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@mothbait
I should probably make an about huh
Iām lamp, Iām 24, I use he/they pronouns and this is a side blog where Iām gonna criticize media.
Iām at least a partial fan of most of the things Iām gonna talk about so none of this is blind hate.
Dni if: terf, map, proship, exclusionist, you donāt tag slurs, racist, homophobic, etc.
Do you guys remember that time rebecca sugar drew steven with a slight curve to his legs and people started calling them a pedophile
Teaser for whatās to come ā¤ļø
@ilovegayvampires *daniel molloy voice* ... So it's crossed absolutely nobodies mind that Medrano giving all of her little bitch ass male characters from some bitch ass old time periods little bitch ass berries n' creme bob cuts to match, may in fact be design choice to add to the faggotry and camp of it all that may in fact, just may be intentional?
Also, a grabbity balls fan who simps for Alex Hershysquirts Mcdoesn't know how to write a fictional woman or keep a real one but decided to make his walking Gay Cop Minstrel Show and KKK Member pairing canon and gets nothing but praised for that while people still question why Star vs. The Forces of Evil has any right to be included in the alphabet soup section on disney+ ... Doesn't get to have any say in what makes a bad character design so unlike any of those characters in that bad Supernatural Jr. Show and that actual tumblrsexyman that Hirsch thinks he's so edgy for spawning and then publicly shitting on all his female fans (that he for some reason, even has) dreams for finding a way to make his obnoxious self insert dorito desirable (because he hates women, along with women who are more creative than him) I'm going to actually curse now by telling you to go fuck yourself and I'll say that Alex Hirsch can drop dead too.
Oh, and you like The Amazing Digital Doot dee Doot? Well, you have actually genuine bad taste, so of course... Of course you would.
See? I can generalize too bitch... And I have no clue if OP was faked or not but you can remove those leaks from my fandom tags or die.
Like, I know you're mad out of your fucking mind that we just got four seasons but too bad so sad for you Hirsch couldn't make actual cussy wussy on his shitty kids show or keep his shitty adult one running ether huh? And that url is a disgrace because how could anyone actually claim to love vampires if they don't love Alastor? :) Die mad about it. š¤ X.O
EDIT after some more scrolling the main tags:
Uh, I thought I told you to die little miss bluechatterteeth for fangs we know you're boring enough to like gravity falls but you can't possibly be as gay as you say you are if you think having a freaking tumblr badge next to the url that you're not gay enough to deserve makes you look good and I can't believe I just had to stake you twice. šš©ø
Holy shit can you shut the fuck up
@mothbait omg what š
The whole post is too long for a screenshot but just this sentence took me out
Teaser for whatās to come ā¤ļø
@ilovegayvampires *daniel molloy voice* ... So it's crossed absolutely nobodies mind that Medrano giving all of her little bitch ass male characters from some bitch ass old time periods little bitch ass berries n' creme bob cuts to match, may in fact be design choice to add to the faggotry and camp of it all that may in fact, just may be intentional?
Also, a grabbity balls fan who simps for Alex Hershysquirts Mcdoesn't know how to write a fictional woman or keep a real one but decided to make his walking Gay Cop Minstrel Show and KKK Member pairing canon and gets nothing but praised for that while people still question why Star vs. The Forces of Evil has any right to be included in the alphabet soup section on disney+ ... Doesn't get to have any say in what makes a bad character design so unlike any of those characters in that bad Supernatural Jr. Show and that actual tumblrsexyman that Hirsch thinks he's so edgy for spawning and then publicly shitting on all his female fans (that he for some reason, even has) dreams for finding a way to make his obnoxious self insert dorito desirable (because he hates women, along with women who are more creative than him) I'm going to actually curse now by telling you to go fuck yourself and I'll say that Alex Hirsch can drop dead too.
Oh, and you like The Amazing Digital Doot dee Doot? Well, you have actually genuine bad taste, so of course... Of course you would.
See? I can generalize too bitch... And I have no clue if OP was faked or not but you can remove those leaks from my fandom tags or die.
Like, I know you're mad out of your fucking mind that we just got four seasons but too bad so sad for you Hirsch couldn't make actual cussy wussy on his shitty kids show or keep his shitty adult one running ether huh? And that url is a disgrace because how could anyone actually claim to love vampires if they don't love Alastor? :) Die mad about it. š¤ X.O
EDIT after some more scrolling the main tags:
Uh, I thought I told you to die little miss bluechatterteeth for fangs we know you're boring enough to like gravity falls but you can't possibly be as gay as you say you are if you think having a freaking tumblr badge next to the url that you're not gay enough to deserve makes you look good and I can't believe I just had to stake you twice. šš©ø
Holy shit can you shut the fuck up
there is something so crazy about being so unlikable that an entire school dislikes you and continues to talk bad about you years later. how do you manage that.
"say what you will about Vivzie but at least her story is consistent"
Ah you mean the woman who lied about her storyboarder with a rape fetish being an SA survivor? or when she called someone a stalker just because they knew about their transphobic past? or when she blamed her support for racist/right-wing/anti-feminist youtubers on trump becoming president when she's been an open anti-feminist for years? or when she called someone a pedophile just for asking her to properly credit them?
That woman lies so often i'm honestly shocked any of her fans believe what she says anymore.
Ok so I watched Lily Orchard's review on Hazbin Hotel and it was extremely painful to get through
Ok, so I don't agree with SaberSpark at all with Hazbin Hotel, but at least he knows when a story has holes in it. Lily Orchard thinks Hazbin Hotel is perfect, even though I think it's horribly written garbage with a very underdeveloped nonsensical premise on arrival. However, this is Lily Orchard, so Hazbin Hotel just mature enough that she doesn't have to think too hard about the subtext because Hazbin Hotel is already on the nose and not subtle at all, while also enjoying all the swears and fucked up shit in there. It's interesting how backwards she is with her criticism.
She's the type of person that would enjoy fast paced garbage like Hazbin Hotel, while completely shit on good shows like SU and miss the point. She hates filler and character development; she's never read/watch dystopian, alien, sci-fi movies/shows ever and I can tell because she loses her mind over the Diamonds having fascist/colonizer tendencies even though they are aliens and fascism and colonization are common themes that crossover with aliens/scifi, because they're fucking aliens. if she can't handle the Diamonds being invaders, she would absolutely hate Invader Zim, Star Wars, Prometheus, the Alien trilogy, AVP, Interstellar, Black Mirror, 1984, Necromancer, The HandMaids Tale, Independence Day, War of the Worlds. Half of these have some themes of fascism or colonization. Alien invasions are an attempt at colonization.
Oh it gets better.
So pushing through the irrelevant rambling about genocide and her bitchfest about demons being gay and in hell, which sidenote; Christians are notorious for being homophobic and the common line thrown at gay people is "you will burn in hell!" Viv throwing gay people in hell only emphasizes how shitty Heaven is and Lute is openly homophobic towards Angel and Vaggie. I don't like that Viv is going with Heaven is all evil approach, but Heaven has to be evil and homophobic Lily to show that Heaven is evil. That is the fucking point.
"Charlie seems to learn that you can't force redemption on someone." The not so subtle jab at Steven Universe there I see, except hat Steven WASN'T forcing redemption on anyone at all. Charlie on the other hand is desperately trying to get demons in the building the entire time because there's 6 months left, which was because Charlie was desperately trying to tell to Adam how redemption could work and she was ignored by Adam entirely and she put gasoline on the already burning fire. She IS forcing redemption.
So Vaggie having a personality is also a bad thing apparently to Lily Orchard and she's mad that people complained about the dry ass relationship between them, because there isn't any filler episodes to flesh their entire character dynamic out. Filler episodes are Lily Orchard's weakness because she hates character development lmfao.
Lily Orchard's take on Angel Dust is also stupid as fuck. It's bad apparently when Lapis Luzli and Jasper have a toxic relationship, but it's 100% perfect depiction of abuse with Angel Dust and Valentino. Fuck off Lily. You're not consistent with your criticisms at all. While Angel Dusts abuse is gut wrenching to watch, knowing the background context, ruins the scenes completely. Also, it's rushed, lacks subtly and it 360's way too fucking fast.
Also so the rest of the her video is about how you don't need to develop characters and good pacing. Except that you do need to develop characters and good pacing to have character arcs make sense. It doesn't have to be massive lore dumps, but the lore is often the reason why the story takes place in the first place. You also need fillers in between and time for serious scenes like Val abusing Angel Dust to set in. Also Lily, you write fanfictions and you've never consumed anything with depth besides Kingdom Hearts which apparently has shit tons of lore in it and MLP, which also has shit tons of lore in it. That's why you like them so much, beside there's lore in there. You're telling me that there shouldn't be lore at all because reasons, but you also ramble mid review about how super cool and deep Kingdom Hearts is? Literally shut the fuck up lmfao.
I never got why Lily was so anti filler, itās baffling to me. Because yes, as a writer you need to know how to properly balance your filler and serialized episodes and most shows have an issue with that, but that doesnāt mean filler shouldnāt exist at all. I feel like she confuses āfluffā with filler honestly. Fluff is more pointless nonsense, but filler itself has a purpose, as you said to develop characters and it serves as a great opportunity for the audience to get to know them. Itās so ironic cause thatās what Hazbin desperately needed, filler and not pointless fluff, like how they kept introducing more characters and plot points that end up going nowhere. We needed more time with these characters, time to get to know them so we can learn to care about them. And it is funny how she states you donāt need good pacing, yet called out SU for its pacing issues, as well as all the other things.
Another reason I can think of why she's so anti filler, is because she would have to actually develop her characters and she hates putting in the legwork to make her characters interesting and relatable. Developing an imaginary person from scratch requires some level of empathy to step in their shoes.
Also she's very anti conflict- and black and white about characters. Especially nuanced morally grey characters like Pink Diamond. She lost her mind that the Diamonds were not 100% evil scheming moustache twirling villains, but they were still capable of doing evil acts, like creating the cluster and destroying planets to make their colonies. To make this even more nuanced, maybe the diamonds did what they did because that's normal to them and that's always how it's been (which plays into the theme of changing vs never changing, being perfect all the time.) She tries to paint the Diamonds as space nazis which they aren't- not even close. They lean heavy on the theme of colonization and authoritarian leadership. Lily Orchard doesn't know what nazism is and it's embarrassing to watch her try to paint SU as this anti-Semitic childrens show, even though the fucking show runner is Jewish herself.
I could write a tangent about the nuance of the diamonds and pink diamond because they are not 100% evil. It's surprisingly very nuanced for a kids show and it's impressive that Rebecca Sugar was able to pull off the nuance.
Vivziepop on the other hand canāt even give Heaven more nuance than, āAngels bad because genocide.ā And Lily fucking praises her for it lmfao.
Made me choke on my tea during my lunchtime š¤£š¤£š¤£. Oh she's big mad now
"When I was 17 people told me I wasn't good at taking criticism" she is over 30. Created a piece of media, She'll have to take criticism because everyone will- and that how you grow. You and what you create isn't perfect, you'll need to grow and change.
What happened to Alastor being scary
The biggest thing I noticed in Hazbin Hotel that Alastor is not scary. He used to be mysterious, creepy, and intimidating. We didn't know what he was thinking. We didn't know how he was feeling. He was such a great character because we knew he was insanely powerful, but he didn't act like it. But now that the show has come out, he's not scary or intimidating. He's just an edgelord.
Pilot Alastor wouldn't make this. Here he's goofy, but in a bad way. Where's the mysterious Alastor? This guy's just like "HAHAHAH I'M SO EVIL >:)" but he just seems stupid?
He also says all these corny lines, like "This is your sign not to mess with the radio demon," (it was something like that) "I'm about to end your fucking life," and "Adam. First man, next to die." He sounds like he's a 12 year old role-playing a creepypasta. These aren't intimidating, he just sounds dumb, edgy, and cringy
ALSO he seriously needs to STOP saying FUCK. It wasn't popular slang in the early 1900's, so he probably would never say it, but it also doesn't fit his persona. A really unique part of him is that he doesn't swear much and he's always smiling. He shouldn't say "ornery old bitch" and he shouldn't say 'fuck you." They just don't fit him. If he wanted what he said to have impact, he would have said something like "she's such a bitter old woman, bless her soul." or when Lucifer says the hotel's name isn't very clever, he should've said "your highness, intelligence is in constant pursuit of you, but it seems you have always been faster" because subtle insults he thinks everyone else is too stupid to understand seems more like his style.
I'll excuse him saying fuck once or twice. Maybe when he breaks his staff, and once more in season two? But he says it too much to have impact.
TL;DR, Alastor's not scary because he's not mysterious. He's just an angry edgelord
Iām gonna start hazbin later today iāll make a review when iāve got time
Very. Interesting rollercoaster of emotions coming back after a break like āoh man, sure canāt wait to review hazbin when it comes out!ā Then looking in the tags and seeing all this stuff with poison and viv and the story boarders and. Eugh.
Why is every helluva fan hate anon like āyou need to stop critiquing the thing i like and get a hobby, like mine, scrolling through posts of people critiquing the thing i like so i can yell at them for expressing their opinionsā
whelp, didn't take long for hazbin hotel fans to be weird and aggressive under my art. glad i'm done with these redesigns.
Ok, Iāll stand by what I said regarding the new episode- I think itās one of the better Helluva outings
But I noticed this while watching it and itās driving me insane-
Barbie was supposed to be in this scene. They removed Blitzoās sister from THEIR SHARED BACKSTORY. Viv is refusing to give this character any attention for some reason even though this screwed her over as much as it did Blitzo and Fizz.
Who cares about Barbie lol, doesnāt matter that theyāre siblings who BOTH lost their mother, nah letās just only focus on Blitzās trauma! God this show hates women omg.
THEY REMOVED BARBIE WIRE?! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
This show does not care about female characters at all holy shit.
Hey guys, let's play a little game: Everytime we identify a misogynistic trope in Helluva Boss, we add a point. From the top of my head, I can think of:
ā¢ Addressing women as "bitches", constantly.
ā¢ Ex-Girlfriend/Ex-Wife character who's only characteristic is hating the person they used to be with.
ā¢ Fridged wife/mom character for the development of male characters.
ā¢ Female antagonists are all about romance and/or sex, so their conflicts end up revolving around that too.
ā¢ Women exist mainly as stand-ins for Men [Aka, they're only there to serve as compliments for the men without personality of their own].
ā¢ Two named female characters talk about something other than men for a whole scene.
ā¢ Two women cannot coexist in the same room without having some kind of rivarly-esq relationship [usually due to a man]
That's all I can think of atm, but feel free to add on.
Not usually one to complain about stiff or jerky animation but oh boy that promo gif looked rough
The butch hartman ask cursed me with the thought of Femme Hartman and I just had to share the burden
its practically an open secret that the creator of hazbin hotel/helluva boss sucks. i know artists who are familiar with viv's abusive behavior that are too scared to do anything because she can simply namedrop them and they'll be chased off of ANY website.
she blacklists people, she bullies people, she intimidates people, she's incredibly insecure and entitled. wanna know why most people who try to come out about viv's abuse tend to go silent? because she sends lawyers after them. I've seen leaked logs of what Viv is really like, she sucks, a whole lot actually.
I knew she sucked when she gave out that incredibly embarrassing "apology" where she plays victim, deflects blame, lovebombs her audience and doesn't acknowledge her more horrific behavior and zones in on minor instances like being a fan of blaire white (and funnily enough couldn't even be honest and admit she liked her! she had to pretend she was only a fan because she was "scared during political unrest")
vivziepop is an anti feminist. flat out despises women and worships men (but only if they're cis). she calls women she hates "bitches" and "cunts" and it bleeds into her incredibly misogynistic humor and writing. she's made comics defending catcalling women and transphobic caricatures of people she dislikes. she thinks trans men are "women with internalized misogyny". she makes man-hating female characters who are friendless losers that nobody likes, but her women-hating men are her personal favorite characters.
she treats her friends as people she can use and discard. she's great if she likes you, horrible if she doesn't. despite being familiar with how traumatizing cyberstalking and cyberbullying is, she weaponizes it against people she dislikes by playing victim. the scott cawthon incident was simply vivzie's mask off moment. she loves seeing people she hates suffer, she loves seeing them deal with mass criticism and backlash, even better if they're chased off the platform forever.
she thinks everyone who critiques her work are homophobic bigots because she doesn't like being told off for her incredibly embarrassing caricatures of queer men. she can't draw black people. she wrote an effeminate queer man with sexual trauma that she constantly sexualizes and makes a mockery of. her lead animator has a "rape ship" and an animatic to go with it that she approves of. she's threatened by redesigns because they're done by artists why have a basic grasp of character design and unironically thinks they're only done to attack the crew (and refuses to stand against fan harassment because of it).
and also her design of beelzebub is still goddamn horrendous.
I am one of those artists who unfortunately ended up getting caught in the crossfire, though thankfully my experience wasnāt so bad as to where I was chased offline. It did however sour any goodwill I had towards her and her team, and the disappointment Iāve felt towards someone I used to look up to is incomparable.
Iāve seen the cases of her bullying and blacklisting people first handā even now where she uses her audience of rabid fans to spin the story and make herself out to be the victim. I know how it feels to be scaredā hell, I am too even typing this. I donāt have anything to say about the rest of what she doesā because frankly, itās appallingā but the fact a creator such as herself is being pioneered as the āhead of indie animationā while being nothing but a high school bully behind the scenes AND in public is shameful.
Adding my own experience here to show that it's not at all isolated incidences, it's a lot of people across platforms.
I ran a webcomic years back, that is discontinued now, and was on the receiving end of the bullying Viv used to do those years back. I publicly gave my side of the story and explained multiple times that all I wanted was an apology and to know that this behaviour would get worked on the future. I deleted my old personal accounts, took a break from the internet, and eventually came back and was resigned to just leaving my experience behind and moving forward. However, other people came forward with their own stories, and I restated mine to show that it wasn't an isolated incident - it was a pattern of behaviour and the other victims weren't alone.
Viv has accused me of stalking her, meaning harm to her, and has threatened lawyers on her end. She did this on her Bluesky, where I didn't have an account, so I had no means of giving my end of anything or contradicting anything she said.
She accuses me of being a stalker for: "harassing" her, "harassing" her family, and "harassing" her friends. I have attempted to contact her at multiple points in the past over public social media accounts and public avenues, and when she blocked me on Twitter, I left it at being blocked and gave up on contacting her directly.
I attempted to contact her sister once, specifically because Viv chose to make her sister an avenue for communication to victims. Viv sent her sister to contact another victim, April, and deliver a screenshot of a half-hearted "Sorry but also it's everybody else's fault but mine" apology. In this conversation, Viv's sister admits that Viv's friends used to attack other people on Viv's behalf and that Viv had issues with cyberbullying people, with the disclaimer that it was "all those years ago" and "she was young and dumb" (when she was 20+) to detract from the fact that she did, in fact, have proxies through which to attack other artists. April and I were peers, April contact me and said "Hey, Viv's sister is trying to resolve things with me, reach out and maybe she can help resolve things with you too." I sent said sister a DM over Twitter, I was blocked, I have made no further attempt to contact anyone in the family. If Viv doesn't want her family being dragged into "internet drama" I can totally understand that - but she's the one who dragged them in, because she refuses to face her victims herself if it isn't through other people, much like she harassed said victims through other people.
I have commented on Viv's friends' posts on Twitter, public avenues open to public commentary, because said friends have taken public actions against other people and I've commented on it. If they blocked me as a result, I made no attempt to reengage with them on my other account (I have two Twitter accounts for organizational purposes, one is my standard Twitter and one is 18+).
Viv also makes a point to emphasize that I have never worked with or for her - this is something I have never claimed, this is something her fans and her mob have claimed. They lump me in with other staff members, because they're convinced that people cannot have multiple negative experiences with her from multiple avenues. I had a webcomic when she had a webcomic, I got dragged into drama, I was harassed by her proxies who were also harassing other webcomics for having "similar styles" to her own.
Viv claims that I mean her harm, and I do not. My ideal for what comes out of this?? She reevaluates herself and her actions, takes a big dose of reality, realizing the hurt she's caused to other people, apologizes, and changes herself for the better by not continuing to hurt people and not continuing to treat cyberbullying and petty vendettas as some big game she has a toxic fandom as an advantage in. She brings up my having multiple accounts, because I did - I had a different set of social media accounts under my personal name before I adopted the current "Kedi" name that I have now. I used to o by "Kat" instead, hence why people still call me that. I have never hidden that I am Kat, I have never tried to deny that I am Kat, I have referred to my old accounts/webcomic numerous times. I deleted my old accounts because I needed a break from the internet and wanted to come back to a fresh start, I was dealing with the bullying I got from her and her peers, as well as some personal issues. When I was getting bullied by her and her friends, it started when I was taking college courses from home because I had to help my mother, who was battling cancer. I was going through a lot. There was so much rawness and hurt surrounding everything done to me because it was during such an especially hard time. I deleted my old accounts to distance myself from that, especially at a vulnerable time in my life, I don't see anything wrong with doing that. If she does, I hope she never, ever has to experience the same situation to ever fully understand, because it's awful.
Viv's fans also claim that I'm a "stalker" because I now screenshot my interactions with her proxies, I keep screenshots that my peers send me, and I take screenshots of what her mob of fans tell me. I do this because when I initially tried to come forward about the bullying I was a victim of, I was expressly told "You have no proof, you have no screenshots" and my testimonies were made to mean nothing without them. So I do have a habit of hoarding screenshots, because she put me in a situation that made it a habit. She has even expressly commented on a friend of mine's post herself with "You have no proof". So yes, I keep the proof now, this doesn't make me a "stalker". She has accused numerous other people of being "stalkers" as well, including Zizi for the heinous crime of being publicly critical of her designs, and April for the situation the apology even came up over. Viv was located in California, and April was located in Georgia - these states are across the entire nation from each other, and this is relevant. Viv traveled to Georgia, to April's hometown, to go to a convention there, and ran into April there by coincidence. April approached Viv when they saw each other, and said "Hey, I just want you to know, no hard feelings, just have a good time at the con." Viv took to Twitter to post now-deleted tweets about how April was a stalker, and that "her stalker" had tracked her down in a public place to approach her and threaten her. This resulted in April getting waves of death threats from the mob. Hence, the apology.
I have never been opposed to resolving this at all. If Viv wants to approach to me and speak on this and try to reach a resolution, I am open to that. I am willing to do so in a public avenue like social media, I am willing to do so in a private avenues like email or Discord, I am willing to do so in a call where screenshots can't be taken, I am willing to sign an NDA on the conversation if she's really that concerned with it. But I want more than anything for her to acknowledge the harm she's caused and I want her to go forward doing better by not enacting that same kind of torment on other innocent people. She treats people who helped bring her projects to life like garbage, she treated other webcomic artists like garbage, she treats peoples' hurt like a game or a tally. If she's going to choose to leverage lawyers as if that means anything, when I've done nothing wrong and I will stand by that, that's a reflection of her, not of her victims. It's been a pattern, and she's had no accountability and has made no changes for years. If she'd like to start, I am still open, I try to practice what I preach and I do try to be a forgiving person even when there's a lot of hurt involved. It's not my place to forgive every single thing she's done, because she has so many victims, but I am willing to talk if she ever finds it in her heart to see her victims as real people with feelings.
