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These people just can't stop with their petty bullshit. You can't let go of a fucking hashtag and use it to slander an innocent man who died after battling cancer to score points with you fellow asshole internet friends. These people are true disgust, garbage, reprehensible monsters. They dont deserve to be called human. When misfortune befalls them after the misery nd petty hate they spw so selfishly,hardly all will shed a tear.
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TotalBuiscut passed away yesterday after his long fight with cancer. Hasn't stopped the assholes from coming out and spewing their vitriolic hatred of the man even spread lies all cause he Dare have an opinion. Since these edgy people wanted their views to be on display than let's grant them that and not ever let them forget what they said.
“Japanese people can’t have a valid opinion on a white American pop star wearing a kimono. Only Japanese-Americans can.”
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Of course Japanese people living in Japan don’t give a shit about representation in America because they’re not an ethnic minority where they’re living. However, Japanese-Americans are. The question isn’t whether or not Japanese people in Japan should have a valid opinion on racism or something else that actually affects them. It’s whether or not they have a valid opinion on something like “cultural appropriation” which only affects Japanese-Americans. So yeah, in this situation you should be asking solely the opinions of Japanese-Americans, whether they think cultural appropriation is an issue or not.
>The question isn’t whether or not Japanese people in Japan should have a valid opinion on racism or something else that actually affects them.
Wait a second. Cultural appropriation is specifically about someone taking someone else’s culture and using it. But now opinions of the members of that culture don’t count because it doesn’t actually “affect them”? According to who?
Do you think, do you sincerely and honestly think a few Americans in kimonos are going to erase the millenia-plus of history woven into every strand of fabric in every single garmet?
That’s like saying “Americans speaking Japanese is cultural appropriation”.
>It’s whether or not they have a valid opinion on something like “cultural appropriation” which only affects Japanese-Americans.
The entire point of the cultural appropriation meme is that the culture being appropriated from is somehow diminished in some appreciable way by the appropriation. If the people taking part in that culture - people who have a better claim on that culture than the descendants of emigrants - disagree, why do said emigrant descendants get to ‘overrule’ them?
>So yeah, in this situation you should be asking solely the opinions of Japanese-Americans, whether they think cultural appropriation is an issue or not.
No. It’s dishonest to just ignore people’s opinions because they disagree with you, then convince yourself it’s for some other reason.
First of all, I never said I thought Americans wearing kimonos was necessarily a bad thing, I was just trying to express why I think certain people’s opinions might be more valid than others’. But now that I think about it, I think I could’ve worded some of this a bit better.
Obviously, representation does ultimately affect Japanese people in Japan too, but I still think the degree in which it affects them, compared to Japanese people, is on a whole different level. What I was trying to get across is that Japanese people in Japan don’t feel underrepresented in media because 99% of Japan’s population is ethnically Japanese, and popular media there reflects that. Growing up in North America as a Japanese person means you won’t see as much of yourself in popular media, which is why stuff like white-washing is seen as an issue. People born and raised in Japan won’t live that same experience - which is why if you ask them what their stance is on white-washing or cultural appropriation, they probably won’t see it as an issue.
And I wasn’t saying all Japanese-Americans do see it as an issue, either. I don’t speak for all Japanese-Americans obviously but I know there are a lot who do.
And I’m not ignoring opinions just because they “disagree” with me (although I never stated my personal opinions on these issues, in that post at least), I was saying it’s easier for me to dismiss an opinion when the holder of that opinion doesn’t really have the right to speak on an issue that’s never affected them. I even said you should ask the opinions of Japanese-Americans “WHETHER THEY THINK CULTURAL APPROPRIATION IS AN ISSUE OR NOT”. That means I’m gonna see their opinion on the topic as more valid even if our opinions are the complete opposite.
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Legitimate question, because I’m very confused with this line of reasoning.
Okay so, the kimono is a thing heavily tied to Japanese culture. By almost every measure of cultural appropriation I’ve seen someone on this site use, it somehow falls to the culture that originated something to decide what happens with it (which I think is an absolutely crock way of looking at things, but that’s at least the model that I seem to see over and over). And one way to appropriate something is to take it away from its originators and decide that you’re going to determine how it’s used or what it should mean against the wishes of the originating culture.
Now, @equestria, it really seems like you’re trying to signal that there’s a divide between Japanese and Japanese-American cultures here, what with giving them varying levels of validity and all that (personally, I’d actually agree that the cultures are somewhat different, if still related. Cultures change with time and immigration and emigration (something cultural appropriation panics would actually slow, since this includes aspects of various cultures mixing as they come in contact)).
With all this in mind, it feels like the logic you’re using would mean that the Japanese-Americans who don’t support Katy Perry wearing the kimono, after having adopted it from another culture (Japan-Japanese) and then speaking over the majority opinion of that culture, are appropriating just as much if not more than KP is, since she’s at least using it with the support of the majority support of the culture it’s from.
@equestria, please note that this isn’t intended as a personal attack or anything I’m just… I really can’t get your logic here. If I’m misreading it, then maybe you could explain it a different way.
P.S.: one other thing you brought up was representation, which I think should be a separate debate from appropriation, but since it was brought up I’ll tackle it anyway. In what way would this kind of moral panic that sometimes springs up around cultural appropriation help with representation? It seems like much more the kind of thing that would make children think that they shouldn’t be willing to teach their friends about other cultures. It seems like the kind of things that would lock kids into thinking ‘this person is like me because they’re like, that person is different because they look different and can’t understand me.‘ What about the kind of representation that lets kids go ‘hey, that person is different than me, but they do the thing, just like my family does!‘ Should we work to make sure we don’t make mockeries out of cultures while doing it? Sure. But I honestly believe people will feel far more represented when they see others around them or in media doing the same things they enjoy regardless of race, rather than locking kids into this thinking of ‘I can only relate to this person if they’re just like me.‘
Of course, all this hemming and hawing is ignoring the fact that a lot of Japanese (or other Asian) Americans have never even BEEN to their country of origin, their first and native tongue is English, they’ve lived in the United States their entire life, yet they suddenly feel the need to claim the culture that they’re only tied to by ancestry as their own?
No, fuck you. If we’re talking about who culture belongs to, then it’s the actual Japanese people living in and/or raised in Japan who “get to decide” what other people do with their culture.
Or how about this?
CULTURAL APPROPRIATION IS FUCKING BULLSHIT AND IS MISUSED IN 99% OF SITUATIONS AS VERY BLATANT RACISM TO KEEP CULTURES FROM SPREADING BEYOND THE “PROPER” RACES IT CAME FROM.
I’ve responded to most of the above so I’m not going to engage with it.
But I’m curious, @slayerleila because it’s been something I’ve been thinking about since I saw your post months ago. How are you defining who gets to choose and decide what other people do with their culture? Why are Japanese Americans or other Japanese diaspora suddenly disqualified when there are many who have Japanese parents, grandparents, great grandparents, cousins, siblings, nephews, nieces who are Japanese citizens? What about Japanese Americans who have been to their country of origin, their first language was Japanese, and/or they bounced between Japan and the United States but identify as Japanese American? Or even Japanese-Americans who have Japanese citizenship but weren’t raised in Japan? Where exactly do they fall in this conversation? What about Japanese Americans heavily involved with cross-cultural interactions with Japan? Or are culturally involved in their culture? Where do they stand?
And if there is a hierarchy that exists of who gets to choose, then what does that mean of your own opinion? Especially when you aren’t Japanese in any way, shape, or form?
I’m saying that it’s the height of pretentiousness to pretend that you’re an authority on ANY culture merely by virtue of being the same race as them. If you and your immediate family were born and raised in America, then how can you claim that your opinion matters as much as actual Japanese people?
This is literally an all races/ethnicities thing… Like for me, just because I’m Latina doesn’t mean I can “authorize” or “approve” or whatever the hell anyone wants to do with Mexican culture, because my Latino half of the family has literally been living in America for generations so it’s pretty presumptuous to call myself an authority on Mexican culture (and this is specifically the culture IN Mexico, not Mexican-American/mestizo/Tejano culture, which is a product of American and Latino cultural interaction).
Even if your grandparents are from Japan, you’re still only receiving the culture secondhand, and the way you perceive/experience it as a second generation American of Japanese descent (who lives in America or at best only spends some time in Japan) is going to be different than a native Japanese person living in Japan.
I’d say that living in Japan (whether in adulthood or switching back and forth) for a significant period of time is enough to be a reliable source on their culture. People like Gaijin Goombah on YouTube have shared some interesting culture through their videos, for example. But even then, GG can’t really claim to have the same experiences as/speak for Japanese people, especially since in a fairly xenophobic/racist society as Japan is, your experience as a foreigner or tourist is going to have you be treated very differently from native Japanese people. From what I’ve heard from @cheshireinthemiddle , not even being racially Japanese is enough to keep native Japanese people from noticing that an Asian person is partially/noticeably American.
The point I’m getting at is that, SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE– where I might add that the person retweeting that commentary seems to be neither Asian nor Japanese by their icon– born and raised Americans have no business telling native Japanese people how to treat their own culture or who to share it with. The idea that mere genetics is enough to make you some kind of arbiter of social exchange is laughable.
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