punishment for Chloe for theft and leaving Marinette without any clothes, it's used to teach Marinette a lesson about racism? No, I will NOT let that go. Even if they did an "official New York episode" to try and replace it, it showed the depths that the writers would put Marinette through and how they would go out of their way to make it be more of a point to make HER wrong somehow even if they had to make it up and disregard the implications and the person responsible.
It all comes down to this common tendency Miraculous has to make light of the things Marinette goes through and having the treatment of her be their go-to joke.
How do you feel about Marinette and Adrien at this point?
In terms of the ship? Just resigned disappointment.
Like I gave on them (being good, not being canon) in season 3, and then pretty much fell off from there, so I still retain a lot of my original opinions, except from what I’ve been hearing and reading from others.
But ultimately? I don’t think they should be together. Marinette is not comfortable being around him, and Adrien needs to get therapy and focus on making friends like they teased in Origins.
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In Defense of Marinette
I like Marinette. While there are many valid criticisms of her writing, the same can be said for literally every other character and she's actually doing pretty well given that she's the main character. After all, in a show where consistent characterization is an ongoing issue, the one with the most screen time will probably be the one who's the biggest victim of the issue.
This is heavily exacerbated by the rule that supposedly governs Miraculous. Namely that, in each story, Marinette must make a mistake. Or, at least, so says the head writer:
I really do not care what this guy says on Twitter or anywhere else. I only care about what's in the show because, if you have to go outside the text to understand the text, then you have no idea how to tell a good story.
However, unlike many of the tweets that I've seen, this one isn't some BS bit of lore. It's a writing rule and it has substantial backing in the text. It's extremely rare to have an episode where Marinette comes out smelling like roses and that's a problem because Miraculous has over 100 episodes. In other words, to follow this rule, the writers have to come up with over 100 ways for Marinette to be wrong so of course she's going to come across poorly. Why would you do this to your main character?
It's extremely common for kids shows to have a "lesson of the day" element to them. Someone always needs to learn something, but I've never seen a show misunderstand the assignment so badly. Learning a lesson is not the same as doing something wrong.
It's been a while since I watched the 2010 version of My Little Pony, but it really leaned into that whole "lesson of the day" thing and it actually knew what it was doing, so I'm going to talk about it briefly to discuss things that Miraculous should have done.
The first thing to note is that MLP had an unambiguous main character - Twilight Sparkle - but Twilight was not the one who learned all of the lessons. She had a pet dragon and a crew of five friends who would, occasionally, be the ones to learn the lesson because there were lots of lessons that simply didn't fit Twilight's character. Instead of warping Twilight to make the idea work (cough cough Ikari Gozen cough), the writers just let someone else have the spotlight for a bit.
This is an excellent way to build out your cast and Miraculous had plenty of opportunities to do it. For example, Lila should not have been Marinette's issue. The fact that Lila hates Marinette could have certainly stuck around, but the one who takes her down and learns to investigate her sources? That should have been Alya. A liar is the perfect enemy for an investigative journalist, but a poor enemy for someone who shines as a battlefield commander and overthinks when she's given too much time.
Another way that MLP would teach lessons was to have someone other than Twilight or the main crew cause the issue that they then had to deal with. This leads to one of the best moments in children's television:
And, frankly? Marinette deserves a moment like this. That poor girl has been through hell and is never allowed to make the right call when it really matters. The show will even completely rewrite its lore to make her fail (see: Strike Back). That is such an awful thing to do to your lead! Shows about female empowerment should include women feeling powerful and, no, Lila and Chloe don't count!
Also, the show is literally about Gabriel taking advantage of people who are upset. You don't need to have Marinette make a mistake to shoehorn in a life lesson. Akumas are life lesson fodder and season 1 actually seemed to get this. I'm not sure why they switched gears to "Marinette is the star and, therefore, must always be wrong."
The final way that MLP taught lessons was to have Twilight do something wrong because having your main character do something wrong is a totally valid way to teach lessons. It just shouldn't be your only way because you know who is always wrong in children's media?
Villains.
They wrote Marinette like a villain.
And a large part of the fandom hates her for it because of course they do.
You're not supposed to like villains.
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