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you ever see someones posts and can tell they send anon hate
that, and
tracked down that post because i had to know what would so clearly give off that specific vibe and and the referent comment is… exactly what you’d write given the above comment as a Jeopardy question
not to go off but as a queer person i have literally never shipped a single m/m or f/f pairing solely because it was “representation” and i feel good in betting that most other queer people in fandom haven’t either.
i ship characters who have interesting dynamics in canon. i ship characters who i think would have interesting dynamics if they’d ever met in canon or had their relationship develop differently. i ship characters because i’m interested in how they would interact if they were in this universe rather than that one, if they had this background rather than their canon one, if they’d met in another way than they did in canon. i even ship characters because – gaspshockhorror – i think they’d be hot together and i want to read about them fucking because contrary to current opinion in some corners of fandom, getting turned on by fiction and doing something as nasty as masturbating to it is not a hetero exclusive activity.
i ship a lot of things for a lot of reasons but none of those reasons has ever been “i ship it because it’s gay and only because it’s gay because i like seeing other gays in fiction and there is nothing about this pairing or these characters beyond their gayness that appeals to me” and the idea that that is the motivation for why most queer people ship what we ship is just…extremely outlandish to me, just like y’all’s fake woke fandom posts stating that “queer people like queer ships for representation and straight people only like them for shallow reasons” wherein liking a ship for any reason other than it being Rep is ‘shallow’ is also outlandish.
people have a lot of motivations for shipping certain pairings and your average queer person’s motivation is usually not that different from your average straight person’s motivation because people in general are not actually that different, regardless of what their sexuality is. sometimes that motivation is deep enough to write long-ass essays over, sometimes it literally just boils down to “this one is BIG and the other one isn’t and it would be hot if the big one crushed the other one with their pelvis”, but rarely ever is someone’s motivation for shipping 100% ONLY about the character’s sexuality and nothing else about them or their (potential or canon) relationship. nobody would ship two pieces of cardboard just because i wrote the word ‘gay’ down on both of them and likewise, most of us are not shipping characters solely because the ship is queer with no thought to those characters’ personalities or dynamics whatsoever.
This image told me to kill myself over shipping
NOMAPs when told that their attraction needs psychological attention and help: I’m a PROUD NOMAP I would NEVER offend I am DISGUSTED that you would think that. In FACT I am a CHILD ADVOCATE.
NOMAPs when a MAP comes around saying they wanna fuck kids:
to all the antis in the tag
why. do people get off on writing traumatizing events happening to their ocs
why cant you just say “yeah i enjoy developing my ocs’ backstories” or “its fun coming up with their lore” instead of being freaks who talk about how fuuun it is to abuse your ocs n how you just loooove making em into bloody messes
like its not cute
i dont know how to make this clearer but that comics like this:
are fucking everywhere on tumblr and always have like 50k notes is terrifying. yall get a hobby and stop n*tting over trauma n abuse its weird n youre Not off the hook for being the character creator if youre gonna act like THIS about it
almost 100% the time it’s the creator projecting their own trauma on their ocs and it’s actually painfully obvious that that’s the case…
Actually it’s also just people writing what the hell they want a lot of the time and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Also the comic example here is clearly a style of exaggeration to make something funny out of a relatable experience that’s developed over years of talking about it in a certain way; in most people’s cases, the relatable experience is creating drama and development through anything from tragic back stories to traumatic events.
If you go back a couple years on tumblr, you’d actually find posts discussing why so many people wanted to create sad, dark, or painful stories for their characters, and why they were always put through such horrible things (and why everyone seemed to ready to do it.)
Some people said they did it to explore their own experiences. Some people did it because it was a way to explore those themes they were unfamiliar with in a completely fictional world. I think overwhelmingly, people agreed it gave characters a lot more depth, ability to be empathized with, and attachment. It fosters protective feelings in people to see characters go through bad experiences.
In any case, there was a shift in how OC treatment (and character treatment in fandom as well,) was viewed and talked about. People went from “I’m about to make my fav go through something bad bc I love him and it’ll make him into the character I love” (or something similar, you get my drift,) to funny posts like the ones above, because among creators there was and is an understanding of how we all tend to do that to them, and its making a joke from it because you don’t get noticed by being the nth person to make the same ~relatable post~ again, you do it by taking something relatable and making it new and funny (welcome to tumblr.)
But I guess it’s more edgy to completely ignore the language development that’s pretty consistent with the dramatic escalation EVERYTHING gets spoken about on here (basically the “cultural subtext,”) to call people freaks in order to participate in callout culture and feel superior in some way, so good for you I guess?????
Writer/roleplayer jokes and character development is are problematic now I guess.
Stories have conflict in them Karen
Do the initial posters live under a rock, or????
How exciting, now people are telling us how to write and talk about our own ocs! Not only must you fic in certain approved ways. Woth approved characters and ships, but now your original stuff must also pass muster.
I’d say tumblr makes me long for death but I expect soon there will be posts about how stating one wants to die/be killed needs to stop too.
I’m sorry, let’s go back to Storytelling 101 where we learn that conflict is necessary. Whether that means the characters are being chased around and/or eaten by dinosaurs, snapped out of existence by some purple alien asshole, suffering a long and miserable journey to the heart of a volcano where they have their finger bitten off, losing their parents and an entire school of friends and mentors to a pissed-off wizard without a nose, or coping with drug addiction and/or an abusive relationship (obvs the most relatable out of these options) CONFLICT IS NECESSARY!
We (meaning fandom creators but also mainstream creators, see above) use conflict as a medium to tell a story. No successful book has ever been like, “These cool people existed, everything was fine and they lived happily ever after the end.”
And anyway, they’re fictional, so why does OP even care?
Just Anti Things: conflict is abusive, actually
Is Sheith [ShiroxKeith] a problematic ship ?
Due to the misinformations and lies some Antis seem to be spreading around.
I wrote this fact-check article about sheith.
Is Sheith [ShiroxKeith] a Problematic Ship ?
[ Tw mention : Pedophilia, incest, child abuse ]
Many people [antis] went ahead and painted the ship between Shiro former leader of voltron currently captain of the Atlas and Keith the former red paladin and current black paladins and leader of voltron
A problematic [pedophilic/incestuous] ship.
And that leads us to the question, is it really a pedophilic/incestuous ship ?
• “ Sheith is a pedophilic ship ”
“ Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children or generally children under the age of 13.”
Considering the fact Keith’s age was [18] on season 1, [19] on season 5 and currently [21] on season 6/7 while Shiro is [25] that leaves them with only a 4 years age gap.
So No, it’s not and was never a pedophilic ship by any interpretation of the word as it’s a ship between two legal consenting adults.
• “ Sheith normalize pedophilia cause Shiro met Keith when he was 12! while he was an adult! ”
This is a very common headcanon going around and it’s both timeline inaccurate and wrong.
Shiro and Keith originally had a 6 years age gap.
And JDS described Shiro then as a young adult in his late teens/early twenties pre-kerberos mission.
Shiro met Keith when Keith was around [15/16] not [12].
Keith was as old as pidge when he enrolled into the Galaxy Garrison, a military related space academy that can be considered a military high school and it uses military cadet education it’s most likely does not recruit elementary or middle school children. ( or generally children below the age of 14 ) .
While Shiro was around the age [21/22]
Their relationship pre-kreb was a purely platonic relationship and Shiro was in a full committed relationship on his way to marriage with his s/o then Adam.
• “ Sheith is harmful and homophobic cause it paints Shiro a canonically gay man as a predator
• “sheith is grooming ”
Again, Shiro was in a fully committed relationship on his way to marriage with his significant other Adam pre-kerberos mission so he is not by any means a predator.
“Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child’s inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.”
Shiro’s relationship with Keith pre-kreb was a purely platonic relationship with no harmful intents as Shiro simply saw a great potential in a very talented disciplinary case “Keith” who simply needed a bit of guidance.
It is by no means “grooming”.
• “ sheith is incest! They are literally brothers ”
“ Incest /ˈɪnsɛst/ is sexual activity between family members or close relatives. This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity, stepfamily, those related by adoption or marriage ”
It was confirmed by the creators that Keith and Shiro are not related by blood or even adoption or in anyway.
Since they are not related in anyway way.
No, it’s not an incestuous ship.
• “ Shiro adopted Keith !”
• “ Shiro raised Keith ! ”
Is yet another very common headcanon going around. That was not confirmed, mentioned or even hinted on. And was dismissed by the staff.
Aside from the fact you can not adopt a brother, and need to be at least 25 and and healthy since life terminal illness could disqualify you from being an adoptive parent.
Pre-kreb Shiro an unmarried young adult [21/22] with a chronicle muscle disorder and only 3 active years left in his life that he was going to spend them on the Kerberos mission could not have adopt a 15 years old.
Befriending someone younger than you is not equivalent to raising them, Shiro did not raise Keith and they only known each other for only 2 years or so before Shiro took off for the Kerberos mission.
Approximately 2 years are by no means enough time to “raise” someone.
• “ Keith called Shiro his brother several times! It’s incest”
“Shiro you are like a brother to me”
“you are my brother”
Calling someone that is not related to you “your brother” does not make them automatically your sibling.
Many people refer to their best friends as their brother/sister, and that does not mean any future relationship is labeled incest since they are not related and feelings and emotions indeed evolve and are subjected to change.
That aside, the creators never referred to them as brothers but rather as “best friends” and on the other hand that staff said “the brother line is not literal, and not as important as the way it is being said.”
Josh Hamilton went on to state the “you’re my brother” line was equivalent to Keith saying “you’re everything to me”.
• “Sheith is problematic and unhealthy cause it’s power imbalance”
“A power imbalance is the attempt by the perpetrator(s) to use observed or perceived personal or situational characteristics to exert control over the targeted youth’s behavior or limit the victim’s ability to respond or stop their aggression.”
Shiro has not ever harmed or pressured Keith, but rather always vouched for him and his abilities, even believed in him and wanted him to be his successor to lead voltron as the black paladin.
Shiro is currently the capital of the Atlas while Keith is the leader of voltron and the black paladin, and he displayed obvious confident leading actions and qualities during season 7. So we can safely say they are on an equal footing.
Processing all the facts mentioned above, we can safely say Sheith is NOT a problematic ship. And it’s not and was never pedophilic or incestuous.
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Y'all when we say “Finally, tumblr can get rid of the True Crime Community” we don’t mean the people who like to read and learn about serial killers and watch shit like forensic files, I promise.
We mean the sick fuckos who thirst over actual real life murderers, and the ones who post and send gore to anyone who calls them out for being fucking disgusting people.
This has been a problem on tumblr since I first joined back in like…2009/2010. Seriously I can’t wait for these sick shits to get kicked out.
Can we get rid of pedophiles, also?
Yes, those sick fuckos too
We also need to get rid of the asshole anons who tell people to kill themselves.
Death threat anons and doxxers get the boot too
Abusers fuck off
I hate MAPs but as someone who used to run a dedicated anti-MAP blog I can tell you a safe 97% of dedicated anti blogs are toxic as hell for completely different
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-sitting in a rocking chair- Back in MY day we didn’t call that “aging up a character” we called that “trying to excuse your weird pedophilic ship”
^^^ !!!
Hi, I’m older than most of you and I don’t remember that at all.
Y’all are gonna have to help me out, here. Because no, I do not see the problem. Everybody in, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender is like 12-16 and in relationships by the end of it. Like many people in reality tend to be. I don’t, personally, have any interest in reading or writing anything explicit about that time period in their lives. However, they did, canonically, GO ON TO HAVE WHOLE ADULT LIVES TOGETHER. What on earth is weird about speculating on and writing that?
We have freaking Little Women fandom speculation from just after the first volume came out. People were pairing Jo and Laurie off, for the most part, as well they should have. Were they old enough by that time in the story to marry? No! But people still thought about their future. So what?
Please shut up you dense sack of bricks I’m literally talking about people who age up children in order to ship them with adults Jesus fucking christ
Given what people call “pedophilia” these days, you might have considered being more clear. If there’s a fundamental communication breakdown between people on your side of this disagreement and mine then we should clear that up instead of what you actually did just now.
Look, is everybody in a fic portrayed as being of consenting age? And you’re still calling it pedophilia? Could you please reserve words of that level of seriousness for the things they actually describe?
You are trivializing the pain of actual humans because people are having fun in a way you don’t approve of. Not to mention, the high percentage of QUILTBAG in fandom spaces leads all unfounded accusations of this nature to be suspect, inherently. There’s a history behind that. It’s ugly.
OP, have you considered the people are aging them up because they think the personalities together would be interesting but they DON’T want to write pedophilia? Basically, acting like it’s actually more creepy is stupid. It’s also nowhere near comparable to committing child rape in real life.
That’s actually literally why they do it.
If they were actually attracted to them because they are kids they wouldn’t age up their characters, draw art of them older, and write fanfics saying and describing them as being actually older physical versions of themselves with the same personality but more mature.
It’s the literal exact opposite of pedophilia because a pedophile isn’t interested in a child when they become an adult. They are attracted to KIDS not ADULTS. Why would they age up a child to an adult body and personality if they like them because of their younger age. That does not make any sense.
If you say “oh it’s to protect from the anti movement” then how does that actually protect them considering y’all are still pissy about it and have made it very clear that antis think age ups are still somehow pedophilia. The age up doesn’t even get you off their backs so the other most obvious real reason why people age up characters must be it. They liked the character as a person and aren’t interested in them as a child or young teen so they want to see that personality as an adult with more maturity.
I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for people to grasp?!?? Pedophiles aren’t attracted to 18+ people. Not their MO. Read a dictionary and go outside.
Also, what about X Years Later AUs where BOTH characters have been aged up
(pssst… don’t spread it around, but ALL porn involves aged up children… you think those people just popped into existence barely legal?)
OP deactivated, what a surprise.
What a concept
Scientific Breakthrough: Man Discovers “Other Half” of Conversation
This is fucking sad.
instead of saying it’s fucking sad why not celebrate the fact that there’s one less ‘that guy’ in the world. Maybe don’t punish good behavior that you seek out?
*person makes a breakthrough in emotional development and communication they evidently didn’t realize, was never taught, or equipped with before*
Some Dumbass Online: *passive aggressive mockery*
honestly? all y'all should be thankful this dude took THAT lesson from fight club.
didn’t this turn out to be like, a 16 year old kid
Holy shit somebody found an actual good life lesson in fucking Fight Club.
also yeah I’ve been told SEVERAL times at this point this reddit poster said he was 14 or 16 at the time later on in the thread so
go off i guess
People who probably sent death threats because of shipping: heh, imagine taking positive life lessons from media
i would sooner unspool my own testes like balls of yarn with my bare hands than have to see another fucking 20 paragraph essay about how these children’s cartoon makers are fascism supporters because their like 12 year old protagonist doesn’t want to viciously murder a villain
the entitlement this fandom has is absolutely disgusting.
we aren’t owed anything.
we aren’t owed a fantastic story and a fantastic cast and crew working on it.
we aren’t owed their fight to be as inclusive as possible at every step of the way.
we aren’t owed their apologies for doing their fucking jobs just because we feel the miraculous steps they’ve made, small as they are, aren’t enough.
we are owed nothing.
there is nothing but shame attached to this fandom, and we certainly don’t deserve the poise and grace the showrunners, cast and crew, and everyone else involved have shown in dealing with us.
grow the fuck up. learn how to actually push for progress in calm, civilized manners instead of shouting in anger and attacking anyone and everyone. you’re not helping.
log off and go outside. maybe it’ll do you some good.
A show’s cast and crew arriving at a panel: hi we’re here to talk about plot, characters, developments, behind the scenes work, funny stories about production, ideas for the future-
those fucking gremlins that always ask about ships:
Please look at OP’s tags, I’m dying
wait, what?? you can dislike a character without harassing the people who actually love that character???? what??
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