Everyone's Favorite Rhetorical Prop

Highly disgruntled American/German secular Ashkenazi leftist

[tiktoksthataregood-ish]

[caringintensely]

Experience: Learning the right way to connect the dots.

[telep0rt]

This is the best representation of something I have been trying to explain to people for years!!!! Saving this to my phone so I can routinely pull it out when I need. 

[kidobsolete]

[tikkunolamorgtfo]

So if you look in the lower right-hand corner of that last panel with the unicorn, you’ll see that it looks like something was erased or pasted over. Know why? Because this isn’t the original version of the cartoon.

This is:

Yeah, that’s right. This entire strip is a comment on antisemtism and y’all changed it to be more “fun” and deleted the artist’s signature in the process. So anyway, this isn’t just some helpful infographic or a silly meme, it’s a commentary on how Jews have been getting blamed for world’s ills for 2,000 years, and whoever erased that panel can fuck right off for eternity.

[starlightomatic]

Not to be a bitter Jew but I’m thinking back to all those years when I was in college far away from my family and couldn’t go home for Rosh Hashanah or Passover because I had class right before and after. Meanwhile people can’t or won’t skip Thanksgiving this year even though there’s a pandemic. Astonishing tbh

[starlightomatic]

gonna be spicy and not leave this in the tags

[jewish-humanist-deactivated2020]

I don’t understand the focus some Jewish people give to left wing antisemitism when the clear and immediate threat is right wing antisemitism. Left wing antisemitism is some mean internet posts about Israel. Right wing is literally shooting us in shul and controls the government.

[the-library-alcove]

I personally care about both and feel that you can care about both, instead of remaining silent about the bigotry you face from the people who should, by dint of agreement with political ideology and by the fact that they have positioned themselves as being the proponents of minority rights and protection–except if the minority in question are Jews.

And it’s not just “mean posts on the internet.”  I have been forcibly silenced, banned, censured and censored for being a vocal leftist Jew who was unwilling to denounce Israel at the drop of a hat without qualifications.  Since 2012, I have been chased out of an average of one leftist space a year, nearly every year, for the crime of being such a Jew.  

I have watched leftists cheer the deaths of Jews and regurgitate antisemitism with roots in the blood libels and then, when I try to attempt to correct them, I’ve been given stern warnings and worse.  

I was given a two century ban from the BoingBoing BBS (run by @mostlysignssomeportents​, who, I will note, is Jewish) for daring to challenge the narrative that Jews are intrinsically White on a post regarding a White Nationalist cop spouting antisemitism.  Within four hours, my post was redacted and I was banned from the community by the moderator, Orenwulf.  The mod (who apparently can’t be antisemitic, because his partner is Jewish!) said that I earned my ban for “trolling the community”.  So I went back under a sockpuppet, and actually trolled the community.  I adopted the persona of a belligerent leftist asshole and upped by debating style by several notches to be cruel, nasty, and overall trollish as I made my points, but I never said anything about Judaism or Israel.  End result?  The mod ended up apologizing to me at one point when some of my sockpuppet’s posts got deleted as bycatch from dealing with another mess.  And I kept up that trolling for six months, just to prove my point to myself.  (The same mod, by the way, who took four hours to give me a two century ban, took three days to get around to giving a one-month timeout to someone spouting stuff from the Protocols, and couldn’t be bothered to take any action regarding another antisemite harassing me despite my pleading, to give just two examples).  

And that’s only one of the most egregious examples.  Again and again we see this shit on the left that they don’t care about Jewish lives and safety.  It’s not just “mean posts on the Internet”–it’s when those right-wing monsters come in and shoot up our shuls, the left-wingers go, “Well, they deserved it because they were ‘Zionists’.”  

They’re the ones promoting antisemitic canards, like this example caught by @sorekbekarmi​:

So where are we supposed to go and who are we supposed to stand with if we’re not right-wing assholes ourselves?  If we have any decency and kindness in ourselves, there’s no way that we’ll be able to fit in with the right-wing, who would only use us as weapons against their ideological enemies, and yet the Left makes it very clear that they don’t want us.  Are we not supposed to challenge these supposed champions of minority rights for their hypocrisy, or are we just supposed to sit there and take microaggression after microaggression with a smile on our faces and say to ourselves, “Hey, they’re not actively genociding us, so let’s be thankful that we’re only being compared to vermin!”? 

Is that the standard we’re setting for when we’re supposed to be concerned?

[sorekbekarmi-deactivated2022051]

@jewish-humanist

Its not that no one is concerned with antisemitism on the right - OBVIOUSLY we are. But theres not point DEBATING antisemitism on the right because white nationalists WILL NOT stop being antisemitic. You are not going to change any Conservative minds about antisemitism. You can’t reason with bigots. So people are VERY concerned by it, but no one is debating then because there’s no fucking point.

On the left, there are ALSO bigots who are disgustingly antisemitic and will not be convinced to change. But there are also a lot of potential allies who have learned antisemitism and need to unlearn it. There IS a point directly confronting and debating antisemitism on the left, especially since MOST Jews (in the US, where 51% of Jews in the world live) are on the political Left.

[queerdo-mcjewface]

When I showed up at a protest of a tech company that collaborates with ICE, a white gentile’s first response to seeing my Magen Daivd necklace (before even asking my name or introducing themselves) was to demand my exact position on Zionism. I was there to speak about how my grandfather’s family perished in the Shoah due to the complicity of IBM with Nazis and American refusal to grant them the visas they applied for, as well as the parallels with the current refugee crisis, and to later participate in civil disobedience to pressure the company to stop working with ICE. No one else needed to be asked what they thought about Israel and Palestine before they worked to secure the safety of asylum seekers, and none of the dozen goyim who overheard the conversation spoke up to say how inappropriate it was to demand that I alone give my political position on an unrelated topic. At other events I have heard a Jewish speaker who was talking about the need for Jewish solidarity against the Muslim ban yelled to about Israel in the middle of her speech, seen a sign accusing random Israelis of being Nazi pigs, and had to deal with someone who insisted that it wasn’t terrorism to murder random Israeli civilians.

I do care about right-wing antisemitism, but it doesn’t keep me from attending Trump rallies or Anti-Immigration protests because I didn’t want to go to those events in the first place. As a result of this and many other experiences with antisemitism in left-wing spaces I mostly focus my IRL organizing around a local Jewish organization.

[ladyoftheshield-deactivated2024]

[Image ID:

Tweet by the news network CNBC, @CNBC, verified, on July 1, 2020 at 12:14pm.

Text of tweet reads “Political contributions from billionaires soared from $32 million in 2010 to $611 million in 2018, according to a new study.

The accompanying image shows Donald Trump holding a menorah as he stands next to a white haired woman in white and a short white man. The background of the photo is a symbol composed of the Star of David and some curved lines. The intent of the photo is clearly to associate “Jewishness” with “billionaires influencing political campaigns”

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[thatsummersomeyearsago]

What is exactly “left-wing anti-semitism’ ?

To remind that many Palestinians have been violently chased from their homes in 1948 ? Or that Israel has waged aggressive wars against its neighbors and committed war crimes against Arab populations (see especially the horrors in Beirut in 1982) ? Or perhaps would be “anti-semitic” to have a position of principle against the Israeli policies of occupation, blocade, and colonization of the Palestinian territoties and to oppose Israeli racism towards Palestinians ? Or to oppose the projected annexation of parts of Palestine to the ‘Greater Israel”’ ? Or is it “anti-semitism” to speak about the alliance of right-wing zionists with the American (especially religious) right and on their efforts to influence politics in the US and more generally in the Western countries in the interests of Netanyahu’s Israel ?

As I see, according to some all this not only would be indeed ‘anti-semitism”, but also an anti-semitism… even more dangerous than the murderous anti-semitism of the far-right ! We have thus seen the lynching of Jeremy Corbin as “anti-semite” and “new Hitler”  -the anti-Corbyn smear campaign has of course obviously helped decisively the UK reactonary right to win the last elections there- and some in the USA have even accused for anti-semitism … Bernie Sanders (himself a Jew !) for his critical stance towards Israel. The accusation of being ‘against Israel” is of course aggressively used by US right-wingers (with first of all Trump) against the progressives in the US.

Of course the Left must always fight the real anti-semitism, the anti-semitism of the far-right. But on the other hand the Left must counter efforts to suppress criticism towards Israel -efforts taking place either through intimidation and character assasinations with use of unfounded accusations of “anti-semitism” or even through introduction of repressive measures against people protesting the Israeli policies.

[the-library-alcove]

And here is a prime example of left-wing antisemitism–in the vein of “I refuse to see it, it does not exist, Jews calling out left-wing antisemitism in their home countries are acting to protect Israel”.

Thank you for proving our point; there needs to be some variation on Anita’s Law regarding this sort of thing, that any discussion of left-wing antisemitism will quickly result in displays of left-wing antisemitism.

(And here’s how it’s antisemitic: You automatically brought up Israel, and then also said that the accusations against Corbyn were a “lynching”–so if I was a British Jew with actual experience of antisemitism in the Labour Party, I would not be able to treat you as an ally, because I would be treated as an enemy by you for voicing my experiences)

[thatsummersomeyearsago]

Come on, be sincere. “Left-wing anti-semitism” is in fact just criticism of Israel and nothing else. Or do you dare to claim that the Left promote anywhere in the world real anti-semitism, namely theories that the Jews are by their nature evil or inferior or that they are the root of all the problems in the world  ? Or do you claim perhaps that the Left promote policies of discrimination or exclusion towards Jews, let alone of persecution of the Jews ? Such claims would be simply preposterous.

But it seems that some pro-Israeli Jews are ready to forget the (real) anti-semitism of the right, provided that the latter support Israel, and to consider that the main danger for their agenda comes from the Left, which must therefore be stigmatized as “anti-semitic”. It is well known for instance that a person like Ben Shapiro had tolerated much anti-semitic irony from his ‘colleagues” in Breitbart and that he has even stated that Ann Coulter’s anti-semitism is tolerable, in both cases exactly because the far-righters in Breitbart and Coulter are pro-Israeli and promote Islamophobia. Of little importance is for the rest for people thinking like Shapiro the fact that the White supremacist far-right creates a climate favorable to the apparition of monsters, perpetrators of massacres against leftist people (Breivik) or against Jews or against Muslims or against Sikhs.

 But when the discussion comes to Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar, people thinking like Shapiro are ready to decry with their loudest voice the “anti-semitism’ of the Left. And this exactly because a progressive/leftist government in the US which would take distances from Israel and would not support the Israeli expansionist policies is the worst nightmare of Shapiro, of other influent right-wing zionists like for instance the Koch brothers and more generally of people who prioritize a pro-Israeli agenda. Although I don’t know where you situate yourself in the political spectrum, permit me to say that it seems to me that with your obsession with the imaginary “anti-semitism of the Left’ and your downplaying of the real anti-semitism of the far-right you share the mentality of people like Shapiro…

BTW What do you think on Israel’s intention to annex large swathes of Palestinian territories in the West bank ?

[the-library-alcove]

So, let’s see here…

This is the Basic Test For Antisemitism, and you failed.  Badly.

On multiple levels.

We have the accusation of insincerity for political points in defense of Israel, check.

We have the “we’re not this evil, so clearly we can’t be biased at all against Jews,” check.

And there’s the litmus test at the end of “Are you a Good Jew or a Bad Jew?” by demanding my position on Israeli politics, as is traditional, because if I’m a Bad Jew by having any other position other than the enthusiastic support for the destruction of the Jewish state, then my concerns can be dismissed.  So I refuse to play that game.

And I just hit my bile limit in trying to take apart this array of antisemitic strawmen, so let me address this “preposterous” accusation with link spam:

Or do you dare to claim that the Left promote anywhere in the world real anti-semitism, namely theories that the Jews are by their nature evil or inferior or that they are the root of all the problems in the world  ? Or do you claim perhaps that the Left promote policies of discrimination or exclusion towards Jews, let alone of persecution of the Jews ?

Yes.  Yes to all of those.  

There is the example above of the dogwhistle by a major left-leaning publication.

There are repeated litmus tests by Leftist organizations, including the Women’s March, 

https://www.heyalma.com/everything-need-know-anti-semitism-womens-march-movement/ https://forward.com/fast-forward/377025/chicago-dyke-march-tweets-zio-tears-an-anti-semitic-dog-whistle/ https://www.heyalma.com/as-a-black-jewish-trans-woman-the-chicago-dyke-march-does-not-include-me/

There is the repeated refusal to denounce, discipline or distance themselves from Louis Farrakhan, despite his statements that he’s “not antisemitic, he’s anti-termite” (and that’s a direct quote, made a week before the Tree of Life shooting), to give just one of many, MANY examples of such statements.

There was this lovely poster handed at the 2001 Durban World Conference Against Racism:

I’ll let that speak for itself.

And, no, left-wing antisemitism is not just “criticism of Israel”–that’s just what you like to tell yourselves so that you can ignore Jewish voices that try to call it out.  Like you’re doing.  

All you’re doing with these statements is proving my point.  You’re claiming to be a Leftist and a champion of the underdog–but all you’re doing is proving the necessity of Israel’s existence.  Because I personally wouldn’t feel safe in a political party or country with someone like you running it, because you hate me and want me to shut up and be a good little Jew who you can tokenize.  

Sorry.  I refuse to be party to my own dehumanization.

So go ahead, call me vermin like other Leftists do.  Go ahead and act like other leftists do when Right Wingers massacre us and check to see if we were ideologically acceptable to mourn first.  

And thank you so MUCH for proving my point.  I honestly just prefer the hate I get from right-wingers.  It’s much more honest to get open hate than this cloaked, “Hey, shut up you Israeli agent!  I don’t care if you expanded out lengthy examples previously, I’m going to ignore them all and say that they don’t exist and accuse you of bias–and are you a Good Jew who is for the destruction of the sole safe place you have in the world to run to, or a Bad Jew, who holds any other position?” I just got from you.

[jewish-humanist-deactivated2020]

[sorekbekarmi-deactivated2022051]

Yes, posting weak shitty takes on inflammatory subjects does tend to escalate underlying tensions. You did it. Are you happy?

@the-library-alcove thank you for this EXCELLENT breakdown

[hero-israel]

“Are sexual harassment and child abuse still bad if the perp is to the left of John Kerry? Opinions differ, teach the controversy.”

[chananass-deactivated20210408]

leftist goyim: don’t talk over marginalized groups and listen to them when they say something you or say is racist

also leftist goyim: lmao jewish people really need to stop pulling the antisemitism card every time we say something abt them they don’t like 

[brainstatic]

“Don’t call Trump supporters nazis, it hurts their feelings.”

[jewish-privilege]

Yes, this is real (link to tweet). Yes, Tucker Carlson is literally repeating Nazi propaganda that aided the genocide of the Romani during the Holocaust. Yes, I am furious. 

(Also, although there is a large population of Romani in Romania, they aren’t indigenous to Romania. They’re a diasporic group originally from northern India.)

[tikkunolamorgtfo]

Romani and Jewish have been screaming at the top of their lungs for years about neo-fascism in Europe, and Americans were totally aloof.

Then neo-fascism reared its head in America, but Roma and Jews were left out of the conversation in terms of people being impacted, because our oppression was “over.”

Now Tucker Carlson is on live TV using slurs and Nazi propaganda about Romani people, and I’m 90% most people on the left are just going to ignore it.

[volaee]

It’s fucking starting y'all. It’s happening again.

If you’re not Jewish or Roma PLEASE BOOST THIS.

[grays-matter]

what town is this i’m about to go off on some “locals”

[pargolettasworld]

Jewish and boosting for Roma solidarity, but with the reminder that this is a story from 2017.  This particular bit of Tucker Carlson drivel is long past.  The neo-fascism is stronger than ever.  Jews and Roma are still nowhere to be seen in national conversations about xenophobia.  Don’t just work yourself into a froth about this.  Keep your eyes out for what’s going on now.

[jew-point-oh]

I will end this man.

[carudamon119]

[painstation-deactivated20181026]

baptism

[jew-point-oh]

I feel like Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg perfectly capture the two kinds of Jewish grandpas: the one who spoils you rotten and loves you more than anything in the world, and the one who doesn't send you Hannukah money because you didn't earn it.

[westsemiteblues]

These infuriate me. And by the way, it’s not Jews who keep insisting that whiteness keeps Jews safe.

[wombatking]

They don’t just want us dead, they want us to feel guilty for not wanting to be killed. 

[tributary]

so white privilege no longer exists? what is the takeaway here? i’m confused as to how she made this connection in the first place.

also “pals” or “friends” or heaven forbid “friendos” are so gratingly passive-aggressive, she could say only things that i agree with, my own thoughts, and i would never want to listen to her.

[wombatking]

Her only real “point” seems to be that Jews facing hate crimes are privileged white whiteys and should shut up because other groups have it worse.

Which is the absolute most toxic strain of “oppression olympics”, a term commonly misappropriated to complain about people discussing legitimate oppression instead of people trying to shut up legitimately oppressed groups with garbage whataboutery like this.

[tikkunolamorgtfo]

I tweeted back her pointing out that in addition to being incredibly wrongheaded and insensitive, she was also throwing mixed-race Jews and Jews of colour under the bus. 

She blocked me. 

[tikkunolamorgtfo]

Also, this was her response to somebody else who expressed hurt at her callousness towards Nazi threats against Jews. 

So, in her mind, we are not a distinct ethnic group, but merely all run-of-the-mill white people who happen to practice a different religion. 

She has absolutely no idea that we are an ethnoreligious group or that we vote differently and are viewed differently by white America. 

And she doesn’t care. 

[libhobn]

She just lost herself a Jewish pal. Bye.

[informationseeker]

I keep seeing people making this argument that white/white passing Jewish women are part of the 50 percent of white women who voted for trump. I have seen people use the term “your people” to describe Jewish women like amy schumer and lena dunham protesting trump. Like you can’t complain when your people elected him. Where’s the evidence?

Jews voted for Hillary by a wide margin. The pew study on American Jews showed that Jewish women are more liberal than Jewish men.

Why are we getting lumped in with this 50 percent number when there is no evidence we voted along those lines.

[treasurecreekdad]

At a restaurant last night, I overheard a conversation at the next table about how “Jews all voted for Trump.” It’s completely racist and not true but it was even worse considering it was a table of white men- the last demographic who should be pointing fingers about Trump’s election.

[westsemiteblues]

76% of Jewish voters voted for candidates other than Trump. 70% went for Clinton. Assuming that, as usual, women skew more to the Democrats than men, VERY FUCKING FEW JEWISH WOMEN VOTED FOR TRUMP.

We don’t vote like white people. We have NEVER voted like white people. More Latino voters than Jewish voters voted for Trump. So coming to me with ‘white women voted for Trump, so it’s too hard to give Jews solidarity against FUCKING RACIST BOMB THREATS’ does not exactly hold water.

[wombatking]

We’re white when we need to be white for them to hate us. We’re not white when we need to be non-white for them to hate us. 

We’re the universal unifier of bigots. Everyone can find an excuse. 

[fromchaostocosmos]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[twodotsknowwhy]

Also, I just realized the absurdity of her first sentence “Jewish pals are freaking out over bomb threats to schools” like, how else are we supposed to react to bomb threats to schools? “Haha, it’s okay, blow up our children, we’re white so that doesn’t bother us”?

[hazel2468]

We are white when it is convenient and non-white when it suits them. When we experience violence because we are Jews, we need to shut it cuz hey, we’re just white people.

There is a legitimate convertto be had about how white-adjacent Jews access privilege and how we perpetuate racism.

But right now? The discussion is being used to deny us the action, advocacy, and basic empathy that other marginalized groups get, because hating Jews is the one thing the Left and Right agree on right now.

[hero-israel]

Shorter OP: “the Jews are our misfortune”

[jewish-privilege]

A penny to the head, a fist to the face, scanning for horns… when did it first happen to you?

(source, source, source)

A penny to the head, a fist to the face, scanning for horns… when did it first happen to you?

A call from a British Rabbi for Jewish Twitter users to share their #FirstAntisemiticExperience has yielded a surge of painful memories on the social media site.

Rabbi Zvi Solomons serves the Jewish Community of Berkshire, an Orthodox community in the English town of Reading, barely half an hour train ride west of London. Responding to an historic high of anti-Semitic incidents in the UK — as well as to the very public accusations of anti-Semitism in the British Labour party, particularly from leader Jeremy Corbyn — Solomons asked Jews to share their earliest memories of enduring slurs and violence.

The hashtag has succeeded in demonstrating that the problem of anti-Semitism is “universal,” says Rabbi Solomons, noting that examples range from outright violence to subtle prejudice.

The answers are both painfully varied and painfully overlapping: many report experiencing violence, discrimination from teachers, slurs from childhood friends, Holocaust denial, approval of the Holocaust and taunts by Evangelical Christians. Of the growing hundreds of responses, the preponderance are from British Jews (helped by the fact that Solomon is British, working at a British congregation) with American, Canadian, and other European Jews chiming in. A surprising number mention violence. Many come from younger Jews…

My first antisemitic experience was during kindergarten (age four or five) and being asked on the playground why I or “my family” killed Jesus. I didn’t even know who Jesus was.

[jewish-privilege]

Hey everyone? Please don’t do this. I get that you mean well, but… We all know Jesus was Jewish. Christians white, non-white, American, and non-American also know Jesus was Jewish. That has never mattered to any Christian. Of course it’s illogical; it’s prejudice and hatred. 

We also know that theologically and historically, Jesus has both been de-Judaified by all forms of Christianity and Jesus’s death has been blamed on the Jews. It’s literally in the Christian Bible (Matthew 27:24-25, John 19:16). Saying that Jesus was Jewish and therefore Christians shouldn’t hate Jews ignores about 2000 years of institutionalized antisemitism from Christians and Christian communities. It’s only relatively recently that Catholicism (Vatican II in 1960) and some forms of Protestantism (e.g., the mainline Protestant Lutheran Church in 1998) have dealt with and apologized for their institutionalized charge of deicide and Christian antisemitism. 

There are still Christian denominations that teach Jewish deicide while still explicitly stating Jesus was Jewish. because his Jewishness isn’t related to us being a cursed people who refused to see the “truth” of Jesus’s divinity. And as Ephraim the Syrian (amongst others) taught, Satan continues to dwell amongst us while we’re forced to eternally wander the world in exile as punishment for being Christ Killers. Because it’s all there in Christian scripture. This is a Christian thing; not a white American Christian thing.

[partyinvalhalla]

The memory of it was vague, but I recall in third grade some kids found out i was jewish and started making ‘pizza’s don’t scream when you put them in the oven’ jokes at me

[snarkybluechristian]

This shocks me. I have been a Christian since I was 10-years-old and I have never ever been taught that this behavior was anything other than evil. I thought it was something that happened in the Middle Ages from people who forgot that Jesus asked God to forgive his murderers on the cross or insane white nationalist terrorists. I’ve never met another Christian who thought this behavior was acceptable. I’ve heard the jokes but no one was ever serious when they made them.

[keshetchai]

Maybe the “"jokes”“ were just feeling out whether or not you’d object. Maybe they were never jokes.

[jewish-privilege]

@snarkybluechristian I mean you’re saying right there in your response that Jewish people and not the Roman occupying government killed Jesus. (”Jesus asked God to forgive his murderers on the cross…”) Anyway, like @keshetchai said, next time you hear any of these non-serious jokes, see if any Jewish person sees them as “jokes” or if it’s only the other Christians who think saying we’re condemned to hell because we killed Jesus or that calling us Christ Killers is funny.

[snarkybluechristian]

I guess I never thought of the jokes that way. I usually call people out when I hear them. I don’t like listening to them. They’re horrible. It’s just that whenever I heard them they were from a bunch of teenagers trying to be offensive. They also made racist jokes and sex jokes along the same vein.

As for the murderers thing, you are right. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus. The Disciples scattered and left him. His best friend Peter denied him three times. The Pharisees arrested him and carried out the mock trial meant to condemn him. The Romans were the ones who flogged him and crucified him. I’m sorry I didn’t make that clear. I never meant to push deicide.

What I should have said was that Jesus asked God to forgive all his enemies on the cross, the devotees who turned on him, the Pharisees who condemned him and taunted him as he died and the Romans carrying out his execution.

But those who hate the Jews completely misunderstand the purpose of the crucifixion. Jesus knew he was going to die anyway. He had agreed to it as the Son of God before he came to earth. It was a choice he made even if it terrified him. It was what had been prophesied and what had to be done to cleanse the sins of mankind. It was his sacred mission that he humbly bore. It was destined to be, and it is the reason that humanity can be right with God.

When Jesus was resurrected, he took no vengeance on anyone who took part in his misery. He showed himself to his disciples who abandoned him and even forgave Peter for denying him. He told his disciples repeatedly during his life that taking vengeance was not the way he wanted them to live. Before he went back to heaven, he told his disciples to spread his message of love and redemption to all the world. Carrying out vengeance goes completely against this.

The only Christians who think it’s okay to be anti-Semitic are those who don’t understand Jesus’ message and why he came to earth in the first place.

[rose-in-a-fisted-glove]

Great but none of that matters at all. Antisemitism isn’t some theoretical Christian debate. It is our lived existance. And frankly, we deserve better than ‘be nice because Christ told us to forgive all our (((enemies)))’

[jewish-privilege]

What @rose-in-a-fisted-glove said. 

@snarkybluechristian yeah, okay they’re still Christians, and it’s still based in Christian theology; some of which you’re repeating whether you realize it or not. You’re just casually ignoring about 2,000 years of state and church sponsored antisemitism and Christians who did understand Jesus’s message and slaughtered us anyway.

I’m assuming you’re a Protestant? Look up Martin Luther sometime. He was a good Christian and understood Jesus’s message. Yet he still stated that Christians should “[s]et fire to their synagogues or schools,” Jews’ homes should “be razed and destroyed,” Jewish “prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, [should] be taken from them,” and that “their rabbis [should] be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.”

To distill it way down, in First Century Judea there were four main schools of Jewish thought/teachings: Pharisees, Essenes, Sadducees, and the Zealots. When the Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, the Mishnah was compiled and written down with the Pharisaic traditions as authoritative. In other words, Pharisees are the pre-cursors to Rabbinic Judaism.: the Judaism that modern-day Jews practice today.

When you say “the Pharisees who condemned him and taunted him as he died and the Romans carrying out his execution” you are talking about us. Stop trying to explain Christian theology, history, and antisemitism to me. A better use of your time would be to have a reckoning with the antisemitism that is there in your scriptures and not telling a Jewish woman that all those Christians who called her, her family, and her ancestors a Christ Killer who is condemned to perpetual exile because they have the blood of Jesus on their hands just didn’t understand Jesus’s message fully.

They understood it fine when they weren’t talking to us Christ Killers, oh I mean Jews.

[labiaamenorah]

maybe you shouldn’t hate people because it’s not right to hate people, not because your deity may or may not have been the same ethnicity

[jew-point-oh]

There are only two kinds of Jewish jokes: anti-Semitic ones and ones goyim don't get

[jew-point-oh]

Thankfully, my eight-month-old kitten Helena is not a big fan of people food, but she has a weakness for my homemade challah. I am proud to be raising a nice Jewish cat.

[jew-point-oh]

On that note please ask me about my theory that all cats are Jewish and all dogs are Christian.

[jew-point-oh]

Thankfully, my eight-month-old kitten Helena is not a big fan of people food, but she has a weakness for my homemade challah. I am proud to be raising a nice Jewish cat.

[punkass-diogenes]

My Christmas Eve aesthetic: drinking Winter Jack in my bedroom with my cat, wearing my Elf boxer shorts underneath my A Christmas Story pajama pants, reading a Margaret Atwood book while my challah dough rises.

[nerdyqueerandjewish]

Damn sexy, you look good! In a non-creepy way

If you’re crushing on me you’re basically halachicaly obligated to tell me

[punkass-diogenes]

[twodotsknowwhy]

Let’s get into the true spirit of Chanukah this year and overthrow the government

[jew-point-oh]

Less evil lawful, more good falafel.