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Follow up on the Northern knights question. Would it have made sense for the North to have a layer of nobility that is effectively a knight without the religious significance?
I believe that's what masterly houses are - they're landed knights under a new name.
-SLAL
This is a really interesting question to me because being a knight isn't just being an armored, mounted lance; it confers legal and social privileges even without the land. The only reason Ser Duncan is able to insist on a trial by combat, for example, is because he is a knight and not just some common scum; knights have rights the commoners do not.
There's a lot of philosophy built around that, of course, and people believe it, but the ultimate practical reality of it is "this is a society ruled by the warrior aristocracy, who want being a member of said warrior aristocracy to convey special rights and privileges."
So in the absence of knighthood, the question of "how WOULD the north convey those special rights and privileges to the lower echelons of that class" is interesting.
Masterly Houses manage that for the middle ranks of the warrior aristocracy, people who hold land, but not for the lower ranks. In the south, if you are the household knight of a lord, or even a hedge knight, you still carry the rights and privileges of knighthood with you wherever you go without holding land. How would those privileges be conveyed to the equivalent of a household knight serving, say, House Karstark? You worship the Old Gods. You are not a knight and will never be one. But you have a horse and armor and a sword, and probably want special rights that the peasant scum laboring in the fields don't get. Your heavily armed and armored buddies also probably want that. In the south, you'd be a knight, and that's how you get those rights. What does the north provide for you instead?
Martin seems to sort of punt on this topic whenever it comes up. Rodrik Cassel, for example, isn't just some armed guy on retainer to the Starks; he is SER Rodrik Cassel, an anointed knight, like you'd have in the south.
Agreed. I would imagine the North would have had privileges that certain lords maintain as befits their rank, probably stemming from clan chieftains and their sworn companions in mead halls to the more formalized and structured feudal tenancy as the generations went on. They were probably structured into something very similar to southron knighthoods under the Jaehaerysian legal consolidation. But I'd imagine the knighthood name, with its Faith connotations, would not have the same name.
Actually, the North does have knights like the other kingdoms.
Ser Bartimus of White Harbor, for example, is lowly knight in charge of Manderly's jail, but he worships the Old Gods.
We're talking more about in earlier eras. How did the Old Gods essentially project status. While lordships and governance of land would have certainly sprouted up, how would warriors, not necessarily the aristocratic elites but warriors that form an essential rung on the social ladder, demonstrate their status. It could be something as simple as wearing livery. There might be formal ritual, blood brother type ceremonies of swearing to service complete with tokens displayed that would convey status.
-SLAL
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"But...if you don't believe we can find Kelsingra, if you never believed we could find Kelsingra, why did you undertake this expedition?"
He looked at her then, full in her gray-green eyes. "You wanted to go. You wanted me to go. It was a way to be with you, even if only for a time." Her heart was in her eyes as he spoke those words. He looked aside from her. "That was what decided me. Before, when I first heard of it, I thought to myself, 'Well, there's a mission for a madman. Small chance of success, and so I'll bet they pay accordingly.' A chunk of money up front, and a big promise of lots more 'when all is done.’ And a good adventure along the way. There isn't a man on the river who doesn't wonder where it comes from. Here was a chance to find out. And I've always been a bit of a gambler. Everyone who works the river plays the odds one way or another. So I took the bet."
He dared himself and took his own wager. Her hands were resting on the railing next to his. He lifted his hand and set it down gently upon hers. The effect on him was almost convulsive. A shiver ran over his body. Her hand was trapped under his and beneath her touch, there was Tarman. A thought floated through his mind. The whole of everything I want in this world is i here, under my hand.
wow. i know he’s still keeping that secret about poaching dragon parts, but leftrin is remarkably open about loving and desiring alise. it’s so refreshing to see in a series full of emotionally constipated drama queens.
i don’t care if it hurts. i wanna have control
i love unrequited parent/child dynamics. it’s so desperately sad
post-post clarity when you're looking at your post on the dash like who gives a fuck. delete
most likely fate of helaena’s baby?
miscarriage/stillbirth
abortion
infanticide
other
Rhaena and Elissa riding Dreamfyre
i love false prophets and pretenders
fun character types
character who is not allowed to kill themself
related: suicidal character who physically can't kill themself
alive character who has successfully committed suicide
character who hasn't died but has committed thematic suicide of the Self
character who thinks they're suffering karmic punishment for killing/trying to kill themself
when you have a hammer everything looks like a guy you could kill with a hammer
Is your first name canon in asoiaf
Yes
No
Sort of (spelled differently, etc.)
Here’s the character list on the wiki for reference
I need a Gwayne diary of Oldtown Daily.
i think the writers decided long ago that the only people allowed to have bastards are rhaenyra, corlys, and maybe (probably) aegon ii, so as much as i love drama and adultery i don’t believe they will alter the paternity of alicent jr or maelor the moderately postponed.
Her arm was all gooseflesh, clammy and chilled, but she was strong, and gentler than he would have thought. Gentler than Cersei, he thought as she helped him from the tub...
Diagrams from The Barber's Manual, A. B. Moler (1931)