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your local problematic jason todd stan. @khthonicEcho ao3

[silima]

it's always funny to me when ppl act like it's somehow incestuous for characters who consider each other found family/chosen family/whatever u wanna call the trope to date each other, and it's funny for many reasons, but most specifically it's funny because irl when you meet a person and get really attached and decide that you want to be family with them, there's a very popular legally recognized way of doing that & it's called marriage

[derinthescarletpescatarian]

Marriage promotes incest because then you end up having sex with a family member

[heisoark]

fuck around and find out what happens

[batsandbirdsandothers]

[twistpixel]

ideally jason should be at any moment really close to saying some really cringe shit like "woe betide any who would cross my path"

[dictearchive]

[wildlith]

Man, Batfam fans will just straight up give Hal the opposite of his canon personality if it will help them shit on him. I guess it's easy to make shit up if you refuse to engage with canon. Thanks for putting this in the Hal Jordan tag! It has been about two seconds since the last batspammer dropped a deuce in here.

[gigifluidcat-deactivated2026042]

Are they incorrect though?

[wildlith]

I mean, none of these panels prove what OP was trying to claim? None of them show Hal insisting on full attendance at meetings or being shocked at the existence of Bruce's Robins? Like what does Parallax have to do with it? Do you think Parallax was insisting on full attendance at JL meetings?

You're just trying to use them as a gotcha because they're just examples of white male writers from the 90s or earlier being gross (at least, the ones that actually happened before being retconned--one of them is an imagined sequence, which you wouldn't know because you don't read comics) but they have literally nothing to do with how he was presented in the fanart above. You can't disprove me because I'm right, all you can do is dig up noncanon shit from the 1900s in an attempt to derail the argument. But here's the thing--you can dig up panels of every hero being gross, it's a side effect of the fact that white men were running the comics industry from the start. Batfam fans will go on and on about how panels of Batman or their other faves being horrid don't count because the writers don't understand him or it was OOC or retconned or whatever, but once it's a character they don't like? Then it's fundamental to his character. Then they get to spam their hatred in character tags forever so that people who want to use those character tags to actually build communities can't reach each other because it's just a flood of OOC garbage. Because fuck everyone who isn't a batfam fan! They should just kill themselves, right?

So really, all you've done here is prove that batfam fans are scummy, though I already knew that, given the insane amount of racism, classism, and other assorted garbage they shit into the other DC fandom tags on a daily basis. GL comics might have been gross back before any of us were born, but Batfam fans are being gross today.

[deadboyswalking]

what was in that clown's espresso that made one of the most powerful men in the world act like this for 20+ years

[oifaaa]

When I tell you guys people are very confused about what a hot water bottle is im not gonna lie its bringing me so much joy

[bughat]

Still working my way through Marjorie Liu's X-23 and having a really good time. I also gotta say...maybe if I'd read more of their interactions previous to this book I'd feel differently, but it was a blessing for Laura to get the hell away from Julian. I keep seeing people arguing his case and hating on Liu for his writing, but I'm not seeing it. It can be true that a young character can be working through some heavy shit and also be a toxic asshole to people around him, especially the girl he's clearly decided is his to pin all his personal expectations on. He clearly cared about Laura, but most of his interactions with her was 50% being a massive, self-centered tool to her and 50% apologizing for being a massive, self-centered tool to her. After a while, the apologies don't at all make up for what came before them. People also bag a LOT on Gambit for getting threatening with him while kind of glossing over the fact that that was in response to his getting angry and physical with Laura a few seconds before when all she was trying to do was walk away from him.

[newx-menfan]

and of COURSE this person obviously never read NXM 🙄

[sylvanwhispers]

If I never have to hear people forming opinions about Hellion solely off this godsforsaken book it’ll be too soon. Julian may be an ass, but a selfish ass who intimidates women??? FUCK NO?

The “joke” of Julian’s character is that he’s deliberately rude and stand-offish whilst being so intensely principled, such a good and trustworthy leader who advocates for his people and holds their every vulnerability, that it got him risk-flagged by the government as a effective organizer for a mutant uprising.

[khthonic-echo]

OP blocking everyone who disagreed with their uninformed take, yeeting most of the comments off the post and thus perpetuating mischaracterization unchallenged, is truly sublime

[wajjs]

okay community service for those who like batfam aus where they are lanterns:

INDIGO CORPS, AKA COMPASSION, AKA THE INDIGO TRIBE IS NOT A GOOD CORPS.

INDIGO CORPS IS WHERE CRIMINALS ARE ENSLAVED AND MIND CONTROLLED AND FORCED TO DO THINGS AGAINST THEIR WILL.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY PSYCHOLOGICALLY TORTURED TO THE POINT ONE OF THE MOST BASTARD VILLAINS COMMITS SUICIDE JUST TO ESCAPE FROM BEING ENSLAVED BY THE INDIGO RING.

and also:

THE BLACK RING, AKA DEATH, REQUIRES YOUR BLORBO TO DIE IMMEDIATELY BEFORE GETTING THE RING. AND THEN YOUR BLORBO TURNS INTO BASICALLY A ZOMBIE.

and also:

LARFLEEZE WILL NOT LET YOUR BLORBO GET AN ORANGE RING. LARFLEEZE WILL KILL THEM BEFORE THEY CAN FINISH GETTING CHOSEN BY THE RING. NO IFS OR BUTS. LARFLEEZE WILL YELL MINE AND THEN IT'S LIGHTS OUT FOR YOUR BLORBO UNTIL THEY WAKE UP FOREVER TRAPPED IN LARFLEEZE'S COLLECTION

[wajjs]

I guess a summary of Guy is that he's never an asshole if he doesn’t have a reason to be an asshole.

Is he loud, crass and cocky? Yes. But he also has an extremely strong sense of what is just and fair, and he's not going to be an asshole unless he feels like someone is being extremely unfair or an asshole in the first place.

Guy also acts like an asshole as defense mechanism. This is someone who was violently physically abused as a kid. This is someone who grew up dealing with anger issues, used to everyone seeing him as not worthy of their time, someone who is constantly treated by the world as if he's just cannon fodder and generally useless.

No one advocates for him, and so he must advocate for himself. His big problem is that Guy is physically unable of having small emotions. So he's going to be big, mean, loud and up in everyone's faces, because that's who he is and what he does to defend himself.

Guy is the first to be there for his friends, no matter what. He will give them a hard time, he will mock and tease and be generally insufferable, but he WILL be there for his friends. He's the ultimate ride or die.

Once he cares about someone, he can't stop, even if they betray him (sleeping with his fiancee while he's in a coma), if they kill him (by ripping his arm off and letting him free fall from the atmosphere back to earth), if they ask the impossible of him. If he cares about someone, he's gonna care till he dies. And he will still care from the afterlife.

Guy will make himself the target on purpose if it means his friends are safe. He will let himself be captured and tortured if it means his friends don't get hurt. He's gonna see someone is about to give up on themselves and he's going to annoy them into not doing that.

Guy's the most loyal person anyone could have on their side.

[tfwstherapist]

joker is the biggest industry plant in the WORLD, main batman villain should be two-face.

[but-a-humble-goon]

Within the Bat clique Bruce telling someone "take Cass with you" is perceived to be a mark of great shame. It's how you know he's expecting you to screw this up and need babysitting. Cass has never been more insulted in her life than that one time when he accidentally told her to take Cass with her.

[lizardsfromspace]

Hi, I noticed your story has conflict in it, and I was wondering why you didn't just write people who are right doing everything correctly with a note saying "I enthusiastically co-sign everything in this story"? Must be some kind of mistake haha

[semperintrepida]

This is the worst timeline. (x)

[pftones3482]

If you do this with my fics, or anyone's fics, please know I HATE you. I hate you more than every troll comment, every "your writing sucks kys" comment, every "update soon" comment. I hate you. Other authors hate you. If you want my fic, you either WAIT for it or you pay me for it. And if you won't do one of those things, you don't deserve my fic or anyone else's.

[the-one-who-lambs]

A good way to make sure a fic author never writes the thing you want them to is to pester them to write that exact thing

[the-one-who-lambs]

I feel like some people in fandom spaces have forgotten that fic writers primarily write out of enjoyment and not because we want to Win At The Numbers Game or cater only to what interests others.

Writing fanfic well is a slow process. It can take months or years to develop a story well, and with social media increasingly pushing quick-form entertainment I feel like there's been a shift towards thinking of creatives as little more than idea generators who need to satisfy that easily digestible, instantly consumable, short-attention-span desire for "content" that should have a broad appeal.

And I honestly feel like that sort of perspective completely undermines the integrity of the creative spirit. Even reading fic is not an experience that can be digested in a few seconds before moving on to the next product. I promise I get it-- it can be intimidating to see a 100k+ word fanfic, even one that you've heard is well-written and worth the time it takes to read! I, too, have a few longer fics I've been meaning to get to. But it's a little disheartening when a five-minute doodle or meme edit I made gets a ton of notes if a fic that's taken a month or more to write comes and goes without much of the excitement I had been hoping to share. Reading and engaging thoughtfully with fanfic takes time. Readers can't reduce it to an experience that fulfills a consumerist-driven want for instant gratification, and I think that's one of the reasons that fanfic and writers are often not treated with much respect recently and are often the first to notice that attitude towards creatives.

Since my main creative medium is writing, I think I've had a different experience with online consumer-minded fandomgoers than creatives are primarily digital illustrators, or animators, or voice actors, or whatever your hobby may be, and I do wonder if that might be due to the inability to consume fanfic and be done with it. But the drift away from thoughtfully engaging with visual mediums are a related issue too; even the fanart that we might look at for half a minute is likely to have taken its artist days or months to create

Fanartists and fanfic writers create what we want because we enjoy it. We're sharing it because we want to be able to share the joy of creating with others, not because we want to fulfill demands made of us. If you're polite and we are open to requests, or if you ask questions/share your favorite details that get our inspiration flowing, we might jump on that! But let's not expect hobbyists to create for us.

Pestering writers who tell and share their stories for fun and for free and treating them as content generators is just one symptom of this. Writing, drawing, crafting-- no matter what you're doing, the process of creating rather than the finished product is the point and makes having creative hobbies worthwhile. Get consumerist attitudes out of fandom spaces

[mournfulroses]

Margaret Atwood, from a poem titled "Porcupine Meditation," featured in Paper Boat: Selected Poems

[incandescent-creativity]

Do you ever write a sentence and then realize “Nah, that’s too self aware for you” and backspace a bunch of times.

[incandescent-creativity]