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Really gotta wonder what Pratchett was thinking, writing about a demon with "good cheekbones", who can do "weird things" with his tongue, who's secretly obsessed with the "pleasures of the world"...and then have him show absolutely no interest in women while having a clingy codependent relationship with his very-gay-coded angel friend. 🤔

firelikestars

i’ve thought about this. because i mean what are the odds, right? why would he write them gay? my instinct tells me that he did not write them queer on purpose. but the more i think about it, the more his intentions definitely seem to have been exactly what you’re implying. i mean it’s written in. it’s consistently written in with slurs, but it is written in.

here, have an info dump. i don’t have a hyperfixation you have a hyperfixation.

along with crowley’s general (gestures vaguely to the above) everything, in the book shadwell calls them both out for acting gay as fuck after their little heart-eyed “just enough of a bastard to be worth knowing liking” exchange:

“I wouldna’ trust you two Southern nancy boys to kill a lame rat in a barrel.”

aziraphale frequently gets more of the same treatment:

Many people, meeting Aziraphale for the first time, formed three impressions: that he was English, that he was intelligent, and that he was gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide.

“You are rubbish. And probably a faggot.” Aziraphale looked desperately at Crowley.

“‘Dear boy’! Ye great southern pansy.”

“I ken what ye be about, comin’ up here and seducin’ wimmen to do yer evil will!” “I think perhaps you’ve got the wrong shop,” said Aziraphale.

“Only, if you’re one of my ancestors,” continued Johnny Two Bones, “why are you talking like a poofter?

“Not just A Southern Pansy, Sergeant Shadwell, THE Southern Pansy.”

and then of course all the touching (which is decidedly not homophobic at all and is just very sweet):

Crowley grabbed Aziraphale’s arm.

In the Jeep, Crowley was cursing. Aziraphale laid a hand on his shoulder.

Aziraphale grabbed his arm.

Aziraphale held out his hand. “Nice knowing you,” he said. Crowley took it.

now, sure, maybe terry pratchett had a very evolved view of male friendship for a white englishman born in 1948, and thought this was a perfectly normal example of a platonic relationship between a gay angel and a gay demon.

but probably not. for my money he was thinking they were doing it nasty style. i truly have no other explanation for why he would make sure to mention that angels and demons can have genitals if they want.

#good omens

correctsewingmachine

I wanted to make a Magnus Archives sticker, so I stuck the jarchivist inside a tape

#tma #jonathan sims

confusedbeing3

Late to the party, but I am absolutely loving The Magnus Archives!

tender jarts

#blond john blond john blond john #blondjohn #john doe #malevolent #arthur lester

frankalonie

malevolent threshold spoilers ahead !!!

#malevolent #malevolent threshold #arthur lester #parker

vamp-ari

i still cant belive the first thing arthur does when he finally sees his eldritch boyfriend is compare hands

#malevolent #arthur lester #john doe

bumblebeebats

How is it that you can a music library of like 1,200+ absolute bangers but as soon as you put it on shuffle in a group setting it's like. anime opening you added in 2010. homestuck parody song. musical artist who was cancelled last year for kidnapping and eating children in his basement. Hamilton

xsasek

Are you trying to tempt me?

The reference and inspiration for this piece was sculpture of Acis and Galatea from the Medici Fountain!

~Posting Aziracrow every day until Gomens3 comes out and I explode > 27

#oh they're gorgeous #good omens #good omens fanart

x-lucifera

So I've just finished 'season' 3 of Good Omens.

I'm gonna put a cut here because it can be taken as a spoiler.

Be warned.

catkelpie

This is EXACTLY how I feel about that finale! To a T!

#good omens 3 #anti go3

skullfragments

i’m having a hard time reconciling with those who genuinely loved go3. not for lack of trying - i’ve spent some time reading through posts of their interpretations of the finale on a meta-level and posts that are a celebration of the things they loved about it. but i read them and come away with the feeling that we watched two entirely different shows.

i’m not going to claim to be any sort of media studies expert bc i’m not, but i think it’s fair to say that while tv or movies or books etc are open to all interpretations, those conclusions still have to have a basis on what is actually on the screen or page. and so much of what i see from people who tout the beauty of go3 just does not line up with what i saw on screen (or in the book, if we want to look there too). it’s like someone having an opinion based on false information. if someone said they love the first jurassic park movie bc in the end the humans and the dinosaurs sort out their differences and stop hurting each other so everyone gets a happy ending, you would say “ok but that literally did not happen”.

i don’t know how to change that for myself. i’m trying to just view it as a difference in opinion, but instead i find myself continuously thinking “that’s nice, but that literally didn’t happen”. at the same time, i know i’m not going to change anyone’s mind even if i wanted to try. so like. what do i do, just ignore everyone who talks about how perfect the ending was and how much they love it? even people that i otherwise enjoy interacting with? that doesn’t feel fair either. it all makes me feel like i’m coming off as an elitist asshole who only values my own ‘correct’ opinions - which is the last thing i want!

genuinely, is anyone else struggling with this?

starsundertheceiling

Reading positive opinions of s3 made me realize why so many people are in abusive relationships and willingly get married. The people who don't listen to their friends and family when they point out how harmful their partner behaves because for some reason they genuinely can't see it and only acknowledge the idealized version of their partner that they made up themselves.

skullfragments

personally, i don't totally agree with this comparison. i think people fall into and get stuck in abusive relationships for all sorts of reasons, and it's not always because they're blind to the red flags and such. and choosing to interpret media a certain way, even if that's a positive interpretation of something you're fully aware is not a good movie/show is a lot less consequential, to say the least.

i understand what you're trying to say, though. i've seen discussions and theories that feel so far removed from what i saw on screen that it's as if i watched a completely different show. and a lot of the positive or idealized versions feel like giving the writing too much credit, or otherwise filling in the blanks with better ideas - which is usually for fanfiction. so it can feel a bit like "your idea is a headcanon! that didn't actually happen! at least be honest that it's a HC/fanfic!" but i'm also trying really hard not to fester any resentment against people who enjoyed go3, thus my original post😅

starsundertheceiling

Sorry, it's important for me to clear this up. I realize that abusive relationships are often complicated and often harder to get out of than it seems from an outside perspective. I didn't mean to trivialize people's struggles but I never stated that ONLY people that choose to be blind end up in these relationships. I specified "willingly", but I guess that'd still include the people who were psychologically conditioned to think marriage was what they needed to do. Hm. I DID only mean the people who are genuinely just obsessed with their partner and unseeing of the red flags even though the people around them keep pointing them out.

And yeah, I agree with your original post hence the reblog heh

lookingatacupoftea

The thing is. The thing is --

The Arrangement.

The Arrangement is 1,000 years old by the current day. They have done each other's jobs countless times. So they both absolutely know that the differences between angels and demons and between heaven and hell are no more than cosmetic. They both have had plenty of time to realize and accept that.

It was okay for S1 to throw in some extra panic and posturing when everything was going to shit and Gabriel and Hastur kept popping up, but I always assumed they still knew, deep down, that they were more alike than different and that their respective head offices were more alike than different. (The book makes this even more apparent when they each consider defecting to the other side).

I guess the show needed to forget the Arrangement in S2 & S3 so it could barrel right past shades of grey to make Crowley the only "good," curious, enlightened being in the universe and Aziraphale a pale shadow of a character.

#anti go3 #good omens 3

twilightcitysky

Mickey Ralph, the Good Omens production designer, on perhaps the most shut-book, closed ending finale in the history of TV finales 🤔

#they commited suicide in front of my own eyes pal #if they live on in my mind it's just because I gathered the sparkly dust they became before they scattered and pieced them back together #with the power of my own imagination and refusal to accept the entirety of s3 as canon #good omens #anti go3

skullfragments

i’m having a hard time reconciling with those who genuinely loved go3. not for lack of trying - i’ve spent some time reading through posts of their interpretations of the finale on a meta-level and posts that are a celebration of the things they loved about it. but i read them and come away with the feeling that we watched two entirely different shows.

i’m not going to claim to be any sort of media studies expert bc i’m not, but i think it’s fair to say that while tv or movies or books etc are open to all interpretations, those conclusions still have to have a basis on what is actually on the screen or page. and so much of what i see from people who tout the beauty of go3 just does not line up with what i saw on screen (or in the book, if we want to look there too). it’s like someone having an opinion based on false information. if someone said they love the first jurassic park movie bc in the end the humans and the dinosaurs sort out their differences and stop hurting each other so everyone gets a happy ending, you would say “ok but that literally did not happen”.

i don’t know how to change that for myself. i’m trying to just view it as a difference in opinion, but instead i find myself continuously thinking “that’s nice, but that literally didn’t happen”. at the same time, i know i’m not going to change anyone’s mind even if i wanted to try. so like. what do i do, just ignore everyone who talks about how perfect the ending was and how much they love it? even people that i otherwise enjoy interacting with? that doesn’t feel fair either. it all makes me feel like i’m coming off as an elitist asshole who only values my own ‘correct’ opinions - which is the last thing i want!

genuinely, is anyone else struggling with this?

starsundertheceiling

Reading positive opinions of s3 made me realize why so many people are in abusive relationships and willingly get married. The people who don't listen to their friends and family when they point out how harmful their partner behaves because for some reason they genuinely can't see it and only acknowledge the idealized version of their partner that they made up themselves.

#good omens 3 #anti go3 #btw I don't understand why it's us haters who should tag our posts #when I find positive opinions hurtful #how am I supposed to curate my spaces when positive opinions are not specially tagged

proship-froggo

Fandoms have a serious problem with how creators are being treated these days.

Fandom creators spend hours of their free time to create something to make fandom thrive...for free and for the love of the game.

And what do they get? A wholeass heap of fuck all. No reblogs, no comments, no nothing. And people are surprised that creators are dropping out left, right, and centre??

"Why is there no long fic anymore?" "Why did my favourite writer stop?" "Why is my favourite artist not posting anymore?"

I implore you to ask yourself: "What's the last thing I did to support my fandom? Does my favourite creator know they are my favourite? When was the last time I left a comment under something?"

kisaobaldennaya

it's been over a month since the film came out, and I still can't shake the feeling that aziraphale got reduced to an empty extension of crowley. he became his burden, his manipulator, the villain responsible for every problem in crowley’s life

crowley ended up at the center of the entire story. the film constantly frames him as a tragic, miserable figure, but a lot of his actions barely make sense. after losing his miracles and bentley, why didn’t he stay in the bookshop? the idea that "it hurt too much" doesn’t really work for me considering how much that place meant to him and how much he cared for it. and after winning at the casino, why refuse the money? it felt less like character writing and more like the story trying to force sympathy: "look how much aziraphale ruined his life." which makes even less sense when they reconcile almost immediately afterward

and then there’s aziraphale. he basically becomes the scapegoat. heaven dislikes him, people on earth blame him for leaving whickber street and crowley, and suddenly he’s treated like some selfish careerist who never truly loved crowley and only cared about his angelic side. the line "you were the best angel" ... fuck. seriously?

what bothers me most is seeing people say things like "crowley suffered because aziraphale kept rejecting him." at that point I genuinely wonder if we watched the same story. how do you watch season 2 and come away thinking aziraphale’s motivations and character weren’t get rewritten?

#good omens 3 #good omens

allthingswhumpyandangsty

sometimes I’m reminded that there are still people who don’t know ao3 was literally created by incest shippers — and the site’s sole purpose is to 1. be completely against censorship and 2. host all kinds of dark, taboo fics that are banned on other platforms — and the first ever fic that was posted on ao3 was a fic about an incest ship from supernatural.

you are in the house that was created by freaks. for freaks (affectionate). every disgusting thing you can think of is rightfully allowed and welcomed on ao3, because they are exactly the reasons why ao3 was created in the first place.

ao3 was created because its creators got tired of censorship, they got tired of dark and taboo fics getting banned on pro-censorship platforms, and they wanted a place that was safe for ALL FICS THAT WERE DARK AND TABOO.

ao3’s main principle is being against censorship and being proship / profic.

there are some things in fiction that make me uncomfortable, but instead of shaming people who are just minding their own business and not harming anyone in real life, I choose to curate my own internet experience by blocking/muting what I don’t want to see. ao3 has excellent tagging system, so instead of being a bitch, use their tagging system properly and you won’t see the things you don’t want to see.

it’s your job to curate what you see. it’s not other people’s jobs or responsibilities to censor themselves for your personal comfort. the world does not revolve around you.

also you cannot censor “only the things you personally hate” without expecting everything else, that isn’t of conservative beliefs, to be censored too. because censorship is a slippery slope and a fascist tool. I promise you there are people who think “why do tags for queer love even exist on ao3? they’re grooming children”.

if you allow the things that you hate to be censored — because someone with enough power gets to control what other people can and cannot create/consume, it will not stop at the things that you hate.

*illustration by sillyalexnorris

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