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[orcbara]

you can tell that the current political state of america is an absolute trainwreck because despite being a big anniversary year the american patriotism themed 4th of july furry porn was at an all time low this year

[neovagina-penisis-evangelion]

I'm so done arguing with ISFF, PT, and PDB dipshits. Y'all will just use the trolling tactics y'all learned from 4chan.

Y'all will move goalposts, argue in bad faith, attribute words to people who didn't say any of that shit, engage in sealioning, and you'll pull out the same arguments again and again and again.

Y'all talk about nuance and theory and I have responded with complex and nuanced breakdowns but none of y'all ever wanted any of that. You just wanna say the same shit over and over again and not fucking listen because all y'all wanna do is jerk off to children and animals.

None of y'all care that you are feeding the worst stereotypes of trans women, your rhetoric will get us killed and persecuted more than we already are.

[transmascvoicesproject]

the backlash to this blog fully exemplifies the fact that current online queer spaces seem to only exist to uplift trans women/transfems and silence anyone who disagrees with them ESPECIALLY if they are not trans women (and also, dare i say, ESPECIALLY if they're afab) the current "trans community" explicitly doesn't give a fuck about trans mascs or trans men or nonbinary people even if they end up protecting predators. it's fucking disgusting, and only solidifies my belief that tme/tma is a junk term. being raped and silenced isn't privilege. trans men and trans mascs have NO concrete privilege over trans women or even in the trans community.

please please please take care of yourself op, drink water, and get some sleep. turn off your computer for a bit if it helps.

note: i am disabled, excuse any spelling errors/grammar errors

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[no-imply]

I really think this blog should shut down.

Most people, including the blog owner no doubt, would agree that it would be a bad idea to create an explicit community for victims of "black-on-white" crime. This is because it will very easily become fodder for racists. That basic fact is impossible to avoid. There is probably a nonzero amount of white women who would probably feel safe enough in such a space to disclose experiences of rape from Black men, who don't disclose such experience because they're worried it will be politicized, or that they will be shut down for being racist. But it would be a poor idea to have such a space. Because whether you acknowledge it or not, and whether you want it to or not, if you are an active follower of such a space, you're going to think negatively of Black people. That is impossible to avoid.

We can already see things like this happening. There's an account named "Women Posting Ls" on Twitter with over 662K+ followers. A good majority of those people probably don't consider themselves misogynists, but they don't have to because constant, repeated exposure to "bitchy" women has undoubtedly skewed these people's perception of women in some way, particularly for (no hate) virgins with few female interactions and even fewer female friends. Does it have to be major? No, but perhaps they're likelier to conclude that women are emotional, "bitchy," "bipolar," inconsistent, hypocritical, have unattainable standards (7'8" alpha billionaires who founded a Fortune 500 company at age 12), or that anything that comes out of a woman's mouth cannot be trusted. This is still misogyny.

Repeated exposure to someone's worst traits will make you think that that's all their entire group is, because humans like to generalize. Even cis men aren't safe from this, because patriarchal attitudes about female purity has the side effect of people attaching every "dirty" trait to cis men, including the idea that all cis men are natural-born predators.

Below are some images from the reply section of WomenPostingLs to illustrate my point.

There was perhaps a well-intentioned, ultimately naive belief that this blog could uplift victims of trans women who fear that they will be talked over and shut down as bigots, or their experience ignored to "keep the peace." Which certain people are turning into a reality. And even now, I want to say that no one save for again, a few people, is trying to place a flawed unity above accountability by shutting down victims of trans women. But if all you talk about are trans women predators, if all you talk about is Black people committing crime, you're going to create superpredator rhetoric. And comparing reasonable opposition to a blog like this to "abuse apologia" ignores decades of tested, peer reviewed, outright confirmed history. History that is already repeating if you just look around you right now. Because whether you like it or not, dehumanizing your opponents like this takes advantage of the negativity bias, which is something fascists have done and continue to do.

Why do you think the Trump administration constantly politicizes crimes committed by illegal (usually Hispanic) immigrants? Can you think of what it is they're trying to get you to associate with illegal (usually Hispanic) immigrants? Can you think of why they want to create an association between Hispanic illegal immigrants, and crime? Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, Sarah Root, Jocelyn Nungaray. What do they have in common? What did ICE do with their names? If you can't see the correlation between stuff like this and ICE's (often fatal) targeting of Hispanic people, and how such a correlation could be drawn from a simple blog like this, and how a blog like this could become evidence to support such targeting, then all I can say is don't leave Tumblr because you're the Patsy they're looking for. May no one ever discover what actually goes on here.

Also, because I fucking hate ISFF, I'm just going to outright say it. If you're an ISFF supporter, this blog is your fault. This blog would not exist if people like you weren't more concerned with the identities of predators than their actions. You uplift transfem voices, except for the ones trying to tell you about the abusers in your community. You platform, protect, and promote abusers and call their victims monsters for wanting to feel safe and protected. You and your repackaged rape culture does nothing but serve to isolate trans women and victims from communities that promised them refuge from a world that already isolates them. The entire ISFF brigade is a pack of useful idiots.

[taikk0]

COME ON AND SLAM!!!!!!!! AND WELCOME TO THE JAM!!!!!!!!!

I yearn for basketball adventure sigh LETS GO BIG TOOPPSSS

[silvermoon424]

Bro absolutely COOKED with this.

[ohnoitstbskyen]

If you ever hear the phrase "fascism is aesthetics as politics," that's what this post is talking about.

It's not about being tough on crime, because the absolute toughest most brutal measure you could take against "crime" as a social problem is to alleviate poverty, and increase access to education, healthcare and social mobility.

It's about performing "tough on crime" as an aesthetic by enacting violence against a prop, i.e. minorities and the impoverished, who are fetishized and objectified to represent "crime." They are brutalized as punishment for crime, but never with the purpose of alleviating the problem of crime.

This is why a lot of conservatives and other right wingers can get straight up angry when you suggest things like reform or social measures to reduce crime. They don't want crime to be reduced, they want an eternal war against "crime" because it provides an arena for the righteous to demonstrate virtue by brutalizing their enemies.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

(EDIT) Can you address what it is Gooseworx actually did?

[bigkislangit09]

1. Meh. If she wasn't a trans woman you wouldn't hound her for this stuff because it never ends with just an apology. You'll just find another reason to keep your contempt going.

2. Sorry. I don't really believe you're black since a lot of people just say that on the internet to keep a discourse going since they believe that gives them more credibility.

3. Tags that really indicate what this "discourse" really is for you.

[no-imply]

Can you just admit you didn't read any of my posts? Do you think that after she apologizes, everyone needs to forgive her or they're the problem? People can feel however they want to feel about the things she did to hurt them. I don't like contempt, I try to be a charitable, forgiving person, but I can only do that when I have reasons to do that. Hell, when this first happened, I didn't even think she was racist - just ignorant. It was her inaction after all of this that made me conclude she was racist. If she had apologized, I would've been willing to forgive. I really hope you have people in your life who can clock you for being entitled enough to shame minorities who are hurt enough to not just accept apologies. It's incredibly clear what you are.

Not only are you being entitled on behalf of a white woman, somehow you're entitled enough to think you can tell me my race. Good fucking riddance.

[silverswinds]

You don't seem to show any regret for participating in another trans witch hunt and denying the very obvious transmisogyny at play here just because the victim of transmisogyny somewhat benefits from white privilege. Should YOU get harassed until you apologize and your harassers graciously decide to forgive you?

[no-imply]

I show no regret because whenever I try to speak about an issue that is, frankly, simple, I get met with the living embodiment of this image:

Just say you don't respect black people at all. Calling out racism should not warrant this level of sweeping.

If you want people to be less regretful, keep downplaying their experiences.

[silverswinds]

Yeah and if you want that image to continue happening to you, keep reinforcing the dichotomy that I have to either side with black people or trans people whenever another trans woman gets fucking crucified for having an opinion. Keep interpreting my sympathy with trans women as a racially motivated attack on cis people, that'll definitely get said trans women on your side and not at all attract other transphobes.

[no-imply]

"you made a whole fucking tag for shittalking gooseworx" Can I genuinely ask who you think I am? Because I didn't do that.

[silverswinds]

I'm willing to bet you made your blog just so you could be transmisogynistic with plausible deniability. Your oldest post related to trans people is 9 days old and it's you telling a trans girl that her experiences of transmisogyny from other marginalized groups are false because she didn't word it in the proper essay format.

[no-imply]

Please answer my question.

[silverswinds]

What do you mean by this tag? Why do you have a whole tag dedicated to stalking a trans woman that you hate?

[no-imply]

That tag wasn't for Gooseworx, it was for you. I'm calling you racist.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

(EDIT) Can you address what it is Gooseworx actually did?

[bigkislangit09]

1. Meh. If she wasn't a trans woman you wouldn't hound her for this stuff because it never ends with just an apology. You'll just find another reason to keep your contempt going.

2. Sorry. I don't really believe you're black since a lot of people just say that on the internet to keep a discourse going since they believe that gives them more credibility.

3. Tags that really indicate what this "discourse" really is for you.

[no-imply]

Can you just admit you didn't read any of my posts? Do you think that after she apologizes, everyone needs to forgive her or they're the problem? People can feel however they want to feel about the things she did to hurt them. I don't like contempt, I try to be a charitable, forgiving person, but I can only do that when I have reasons to do that. Hell, when this first happened, I didn't even think she was racist - just ignorant. It was her inaction after all of this that made me conclude she was racist. If she had apologized, I would've been willing to forgive. I really hope you have people in your life who can clock you for being entitled enough to shame minorities who are hurt enough to not just accept apologies. It's incredibly clear what you are.

Not only are you being entitled on behalf of a white woman, somehow you're entitled enough to think you can tell me my race. Good fucking riddance.

[silverswinds]

You don't seem to show any regret for participating in another trans witch hunt and denying the very obvious transmisogyny at play here just because the victim of transmisogyny somewhat benefits from white privilege. Should YOU get harassed until you apologize and your harassers graciously decide to forgive you?

[no-imply]

I show no regret because whenever I try to speak about an issue that is, frankly, simple, I get met with the living embodiment of this image:

Just say you don't respect black people at all. Calling out racism should not warrant this level of sweeping.

If you want people to be less regretful, keep downplaying their experiences.

[silverswinds]

Yeah and if you want that image to continue happening to you, keep reinforcing the dichotomy that I have to either side with black people or trans people whenever another trans woman gets fucking crucified for having an opinion. Keep interpreting my sympathy with trans women as a racially motivated attack on cis people, that'll definitely get said trans women on your side and not at all attract other transphobes.

[no-imply]

"you made a whole fucking tag for shittalking gooseworx" Can I genuinely ask who you think I am? Because I didn't do that.

[silverswinds]

I'm willing to bet you made your blog just so you could be transmisogynistic with plausible deniability. Your oldest post related to trans people is 9 days old and it's you telling a trans girl that her experiences of transmisogyny from other marginalized groups are false because she didn't word it in the proper essay format.

[no-imply]

Please answer my question.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

(EDIT) Can you address what it is Gooseworx actually did?

[bigkislangit09]

1. Meh. If she wasn't a trans woman you wouldn't hound her for this stuff because it never ends with just an apology. You'll just find another reason to keep your contempt going.

2. Sorry. I don't really believe you're black since a lot of people just say that on the internet to keep a discourse going since they believe that gives them more credibility.

3. Tags that really indicate what this "discourse" really is for you.

[no-imply]

Can you just admit you didn't read any of my posts? Do you think that after she apologizes, everyone needs to forgive her or they're the problem? People can feel however they want to feel about the things she did to hurt them. I don't like contempt, I try to be a charitable, forgiving person, but I can only do that when I have reasons to do that. Hell, when this first happened, I didn't even think she was racist - just ignorant. It was her inaction after all of this that made me conclude she was racist. If she had apologized, I would've been willing to forgive. I really hope you have people in your life who can clock you for being entitled enough to shame minorities who are hurt enough to not just accept apologies. It's incredibly clear what you are.

Not only are you being entitled on behalf of a white woman, somehow you're entitled enough to think you can tell me my race. Good fucking riddance.

[silverswinds]

You don't seem to show any regret for participating in another trans witch hunt and denying the very obvious transmisogyny at play here just because the victim of transmisogyny somewhat benefits from white privilege. Should YOU get harassed until you apologize and your harassers graciously decide to forgive you?

[no-imply]

I show no regret because whenever I try to speak about an issue that is, frankly, simple, I get met with the living embodiment of this image:

Just say you don't respect black people at all. Calling out racism should not warrant this level of sweeping.

If you want people to be less regretful, keep downplaying their experiences.

[silverswinds]

Yeah and if you want that image to continue happening to you, keep reinforcing the dichotomy that I have to either side with black people or trans people whenever another trans woman gets fucking crucified for having an opinion. Keep interpreting my sympathy with trans women as a racially motivated attack on cis people, that'll definitely get said trans women on your side and not at all attract other transphobes.

[no-imply]

"you made a whole fucking tag for shittalking gooseworx" Can I genuinely ask who you think I am? Because I didn't do that.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

(EDIT) Can you address what it is Gooseworx actually did?

[bigkislangit09]

1. Meh. If she wasn't a trans woman you wouldn't hound her for this stuff because it never ends with just an apology. You'll just find another reason to keep your contempt going.

2. Sorry. I don't really believe you're black since a lot of people just say that on the internet to keep a discourse going since they believe that gives them more credibility.

3. Tags that really indicate what this "discourse" really is for you.

[no-imply]

Can you just admit you didn't read any of my posts? Do you think that after she apologizes, everyone needs to forgive her or they're the problem? People can feel however they want to feel about the things she did to hurt them. I don't like contempt, I try to be a charitable, forgiving person, but I can only do that when I have reasons to do that. Hell, when this first happened, I didn't even think she was racist - just ignorant. It was her inaction after all of this that made me conclude she was racist. If she had apologized, I would've been willing to forgive. I really hope you have people in your life who can clock you for being entitled enough to shame minorities who are hurt enough to not just accept apologies. It's incredibly clear what you are.

Not only are you being entitled on behalf of a white woman, somehow you're entitled enough to think you can tell me my race. Good fucking riddance.

[silverswinds]

You don't seem to show any regret for participating in another trans witch hunt and denying the very obvious transmisogyny at play here just because the victim of transmisogyny somewhat benefits from white privilege. Should YOU get harassed until you apologize and your harassers graciously decide to forgive you?

[no-imply]

I show no regret because whenever I try to speak about an issue that is, frankly, simple, I get met with the living embodiment of this image:

Just say you don't respect black people at all. Calling out racism should not warrant this level of sweeping.

If you want people to be less regretful, keep downplaying their experiences.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

(EDIT) Can you address what it is Gooseworx actually did?

[bigkislangit09]

1. Meh. If she wasn't a trans woman you wouldn't hound her for this stuff because it never ends with just an apology. You'll just find another reason to keep your contempt going.

2. Sorry. I don't really believe you're black since a lot of people just say that on the internet to keep a discourse going since they believe that gives them more credibility.

3. Tags that really indicate what this "discourse" really is for you.

[no-imply]

Can you just admit you didn't read any of my posts? Do you think that after she apologizes, everyone needs to forgive her or they're the problem? People can feel however they want to feel about the things she did to hurt them. I don't like contempt, I try to be a charitable, forgiving person, but I can only do that when I have reasons to do that. Hell, when this first happened, I didn't even think she was racist - just ignorant. It was her inaction after all of this that made me conclude she was racist. If she had apologized, I would've been willing to forgive. I really hope you have people in your life who can clock you for being entitled enough to shame minorities who are hurt enough to not just accept apologies. It's incredibly clear what you are.

Not only are you being entitled on behalf of a white woman, somehow you're entitled enough to think you can tell me my race. Good fucking riddance.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[bigkislangit09]

My god. This is obviously just about her being trans. You're contempt for her is seriously evident and you sound like every racist and misogynist when talking about Kamala Harris. What type of thing do you want her to do for her supposed past actions? Continously grovel at the internet whenever she's talking online?

[no-imply]

An actual apology would be nice. I talked about how bad her apology was earlier, but if you continue to insist that my demands for her are unreasonable, I can go into exactly what makes it a bad apology.

Yes, by this point, I'd say I have contempt for her. Should I, a Black person, not have contempt for someone who can't even do the bare minimum in owning up for her actions, when I have literally outlined how bare the bare minimum is? She couldn't even do that? Seriously? In this world, respect is earned.

What about my tags? My tags are mirroring the tags that the original poster was using, tags that the original poster has been using since before I even started.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[jothb]

I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man who was actively worse in every possible way and a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions. All while saying "oh but I could not possibly support harassment of her. How such a hate fandom appeared is an unsolvable mystery"

Max Gilardy was not just "edgy", he was someone who drew racist carichatures involving racial slurs and then harass black people that would take offence with that. He had so many nword moments, even in recent memory (the now deleted gold digger tweet. It was an unfinished rhyme. You get the rest) that it is hard to even remember them all. He has only stopped actively engaging with right wing accounts, drawing tasteless political cartoons and posting an image of a fleshlight titled "ideal woman" within what, the last 2 years? Way after he has supposedly "regretted his past and apologised". Or when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent.

And are you serious? "He's racist" "Well I only heard that he's a zionist" Yeah that's what I said.

Remember when he made a blatantly racist depiction of Shigeru Miyamoto for his video about joycon drift complete with a slit eyes and a violently racist accent? That was in *2021*, years after his supposed change for the better

Or the fact that his Apu video is to this day used to shut up both racialised Voice Actors speaking out against racism in the industry (like ProZD, who to this day receives harassment for that very reason) as well as many minorities speaking out against racist stereotypes in popular media (primarily those from India)

And yet despite all that all he really had to do to clean his image was literally redesign his sona to be more goofy and make a cartoon show where he has fun with his ghost buddy.

And if you ever bring up the fact that he never really changed and the shift was only because he felt the winds change an army of 12 thousand queer teenagers with his profile pic and chuds with pepe pfps will show up in your comments to say that you're just a hysterical bitch who doesnt believe people can change, that his video on Apu is actually correct on everything, you're just overreacting and that Voice Actors of colour wanting to have more opportunities to actually voice people of their own ethnicities instead of a white guy doing a racist accent are all just asking for DEI

[no-imply]

"I love how in just one post you have combined the defense of a cis man" stop. You didn't comprehend the post. I was asking for information about claims that were entirely new to me. I only knew the Steven Jewniverse/related controversies before this. Should I have used the /genq tone indicator? I didn't think I needed it, but regardless, I suggest you reframe your mindset and stop assuming all questioning is coming from a negative place. Thanks.

"And are you serious? 'He's racist' 'Well I only heard that he's a zionist' Yeah that's what I said." If you meant to say he was a Zionist, which I already knew, that's what you would've said. Zionists are racists, but all racists aren't Zionists. Because I know most people would've said Zionist if they wanted to refer to him as a Zionist, my assumption was that you were referring to other instances of racism, not his Zionism. Still, my bad.

I also, explicitly, did not say that Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback. That's a brand new sentence. I said she, as in Gooseworx, has not done enough to rectify her wrongdoings. My focus is strictly on Gooseworx and the actions she took; not once did I talk about other people's reactions to her at all outside of the hate blog being bad. The actions she takes (or doesn't take) and how people react to them are different concepts, the latter being something that I do not intend to predict. So I ask you to decouple those concepts, and to engage with what I'm actually saying, not make up brand new sentences that I never even hinted at. These concepts are not inextricably linked. I could've been writing this, totally in agreement with you that Gooseworx has seen too much pushback and that people need to give her room to make up for what she did.

And that's because I wanted to be that person when I first heard about this. I actually wanted to be forgiving, and I'm partly writing this out of disappointment in Gooseworx that she couldn't even do that bare minimum. I still remember waiting for her to say something, anything, when people were attacking Black fans in the community for their beliefs. So, until I say "she needs more pushback," you have no grounds to say I believe Gooseworx is not getting enough pushback.

But, I do, and I'm confused as to why you think her lackluster responses to her own racism should not receive pushback. And that's why I want to ask what your primary concern is. Is it for Gooseworx to be held accountable by an upset public in a reasonable manner? Is it for people to have consistent standards? Or is it to not criticize Gooseworx at all because she's just a wittle baby? Because I wanted to think it was the 2nd option, but your response to my criticisms of Gooseworx being "a claim that actually the trans woman isnt getting enough pushback for her past actions," while constantly avoiding addressing Goose's own actions and inaction is making me lean towards the 3rd option. Why don't you want to talk about what Gooseworx actually did?

I'm still right to criticize you for assuming how I feel about her actions. It's bad form in discussions like this. But you're right that I think the level of pushback she has received is not enough given how little accountability she is willing to take. I want to see people talking about this until she and all the other people you have mentioned, like OneyPlays, Game Grumps, Max, and maybe Dropout (though I don't know what they did) are actually apologetic and actually do something to fix it. Pushback is not the same thing as harassment, hate fandoms, and "snark communities," and me criticizing Gooseworx for what she did does not mean that I want to funnel attention towards unproductive hate sinks that, frankly, aren't even good at their job and make wildly misleading, bullshit claims. Nor will I let other people off the hook.

Thank you.

[jothb]

It's so awesome cool and progressive that the second result of looking up a trans woman on this site is a dedicated hate blog that specifically states "DNI if you defend this trans woman"

But it's okay guys, they put a sign saying "don't harass the tranny! Just let me collect all the reasons that she is unforgivable in one place :)"

[jothb]

It is incredibly telling that there isnt a massive anti-oneyplays fandom despite Smiling Friends being an equally popular show among tumblr queers and those guys actually doing everything gooseworx has been accused of and more "She joked about being the next Shadman!" wow that's crazy. Chris O'Neil housed Shadman and actively defended all the vile shit he did on twitter, including lolicon of real actual children. Why is nobody talking about this. Where is the anti oneyplays fan club. Or anti GameGrumps. Or (and this is a hot one) anti Dropout. Why is there only a hate club for the tranny. Why are the hate clubs only ever for the trannies? But of course, "DNI if you make it about her being trans, thats totally not why she became our target"

[jothb]

[jothb]

I would appreciate it if people reblogged this version that specifically calls out that none of the cis men in the same industry are held to the same standard even when they've done worse, continue to do worse and have not shown any sign of changing or regretting their past actions besides "I stopped saying the n word because people would get mad at me" and not because it's racist.

For god's sake the same people that deride Gooseworx on every social media site will sometimes straight up have Max "hotdiggitydemon" "Steven Jewniverse" "Steven N***averse" "Sans from Undertale calls Papyrus the nword" "Still actively racist" Gilardy profile pics with zero self reflection. And I'm supposed to take anything ever said about "holding trans women accountable " seriously? Gimme a break

[no-imply]

Still actively racist? Where? I've heard that he's a Zionist which would also be bad (though I only vaguely remember this claim now so I can't say if it's true) but I've never heard anyone say that he's saying racist things to this day.

Kinda related to this, I will also note that Gooseworx is also someone who has not shown any sign of regret for her past actions, specifically the racist things she said. In fact, she barely addressed them. She made a really weak lackluster apology ("I'm sorry for everything I've said on streams," didn't even address a lot of the other stuff) after waiting a few days, sitting back, and doing nothing while Black fans in her community were being harassed for being "uppity." The only time she actually made a statement was a stupid joke statement about how racists should shoot themselves, again, after the controversy had moved into real life because of Plainrock.

I'm not saying there should be a hatebase stalker blog. I hate it too, and it is also not fair that some people who are as bad as or worse than Gooseworx are not receiving this level of attention. But not once do you actually make it clear that Gooseworx is also barely apologetic and has done nothing to show remorse for what she did and said.

[liberalsarecool]

Getting #BlackRock to change/exit the real estate market in NYC is a massive win for New Yorkers and #ZohranMamdani.

[penatola]

a "he/it/they" in bio just told me "Jax went my He him until he Extracted. So im callin him He."

like shit remenver when we used to gaf. remember when we used to mourn all the trans people who killed themselves and werent out and so nobody to remember them could ever even think to call them the right pronouns. there was no shot the right name was on the grave. they died lonely, scared, tortured by society, like ISTTG they were burried alive and they died burried. Nobody ever saw the real them.

Remember when we used to mourn all the ways in death we would be unable to be ourselves, and then have compassion for those who never got to even in life? Now we have members of our own community saying things like this.

It's not a fandom discourse to me, it is indicative of your overall opinions on other trans people. If you want to go out of your way to misgender a trans woman in death, no the reason doesn't matter, I don't trust you. Fiction or not. In fiction y'all love to write think pieces about how y'all wanna brutalize us and be horrible to us - and we are just supposed to take any BS excuse as justification. I am tired. No more.

[no-imply]

Thank you for the insightful comparison. So then, what's the IRL alternative of referring to Jax, the closeted trans woman who spent the entire show hating femininity, with she/her pronouns that he explicitly did not want to use during the show.

It's outing Jax. Before he is ready, no less; like the "allies" who forcibly reveal their trans friend is trans because they were "trying to help," then insist that it's for their own good or that they know better than the person themselves. How much better are you than them?

This argument would make even a little bit of sense if Jax was even slightly receptive to being called that, or actually aware that he is closeted - and even then, if Jax didn't come out within the show, there is a reason for that. He's not comfortable, he's not ready, or he's not safe (though the last one is not true given the show's environment).

Your argument conflates trans people who actually came out in any capacity, died, and were/are remembered under the wrong name and pronouns with people like Jax, who realized it in (essentially) his dying moment, after trying to deny and fight it. He honestly probably would've avoided it longer if he could've. He spent the duration of that revelation crying about being a pathetic, hateable asshat who wanted no one to love him.

That's the problem with all your scenarios, because in all of them a trans woman vocalized to at least one person what she really wanted to be called. Jax did not ever get to say what he wanted to be called.

[penatola]

jax is a fictional character. you dont bitch about gay headcannons or fanfiction as if they were real, yet now when acknowledging cannon you wanna go "but its weird". fuck you.

[no-imply]

Aren't these wildly different examples??

Thank you for reminding me, I must've forgotten somewhere along the way that Jax is fictional. But how you treat trans people in real life should extend to how you treat them in fiction, so this is a completely pointless argument.

If I read my friend's diary and find out they're a closeted trans woman (or even potentially closeted but not quite certain), I won't be treating them as the gender identity they have given themselves. Until they want people to know, I'm acting like I never found out. The whole point is to let them be comfortable with expressing themselves. Who knows if they were even ready to embrace that yet? Do you know if they're ready for other people to accept that?

Perhaps the appropriate thing to do would be to find some type of way to get them to talk about it themselves. Every time that even came close to happening with Jax, he ran and pushed the idea away.

It's as simple as that. You don't know how painful it can be to have people speed up your journey for you, or prematurely force the end stages of your journey onto you because they think they know better.

The word "weird" wasn't once uttered by me. Advice: perhaps look into what I actually said. Like, are you completely stupid?? Bugger off.

[penatola]

a "he/it/they" in bio just told me "Jax went my He him until he Extracted. So im callin him He."

like shit remenver when we used to gaf. remember when we used to mourn all the trans people who killed themselves and werent out and so nobody to remember them could ever even think to call them the right pronouns. there was no shot the right name was on the grave. they died lonely, scared, tortured by society, like ISTTG they were burried alive and they died burried. Nobody ever saw the real them.

Remember when we used to mourn all the ways in death we would be unable to be ourselves, and then have compassion for those who never got to even in life? Now we have members of our own community saying things like this.

It's not a fandom discourse to me, it is indicative of your overall opinions on other trans people. If you want to go out of your way to misgender a trans woman in death, no the reason doesn't matter, I don't trust you. Fiction or not. In fiction y'all love to write think pieces about how y'all wanna brutalize us and be horrible to us - and we are just supposed to take any BS excuse as justification. I am tired. No more.

[no-imply]

Thank you for the insightful comparison. So then, what's the IRL alternative of referring to Jax, the closeted trans woman who spent the entire show hating femininity, with she/her pronouns that he explicitly did not want to use during the show.

It's outing Jax. Before he is ready, no less; like the "allies" who forcibly reveal their trans friend is trans because they were "trying to help," then insist that it's for their own good or that they know better than the person themselves. How much better are you than them?

This argument would make even a little bit of sense if Jax was even slightly receptive to being called that, or actually aware that he is closeted - and even then, if Jax didn't come out within the show, there is a reason for that. He's not comfortable, he's not ready, or he's not safe (though the last one is not true given the show's environment).

Your argument conflates trans people who actually came out in any capacity, died, and were/are remembered under the wrong name and pronouns with people like Jax, who realized it in (essentially) his dying moment, after trying to deny and fight it. He honestly probably would've avoided it longer if he could've. He spent the duration of that revelation crying about being a pathetic, hateable asshat who wanted no one to love him.

That's the problem with all your scenarios, because in all of them a trans woman vocalized to at least one person what she really wanted to be called. Jax did not ever get to say what he wanted to be called.

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