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You will remember this post that we made a while back.
Someone made a response to it, and here it is!
Maybe next time before you leave a reply, darling, you lay off the crack and actually teach yourself how to discern sarcasm.
*SMIRK* Aw. Thatâs cute.
Look at them trying so hard to prove why Molly is the strongest female character in the history of television and not one peep about how John has saved Sherlockâs life on many occasions (including vice versa). Look how cute they are, trying to sound smart. Such darlings. Aw.
Loo blindly defending the ILY scene just because she got to say âI love youâ to Mr. Sophie Cumberbatch is one thing, but thereâs more to unpack here. Johnlockers saying that the scene was wrong is not âabout ship shaming.â Itâs about knowing what was wrong and what shouldâve been done instead. Itâs about standing up for a character who was thrown under the bus for the umpteenth time, and the maniac stans of that character for some reason foaming at the mouth that there are other people who would dare have something to say about their precious. The review is talking about the âunrequited loveâ and is yet another example of how everyone minus tumblr sherlollians is able to recognize the scene for what it is and realize how awful it is. As weâve said 100x here, if the ship was really made canon, it would be clear to every single viewer, not just a handful of shippers trying desperately to prove to everyone that their one interpretation is undeniably right one.
Letâs put ourselves in Molly shoes for a minute.
Thereâs this guy that you like, though you know heâs kind of an asshole and he makes you feel small - like a mouse. You spend years trying to earn his attention - you dress up, do him favors that would get you in trouble, cancel plans with your bf, and do anything he asks. All you get in return are rejections, compliments that come with strings, and attention only when he needs something. He finds out you have feelings for him while heâs in the middle of publicly humiliating you. He always says such horrible things. You tell him so to his face, but it doesnât change how you feel.Â
You help him fake his death when he asks, because at the end of the day, you want to be there when he needs you. He disappears. You date while heâs gone, but your feelings for him remain untouched. You even get engaged to a man that looks and dresses similar to him, but itâs not the same.
When he comes home, he asks you to accompany him on a case. You get your hopes up that heâs finally come around, even though you have a fiance now. The case is fun, but he forgets your name - after all youâve done for him. It hurts a little. He reassures you that youâre not a replacement for his usual partner, but you still take notes and do everything said partner would do because you feel like itâs what he wants. At the end, he congratulates you on your engagement and thanks you for your help. And even though he said you werenât just a replacement, he never asks you to hang out again after heâs made up with his other friend.Â
You tell him about how much sex youâre having with your fiance, just to see his reaction. He doesnât care. You didnât really think he would. He just uncomfortably moves the conversation on to what he really wanted - a favor. As always.Â
You attend his best friendâs wedding and stare daggers at the pretty bridesmaid on his arm. Why does she get his attention so easily when youâve been working for it for years? He throws her the boutonnière without even a second glance at you, and you feel a little stab of hurt. Because you canât help how strongly you still feel for him. And you hate yourself for it. So much, that when you see him leave the wedding clearly upset, you continue dancing instead of making sure heâs okay like you once would have.Â
You find out that heâs relapsed to drugs. Youâre angry. And suddenly, you donât care anymore about always putting on your best face to make him like you. You hit him. He throws your failed engagement in your face (which you knew was doomed to fail the moment he returned from the dead) and you resent him for it.
He comes to your flat in the middle of the night. He needs a place to stay, but insists that he needs your whole bedroom to himself. He needs the space - from you. Like always, whatever he needs, you give it to him. When he goes missing, you are forced to admit you let him do this. Itâs so humiliating you hardly want to admit it.Â
He relapses again months later, and guess who is called up to handle cleaning up his mess? You. Always you. Itâs you who they call when they need to pull strings or need a last minute favor no one else will do. Thatâs all youâre good for, apparently.Â
Youâre having a bad day. Alone. The phone rings, and itâs him. Youâre done with him. Youâve had enough of his shit. You ignore it. It rings again. You answer.
He tells you to say âI love you.â You consider telling him to fuck off. Youâre not an experiment. He insists, and you admit that you canât say it because itâs always been true. And boy, do you hate how true it is, how much pain itâs caused you. He tells you to say it anyway - boy, do you hate that. But you insist on him saying it first. It takes him two tries to get it right, and then you say it back. Itâs like a knife to your heart.Â
He comes to your flat later and tells you that the âphone callâ you had with him was actually him being threatened by his crazy sister who told him that unless you said âI love youâ to him, youâd get blown up. âYou bastard,â you say when he asks for your forgiveness. Youâre pissed off at the fact that it was still all a lie. An experiment, just like you thought in the beginning. But fuck it, you think. Youâll forgive him. Deep down you always knew you would. Because he can do anything, literally anything to you, and youâll allow it. He can play with your heart, use you, take your room, lie to you, and youâll let him. But youâll always pick yourself up and put a smile on your face the next time he asks for your help. Because thatâs what you do, and itâs what youâll always do. So might as well accept it, because thatâs all he ever needs you for.Â
SO LADIES:Â
If he doesnât manipulate you, only remember you exist when he needs something, forget your name when youâre hanging out, use you because he knows youâll never say no to him, and only say âi love youâ for the sake of getting a response .... whatâs even the point???
If Iâve said it once, Iâve said it a thousand times: Molly Hooper deserved better.
Itâs just funny because Sherlock only called Molly in TEH when John refused to talk to him, and he even called her John during the case. Even though he said sheâs ânot being Johnâ - he still never asked her on a case again after he and John made up. And even though Sherlollians called this a âdateâ - he never asked again even after her engagement ended. I guess thatâs what Sherlock being âdown to hook back upâ looks like to them.Â
Itâs also funny cause this implies that they only werenât together in S3 because Molly said no (due to her engagement), even though it was her was hoping heâd ask her out to dinner, and it was Sherlock who corrected her. I might be reading into things here, but it kiiiiinda seems like one of these people is far more invested in the relationship than the other...
They claim we pull shit out of thin air, that our mountains of evidence and analysis are âreaching.â - and yet theyâre "UTTERLY CONVINCEDâ that this happened between Sherlock and Molly and they âhad a thingâ despite the fact that she was basically absent for most of S4.Â
Can the bar be set any lower? Worrying makes a ship canon?Â
Mycroft says âI worry about him constantly.â Is Holmescest canon now too?Â
Mrs. Hudson worries about Sherlock. Is she in love with him?Â
This shit right here is what we mean by heteronormativity.Â
Sherlock can die for John, kill for him, come back to life for him, say he likes him in front of his wife, say he loves him in front of a crowd, run in front of bullets to protect him, jump into a bonfire for him, suggest his first name sounds good with Johnâs last name, imagine them agreeing to elope, call him his Boswell, damsel in distress, helpmate, conductor of light, the bravest and kindest and wisest human being heâs ever known, ... but Sherlolly is canon because he worried about Molly.Â
Creator of video:Â
âIn this video, Iâm more referring to BBC Sherlock and the use of queerbaiting as a marketing ploy, as opposed to them not making Sherlock and John a coupleâ . . . âWhile I am not as such angry that they didnât make them a couple, what I do take issue with is using young LBGT fansâ
Commenters:Â
âYou are NOT a fan of Sherlock. You are a fan of the possibility of Johnlockâ
âI donât understand why making people think there would be an LGBTQ romance is queerbaiting.â
âAs a hetero girl, I donât feel heterobaitedâ
âDid someone lead you to believe that they were supposed to be in love with each other?âÂ
âMaybe you should consider maybe they arenâs supposed to be gay because Iâve never been gay go figure also your hair is horribleâ
âWhen Sherlock or John shoot/hurt someone they go âaww cuteâ but when Mary or Molly do what the guys did they go âevil woman!!â
Hi there anon, could you please provide one single receipt of us saying Sherlock and John hitting/shooting people is âcute?â While weâre waiting on that, you can entertain yourself with these receipts of your fandom cheering on unwarranted violence from Molly and Mary.Â
âTaken at is most basic interpretation, Mary is a threat to their shipâ
Lol as if you donât hate John for that exact reason.Â
âUnderstanding [why Mary shot Sherlock] is NOT condoningâÂ
Where is that energy when it comes to John beating Sherlock in the morgue? That was just as unnecessary and pointless as Mary shooting Sherlock, but you rush to defend, excuse, and forgive one and not the other.Â
âShe is clearly on a redemption arc that would be embraced were it, say, John who shot Sherlock. Can you imagine how theyâd rush to defend his actions if the story had gone that way?â
Well, John did beat Sherlock up... and I donât see Johnlockers rushing to defend him for that, so I fail to see how weâd defend him for doing something far more severe, such as shooting him.Â
But if John had shot Sherlock, would you be as forgiving towards him as you were for Mary? I think the fuck not.Â
âThere is a definite double standard when it comes to male vs female charactersâ
Sorry, but where are these double standards? We hated it when Molly slapped Sherlock, when Mary shot him, AND when John beat him up.
And yes, we know Sherlock, John, and Mary all shot and killed people. But Mary shoots good guys to save herself and they shoot bad guys to save other people. Donât ignore that fact and then act like weâre sexist when we say one is more excusable than the other.Â
Go reread every single one of the above points if you want to see real double standards between male and female characters. Violence and murder are not okay just because itâs coming from a woman. This shouldnât even have to be said.Â
âI donât see [the double standards] changing even if the show ends with an R-rated scene of John and Mary making love in their flatâ
I love how every time people try to diss Johnlockers, it always somehow ties back to sex, even though weâre the ones supposedly obsessed with our faves fucking
I also love the implication these âdouble standardsâ would be challenged the most if we saw Mary having straight sex, as opposed to, oh idk, her just being a better person. Itâs not âEven if Mary became a literal saint, theyâd still hate her!â Itâs âEven if Mary fucked a man, theyâd still call her evil!â As if having sex with a man automatically makes a woman morally irreproachable and more likable and erases all her past wrongdoings.
The fact that you even made this comparison shows that this has nothing to do with respecting or uplifting women - itâs just to do with with shipping.
Tag yourselves, weâre âWhat makes you think they could have met in uni? Do you even realize how much John is older than Sherlock?â
Itâs called AU fanfiction. Meaning you can twist and bend the rules and have it so characters can be different ages, from different countries, have different professions, etc.Â
Johnlock isn't everywhere because we âshove it down peopleâs throats.â Itâs everywhere because itâs the most popular ship. Thatâs just the way it is. Donât get butthurt because Johnlockers write more fics than you and outnumber every other ship by thousands.Â
Itâs fine if you ship Victor with Sherlock but stop bitching about other ships and fanfiction existing. No one is shoving anything down your throat. Or better yet. Let me introduce you to a handy little feature on AO3:
GO NUTS
Someone is salty methinks.Â
AA herself comes out and says it doesnât make any sense for Mary to have shot Sherlock, but they still try to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it.Â
She says killed. Not shot. Not wounded. Killed. Yet Miz still wants to ignore Sherlockâs heart stopping on the monitor, Mary chasing after him when he escapes the hospital, and Sherlock having to talk her down from shooting him a second time.
To each their own, but I never want to hear their arguments of âBuT mOfTiSs SaID!! BuT BeN sAiD!! bUt MaRtIn SaId!!!â if they canât handle it when one of their own faves destroys one of their most firmly held opinions.
A reply on our recent post comparing how John and Molly thought of Sherlock when FIRSTÂ meeting him.
Letâs take a moment to appreciate this logic of âand Sherlock appears to have reacted to her on that same level in the beginning.â Yes, thatâs why he insulted her, turned down her date, and was as rude to her as possible. Because he likes her, obviously. (What is this, grade school?)
Second, I like how itâs all romantic and whatever when Molly is targeted. But are you forgetting how many times villains have targeted John as a way to get to Sherlock? Cause itâs happened a lot, but oh thatâs just because they saw how much he platonically loved John, right? And unlike Molly, the threats to him were real, so like. Whatâs your point.Â
And third. Your reply isnât even necessary because the post wasnât saying that Molly never saw Sherlock's humanity. It only said that, unlike Loo claimed, she didnât see it before John did (or Mrs. Hudson or his parents). It just took her longer. Thatâs all. No need to get butthurt.Â
Yes itâs nice and all that Loo wanted to turn Moffatâs poorly written character into a fully fleshed human being. But I donât necessarily agree with her statement that Molly saw the humanity in Sherlock before John did. Letâs look at how Molly felt about him the day they met, January 28th, only one (1) day before John came around:
What Molly âsees in himâ is his dark fuck prince aura and a hot body. Itâs a superficial schoolgirl crush at best. She clearly glorifies/romanticizes Sherlock in her mind, which is why the first few times she gets a glimpse of how coarse, rude, and indelicate he can be, she gets upset. Because what sheâs seeing doesnât match her fantasy of who she thinks he is. Around S3, she starts to accept that Sherlock is an incredibly imperfect human, and the sweet, shy Molly is slowly replaced with a more irritable one. After the final turning point in HLV (i.e. when she fully accepts that heâs not who she wants him to be), we never really see her staple kind/cutesy personality again. But unfortunately, sheâs been hooked on Sherlock for so long at that point that she canât shake off her feelings and she remains hung on on a man who she knows isnât good for her. Itâs really quite a tragic story if you think about it.Â
Aka, it took Molly a while to see and accept the humanity in him, to get anywhere near where John is in the first episode.
When John first met him, he didnât see a super cool, suave, mystery man. He instantly saw the human underneath the persona, the man who pretends he can guess the fortunes and acts like he doesnât need friends, but he really does. Of course, the same romanticizing and infatuation from Mollyâs blog is coming through in Johnâs writing too (fascinating, likable, charming, did I mention clever?), but he also calls him arrogant, rude, and pompous. Both positive and negatives are present because humans have both positive and negative in them, and John has always seen and accepted Sherlock as a human being, not a fantasy.Â
What is it with you sherlollians and taking totally neutral, friendly posts and butchering them into your own personal wank fests? [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]Â
And for the love of god. For the hundredth time. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT MOLLY DOESNâT COUNT. Weâre all watching the same show, and we all know she helped Sherlock with the fall. (Besides that though, if you remove all of her scenes, very little would change, but I digress).
You sherlollians just canât understand how someone could possibly appreciate a woman for the minor side character she is without wanting her to fuck the male lead. It just doesnât compute in your misogynistic, sex-obsessed, little brains how we can appreciate a female character and NOT make her a manâs love interest. You're almost as bad as those âACD fansâ who donât think Holmes could respect a woman like Irene without wanting to sleep with her.Â
Just because we donât see Molly as a love interest doesnât mean we donât appreciate her or want a happy ending for her. Read some of our fics if you donât believe us. Despite whatever bullshit youâve heard from theleftpill, I promise youâd surprised at how we see and treat her.Â
Welcome to the blog that exploits all the shit your âfriendsâ claim they never did. Have fun.
First of all, anyone who has guts to tell Petratodd, âFuck your hateâ deserves a huge clap of approval. Damn.Â
And what is Petra talking about anyway:Â
âThey were the ones being nasty, harassing non-jlock shippers, and jlock shippers who didnât toe their party line. They said people who didnât believe didnât belong in the fandom. They harassed queer people and minors. They used racial and gendered slurs. So no, this isnât âshit flying both ways.â This was TJLC members harassing people, unprompted, and people choosing to fight back.â
How were we in ANY way harassing ANYONE in this fandom? WHEN? When did any of us harass queer people and minors? WHEN did we use racial and gender slurs? You got any proof to back that up, honey? Or do like pulling things out of your ass?
[Weâre 99.99% sure Petra is talking about herself.]
And this?:
âHonestly, the worst abuses (the threats of doxxing and physical violence, the harassment, the nonconsensual YouTube filming, the mocking, etc) aside, just after having endured years of watching non-TJLC people being called âcasualsâ and âantisâ for not buying into the batshit makes me deeply unsympathetic.â
Sure, we called people who were AGAINST johnlock Antis. How horrible of us. We should have known better. Everyone? No use of the âANTIâ word anymore. Itâs offensive. *eye roll*
The doxxing? The physical abuse? Please tell us you have receipts for that. Those are serious allegations and you should have proof. VISIBLE, BELIEVABLE HONEST TO GOD PROOF. Donât just say it because you hate us. Come on, Sherlollies. The least you can do is provide proof that a johnlocker doxed a friend of yours. Or threatened physical violence. Or filmed them without consent..... (when... has that happened). With the amount of work you put into spreading lies about us, you should be able to come up with something valid instead of saying to ANYONE who asks for proof, âFuck your revisionist history.â
We CREATED the TJLC tag for our own amusement. We didnât create it to look down on anyone or badger them. YOU GUYS BROUGHT THAT UPON YOURSELVES. Just read the links we provided in this post. And ever since then you have run your mouths amok with nonsense. Meanwhile johnlockers focused their energy on studying the show and you focused your energy on hating us.Â
There seems to be a running gag with you all that we have made your lives so FUCKING MISERABLE - and yet, you can only back it up with âjlockers are meanies.âÂ
Or could it be that the only receipts you have of doxxing, harassing, abuse, mocking, etc are those done BY YOUR OWN? Is that why youâre so afraid of coming forward?
Yo. Earth to Petra. Weâd like to repeat what Taversoe said to you earlier. Fuck your hate. How about you simmer down a bit and go look for those doxxing receipts you claim were written BY US?
Oh wait. There are none from us.
You all just hate us because we ship two men.
Thatâs all itâs ever been about.
We presume that the Johnlocker who made the tweet wasnât really going to die, but the fact that Mark Gatiss basically told them to go ahead and die -Â and the amount of Sherlollians who liked and reblogged the post - was fucking disturbing.
Sherlollians - the same people who proclaim to be all about love - laughed along with a man who told us to die, and then posted pictures of graves directed at us, made fun of and belittled our hurt, and created an anonymous hate blog to collectively ridicule depressed and suicidal people.
And then they turn around and call Johnlockers toxic bullies.Â
FOR WHAT???
Is it because a few Johnlockers sent you anon hate? Oh thatâs interesting because you guys have done that too.
Is it because of a bit of improper tagging? Youâve done that too.Â
Is it because of post hijacking? Ship hating? Bullying? Real people shipping? Hating on cast/crew? *checks notes* Yep, you guessed it. Thereâs not a single thing you can point to to claim that weâre a âtoxicâ fandom that YOUR side of the fandom has never done.Â
Johnlockers have NEVER behaved like this when you guys get thrown under the bus. Remember when Moftiss confirmed the ily wasnât genuine by saying Molly got over it by shagging someone? Did we gloat about it? No, we just reiterated how Molly was again thrown aside and mistreated for the sake of a male characterâs growth. Something you guys keep ignoring despite claiming to be all about female empowerment.
You are the immature toxic bullies of the Sherlock fandom. You are the reason people are warned not to enter the Sherlock fandom. (Remember when you tried to âwarnâ the YOI fandom about us and they were like âactually we havenât had a single problem from any of the newcomersâ)
Weâll listen to your complaints about Johnlockers being a âtoxic fandomâ when you guys stop exhibiting the exact behavior you always accuse us of. Projection sure is a powerful thing, isnât it.
Behold, examples where Johnlock writers have treated Molly well in their fics - just a few of the many
In some of these, sheâs in a healthy relationship with someone who treats her well and makes her happy - but *gasp!* Itâs not Sherlock! How dare we!
In some, she has a great friendship with Sherlock untainted by anyone catching feelings.
In some, she has a very close and loving bond with John instead.Â
This is another response theleftpillâs baseless claims that johnlockers are just sooooo misogynistic and we treat Molly poorly in our fics.Â
When she made her âfemfirmative blog,â she said it was just ohh soooo hard to find johnlock fics that treated the female characters well, so she took it upon herself to weed out our âmisogynisticâ writing and rec âfemale-friendlyâ fics for all the Sherlollians interested in trying out johnlock (*whispers* none of them were genuinely interested. It was just a childish jab that died out in a few weeks). And in another post, she claimed that she hadnât read any sherlolly fics where John was treated poorly, but could recall âat least half a dozenâ (that means 6) of our fics where Molly was an eternally sad, pining woman.Â
In case youâre wondering, weâve never read ANY johnlock fics that present Molly as âeternally pining.â The closest they ever get to that is just having her exactly as she is in the show. If you think thatâs misogynistic writing, theleftpill, then take it up with Moftiss, not us. If she actually read as much johnlock as she claims, sheâd know that Molly is usually a good friend and/or is in a happy relationship.Â
Now disclaimer: On AO3 there are 5,707 fics Sherlock/John fics with Molly tagged as an additional character. If you combed through each and every single one of those, thereâs a possibility you might find some where Molly doesnât meet Sherlollians standards.Â
Likewise, there are 3,087 Sherlock/Molly fics that feature John Watson. Do you Sherlollians (particularly theleftpill) mean to tell me that in every single one of those, John is treated well, is a good bff for Sherlock, isnât discarded or reduced to a Sherlolly cheerleader, isnât a bumbling idiot, or an abusive, violent tyrant?Â
No? Okay then. Shut the fuck up about how Johnlockers treat Molly in their fics. Because I GUARANTEE you, we treat Molly FAR better than you treat John - both in fanfic and in general discussions/headcanons on tumblr.Â