I got a question? I'm not a Chloe Stan mind you. But I heard people drop the story because Sabrina broke her friendship with Chloe. Yes,Chloe is a mean girl but she had character development and we can get to see her backstory a little. Maybe they drop it because I wanna see Chloe redemption arc though. I just don't like people saying Chloe can't change and yet we can see why she's acting like that. Your story is great to be honest sorry if it's not constructive criticism.
It's always funny when I hear down the grapevine why "people" hate my AU because I'm always struck by how I never hear any of these criticisms directly so while they're out there complaining I'm just chugging along blissfully unaware.
Sorry my AU isn't on ao3 so I can't tag it #No Chloe Redemption, but that's why I've said publicly that it wouldn't be since the conception phase, that's why I say it in my FAQ, that's why I say it EVERY TIME it comes up again in my inbox, because if you want a Chloe Redemption? This isn't the place for you.
This is a salt au. This is a SPITE au. I never put on airs that it was anything else, so while you (or "people") are free to be disappointed I am also free to not change my mind or alter the ending because of "people".
I did these doodles of Miraculous mix costumes for these two a while back (LB and BC combo) and I didn’t know what weapon to give them at the time. So now I just went with a diabolo.
Sorry for asking this, but is the tail inspired by Catwoman’s design from the Batman of Shanghai shorts?
I’m sorry if this sounds like I’m accusing you of copying it; I swear, that’s not my intention at all! I just really love that detail (in case it is inspired by Catwoman’s design, that is). Lovely art!!
Ah, sorry, I haven’t watched Batman of Shanghai. Don’t worry, you’re not offending me, though. It’s usual for artists to take inspiration from different sources, it’s a fair question.
I just wanted to give her a tail because the mlb official designs often don’t give tails to female costumes (see Bunnix and Lady Noir), I thought that wasn’t fair. XD
Ah, I see! While I personally liked Lady Noire’s braid-tail, I can see why that’s not for everyone. Though, there are worse things. Like 90% of Ryuko’s outfit.
I was just asking because of this:
If I might ask, where did you get the inspiration for the tail from?
I did these doodles of Miraculous mix costumes for these two a while back (LB and BC combo) and I didn’t know what weapon to give them at the time. So now I just went with a diabolo.
Sorry for asking this, but is the tail inspired by Catwoman’s design from the Batman of Shanghai shorts?
I’m sorry if this sounds like I’m accusing you of copying it; I swear, that’s not my intention at all! I just really love that detail (in case it is inspired by Catwoman’s design, that is). Lovely art!!
Ah, sorry, I haven’t watched Batman of Shanghai. Don’t worry, you’re not offending me, though. It’s usual for artists to take inspiration from different sources, it’s a fair question.
I just wanted to give her a tail because the mlb official designs often don’t give tails to female costumes (see Bunnix and Lady Noir), I thought that wasn’t fair. XD
Idk, saying Marinette doesn’t have a personality outside of Adrien seems pretty willfully ignorant of most of her character
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It’s disastrous but Marinette has the best writing in the show and she is fairly fleshed out outside of her crush even though said crush is constantly shoved down our throats
She’s such a brilliant girl full of love for her family and friends who’s so ambitious she can’t decide what to do with herself and none of those things have anything to do with Adrien
Gabriel, Audrey, and Su-Han. The trinity of adults who eventually learn to respect Marinette's talent, then begin treating her like cr*p. (Additionally, that society of guardians doing jack about supporting their newest member.)
Gabriel could’ve had a connection with Marinette through fashion that would’ve made the eventual reveal/his defeat hold more weight but noooo. He’s supposedly her idol but there’s no relationship to connect them.
Her being his protégé could’ve also made his desire to akumatize her in “Ladybug” or “Chat Blanc” make more sense, cause as it stands we have no clear reason on why he thinks she would be a particularly powerful akuma.
Audrey could’ve been in the same boat, having Marinette as a fashion protégé. She could’ve shared a connection through designing and had the drama of Audrey continually favoring Marinette over either of her daughters but not in this show apparently.
Or since Gabe’s eventually gonna (hopefully) be in a prison cell or 6-feet-under by the end of the show, Audrey could still have been Marinette’s big connection to the fashion world into adulthood, but she (maybe?) threw that away to reconnect Chloé with her mother.
Su-Han is maybe the biggest disappointment of these 3. Marinette could’ve had a good mentor figure in him after Fu’s departure. Someone who knows more about the Miraculous and the Order of the Guardians than Fu did. Especially since, as you said, the rest of the Guardians from the temple don’t wanna step in to support her.
But he’s barely been used since his debut episode, and he spent most of his time in “Ephemeral” chewing out Marinette due to Chat not being present during a fight.
There was so much potential for Marinette to be the Peter Parker to Gabriel Agreste’s Norman Osborn. Both are ‘genius pairs’ in the same line of work (science for Peter & Norman, fashion for Marinette & Gabriel), both are a supehero/supervillain pair in disguise, and both Norman and Gabriel have a son that they treat like crap who’s friend with the protagonist.
It would have made the villain/hero conflict much more emotional.
By Gloob's trailer... the "Kuro Neko" episode will be one of "Let's Marinette act OOC and forget her *own* thoughts, so she will make a decision to be blamed for and give Chat Noir a excuse for a sad party" episode...
It literally looks like a Marinette/Ladybug salt fic set to animation. Ladybug being salty at Chat (bonus if it’s for actual reasons that refuse to be addressed; “she might have a point but sHe’S sO mEaN”), Adrien quitting because he’s sAd and uNdErApPrEciAteD, and a “new cat” swooping in that will somehow prove that Chat is objectively the best partner ever.
Also, I’ll keep most thoughts until the actual episode comes out, but--
- Really? Paris who shipped LadyNoir so hard that they were reading the Oblivio article during an akuma battle is now putting Chat’s worth into question? I don’t buy it. Either this is just contrived writing (the most likely option; I mean, we saw “Prime Queen”), the resolution for Paris realizing that the kiss wasn’t what they thought happened off-screen (shocker), or Shadow Moth’s sentimonster trying to create a divide between Ladybug and Chat. Heck, that would honestly be more interesting: Shadow Moth having a Volpina sentimonster to make an illusion of Ladybug for this interview (the interviewer has to be a sentimonster to fool the rest of their crew) and Adrien was - yet again - incapable of telling a real Ladybug from a fake one.
- If Ladybug picks Adrien for the cat because “he’s not in love with me,” that’s so damn sad. (but they’ll of course make it look hypocritical because “well YOU picked someone you were in love with when the idea was to pick a cat who wasn’t in love with YOU,” while also ignoring that Ladybug is ten times as professional as Chat even with her mistakes)
- lol, what if this episode doesn’t even talk about how “””great””” Chat is and it’s Ladybug choosing Adrien so she can “learn just HOW HARD IT IS to stay professional when you have someone you lOvE as a partner”? (Hot take, maybe having romance involved in heroism is either a bad idea altogether, it’s these crushes specifically that are a problem, or the solution is to make sure there are two people who aren’t in love with each other/incompatible orientation-wise?)
- What’s even the time frame for this stuff happening? A day? A week? “It’s been built up over multiple episodes!!!” Ah, yes, I’m so glad that Chat literally doesn’t have all information on things that are none of his damn business and is choosing to draw his own conclusions because Ladybug’s bitter at him. I’ll try to remember that every time I think about the times where Chat didn’t apologize for being wrong or fell for a fake Ladybug.
- Us over here, watching Marinette be stressed out, forced to break up with her boyfriend because of her hero duties, overwhelmed by the kwami in her room (giving her literally no sense privacy), and constantly having to prove herself to Su-Han whenever he pops up, then seeing that it’s Chat who gets the, “Guess I’ll just quit. :(” episode. Really? (The fact that it’s Chat and not Ladybug proves how dedicated she is to job and how dedicated Chat is to his own personal comfort. Remember how Marinette didn’t want to be Ladybug in “Origins” and Tikki insisted that Marinette had been chosen and was the only one who could do the job? And then Alya was taken out of the equation so Marinette was forced to take up the ladybug again even if she still didn’t want to? Yeah, hm...).
- me watching Adrien quit from the top of what is seemingly a rooftop ala “Syren”: okay but how are you going to get down after this?
- Woooow, Chat Noir quitting being the cat? I’ve never seen that before! Especially not in a special that also threw blame onto Ladybug for it and essentially forced her to immediately forgive all of his wrongdoings so she could have a partner! (At this point, he must just have a card for this. If he tries to quits two more times then he gets a free sundae.)
Ok, but seriously, isn’t Ladybug based of Spider-Man? Why shouldn’t she have an ‘I quit’ storyline? Peter Parker sure had them more than once. She has good reasons to have one.
I actually wrote this article for a Facebook group during the summer, but i had completely forgotten about it until I read the very in-depth analysis of Kagami's role in the series written by @geekgirles . There, she mentioned the bit in Ikari Gozen that had got me started on this research, so I thought why not? let's 'delight' you with this indepth analysis of the four characters of Marinette, Adrien, Luka and Kagami based on what we know of their zodiac signs in the Chinese horoscope. There are a couple of things that may surprise you.
First of all, let's put a lovely wee "keep reading" tag, so it doesn't clog your board, because it's a little long (ah, the understatement!)
Now. Here we are and if you clicked on carry on reading it means that you may be interested so... welcome welcome.
Apologies for the length
Let's first of all talk about how the Chinese horoscope can give us a clue as of the characters age and date of birth.
In Ikari Gozen we find out that Marinette is a Snake in the Chinese horoscope. This narrows the search for her date of birth to two very precise years. 2013 or 2001. Now... counting that if she was born in 2013 she would be 7 now, it's most likely that she's born in 2001. In the French edition she is revealed instead to be a Leo. Which places her birthday in late July/beginning of August 2001. Kagami instead is revealed to be a Dragon, and a Scorpio, which places her birthday around November 2000. In an official Marinette’s Instagram post her birthday has been revealed as the 20th of November, IIRC.
Now... not only this is a great deal of trivia information for us fans, which also helps us place the timeline of the story, which hasn't yet reached a full year in Canon from the start (in the Felix episode it's revealed that it's the first anniversary of Emilie’s disappearance. Hence in 3 series the story has advanced only by less than one year). It also helps up place the birthdays of some other characters.
Adrien for example. His birthday was series 1 episode 1, quite far from Marinette's birthday in Befana. So it's likely that he's a dragon like Kagami (which would also make sense thinking that Kagami is a character that mirrors Adrien's life and situation. But this isn't the place to discuss such thing, i refer to the very well developed article written by @geekgirles if you want to know more). A lot of people have theorised that he may be a Libra and be born maybe at the beginning of October, but of this I have no proof.
However, coming back to the Dragon sign it gets even more interesting, guys. If one of you have got more in-depth information and this comes up to be wrong I do apologise. I performed quite of an extensive research on the subject but of course I'm no astrologist so I can be wrong. That said... Not only the Dragon is considered the sign of the Emperor in the Chinese horoscope, and a lucky sign (ha). But 2000 is also the year of the Golden Dragon (metal). What better description than a golden dragon for our handsome sunshine?
It gets even better when you get to the Dragon man's personality. Loves to be the centre of the attention. Natural flirts (ha! Touché Chat Noir!). Hot headed. Stubborn. Competitive. Naturally attracts money and women. Full of energy. Do I need any more proof that Adrien is a Dragon?
Let's see what the horoscope says about the Snake, and let's compare it to Marinette/Ladybug, so you understand why I'm pretty sure that the production looked this up quite in detail and that Chinese astrology can be at the base of our beloved characters.
So the Snake woman is intuitive, intelligent, reserved and mysterious, has deep thinking, a mind that goes a mile per minute. Because they are smart and come quickly to solutions, they are great in crisis situations. They're able to step back and consider workable solutions. They are determined, sensual and smart and have innate wisdom. Doesn't this speak Marinette AND Ladybug from a mile?
Now... Luka. Until last week we weren’t really that sure of how old Luka was, Astruc had said that he was a couple of years older than Marinette, but Zag’s website had highlighted that Luka was Juleka’s twin brother which, counting that Juleka was in Marinette’s class, didn’t make any sense. But last weekend Astruc has actually confirmed that Juleka has repeated a year and that yes, Luka is her twin brother.
Already before knowing this I had a look at the personality of the previous signs in the horoscope, and I had strong feelings that Luka may be a Rabbit, which would make him born in 1999 and one year older than Adrien. And this has been confirmed, so now we know. He is indeed a rabbit. Do you want proof? Rabbit men are calm, extraordinarily polite, and will do everything to avoid conflict. They have control over themselves and are sometimes conservatives. They can be considered a "yes-man", but have a line that they will never cross. They like organising, decorating, helping the wife/gf. They are great friends but don't like getting too close to someone. They are shy, introverted, honest, cuddle-lovers and attention givers. They are associated with the western sign of cancer, which is associated with the moon and the arts. Tell me if this doesn't speak Luka by a mile?
Now a little bit of trivia that will make you laugh is... in the Chinese horoscope the cat doesn't exist. The legend says that Buddha invited the animals to a dinner, and the mouse tricked the cat and didn't wake him up, making him miss out on being chosen for the horoscope. However in TAIWAN things are different and the Cat takes the place of the RABBIT in the horoscope. The confusion seems to come from the old Chinese word for Rabbit, Mao, which sounds like the Taiwanese word for Cat Mau. So the sign of the Rabbit is also the sign of the Cat. Oh the irony!!
Snakes are yin energy. Rabbits are also yin energy. Dragons are yang energy.
But it gets better! Let's look at love compatibility, shall we? *rubs hands* hehe...
Dragon man x Dragon woman (Adrien and Kagami) can be steamy and can work only if both have their own realm to shine on, because both are too competitive and can get into competition with each other. They love to be the centre of their world. They're great leaders but want the spotlight and don't settle for less. They're both independent and stubborn and their personality will clash, making it difficult to maintain the relationship going. They require a lot of love and admiration. They will never give in and apparently two dragons have a good physical relationship, mostly.
They CAN work together, but only if each has their own way to shine.
Sorry, Adrigami shippers.
Dragon man x snake woman (Adrien and Marinette): they can be an excellent couple. They find each other physically attractive. The dragon is bold and full of energy, the snake is appealing in a more subtle way. Excellent romantic relationship, they both have strong personalities that attract each other. They share a degree of savoir-faire that prevents serious concerns. The male dragon will be tempted to stray, but he will know better than doing that, because he knows very well that his companion has hidden poisonous fangs (lol) and is VERY jealous... so he will look but not touch (the wise one will at least). Snake women love success and attention, but they're not as flashy as dragon men so they will be more subtle. Snake women are self-possessive, devoted and can give a good boost of confidence to a dragon man. She will be better at handling finances than him (that wouldn't surprise me in adrienette!). They both like fine things but Snake will teach Dragon to not overspend. Little trivia: the dragon was the sign of the emperor and the snake was the advisor. So they work very well in tandem. Their union will be full of passion and personal satisfaction.
Adrienette is in the stars, guys.
Now last but not least... Snake woman x Rabbit/cat man (Luka and Marinette, but in a way even Chat Noir and Ladybug): very good couple too, they enjoy great conversation and have great time together. They make great friends. Snake loves the attention Rabbit gives and Rabbit is drawn by her sensuousness. They start as friends and have enticing conversations, which draws them together. When they start dating they realise they have similar tastes. They love cuddling in a hidden corner and will feel safe in their cosy nest to explore each other's sensuality. They can make a strong couple, unless their personalities start clashing. Rabbit can get annoyed at Snake's love for novelty and her extravagance, which may cause friction. If their temper clashes, they can't overcome differences.
So... Lukanette can work too, sorry guys. But as highlighted, it also works very well as a friendship. And sadly it's the same for Ladynoir...
What I find funny in all of this is that, if this is true, Luka has the Snake miraculous, Marinette is a Snake sign, Luka is a cat sign, Adrien is a cat miraculous, Adrien and Kagami are a dragon sign, Kagami is a dragon miraculous... Jesus what a circle! Add to the mix Marinette as the RAT miraculous and we have a real laugh… (if any of you has ever watched Fruit Basket, the Japanese anime about the Chinese horoscope, you know perfectly well what I’m talking about!) and Snake/Rabbit as friends and potential couple works for both Lukanette AND Ladynoir, counting that rabbit = cat. And then you think about how Chat Noir bounces on his baton and you think "yes that's a rabbit, indeed"!
Any thoughts?
(apologies if this reflection doesn’t make sense to you!)
Honestly, I think it's annoying that Tom and Sabine doesn't seem to have any role, except gushing about Love Square and occasionally punishing Marinette for "Mistake of the Week"
They are the token parents that do whatever the writers need, which largely involve being blank slates that are "supprotive", that will put Marinette down, and give unconditional support and love for Adrien, even over their own kid.
Like, thanks Weredad for showing us where priority lies as they believe their daughter is running up to her room in tears, neither go up to check on her, and Sabine takes time to reassure Chat and validate his feelings.
And honestly, you have Marinette not even turning to them for help ever, and she's set up to be pretty independent herself. I wonder if they should've just stuck with that earliest concept for Marinette that they passed onto Fei, where her parents were gone/dead, implied strongly to be murdered for unknown means.
Like, they're pointless background characters anyway and her family at the core is barely in her life, and hey, that could've been a tie in for Marinette's plot if the Agrestes had a role in her parents' demise, intentional or accidental.
Just imagine that the Butterfly belonged to one of her parents. And the Agrestes/Gabrbiel needed it revive Emilie and have his perfect world and things went down south. Unaware of their end, he takes a few years to build his lair, to be precautious and hidden just in case he was being hunted.
And little Marinette was finally taken home by one of the school staff, finding it weird that neither parent ever showed up to pick her up. And they both came across the scene.
Few years later, Marinette is largely the same. Independent, kind, helpful, and optimistic. You wouldn't know that she had such a tragedy in her life a few years ago, that Bourgeois' system of child care largely leaves her on her own with the guardian very absent in her life. Gabriel arises, Nooroo wonders about the girl that was the daughter of his previous owner, wonders if she'll fall victim to his abuser's influence. Marinette catches the attention of Fu.
There's her tie in to the plot. Her connection to Gabriel.
There's her drama with Adrien as canon wise and both having a unique test on their partnership. Adrien with family and Marinette with the past and what was done.
And honestly, I wouldn't trust it with these writers, but I think my ideal on Marinette realizing the past and what happened, I want righteous anger, but I also want something along the lines of what Kung Fu Panda 2 did with Po's response to learning his past.
Somewhere in the middle as this would be far more recent than this happening when Po was a baby.
I have yet to really see it talked about, which is fair because the show doesn’t addressed it or value this input, but with Rocketear, I really wonder what’s Trixx’s response to Alya revealing to Nino that she is still a hero and is doing so in secret while also lying to Marinette, unaware that Nino now knows and that Alya being Rena Furtive is now compromised.
Like, ok, foxes are known to be risk takers (due to overconfidence), liars, tricksters, manipulators; just over all, being a big wildcard, and Trixx can roll with this.
But, that isn’t the sum of what makes a Fox or Trixx, there are two other big aspects that we’ve seen in the few times we’ve seen Trixx: loyalty and a sense of moral rightness. Trixx will be chaotic about it, but at the core, they’ll do what they can to help and stand for the greater good.
Sapotis was the biggest example of this. You have Trixx sounding all for Alya just being a full time hero because that’s what she wants. But by Trixx’s wording, they were able to remind Alya that she was considered trustworthy. To be trustworthy is to not take advantage of that trust.
And what does Alya do in Rocketear?
Yep.
I really wonder what’s Trixx’s response to this. Is Trixx ready to grab popcorn and watch the chaos unfold? Or is Trixx bothered as Alya unnecessarily outed herself, taking advantage of trust that was given and lying to the Guardian’s face directly. A lie that is going to do far more harm than good as Rena Furtive is now compromised with someone knowing of her existence (and to someone we now know can’t keep a secret, which Alya doesn’t know that Adrien now knows that she’s Rena).
What’s worse is that we’ll never see it. Kwamis aren’t characters that these writers care enough about to delve into. Tikki isn’t a character but a mouthpiece for the writers. Trixx was compelling in Sapotis, setting them up as observant and eloquent and later just becomes bratty and child-like. Kwamis all become mentally children and work off a mob mentality. And Chat Blanc, we don’t see Tikki or Plagg’s responses to what goes down in that ep. Nothing on Plagg about Adrien taking advantage of this knowledge to finally date his partner while keeping it a secret that he’s Chat. Nothing on Tikki about the full reveal and them dating. Tikki who is the most adamant about the importance of secrecy.
To be back on track, I really want to know Trixx’s response to Alya revealing herself without Marinette’s knowledge. But chances are incredibly good that we’re not going to know. Kwamis aren’t characters to take seriously and Alya at the core doesn’t face consequences for her actions.
Only one will and that makes this all incredibly frustrating.
I’m not going to see Trixx upset with this decision. Or even just responding to it. I’d be surprised if there any response at all.
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