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New sideblog! Wanted somewhere to post pro-fiction things to decongest my main blog as well as have a mostly SFW blog for this kind of discussion.
Main blog: drinksglue (18+ only!)
Interaction by people under 18 is okay on this sideblog, but please do not follow my main blog. Thank you!
This blog will be for anything that is pro-ship/pro-fiction/comship friendly. Some posts will be serious, others not, so mind tags and blacklist as necessary!
Princess Twilight Sparkle stimboard with witchcraft, stars, galaxies, and spacecore ☽ - ✰ - ☾☽ - ✰ - ☾ ☽ - ✰ - ☾
ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭* ੈ♡‧₊˚ for queerplatonic partner!
Conservatives when a store sells rainbow colored shirts: “we should 🔥 down the store for selling [insert slur/dogwhistle here] shit!”
Antis when a store sells a shirt of the boyfriends poly comic which is created by a gay trans man of color: “we should 🔥 down the store for selling [insert slur/dogwhistle here] shit!”
I’m trying to see the difference between both groups
👀👀👀👀
Well now I want that shirt
This is like the sheith shirt thing all over again
Fandom Problem #4249:
I hate when people try to act like they're "above" the discourse when they say stuff like "I'm not proship or anti I'm an adult with a job lmao" Like I think we should all be concerned at how comfortable people have become with wantonly slinging around accusations of pedophilia, advocating in favor of censorship and violently threatening people who disagree with them, and this sort of behavior is being celebrated and encouraged. Especially when book bannings are increasing and LGBT literature is being considered "grooming material", these people really should consider who it is they're actually helping here.
"Critical thinking" is one thing, but the dedication they have to seeking out ANY aspect they can latch on to purposely misunderstand be angry about in every single thing they read or watch is seriously going to do a number on their mental health as well, and not to arm chair diagnose but it comes off as a form of obsessive compulsive thinking. There are ALREADY kids that are terrified that they're secretly evil because they like the "wrong" character or read the "wrong" type of fanfic.
As an adult with a job (two, in fact) I am VERY concerned about the type of future they're advocating for, where only the most sanitized art is allowed to exist because no one trusts each other to ACTUALLY think critically, i.e. be able to make their own decisions regarding the types of art they're able to view "ethically" (because newsflash, conforming to the loudest / majority / most aggressive opinions due to being scared shitless of the backlash that would come about if you dared to express a conflicting opinion, IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT "CRITICAL THINKING" IS!)
“irredeemable media” “children cartoons”
How tf are kids media and genuinely important literature irredeemable
Like it was a joke that antis would do the whole “this is problematic ( it’s explaining racism ) so you shouldn’t read it”
There's most definitely an undeniable link between "antis" and the mindset behind book banning.
I HATE IT HERE I HATE IT HERE I HATE IT HERE YOU CAN"T GO FIND SECOND WITHOUT SEEING SOMEONE GO "ewwwwwww people make NSFW of the characters DX and they think it's OKAY because-" IM GOING TO KILL YOU DO NOT PRETEND YOU'RE NOT PRO-LGBT OR WWHATEVER WHEN YOU CAN"T HANDLE PEOPLE EXPRESSING SEXUALITY AT FUCKING ALL
[ID: a snippet of a Tumblr post reading:
the thing that made me create this account, though, was when i wrote a fma 03 fic last year and i included a tag that said "elricests and royeds have no rights and should rot". someone reported me to ao3 and they accused me of harassment, and hid my work until i got rid of the tag. i refused and posted a very heated rant against ao3, which finally got me suspended for months.
Ao3 is so mean guys :(( they hid my fics and suspended me when I said that elricest and royed shippers should have no rights and fucking rot 🥺🥺 poor me 🥺🥺🥺😭😭
Seriously though, what the fuck?! Imagine playing the victim in this situation. Imagine getting pissy that the website made by and for proshippers is not taking kindly to fantis literally saying that REAL PEOPLE should have no rights and rot. Do.. do you know who you sound like, saying that shit?!
Your F/O's love for you is unconditional. They would follow you to the ends of the earth! They would cross the ocean and climb mountains for you, they just love you that much.
A New History of Fandom Purges
On November 24th, 2018, I posted a list of major deletions of sites or of content on sites that stripped fandom of its history. A bunch of pro-shipper blogs had just been deleted, and people were nervous. I suppose I was thinking “All this has happened before…”
On December 3rd, 2018, Tumblr’s Department of Irony announced the NSFW ban. Thanks for providing this salutary lesson to The Youth and a billion reblogs to me, I guess.
Today, we have AO3 for writing. Audio, images, and video are in as much danger as ever, yet fans attack AO3 every donation drive. For those of you who forget our past…
HERE IS WHAT HISTORY HAS TAUGHT US!
1992 - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro forces a zine to be destroyed
1995 - Viacom/Paramount goes after fansites
1995 - Anne Rice gets IWTV fic deleted everywhere
1997 - Fox and Lucasfilm go after fansites
1998 - AOL goes after X-Files fansites
2000 - Warner Brothers goes after Harry Potter fansites
2000 - Anne Rice anne rices again
2001 - Tripod Massacre
2001 - Anne Rice goes after IWTV fic on FFN
2001 - The Bronze shut down as Buffy changes networks
2002 - FFN bans porn
2002 - FFN bans RPF
2003 - Gryffindor Tower implodes
2004 - FFN bans script format
2005 - FFN bans CYOA, Readerfic, 2nd person, Songfic
2005 - Sheezyart bans adult content; y!gallery founded
2005 - Viacom/Paramount goes after fansites again
2006 - Sakura Lemon Archive suddenly closes
2007 - Strikethrough, Boldthrough on Livejournal
2007 - Youtube institutes Content ID, deleting many fanvids
2008 - Slash Cotillion closes, taking much historical m/m with it
2009 - GeoCities shuts down, taking old fannish websites
2009 - Greatestjournal shuts down; RPGs deleted
2009 - Marvel gets scans_daily deleted
2009 - imeem, major vidding hub, closes suddenly
2010 - FFN forums purged for inactivity
2010 - DeviantArt purges adult fanfic
2010 - Literate Union goes after Twilight fandom on FFN
2011 - Delicious destroyed by Yahoo’s incompetence
2011 - China arrests women for writing m/m; destroys danmei.org
2012 - major FFN crackdown on porn
2012 - Megaupload deleted for piracy; also destroys vids, podfic
2013 - Max-Dan-Wiz.com purged of fan-generated content
2014 - Quizilla shuts down
2014 - China purges m/m story websites; arrests female authors
2014 - Blip.tv deletes vids
2014 - Viddler deletes vids
2015 - Journalfen’s servers become fully robust, deleting Fandom Wank
2016 - y!Gallery deleted
2016 - Elfwood goes offline
2016 - Audiofic Archive corrupted; major blow to podfic
2017 - Chinese author jailed after being ratted out over fandom drama
2017 - Parents get queer Warrior Cats fic purged from Wattpad
2018 - Tumblr deletes pro-shipper blogs
2018 - Tumblr announces NSFW ban
2018 - Wattpad deletes accounts/fics without warning
2019 - China purges weibo of m/m; more women jailed
This is only a small taste of the many times that:
Fannish moderators got bored, ran out of money, or had a falling out, deleting a site/list/forum along the way.
Sites got bought out and closed for being unprofitable.
Fandom got hit as governments targeted piracy or political dissidents.
Fans grudge reported each other.
Official forums got deleted when the canon finished.
It’s not always malicious. It’s not always about us. But we lose every time.
Some of these purges hit everyone. Many of them hit m/m content specifically or female gaze-y material in general. This is why antis are dead wrong. This is why anti-fujoshi policies end up being anti-m/m policies. This is why we need clear labeling, not content restrictions.
This is why we need AO3.
And it’s why we need a solution for audio, visuals, and video too.
So grateful for the historical memory and the long view on a phenomenon many of us have come to late, and/or take for granted.
And this is why AO3 generates twice its goal amount in just a few days: they are irreplaceable.
I’m gonna assume that all the other sites before AO3 allowed slavery fics and pedo shit and Nazi fics and racist ass fics and shit as well and never fixed it, like AO3. They need to fix that shit and ban it if they wanna be great. Asking for donations and not taking a stance to fix that shit don’t sit well with me.
This is a strong argument for multiple archives.
AO3 itself was set up to be a safe haven for even the most repulsive fic. (And, yes, we very much thought in those terms. A test case I brought up while we were writing the TOS was that rpf snuff porn by male authors about female celebrities. Ughhh.)
Protecting vile fanfic is central to what AO3 is. It would have to abandon its mission to be the archive you want.
I personally support this stance on content because the more restrictive archives of the past (which is most of them) did not effectively keep out anything I hate, but they did regularly go after content I want to protect. Even very reasonable “no gross stuff” policies get twisted back on the most vulnerable people and the most #ownvoices content.
But that’s no reason for AO3 to be the only archive or the only valid content policy.
Many archives of the past had mods vetting all fic, whether for content or quality. Many archives took moral stances on underage fic. I can’t think of a single instance of one explicitly trying to be a safe space for fans of color though, unfortunately.
The archive you want is valid, but it’s not AO3.
olderthannetfic: here’s a huge list of the history of fandom purges that have happened and are continuing to happen. purges almost always harm minorities first. AO3 was set up so that it could be a place where no purge ever occurred again.
lady-knuckles: AO3 needs a good purging.
We: y'all remember Fahrenheit 451?
They: omg yes what an inspiration
^^^ this has literally been said in actual [slightly less obvious and slightly more gaslighty] words by actual antis, if anyone thought that was sarcastic.
For real. We’re in the dark timeline.
Is it me or are they focusing on female fanfiction?
The people getting things deleted or me and the commenters?
In general, yes, women’s art is attacked more frequently. You see that in all types of art, high and low, fic and original. I’m sure some of the people advocating censorship are especially upset by fic because they expect women to produce didactic, clean art.
But as for why there’s an overall focus on women, it’s because fic is mostly written by women.
There are some male-heavy spaces like Spacebattles or FIMFiction, but they are the exception, and they don’t change the overall trend in fic fandom. The most relevant data we have on fic writers is probably the following:
FFN Research’s 2010 survey of new user accounts on Fanfiction.net shows:
78% female
22% male
Centrumlumina’s AO3 Census shows:
80% female
4% male
6% genderqueer
Reddit’s r/Fanfiction’s latest survey shows:
65% female
26% male
2.7% genderfluid
Bear in mind that Reddit is famously guy-centric, and their fic space is still way more than half women. The AO3 numbers are probably more representative of fic fandom on Tumblr.
So, yes, there tends to be a female focus in discussions like this on Tumblr.
Hate when antis say you can’t use dark fiction to cope. It’s ableist as fuck tbh, and they don’t realize or care to comprehend that fact.
It’s always “Protect trauma survivors” and “encourage healing” until it’s something they don’t agree with. “*gasp* you can’t cope with your trauma like that! It gross and makes me feel icky!”
Healing from past trauma isn’t supposed to be pretty, it’s not about what make you comfortable. It’s about what works for a victim and that’s it. Don’t like it? Then don’t engage. You don’t get to dictate what a disabled person can and can’t do if it doesn’t actively hurt people.
I was an anti for a long while. Then I joined a server for a series I love, and I was very close to the whole group by the time I found out the owner, one of the few people to ever make me feel welcomed in a community, was a pro shipper. As were most of the people in the server. It wasn't a pro ship server, and it's still not, but it made me realize that if all of these people were pro ship maybe it wasn't as bad as I had been lead to believe.
Before this all of the groups I was in were very openly anti, and I felt like I was forced to walk on eggshells and punish myself for innocent things. I had been called out and told I was a horrible person by some of those groups because I didn't go by popular HC and therefore I made "problematic" fics. I was ran off of tumblr for a time by a harassment campaign and I believed I deserved it.
I'm still, 2 years later, unlearning some of the fear from that time, but I feel so much better now. I hope more antis get to experience this too. This freedom and comfort.
I also hope more pro shippers are out there, willing to let someone take baby steps into their space so that they can learn and grow safely, the way I did.
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Antis: we are good!!
Also them:
I'm not gonna cw this one just because Raven/Barley is. such a common ship that it doesn't really feel necessary?? But lemme know if it should be censored and I might change it
pedophilia is when two teenagers with a one-year age gap
Feeling a little aggressive today so I'm gonna just come right out and say it
If you say you're neither pro-ship nor an anti because "both sides are stupid and need to stop", then you are exactly the same kind of person who would support "zero tolerance" policies in schools.
"Pro-ship" and "Anti" aren't two equal ideas on opposing sides. One says harassment over tastes in fiction is always bad, and the other says that people should be bullied for liking "bad" fiction.
One wants to harass people over fictional characters, the other just wants to be left alone. If you think those two things are "equally bad", then I have no doubt that you'd look at a bullying victim defending themselves and go "wow um. can't you both just move on? just stop fighting, idiots"
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