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u can be boiling alive in your mind for months and then on a random tuesday ur head gets so clear and life is worth living again and you're like damn what was all that about then
Could Vox be demiromantic?
It is very canon that Vox is bisexual and we see him directly express sexual attraction to both men (primarily Val but arguably Alastor too) and passively to women (his comments about the backup dancers in his rally in s2e5). It's also very clear that Vox has a lot internalised homophobia about his attraction to men (which likely manifested in life in him turning it into violence but that's a different post) but generally seems very slow to enter romantic relationships.
In life we do not Vincent be close to anyone. Brighter really emphasises Vincent's habit of outsourcing fulfillment to external, mass adoration. We see that from how he is never content with the position he is in and so is always trying to grow his audience but we also see that he's very alone. He literally kicks aside his co-host when he becomes a new anchor and the only person who he has multiple scenes with is his producer that he later murders. Vincent Whittman does not have any strong relationships. It's a quick song obviously, not a full biography but a lot of information is given to the audience through its visuals and I think there is one distinct absence that confirms that Vincent is running solo.
No wedding ring at any point in his life.
Mandatory sidenote: marriage is an amatonormative institution, you do not need to be married in order to be in a long-term, meaningful relationship of any kind, being married does not mean you are in a long-term, meaningful relationship. Marriage is just a form of legal and often religious relationship that can be very fulfilling but is not necessary.
But considering Vincent's time period and how image obsessed he is, it's unusual that he doesn't have a wife. This is a man who changes himself to best fit his positions, someone who stops wearing his glasses for the sake of his image. He cares very much how he is perceived and wants to be idolised. He wants to live that story of success. The 40s and 50s were extremely heteronormative, this was the time of the lavender scare, it would complete the picture perfect life he wants to project, so why no marriage?
Vincent doesn't seem to allow himself to be emotionally close with anyone in any form during his life and he doesn't seem to have interest in romantic relationships.
This is contrasted by Vox in Hell where we see him display romantic attraction towards two people, Alastor and Valentino
Let's examine both of these relationships.
In the disastrous business proposal, we know from Vivziepop's interview that Vox was being sincere in his offer of an equal partnership and that he was being emotionally vulnerable in a way he'd never really allowed himself to be before. Which goes terribly for him.
The outcome is less interesting for this discussion than what proceeds it. Vox says "we've been close for a few years now, right" and later describes them as being friends. From Vox's perspective he and Alastor had been friends for multiple years before he made his proposal--a proposal that many fans have compared to a romantic proposal-- it took him years to get to the point where he wanted to make that move, where he wanted a partnership.
Now, onto Valentino. The iconic
tells us so, so much. Vox and Valentino have been operating as partners for decades. Given Vox's fondness for the ambiguity of the term partners we don't know the timeline on their romantic or sexual relationship but I really want to stress the decades part of their dynamic. The current dynamic Vox and Valentino enjoy took decades to develop.
Valentino is someone who is very free with his sexual attraction and seems to be quite quick with his romantic attraction to (but we need more info about his and Angel Dust's history to be certain about that). Doubtless, the reason Vox is squirrelly about openly calling Valentino his romantic partner now is the internalised homophobia but I don't think that precludes the idea that it took some time for Vox to be romantically interested in Val.
Given the fact that Vox proposed a business partnership to Alastor and then entered into a business partnership with Valentino, I think it's likely that Vox's approach to Valentino was similar to his with Alastor; leading in with a business relationship to develop into something romantic.
In review, in life Vincent had no close emotional relationships with anyone and seemingly never had any romantic partners. In death, Vox has had three close relationships (Alastor, Valentino, and Velvette) and has had romantic feelings for two of three. He knew Alastor and Valentino for 'years' and 'decades' respectively before having a romantic dynamic with them.
I think it's very possible that Vox is a demiromantic bisexual. He feels sexual attraction in an allosexual way but will only feel romantic attraction if he already has a strong relationship with the other--seemingly for years beforehand.
Valentino writing tips: language
I’m not an expert by any means, but I thought I might provide some insight into how I, personally, handle the nasty moth's dialogue.
Like all languages, Spanish is highly regional. We don’t really know Val’s actual background as a Sinner, so your guess is as good as mine. Given his VA is Puerto Rican, however, I write Valentino as someone who speaks Caribbean Spanish (like me!). The three Spanish-speaking countries/territories in the Caribbean are: Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba. I'm not familiar with Cuban Spanish, so we'll focus on the first two for now.
Some of these are more specific to one place than the other, but I’m mushing them together for simplicity’s sake (don't come at me).
Fun quirks of Dominican and Puerto Rican Spanish:
A habit of shortening words, like “ven pa’ca” (“come here”) instead of “ven para acá.” We frequently eat the letters “r,” “s” or “d” toward or at the end of some words.
Pronouncing “r” as “l” in some words.
Pronouncing “t” as a soft sound between a “th” and a “d.” Although this voice has a Spanish (from Spain) cadence, you can hear the modified “t” sound in “Valentino” here.
Fun Dominican and Puerto Rican words and phrases:
“Coño” as a casual curse, typically used as an expression of frustration (like “fuck!”). My username is basically a really intense version of coño, and is a very Dominican phrase.
“Diablo,” which means “devil,” is also commonly used as an exclamation.
“Hijo de la gran puta,” a classic that roughly parallels "son of a bitch," but literally translates to “son of a great whore.”
“Papi” or “papi chulo” (“cute daddy”) as a term of affection. “Papito” is the diminutive version of this phrase.
On that note, you can add “ito” to the end of just about anything to make it a diminutive (cutesy/smaller version). “Chulo” means cute, for example. “Chulito” is the even more affectionate/smaller version of that.
“Dique,” which is used to express doubt. Vox might say, “I am not obsessed with Alastor!” Valentino might mutter “diiiique” in response. This is a Dominican thing.
“Wepa,” which is something usually shouted in excitement. This is a Puerto Rican thing.
“Vaina,” which kind of means “thing,” often with a negative connotation. So, Valentino might look at one of Velvette’s designs, find it hideous, and say, “que vaina más fea, oof” (“what an ugly thing, oof”).
“Fó,” which is sort of “ew” or “gross,” usually re: bad smells. You shout it.
“Mano,” short for “hermano” (“brother”). Used between friends.
“Dímelo” (“tell me”) as a greeting. Something that would be said when answering the phone, for example.
“Cojer” as a means of saying “to take,” like taking something from a table. This word has a very different context in other regions. In Mexico, for example, the verb “cojer” is vulgar and means “to fuck.”
“Ahorita,” which in my experience means “later.” In other regions, it can mean “right now” or “later” depending on context.
Commonly used phrases in Mexican Spanish.
You’ll want to avoid these if you’d like his dialogue to be consistently Caribbean-inspired:
“Pinche”
“Verga”
“Wey”
“No mames/no manches”
“Qué padre”
“Chingar”
Calling acquaintances “primo” or “jefe”
I mention this Spanish dialect specifically because it's the most common one in the world. And hey, Val could be canonically Mexican or Mexican in your headcanon! That's cool, too. I'm just providing insight for consistency's sake.
Other insight:
“Ay dios mío!” is a generally overused phrase, in my opinion, and not actually said IRL as frequently as TV makes it seem. Just my experience, though.
“Ay” or “uy” are good filler sounds. You hear Val shout it when Niffty snaps at him.
Valentino canonically squeaks like a moth when passionate!
His voice takes on an echo/growl when he’s particularly angry.
Mixing English and Spanish is tricky. Spanglish is not uncommon in PR, DR, and the US, but usually only when speaking with someone else who is fluent in both languages. Valentino seems plenty fluent in English; he uses lots of contractions, complex sentence structure, and slang. He doesn’t need to inject Spanish phrases in favor of English ones when conversing with another English speaker. He does do it sometimes for emphasis (“the devil’s princesa” or “this chiquita”).
As cliché as it is, defaulting to a Spanish phrase in moments of alarm, anger, frustration, or affection is also not uncommon if you grew up in a Spanish-speaking home. If someone surprises me, I shout “coño” by default, for example.
Valentino uses pet names when referring to others, like "amorcito" (“little love”) and "Angie" over voicemail.
Generally speaking, Val likes to stretch his vowels to be theatrical ("he mooooved!"). He sometimes eats the ends of English words, like “fuckin’” instead of “fucking.” He also sometimes rolls his “r” for English words, like in “ungrrrateful whore!”
Val's accent isn’t consistently strong, which could be a stylistic choice, or he could just be prone to a kind of unique code switching, for lack of a better term. My friends say I speak English with a Spanish accent when conversing with my family, for example (it’s not intentional).
Okay that’s it, bye!
A few more little snippets of language and culture to add on!
Spanish phrases Joel (VA) has said while playing as or speaking about Valentino:
"Parece mentira" = literally "that seems like a lie" but used more like "I don't believe you" or "that's hard to believe." It's meant to be condescending or imply that something is outrageous.
"Hijo de la gran puta" = literally "son of a great whore," per the original post! This clip is also a good example of Caribbean Spanish's tendency to eat the "s" at the end of words, since he says "eh" instead of "es." And you can hear him say "Valentino" with the modified "t" sound!
More fun phrases:
"Carajo" or "shit."
"Maldita mierda" or "cursed shit." Used like "holy shit" or "fucking shit" in English.
"Querido" or "darling."
Other random fun facts:
Contrary to popular belief, being Latino doesn't mean you automatically have a high tolerance for spicy food. Dominican and Puerto Rican food isn't actually spicy at all, for example. Valentino could easily have a low spice tolerance.
There are no yellow lemons natively in the Dominican Republic, and I believe there aren't any in Cuba either. Puerto Rico does have them, but many might be imports. If Valentino was like me, he was raised on limeade instead of lemonade when he was alive and didn't grow up cooking with lemons.
umm ooc past voxval 💕
You think they ever argue about who is spending more time w Val?
These two staying up late playing old love songs for each other on the piano, singing duets. P.S I am always open for Vincent and Alastor sketch requests :)
once I snorted a fat line of nuance and everything started depending. watch out
he is so open with his disdain, she is so unbothered
idc what anyone says, I think they’re besties
And they’re all right!
Hi can we talk about the way Vox leans into Valentino’s touch here 😭😭
As soon as Val’s finger traces his screen he tilts his head closer to Val.
THEY MAKE ME SICK!!!!
I started out trying to just make Vox memes and they kept turning into radiostatic memes. Read into that as you will
[ID: A tweet by TylerAlterman:
"In the middle of a "forcing party" where friends and I are forcing one another to do the things that we've been avoiding.
So far: [bullet list] A passport has been filed for; An inbox has been zero'd; A personal website has been created; & more.
I recommend this format!"]
call that attending an Executive Function
i think maybe "sapphic yearning" is a kind of false consciousness that justifies one's own continued immiseration
i was once a yearner but at a certain point you have to grow up and let your private, overwrought fantasies confront real love in the real world and put yourself at the mercy of honest dealing with people
Everyone please think about the REAL victim in the radiostatic breakup unu
Genuinely believe that Vox's voice is just about the only thing he actually unambiguously likes about himself. He's aware of how good it sounds, can see how it effects people, and most importantly, he's taken great pains to ensure he knows how to use it to the fullest. It's his most sincere, unassailable skill, his ultimate all-purpose tool, his chosen name and the basis for his entire self-made identity. It's also entirely, undeniably his.
Which is what makes it so much fun that Hell has given him a form that makes his skillful speech buffer and glitch when he's emotional, that warps and distorts his voice until it's hard to listen to, that he can literally be muted. It's like, imagine a guy obsessed with control and curating his image, who has this one thing he clings to as his means of engaging with the world, and then repeatedly rob him of his power over it in the most noticeable way possible. Fucking fantastic, I tell you.