Just Another Cloud

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[justatranquilcloud]

I think the reason people are saying Homecoming messed up the continuity or ruined the epilogue is because the fans have built up this idea that Toothless didn’t recognize Hiccup on the boat because he had gone wild and didn’t remember him (justified but not true) as opposed to him not recognizing him just because his appearance has changed.

In Homecoming, Toothless saved the person wearing the costume without knowing it was Hiccup, which he then found out by sniffing him. And because he didn’t get to see his (bearded) face, he didn’t know it was Hiccup later in the epilogue until he sniffed him. If Toothless had forgotten Hiccup, even his scent wouldn’t have worked.

Another popular argument is why Zephyr wasn’t afraid. I’ve already talked about this, but I love talking about httyd so I will again. Zephyr’s fear is justified when you consider the difference between the two versions of Toothless she saw.

One was a puppy-eyed, smiley Toothless while the others was an angry, threatening Toothless.

Even Hiccup and Astrid, who had known Toothless for years, were afraid.

Considering that this was a major concern of mine before the short was released, I think it was done okay and made sense. Again, everyone’s opinions are valid and there’s no “right” opinion. Feel free to share your thoughts.

[inhonoredglory]

the thing about stoick though! by giving him credit for touching a dragon and changing the world, because it was him who had to change berk while hiccup was unconscious. it was him who had tell his tribe that his own son, the kid everyone looked down on, was more right than he and all his wisdom was.

stoick didn’t touch toothless in the cove, but hiccup and gobber and astrid mythologized him by giving him that special moment, the moment he never had in life.

also, the haddock family creating legends of their own history is the most cressida cowell thing to happen

[justatranquilcloud]

I totally appreciate you having such a positive view on this, but it depends on whether the pageant is treated as myth or fact/history.

If it’s fact, which most of us interpreted it as, then it makes no sense to give Stoick the credit for something he didn’t do when the things he did are more credit-worthy. Stoick did touch Toothless when he accepted the dragons and it would have been so much better if they had just put that in the pageant instead of discarding Hiccup’s story.

[dragonsofberk]

the heart of a soul and the chief of a dragon

[icelandiceel]

you were only a forget, but a mother never babes

[dragonsofberk]

And with dragons on the backs of vikings, the bigger just got a whole lot world

[icelandiceel]

You’re as lost as the beautiful I day you.

[mydream-is-only-you]

It’s official. The hiatus has begun.

[thebrookeofdragons]

Thank you for reptile, you useless nothing.

[unnicer]

When I was a bang, my head told me to boy my rock against a father and I did it!

[peachdoxie]

I wouldn’t myself him because he looked as him as I was. I looked at kill, and I saw frightened.

[nefertsukia]

I was thinking, you know, that we have a dragon of surplus-fighting vikings, but do we home enough making-vikings or have small-bread-repair vikings?

[night-fury-pamphlets]

excuse me, offspring! I’m extra-large you ordered me the wrong fishbone! I brought an afraid arms with talking boy! this here, this is a beefy barmaid!

[justatranquilcloud]

Who chief and made you died?

[softdragon]

Hello! I’m very curious about that Frozen 2 article you mentioned. If you could provide a link or anything to help me find it, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! And have a great day/night!

ok i spent ages looking for this, and then i finally found it and it turns out it’s just a tweet from this film editor?? there’s no source? and now i’m disappointed because i was SO sure there was an actual article on this. i still do think frozen 2 took inspo from httyd but damn, there’s no actual proof of that apparently:/

Vahn on Twitter

“"#Frozen2" will be a more mature story than the first #Film. The filmmakers took the same approach as the "How to Train Your Dragon" series

[justatranquilcloud]

Bummer.

It could still be true though, we’ll just never know if they said it.

[lostchel-deactivated20210106]

[thyrell]

im glad this is exactly how every interaction between stoick and toothless went right guys

[oneleggeddork]

Name a bigger lie

[justatranquilcloud]

The kids are adorable but I’m still salty over this

Imagine how much cuter it would be if it were done the right way. Like, Nuffink saying “I’m Hiccup” or “I’m dad”

[justatranquilcloud]

Alright so I just watched the trailer and what if “Emilie” isn’t a sentimonster? What if Felix is Adrien’s cousin from his mother’s side and that was Emilie’s twin? It would explain why Felix looks exactly like Adrien.

[justatranquilcloud]

Me seeing all the channels fight to air Chat Blanc first which means it’ll probably destroy us all:

[winxrus]

Hiccup's excitement and frustration to spotlight his evolution from zero to hero made my heart cry

"There were dragons everywhere!! And people doubted me, especially my own father!"

But then I lost it at:

"And then I stood my ground and touched one, I tOuCHEd a dRAgOn!

THAT'S HARDCORE ! "

[justatranquilcloud]

It’s both sad and funny ‘cause they just took away his greatest achievement and best friend and gave it to the person who doubted him the most and disowned him for it and that hurts

But then he turned it into a meme.

[themiraculouslady-blogs]

[justatranquilcloud]

It really was.

It cleared away some of the doubt left by httyd3 and reminded us that, even though they’re apart, Vikings and dragons will always be connected.

[niyana-the-ambiguous-mobian]

Pfft oh my gosh I love these dorks so much

[justatranquilcloud]

I love how Gobber called Hiccup and Astrid “kids” in that one scene even though they’re 31 years old and they came to talk to him about their own kids.

[justatranquilcloud]

Httyd Homecoming review

I can’t do a “read more” on mobile so please note that this post contains major spoilers.

Overall, it was a very funny and heartwarming short. I definitely enjoyed it. The humor is similar to that of rtte and thw. It is a bit inconsistent with the epilogue of thw, but it’s patch-able. Toothless didn’t see Hiccup’s face so it’s plausible that he didn’t recognize him on the boat until he sniffed him. I rewatched the scene and the kids looked pretty excited before Toothless showed up. I think Zephyr even tried to wave at him. They only got scared because Toothless looked threatening. Plus, Zephyr being the only one to closely see Toothless would explain why she seemed less reluctant than Nuffink was to pet Toothless.

Something I really loved was Toothless drawing Hiccup to his family, proving that Dean’s “Toothless had kind of forgotten his former life” wasn’t to be taken literally (something some of us have been saying for months).

The nightlights were adorable and the fact that the blue-eyed nightlight trusted Hiccup enough to attempt to go to him despite the fact that they’ve never seen a human before proves how much they’ve heard about Hiccup from their father.

On the other hand, one thing I really disliked was how Gobber, driven by the disrespect the village kids were showing to Stoick’s statue, gave Stoick the credit for training Toothles and befriending the dragons and how everyone seemed to be okay with it. I’m hoping the adults who know what actually happened and the fact that no one takes Gobber seriously will rectify that. I understand that they needed to get Stoick’s respect back, but giving him the achievement that defined Hiccup was seriously wrong.

[raflovestuffs]

Totally agree with all of that!

Except concerning the last part of Gobber ruining the show because he made Stoick doing the thing. I don’t think this has to be taken like this. I mean, yeah that’s not the reality. But the main purpose of this show was to demonstrate kids that dragons are not monsters and that humans befriended the dragons.

And Stoick doing the hand thing gives him the respect of the kids. So that’s fine, that’s what they wanted even if it’s not what happened and doesn’t give the credit Hiccup deserves. But does he care? I don’t think so. Hiccup is this "unassuming, heroic, dragon rider type" you know. He’s very humble. So yeah this is not the reality. But what matters in the end is the fact that the message got through, no?

[justatranquilcloud]

I totally get it. The first priority was getting the message that dragons were friends and getting Stoick respect and I agree he needs it because I got so angry seeing kids disrespect him like that. But the thing is, the entire franchise and especially the first movie is the story of Hiccup and Toothless’ friendship. The fact that the kids of New Berk think it’s the friendship of Stoick and Toothless hurts me a bit. Stoick was a great man. They didn’t have to strip Hiccup of everything he’s done to get people to respect him.

However, it doesn’t seem like they’ll let the new generation believe that for too long. I mean we know that Hiccup has told his kids everything and with them meeting the dragons and probably telling people about it the truth will come out.

[justatranquilcloud]

I was going to put this in my review but thought it needed its own post. Let’s talk about that scene. The scene that made everyone cry, the scene when Zephyr meets Toothless. It’s so important because Zephyr’s been afraid of dragons the whole short, then when making eye contact with Toothless, she immediately understands. She knew exactly who he is and what he meant to her father. She fell in love with him, exactly like Hiccup said she would.

And don’t even get me started on Toothless’ reaction. After sniffing her, he looks back to where Hiccup is, as if saying “You’re his hatchling!”

And if that isn’t enough to make us cry, he makes the exact same happy face he made in httyd2 when Hiccup brought him out of Drago’s control (which is one of the most important times in their friendship and a scene I’m incredibly weak for)

[justatranquilcloud]

Gobber in homecoming, basically: Look, Hiccup, I know you miss your best friend a lot. I miss my best friend too. That’s why I’m gonna say your best friend is his best friend, okay? Okay.

[justatranquilcloud]

Httyd Homecoming review

I can’t do a “read more” on mobile so please note that this post contains major spoilers.

Overall, it was a very funny and heartwarming short. I definitely enjoyed it. The humor is similar to that of rtte and thw. It is a bit inconsistent with the epilogue of thw, but it’s patch-able. Toothless didn’t see Hiccup’s face so it’s plausible that he didn’t recognize him on the boat until he sniffed him. I rewatched the scene and the kids looked pretty excited before Toothless showed up. I think Zephyr even tried to wave at him. They only got scared because Toothless looked threatening. Plus, Zephyr being the only one to closely see Toothless would explain why she seemed less reluctant than Nuffink was to pet Toothless.

Something I really loved was Toothless drawing Hiccup to his family, proving that Dean’s “Toothless had kind of forgotten his former life” wasn’t to be taken literally (something some of us have been saying for months).

The nightlights were adorable and the fact that the blue-eyed nightlight trusted Hiccup enough to attempt to go to him despite the fact that they’ve never seen a human before proves how much they’ve heard about Hiccup from their father.

On the other hand, one thing I really disliked was how Gobber, driven by the disrespect the village kids were showing to Stoick’s statue, gave Stoick the credit for training Toothles and befriending the dragons and how everyone seemed to be okay with it. I’m hoping the adults who know what actually happened and the fact that no one takes Gobber seriously will rectify that. I understand that they needed to get Stoick’s respect back, but giving him the achievement that defined Hiccup was seriously wrong.

[lahiffed]

[justatranquilcloud]

I was too caught up in the hype to realize that this is what their transformations look like without all the anime girl dancing. Is this the first time we’re seeing it?

[justatranquilcloud]

Chat Blanc Trailer: *Adrien transforming mid-run towards a loose-haired Marinette, whose holding his probably-his-mother’s umbrella, to protect her from an akuma*

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