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I think I just found the only reasonable exchange involving two people with opposing views on porn to ever exist on this website

elfbymoonlight

actually so based

stillnaomi

using violence to liberate people from sweatshops, unsafe mines, and grinding poverty isn't the same as using violence to impose those things on people. the idea that violence is morally repugnant regardless of context is a belief that every oppressor throughout history would love for the oppressed to hold

jambeast

Posts like these don't really understand what exploitation is or how exploitation works and how it's different to chattel slavery.

Exploitation happens when there's somebody in a bad situation without any good choices, and you give them a bad choice, and they take the bad choice because it's the least bad choice they have. When someone is facing starvation and homelessness, you offer them a shitty terrible dangerous demeaning job, because they don't have any better choice. Perhaps you could give them a better, safer, better paying job, but that would make you less money, and they don't have any better choices than your bad job, so you don't need to offer them a good job.

Blowing up their place of work and denying them their shitty job doesn't grant them a good job. These are people stuck with the terrible choice between either a dangerous, demeaning, low paying job, or starvation, poverty and homelessness.

They do not benefit from you choosing starvation and homelessness for them on their behalf.

The solution is to offer them better choices.

mrbity

There's a very retributive angle to the mindset, one more focused on the catharsis of destroying what is bad without considering how to create something that is good. You can't cross that bridge when you get to it - you take away the thing that was oppressing someone but keeping them alive, they're not going to sit around and wait for you to give them something better!

This isn't some academic abstract either, it's explicitly why things such as crime crackdowns and international interventions routinely fail. 'Liberate' is a word that's doing a tremendous amount of work in these contexts.

jambeast

Like, if you've ever had a shitty job that you haven't enjoyed, it's probably because you needed to make money and couldn't easily get a better job.

If I get you fired and make you unemployed on your behalf without asking you, I am not doing you a favor.

Because you needed to make money, and couldn't easily get a better job. And now you can't make money, and still can't easily get a better job.

transgenderer

every criticism of effective altruism seems to value the lives of africans at ~0. its like arguments about vegetarianism but vastly crazier, because it's yknow. it's human children! theyre not even that far away! you could take a plane and go see them! EA matters, a lot!

sequel2heaven

The recent NY Post hit piece against effective altruism basically says it outright. Giving money to people who live in the third world "takes away building relationships with your neighbor, that impulse to give locally"

Lives saved in Africa are just abstract statistics, numbers, and caring about them makes you a nerd. Lives in the first world are real people, and if you withhold from them their chicken nuggets and opera houses you must hate human flourishing.

argumate

The government cut funding for the New World screwworm monitoring program and then reportedly ignored ranchers warning the parasite was work

dang

garmbreak1

it's not great that every nation in the world seems to believe that if they kill enough civilians, the enemy will give up, even though the deaths of their own civilians would simply make them fight harder

jarl-deathwolf

Theres a concept - mainly in conservative circles but still widely believed even outside them - that the rules of war are for chumps and breaking them is something like an instant win button. It just means youre "serious" and are "totally committed to winning"

But the big reason that you have these agreed upon rules of war (they pop up a lot throughout history; ours are just unusual in that they allegedly apply to all nations) is that you otherwise get spirals of vengeance that lead to massacres that do nothing to actually bringing a swift resolution to war (because, while war is awful, if you really must have war it is better to be as short and bloodless as possible).

I remember reading that the London Blitz started off as a mistake - German bombers got lost at night and dropped their payload in a residential district rather than an industrial one. Naturally, Churchill responded in kind. But the Germans did not go "ah, this is retaliation for that thing we did by accident" they went "the nefarious British are terrorizing our people, we must show them we will not be intimidated." Which provoked a similar response ad naseuam.

And the end result is a lot of pointless destruction with no strategic gain.

crowns-of-violets-and-roses

The popularity of ~~problematic~~ kinky erotica is similar to the prevalence of monarchies in speculative fiction.

Sure, it's fair to find it annoying but the people who read those novels generally don't want a monarchy in real life, enjoyment of it doesn't indicate that they're subconsciously anti-democratic and the popularity of that type of fiction isn't an indicator of some growing social ill.

But then occasionally you'll be reading an author with slowly dawning horror as you realise he genuinely believes in the divine right of kings

crowns-of-violets-and-roses

There’s a type of tag response to this post which boils down to “yeah I hate when a story featuring [kink I enjoy] which obviously is there for fun also includes [kink I dislike] which obviously reflects the author’s actual beliefs”. And like. Come on

jambeast

“it's certainly not difficult to find more egregious examples of British cops doing a terrible job” you guys support them in those instances too. I assume you’re referring to instances which occurred some fifty years ago, because for the past few decades British cops have been loyal footsoldiers to the anti-Whites. You support the police in the Henry Nowak story for the same reason you support them in Rotherham for the same reason you support them when they arrest people for posting offensive things on social media

You're quoting the other guy there, I didn't say that.

That said 1) I think that, while the degree to which the police arrest people for posting things on social media is heavily exaggerated by the right, to the extent that it actually *does* happen I don't support it and think it's bad.

2) Police failures in Rotherham were bad and condemnable, I just think they were also condemnable when the crimes weren't committed by the ethnic group you don't like too. As far as reasons why the police failed with those cases, there are dozens of contributing factors more significant than race, and the evidence of race being a contributing factor are mostly half-quotes from an off-handed comment from like 2 or 3 individuals.

You guys have looked at all the bad crime in the country, drawn a big red circle around only the cases done specifically by the skin color you don't like, gave it a special name and decided it was the only crime that matters.

Like, statistically, pakistanis commit ~2% of the child sex crimes nationally, while making up ~2% of the population.

But if you look exclusively, not at child-sex-crimes in general, but child-sex-crimes-committed-by-pakistani-men, pakistani men commit ONE HUNDRED percent of those child sex crimes committed by pakistani men! (likewise, in 100% of cases when it rains on a tuesday... it is on a tuesday.)

Do you see the issue with the statistical analysis here?

There's like a real world out there with real people, committing real crimes for real reasons, and not for the fantastical reasons that you guys vividly fantasise about about an epic rape-crusade of all-against all, where every criminal whose skin color you don't like is a footsoldier carrying out the will of the-skin-color-you-don't-like specifically to offend you in your chair. Like they aren't real individual criminals that commit real crimes for real reasons, but Manifestations of the Evil Spirit of the Concept of Brown.

thivus-2

Aside from revealing your rape fetish, what a worthless response.

Henry Nowak did not have to die, and the only reason you support the police in his case is the victim was White and the perpetrator was brown. Do you remember him? Henry Nowak is the guy we were discussing before you thought of child rape and started sperging out about it. He got stabbed by a brown. Just stabbed, not raped. I know your thoughts would be the same if he had been raped, but there’s no evidence he was. Just stabbed. The brown used a knife the brown is legally allowed to carry and brandish anytime he wants, though it would be illegal for a White man like Henry Nowak to have it.

After being stabbed, he could have lived, but the British police dragged him across the ground, handcuffed him to open up the wounds, and watched as he died. After dying, the police searched his phone and his father’s phone to find any instance of racism. Thank God that Henry Nowak never sent an edgy meme or off-color joke in his life, because his killer would still be at large if he had.

The officers in the Digwa case were acting in compliance with the “Police Race Action Plan,” a national program backed by all 43 Chief Constables in England and Wales. Police officers in the UK are made to take compulsory race training where they are told of their “White privilege” and that they work in an “institutionally racist organisation” (oh the irony).

Let me also fix the stat which you pulled out of your ass as well: Despite being about 10% of the UK population, South Asians commit no officially published percentage of all violent crime, because the UK does not produce a comprehensive statistic for that measure. However, it is a matter of public record and has been for a long time that the police and UK government deliberately cover up crimes perpetrated by browns, and have done so for decades.

jambeast

you thought of child rape and started sperging out about it.

You brought up Rotherham, that whole bit was me talking about Rotherham, something you accused me of supporting.

brandish anytime he wants

Not brandish - and not, y'know, stab. Pretty sure he got several weapons-related charges in addition to the life sentence for murder, extending the sentence

After being stabbed, he could have lived, but the British police dragged him across the ground, handcuffed him to open up the wounds, and watched as he died.

From the sentencing remarks

"It passed upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of 8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity. The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there. She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment."

He got stabbed in the lung and the bleeding was almost entirely internal, since you can see in the video that there is basically no visible blood outside his body outside of like a bloody nose, which is why the police wouldn't immediately know that he was stabbed until they checked about a minute later.

fter dying, the police searched his phone and his father’s phone to find any instance of racism

I think that was mostly just to find footage of the altercation, which the murderer knew was on it which is why he stole the phone and tried to hide it before it was confiscated by the police when they arrested him (and then tried him for murder, found him guilty, and sentenced him to life in prison)

It's hard to use this as a case of the UK government deliberately covering up crimes committed by Browns when this crime committed by a Brown is headline news with officially released bodycams and the resulting anti-brown riots, and when the brown in question was arrested, tried, found guilty, and again, sentenced to life in prison.

Maybe the murderer thought he was in the same Woke Anti-White Britain that you imagine we live in where playing the race card could let him get away with murder. Demonstrably this was not true! He is very much Not Getting Away With Murder.

st-just

On a purely reflexive level I admit I find the people who have a blatantly #problematic fantasy* but then construct these endless epicycles answering every way that it is problematic with a Watsoonian justification for how it's actually totally cool and progressive much more of a red flag than the ones who go 'yeah it's pretty fucked up when you think about it, anyway-'

*here used in the broadest possible sense

peavers-headache

Part of the issue is that people are responding to criticism from internet moralizers, but choosing the wrong response.

When someone says that getting off to HDG fiction is the same as romanticizing real life colonialism, the correct response is to say that HDG is bizarre alien erotica and does not reflect the reader's actual politics. Instead, the defensive response leads to strained justifications for colonialism.

When someone says that enjoying romance novels about princesses and knights shows the reader's callous indifference to real life feudalism, the correct response is to once again say that it's tropey fiction that doesn't reflect the reader's actual politics. But the defensive response is to try to justify the fictional aristocracy as politically progressive in extremely contrived ways.

phaeton-flier

Defense Secretary Hegseth previously announced the change due to an "impractical" system.

Not great!

phaeton-flier

One might even venture that this is another step towards Christian Supremacy from the current administration

argumate

There is a direct connection b/w leftist ideology presuming that white people are racist and the policemen jumping to the conclusion that Nowak was falsely claiming he had been stabbed in a desperate attempt to avoid a racism charge.

this story is the current obsession of those who believe in race war, most notably the owner of twitter and the rubes who follow him, and in some ways it's even dumber than the George Floyd obsession, not least because people should have learned better by now.

if I was the cop in that situation I would probably have assumed the guy on the ground was drunk! which is what British cops usually have to deal with when they get called to deal with someone being disorderly; murders are rare and the perpetrator doesn't usually call the cops.

and when the cops realised he had been stabbed they arrested the murderer and jailed him for life; this story is only an outrage if you believe cops should be clairvoyant, or arrest anyone of Indian ancestry on sight regardless of what's happening.

but obviously if you're already mad as hell that an Indian family is allowed to live in Britain in the first place then this is a convenient excuse to stoke racial hysteria and call for dumb policies.

jambeast

Looking at the bodycam video it really doesn't *look* like he'd been stabbed, you can't seen any blood or anything.

They arrive on scene to a call having been told that some drunk dude was being disorderly, find him delirious under a windowsil, drag him out, gently lay him in the recovery position. He says he's been stabbed, the guy who called the police says nobody was stabbed, police agree it doesn't LOOK like he's been stabbed but that they'll still check. And then they check, and then one minute later they call an ambulance. And once they figure who stabbed who the stabber is promptly arrested and sentenced to life in prison. Anything the stabber says to try to weasel out of life in prison (that the stabbed guy was racist and hate criming him) are swiftly dismissed.

The evidence of 'Two Tier Policing' here is that a murderer attempted to play the race card. But failed! The attempt to avoid a life sentence for murder by claiming the guy was racist and playing the victim didn't work, and they guy who did that got a life sentence.

But, like, The British Public can't really be reasoned with, so c'est la vie.

argumate

it's certainly not difficult to find more egregious examples of British cops doing a terrible job, but the incidents that spark discourse storms tend to be the dumb ones.

deadgenerations

great. so are we going to do anything about it?

oh so we are going to let the rapists investigate the rapes. how helpful. Now let's get back to the important work of figuring out why those nasty antisemitic Australians didn't vote for Israel at Eurovision.

deadgenerations

On first glance, this might appear to be a defensible measure. But there’s little evidence these abortions are occurring.

I enjoyed this article as a case study in spotting political deception rhetorical shell games. it's good to think about these sorts of things to build an armour against manipulation and dissembling

transgenderer

scott alexander is kind of a worst case scenario for reading nonfiction as each book he reads seems to have a roughly equal chance of making him understand the world *worse* because it is full of stupid lies

transgenderer

@kata4a said: did he recently review a book?

ever since he read from bauhaus to our house he's been using it as a major example in his theory of like taste and social change and stuff, and as far as i can tell it's just like. total fiction about the history of modern architecture. like. its a blatant hack job by someone who hates modern architecture and has blamed it on communism. he's mentioned it less often but afaict the rise of christianity is also bullshit (its history by a guy whose specialty is sociology. so like. its bad. god sociologists are so bad at their job. ethnographer or bust).

afloweroutofstone

My favorite category of government program to run across is "program you've never heard of doing extremely important work to solve a major problem which you have also never heard of." On that note, the US drops millions of pounds of sterile bugs over Panama each week in order to prevent a parasite infestation from moving into North America. Everyone say thank you to the Panama-United States Commission for the Eradication and Prevention of the Cattle Borer Worm (COPEG)

afloweroutofstone

This program had its funding cut during the DOGE cuts last year and now the parasitic worm they were trying to slow the spread of has officially arrived in the United States.

argumate

this kind of riot police behaviour is exactly what we saw in the US in 2020, when even entirely peaceful protests against police brutality would be met with beatings and tear gas, riot cops tripping over each other in their eagerness to get a blow in at the back of a fleeing journalist or shoot a beanbag round at someone just standing in the street.

and it's similar to what we saw in Hong Kong in 2019, when protests against the extradition law quickly became protests against the heavy handed response to the first protests; while policing norms differ across the world there's definitely a commonality once the helmets and shields and batons come out.

argumate

deadgenerations said: tbh: group violence feels awesome especially when you are pwning n00bs. I don’t think people are good at being restrained in those situations

yeah, and there have been enough leaks of cops psyching each other up about what they're going to do to protesters, much like messages that came out during investigations of them beating the crap out of someone who turned out to be an undercover cop.

collapsedsquid

Screwworms were once endemic to the US, but were eradicated in the 1960s amid a concerted effort to annihilate their population. This is done with aerial bombings of sterile male flies, which is the most effective weapon against the parasites. The mass release of dud studs elbows out fertile males, preventing them from mating with females, which generally only mate once. With this method, called Sterile Insect Technique, the flies were eradicated not just from the US, but from all of Central America. They were declared eradicated from Panama in 2006. Until recently, the screwworm population was kept at bay via a biological barrier along the Darién Gap at the border of Panama and Colombia. The USDA partnered with authorities in Panama to build a sterile fly production facility at the gap to regularly release sterile flies and hold the line. But in 2022, the barrier was breached, and the flies have been relentlessly buzzing northward since.

ot3

its awesome that neither mind reading nor god are real and all of the thoughts inside of your head are completely private and consequenceless forever #myprivacy

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