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I love how complex I am. like I'm jedi critical and agree they went about a few things wrong but I'm also pro jedi who wants to explore their culture and language. I'm obi-wan critical and is okay with obi wan ig. I'm an anidala/skyberrie shipper and whoeverthefuckiwantpairedwith Anakin. Truly a complex mind. And I love that.
Every time someone mentions that Obi-Wan loves Anakin enough that he couldn't kill him in Mustafar and that in itself is a rare mercy considering his duties as a Jedi. I always want to say "damn but leaving him to burn alive is?" Like. I assure you that death would be kinder, it's okay to kill someone as mercy, especially if they're suffering.
I'm sorry but I believe killing someone you love is not the same as e.g. killing your enemy... Obi-Wan told Yoda that he wouldn't be able to take Anakin's life, even though it was his duty by then. He could not kill his brother with his own hands. Yes that wasn't merciful but Obi-Wan is a human being too. And it's normal when you can't bring yourself to do this to a person who means so much to you. It's a murder, mercy or not.
I actually don't disagree with most of what you're saying.
I don't think Obi-Wan's inability to kill Anakin makes him weak or cowardly. I think it's one of the most painfully human moments in the saga. Earlier in rots he explicitly tells Yoda, "I can't kill Anakin." That line already tells us where he stands emotionally before he ever sets foot on Mustafar. He doesn't want to be the one asked to do it.
Where I differ is in how I evaluate the outcome.
I can understand why Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to deliver the final blow while still thinking that leaving Anakin on the lava bank was the worse choice. Those aren't contradictory positions to me.
If anything, I don't see it as Obi-Wan consciously choosing mercy at all. I see it as someone emotionally breaking under an impossible situation. He reaches a point where he simply cannot do either of the two things in front of him: he cannot kill Anakin, and he cannot save him. So he leaves.
I don't really judge him for that, because I honestly don't know how many people could do differently if they were standing over someone they had raised, fought beside for over a decade, and considered family.
At the same time, from Anakin's perspective, the result is horrifying. Whether Obi-Wan intended it or not, he leaves a limbless man to burn alive. That's why I said death would have been kinder. I'm talking about the consequences of the decision rather than condemning Obi-Wan as a person for making it.
I think one of the reasons the scene is so tragic is because there isn't a "clean" moral choice left. Killing Anakin would have been emotionally devastating and, yes, an act of killing someone he loved. Walking away spared Obi-Wan from delivering that final blow, but it also condemned Anakin to unimaginable suffering and ultimately allowed Palpatine to recover him.
To me, that's the point of Mustafar. It's a catastrophe where every available choice is terrible, and Obi-Wan (like everyone else in the prequels(is forced into an impossible decision that leaves him carrying the consequences for the rest of his life.
Oh yeah that makes sense actually. I wrote about Obi-Wan's perspective in my response and I agree that there was no good choice he could make. Either he kills Anakin or Anakin burns to death or becomes disabled for the rest of his life. Considering what the Emperor did to him later, Obi really should have used that lightsaber for a final blow. But there's also the fact that Anakin didn't want this mercy because he still had work to finish and wasn't ready to die... he'd be doomed no matter what Obi-Wan would have chosen. This knowledge hurts.
Yeah, exactly! Star wars is basically tragedy after tragedy, and that’s what makes the hope hit so hard. There was no clean answer there, only different kinds of loss, and that really is the cruelest part of Mustafar. It hurts because everybody loses something, and even the mercy in the scene is still wrapped in misery.
Every time someone mentions that Obi-Wan loves Anakin enough that he couldn't kill him in Mustafar and that in itself is a rare mercy considering his duties as a Jedi. I always want to say "damn but leaving him to burn alive is?" Like. I assure you that death would be kinder, it's okay to kill someone as mercy, especially if they're suffering.
I'm sorry but I believe killing someone you love is not the same as e.g. killing your enemy... Obi-Wan told Yoda that he wouldn't be able to take Anakin's life, even though it was his duty by then. He could not kill his brother with his own hands. Yes that wasn't merciful but Obi-Wan is a human being too. And it's normal when you can't bring yourself to do this to a person who means so much to you. It's a murder, mercy or not.
I actually don't disagree with most of what you're saying.
I don't think Obi-Wan's inability to kill Anakin makes him weak or cowardly. I think it's one of the most painfully human moments in the saga. Earlier in rots he explicitly tells Yoda, "I can't kill Anakin." That line already tells us where he stands emotionally before he ever sets foot on Mustafar. He doesn't want to be the one asked to do it.
Where I differ is in how I evaluate the outcome.
I can understand why Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to deliver the final blow while still thinking that leaving Anakin on the lava bank was the worse choice. Those aren't contradictory positions to me.
If anything, I don't see it as Obi-Wan consciously choosing mercy at all. I see it as someone emotionally breaking under an impossible situation. He reaches a point where he simply cannot do either of the two things in front of him: he cannot kill Anakin, and he cannot save him. So he leaves.
I don't really judge him for that, because I honestly don't know how many people could do differently if they were standing over someone they had raised, fought beside for over a decade, and considered family.
At the same time, from Anakin's perspective, the result is horrifying. Whether Obi-Wan intended it or not, he leaves a limbless man to burn alive. That's why I said death would have been kinder. I'm talking about the consequences of the decision rather than condemning Obi-Wan as a person for making it.
I think one of the reasons the scene is so tragic is because there isn't a "clean" moral choice left. Killing Anakin would have been emotionally devastating and, yes, an act of killing someone he loved. Walking away spared Obi-Wan from delivering that final blow, but it also condemned Anakin to unimaginable suffering and ultimately allowed Palpatine to recover him.
To me, that's the point of Mustafar. It's a catastrophe where every available choice is terrible, and Obi-Wan (like everyone else in the prequels(is forced into an impossible decision that leaves him carrying the consequences for the rest of his life.
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My funniest experience with a star wars discord was back in 2020-ish during the pandemic, and I was like playfully arguing with this person abt Anakin and I brought up about how Anakin is good at singing. AND then some guy pops up to say that that's not true because Anakin's only good with a lightsaber and etc etc. whatever the fuck. SO now me and the person I was "arguing" with are now arguing with this guy and it had us scrambling for the canon source that mentioned Anakin being a good singer because 1) we either hallucinated that /or mistook a fanon for Canon 2) that shit is from some incredibly elusive material
tbh I don't remember exactly if we ever won that argument or if we got muted. Just that me and that person brought up Good singer anakin and then things got wild
Every time someone mentions that Obi-Wan loves Anakin enough that he couldn't kill him in Mustafar and that in itself is a rare mercy considering his duties as a Jedi. I always want to say "damn but leaving him to burn alive is?" Like. I assure you that death would be kinder, it's okay to kill someone as mercy, especially if they're suffering.
Writing an Eldritch Anakin fic and I'm trying to decide if The Force is Eldritch Horror who impregnated Shmi without warning or if It's in love with her and she knows and might've even reciprocated. Or if it's a biblical Mary situation (told via angel or dream) but was not personally involved and more "chosen"-ish.
hope to not be that person and sound unpolite, but can you please point out to me the so called Anakin's femenine traits, or why does he give trans vibes? Im not against it at all, i just don't see how crying when in extreme distress isn't misogynistic rethoric on itself. I don't think Anakin is the definition of manly male gym dude but his posessiveness are rather common masculine traits, when he's called femenine just because he cried once or twice rubs me the wrong way.if is all just a headcanon and not an interpretation of text that i misunderstood then sorry!
hello!! not a rude question at all!! i personally think anakin's story is easy to read through a trans lense in general, transfem is just my preferred reading. obv he (i'm gonna use he/him pronouns cause that's what's used in the movies and the majority of posts about him) wasn't written to be a trans allegory, but i think that his struggle with identity, with performing and being what people expect him to be even if that's not his true self does in a way relate to a trans experience (obv i don't speak for trans people and that's just my opinion). he always has this inherent struggle, both in text and by how he was percieved and critiqued by the audience, to live up to an ideal of what a hero should be. idk if you are familiar with the fact that the tcw creators deliberately distanced themselves from anakin's movie counterpart while making the show to make him "more of a hero". in tcw to make him more "likeble and heroic" they literally turned him into the classic male action hero who is macho and flirty and cool and strong, his possessivness in the movies is mainly shown on mustafar, his worst point, while in tcw that happens way more often. and i also feel the need to say that tcw creators said they intentionally changed anakin to make him less "emotional and melodramatic" and angrier. they made his face rougher and more angular compared to his softer features (that could be attributed to the artstyle but it's still a weird stylization). like obviously they weren't deliberatly trying to make him more manly but there's just a deep rooted idea in a lot of minds that a male hero should be like this and that and THAT is rooted in toxic masculinity somehow, i don't think that the tcw are into toxic masculinity or whatever but that idea of a hero that made its way in a lot of people's minds does have those connotations.
he ends the prequels stuck in a body he doesn't recognize with a name he didn't choose. he is put in this suit that makes him bigger and taller and stronger by sidious and that same suit is used as a torture device to trap him in his own body. it's very dramatic and exaggerated but imo that does in a way fit a trans reading. i've seen people headcanon him as transmasc and i also think that that's completely valid. transfem is just what i usually go with. i completely understand being wary of the whole "he's a woman to me" thing cause that's very often rooted in misogyny (idk if you've seen that infamous tragedy in lace post by that hamilton rpf account but that was a crazy example of that) but usually with anakin and trans readings i (and many of the people i've seen doing them) focus on how that would affect his arc and story cause again imo it's really easy and intresting to read it as that! the same way anidala, a couple getting married in secret defying a religious institution's laws and societal expectations, can resonate with a queer experience. i really hope this answer was helpful!!!
people criticize anidala for having unrealistic dialogue
but i’m translating love letters from the 1800s for french class and here are some of the lines
“the intoxicating memories of yesterday evening do not allow me to rest my senses”
“sweet, incomparable Josephine, what a strange effect you have on my heart”
“i draw your lips on my heart and the flame burns me”
and if that doesn’t sound like something anakin would say to padme then idk what does
Every time someone says something about Anakin's lines, I just go wow it's almost like he's in love with the love of his life! <3
When Anakin lifts his head up like that you know he’s about to offend someone
Anakin and his smile that says "I'm about to say something Something"
Making up an entirely new language had me googling stuff how did Tolkien do this 😭
Hi, I need help finding a Star Wars fic!
It's Anakin centered and touches upon Tatooine Slave Culture (such as clans, claims, etc). The most notable characters I can remember are Kitster, Wald, and also the Ghostling princess Arawynne who was enslaved. I tried using the filtering but still couldn't find the fic so I'm pretty sure most of the characters mentioned are untagged.
Please comment if you know what fic it is, thank you!
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The attachment part of the Jedi Code never really sat right with me. Maybe it's because I want my favorite characters to be happy, maybe because I see it as unfair, maybe it's the fact that it's just inefficient. Maybe it's all of the above.
This is my point: Love is going to happen whether it's 'allowed' or not.
Love isn't dangerous. It's not what turns the Jedi to the Dark Side. Neither is heartbreak. It's because they don't know how to handle it. Their whole lives they are told that they shouldn't feel it because they're Jedi, to suppress it. But they're living sentient beings, they're going to feel love, whether it's familial, platonic, or romantic. And they're going to experience heartbreak. All of this will happen despite it being against the Code.
What really sends Jedi over is because they don't know how to handle it. They don't know how to healthily deal with the pain of a heartbreak. They don't know how to handle a situation where a loved one is involved in a dangerous situation. They don't know what to do. And they can't ask for help, because asking for help means admitting to violating the Code.
The suppression can lead to fear, anger, hate, and suffering, the exact path to the Dark Side. Fear that someone will find out. Anger at having to hide it. Hate towards the Council and Code for making them hide it. Suffering all together.
I've only watched the first two movies and the first few seasons of Clone Wars, so I don't know how Anakin turns to Darth Vader, even though I know it happens. I don't know what the straw that breaks the camel's back is. And please don't tell me. But I bet money that it was something to do with Padme. I don't know what, but something. And he didn't know how to handle it.
Not to mention, detachment can make Jedi weaker. There was this one scene in the Clone Wars with Master Luminara that I will never get over that really highlights the flaws of detachment. Ahsoka and Luminara's Padawan, Barriss, got trapped under a heap of rubble on Geonosis. Anakin, because of his attachment to Ahsoka, was willing to believe they were still alive and to try and get them out. Luminara, on the other hand, literally gave up. She was ready to just walk away. The only reason Ahsoka and Barriss survived was because Anakin was attached to Ahsoka and was willing to fight. Master Luminara is a quitter, and was teaching her Padawan (who, while down in the rubble, didn't fight to get out either) to be one as well through detachment. (Can you tell I really don't like Luminara?)
So... why don't they allow love? Let it be open. Have additional lessons taught to Padawans on how to properly handle love and heartbreak in a way that balances love and duty. Integrate their loved ones into their training so they can learn what to do when they're in a dangerous situation like that. So they don't panic and make irrational decisions when that time does inevitably come.
This isn't a perfect solution - no solution to this is. But the point isn't perfection, it's efficiency. Jedi will still fall to the Dark Side. They will still struggle with love and heartbreak, like anyone does. But the point is, they can hopefully be more prepared and can feel open and able to ask for help.
all I'm saying is that if the fandom can woobify canonical moderate jackass obi-wan kenobi into the world's goodest saddest boy I should be allowed to say that anakin skywalker is just a sweet, silly guy who loves his wife a lot
Can you elaborate on your Obikin post? I would like to hear about what you have to say about how it would be realistically in canon. Also I'm curious about what you think of Obi-Wan's and Padmé's relationship, i mean I read about your posts but also I want some deeper insight into it. particularly in the context of Obikin or/canon because i don't think they are friends as some fans thinks. made worse by the Kenobi show (which I liked but also the character assassination of Anakin there killed me)
Thank you! This is honestly one of my favorite things to ramble about because I think fandom tends to flatten Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship into something much simpler than what the films actually present.
The short answer is that I don't think Obikin would realistically work in canon, not because they don't love each other but because they love each other in fundamentally incompatible ways.
A lot of fanworks imagine that if they simply admitted their feelings, everything would magically fall into place. Personally, I don't buy that. In fact, I think confessing would probably make things worse.
Obi-Wan's identity is inseparable from the Jedi Order. People sometimes describe him as someone who would abandon everything for Anakin, but I honestly don't think that's supported by the films. Obi-Wan spends almost his entire life trying to become the ideal Jedi. The Code isn't just a set of rules to him, it is the framework through which he understands himself, morality, and the galaxy. Loving Anakin already creates guilt because it brushes against attachment; a romantic relationship would amplify that conflict enormously. I don't think Obi-Wan would suddenly stop believing in the Jedi because he fell in love. If anything, I think he'd try even harder to suppress it.
And Anakin... well, Anakin is almost the exact opposite.
He's incredibly emotionally direct. When he loves someone, he loves them with everything he has. He's not good at compartmentalizing his feelings, nor do I think he'd want to. If Anakin loved Obi-Wan romantically, I genuinely think he'd want to be able to hold his hand in public, argue with him, make up with him, build a home with him-- just exist together without pretending they were strangers every time another Jedi walked into the room.
That's fundamentally incompatible with Obi-Wan's worldview. Because for Obi-Wan, the relationship would almost certainly have to remain hidden not just because of the rules, but because he genuinely believes those rules exist for a reason. For Anakin, secrecy has always been synonymous with loneliness. We already see what hiding his marriage to Padmé does to him. I can't imagine that dynamic becoming healthier with Obi-Wan, especially because Obi-Wan would likely carry an enormous amount of guilt over it.
Ironically, I think the relationship would also have a strange pseudo-incestuous quality to it that neither of them could really escape. Not because they are family by blood, obviously, but because the emotional roles they occupy are already blurred. Obi-Wan is simultaneously Anakin's teacher, commanding officer, guardian, older brother, and (whether Obi-Wan is comfortable admitting it or not) the closest thing Anakin has to a parental figure after Qui-Gon's death. Anakin himself says, "You're the closest thing I have to a father." (Please bear with me constantly using this as an example lol) which tells us how Anakin understands the relationship. Trying to transform that into a romance would require untangling years of emotional dependency, authority, and familial attachment. And I honestly don't know if either of them could do that, there'll always be a dubious vibe in it.
There's also the unavoidable power imbalance. Even if Anakin is an adult by Aotc, Obi-Wan has been one of the defining authority figures in his life since he was nine years old. Their relationship begins as one where Obi-Wan has almost complete institutional, educational, and emotional authority over him. That's not Obi-Wan's fault (it was simply the structure of the Jedi Order( but it would make a romantic relationship incredibly complicated. Healthy relationships require both people to be able to meet each other as equals, and I don't think Obi-Wan and Anakin ever truly do that while the Order exists.
People sometimes compare Obikin to Anidala because they're both forbidden relationships, but I actually think they'd fail for completely different reasons. Padmé and Anakin choose secrecy because of political consequences and because of the Jedi Code. Obi-Wan would choose secrecy because he sincerely believes the Code is right. That's a huge difference. Anakin wouldn't just feel like they were hiding from the Jedi—he'd eventually start wondering whether Obi-Wan was hiding him. Given Anakin's abandonment issues, I think that distinction would slowly eat away at him.
I also think they'd argue constantly. Not because they dislike each other, but because their communication styles are almost perfectly designed to frustrate one another.
When Obi-Wan is upset, he withdraws. He intellectualizes. He falls back on duty and restraint. When Anakin is upset, he wants to talk now. He wants reassurance now. He wants to know exactly where he stands.
Obi-Wan often thinks giving someone space is respectful. Whereas Anakin often interprets distance as rejection.
It's a very terrible combination.
The tragedy of their relationship is that they're often responding to entirely different conversations. it's why I always come back to the "You're the closest thing I have to a father." / "Then why don't you listen to me?" exchange. I think it summarizes their entire relationship in two sentences. Obi-Wan hears, "You're my authority figure." Anakin means, "You're my family." Neither of them responds to what the other is actually trying to communicate. They're having two completely different conversations without realizing it.
I think that disconnect would only become more painful if romance entered the equation.
As for Padmé and Obi-Wan, I actually think fandom tends to exaggerate how close they are. I don't dislike the idea of them being friends, but I don't think canon really gives us enough to call them close friends. They're certainly allies, trust one another professionally and have a level of respect for each other. They share concern for Anakin. But friendship requires intimacy, and I don't think we ever really see that.
Most of their interactions revolve around Anakin, politics, or the current crisis. We don't really get scenes where they're simply spending time together because they enjoy each other's company. Compare that to Padmé and Sabé, or Padmé and her handmaidens, or Obi-Wan and I say maybe Quinlan. Those relationships feel much more naturally reciprocal. Whereas, Obi-Wan and Padmé's are not, to me, a soft little friendship duo with a ton of private emotional closeness. Their connection is real, but it is limited.
Not only that but I've always felt that Obi-Wan and Padmé's relationship is almost entirely mediated through Anakin.
They both care about him.
They both worry about him.
They both love him, albeit in completely different ways.
He's the bridge between them.
Ironically, I think they also misunderstand each other. Obi-Wan underestimates how important Padmé is to Anakin until it's far too late, while Padmé underestimates just how deeply Obi-Wan cares about Anakin because Obi-Wan expresses that care in such restrained, almost impersonal ways.
One thing I always find fascinating is Revenge of the Sith. People often point to Obi-Wan saying, "Anakin is the father, isn't he?" as proof that he'd known about the marriage all along. But I'm not really convinced... To me, that scene reads less like confirmation and more like realization. He's putting together pieces that suddenly make sense. Everything clicks in that moment. And even then, Obi-Wan's immediate concern isn't outrage that Anakin broke the Code. It's stopping a galactic catastrophe. That tells me that, despite everything, Obi-Wan still prioritizes duty over the deeply personal conversation that probably should have happened years earlier.
I also think Padmé matters a lot in the Obikin/canon conversation because she is one of the few people who can stand between Obi-Wan and Anakin without being swallowed by their dynamic. But what makes that so compelling is that Padmé sees Anakin as a person first, while Obi-Wan tends to see him through duty first. That does not make Obi-Wan cruel, but it does make him a bad fit for the kind of reassurance Anakin needed. Padmé is one of the few people who can speak to Anakin with softness without immediately turning him into a problem to be managed. Obi-Wan, by contrast, almost always returns to structure, restraint, and the Code. That is part of why I think the Obi-Wan/Anakin dynamic is so tragic even in canon: they love each other, but they do not love each other in the same language.
However... the Kenobi series complicated this for me. Just as you said, it did kill Anakin's character.
I enjoyed parts of it, but I struggled with how it handled Anakin. Some scenes felt like they leaned much harder into "Anakin was always aggressive and unstable," whereas the films present a much more layered young man—impulsive, yes, but also deeply compassionate, idealistic, funny, awkward, brilliant, and capable of extraordinary kindness. Sometimes it felt as though the tragedy was simplified into "Anakin had anger issues," when I think his fall is much more psychologically and emotionally complex than that.
Ultimately, I think that's why I don't really buy soft, domestic Obikin as something that could naturally exist within canon.
Could they have loved each other? Absolutely.
Would that love have healed either of them? I honestly don't think so.
If anything, it would probably expose every unresolved wound they already had.
Obi-Wan would love Anakin while feeling guilty for loving him. Anakin would love Obi-Wan while constantly wondering whether Obi-Wan loved the Jedi Order more than he loved him.
So while soft, domestic Obikin is adorable in fan art and AUs (which I'll happily read without complaints) I don't think canon supports it very well.
Canon Obikin isn't really a romance that could simply happened, and even then, would it really make a difference in their already unstable relationship?
My headcanon is that Anakin is touch-averse, not in the way that he'd violently flinch or something. Just that he likes his space sometimes and also would rather not be touched by strangers, and it just mostly from being sex-repulsed. Which is another headcanon that I have that stems from his early childhood as a slave. His reactions to touch would not be violent unless triggered but I do think he would be so uncomfortable.