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When will you post the screenshots of youtubers talking about how crappy ml is and the corrosion it casts upon young kids.
Ah, shoot. Half of the files on my phone are erased because I got a new phone and the system just suddenly auto deletes it. But thankfully some of it is saved in my google photos. I'll just salvage some of it and take new ones. Thanks for showing interest, anon! I thought no one was interested because it was so quiet in that post. So I'll definitely post it later on.
Clover Rants Miraculously: Painting With The Same Brush
You know, I think the most saddest (and kind of funny in an ironic way) things about âDerisionâ and other episodes/scenes like it is that in the writers attempts to get Chloe to seem âirredeemably evilâ to the audience, all theyâve done is make the rest of the cast look bad. Like those scenes donât effect my view of her because the show already told us Chloe was a brat and bully from the get-go, so learning about the date prank and her forcing Marinette to stay home and the entire plot of âCollusionâ and âConfrontationâ just come off as learning nothing new. Complete net-zero information. MeanwhileâŠ
Bustier (and by extension Damocles and Mendeleiev) looks like an even worse teacher for ignoring her misbehavior and constantly putting the onus on Marinette to solve the issue if things were this bad already, especially when âRevelationâ shows sheâs so oblivious to the things going on in class that sheâs actually genuinely shocked Chloe hasnât been doing her own homework for the entirety of her middle school career and then some. Like I know the fandom likes to joke that sheâs a kindergarten teacher at the wrong school and âhaha public education sucks because teachers badâ but DAMN woman, are you telling me you never side-eyed how similar Sabrina and âChloeâ homework tended to be even once (or maybe Sabrinaâs just that good at forging handwriting like I often headcanon)? Just how little is FDâs overall funding that no one ever tried double checking this stuff?! No wonder Chloe treats yâall like a joke!
The class comes off as pretty fairweather/uncaring as Marinette was being bullied by Chloe for years (especially since it was stated in canon that Marinette had no friends until âOriginsâ) but only are only now seem to care about it. Even with the potential excuse of âWell Marinette grew a backbone/theyâre less scared of Chloe nowâ, âDerisionâ showed the kids cared less about Chloeâs opinion than they do now and were willing to comfort Marinette after the prank, so what was stopping them from openly helping her out up until âOriginsâ?
The school faculty, despite Chloe having a reputation for exaggerating things and being purposely petty when demanding âpunishmentsâ when she feels slighted, constantly not only immediately believing her when sheâs clearly making stuff up, but also still refusing to put their foots down (waiting until the grand coincidence of an Akumatized!Bustier forcing Andre to step down as opposed to, IDK, showing solidarity and care for their students by choosing to refuse Chloeâs demands and meeting her threats head on?). Again, what is the school paying you for?
Kim looks like a complete jerk now seeing as how he doesnât seem to see anything wrong with that he did to Marinette in âDerisionâ and gives a rather poor apology afterwards - one he had to be shamed into rather than realizing and giving it on his own. Heck the only reason he even gets Akumatized over it is because everyone else was riding him on how messed up it was and he got fed up with it. It also kind of puts into question why Marinette is so friendly with him/still gave him a Miraculous if he participated in what was such a traumatic event for her. And thatâs not even getting into poor Ondine having to hear her own boyfriend call another girl (whom is established as a huge jerk) âThe prettiest girl in the worldâ Kim bby Iâm so sorry the writers are doing you so dirty
Sabrinaâs upgrade to Miraculous holder/her redemption feels even more unearned now because like above, she shows no remorse for her actions in âDerisionâ or the bullying sheâs been (willingly in some parts) participating in for the last four seasons and before then, and only ends up leaving Chloe because Lila takes her spot as Chloeâs bestie and she hated having to share (and because their latest scheme in âCollusionâ potentially involved jail time for her if they got caught) instead of genuine disgust at Chloeâs growing nastiness or her own mistreatment because of it. All those years of waiting and fics about Sabrina finally breaking free and realizing she could be better - rewarded with her instead abandoning Chloe to save her own skin and hopping onto the SS.Marinette because it benefited her more (and again, doesnât involve jail time) rather than genuine regret of her actions. So inspiring
Andre basically allowed Chloe to get away with using his position as mayor to mistreat her classmates+the citizens and flaunt her status as his daughter for years, and only starts caring/putting his foot down when she starts doing it to Zoe and only for Zoe (the âgoodâ non-blood daughter that the original script had him state he âliked betterâ) before he immediately abandons her to Audrey the first chance he gets, despite understanding what a terrible and abusive person his wife is - And letâs not forget him calling his 14 year old daughter that he raised âheartlessâ and terrible (to the man who frequently overrides his own childâs freewill with magic mind you). Whatâs worse is that the show plays this off like itâs his reward for having âsufferedâ under Chloeâs demands and that itâs all her fault heâs a terrible mayor (like he hadnât often willingly broken laws or abused his position on his own with no prompting from her for his personal benefit). Iâm sure all the neglectful dads who replace affection towards their children with gifts and indulgences watching feel totally respected and represented now.
Poor Sabine and Tom already get a bad enough rep as it is thanks to some of the story decisions made *COUGH*A//doration*COUGH*Ladybug*COUGHCOUGH*, but now weâve been basically informed that they knew Marinette was being bullied to the point of actually pretending to be sick andâŠdid nothing. And not even in a âWe want to help but weâre limited thanks to school bureaucracy and/or our own financial situationâ way but at âYeah we know youâre terrified of your classmate tormenting you again and that this constant slew of harassment from all sides is slowly destroying your mental health but weâre just gonna tell you to buck upâ. Yeah, they gave her Socqueline keeping an eye out but that ultimately ended up doing nothing to really protect her in the end
Zoe, for all her goodness and being portrayed as a âbetter redeemed!Chloeâ as her claim to fame, does nothing to make good on her promise to love Chloe no matter what in âQueen Bananaâ and watches her half-sister being abandoned by her entire immediate family while reaping all the benefits from it (Not to say thatâs her fault or sheâs required to, just that itâsâŠwell, not a good look for her tbh). While Zoe isnât obligated to put up with Chloeâs mistreatment (and she isnât), it def makes her look super hypocritical to claim to love Chloe âeven if the whole world hates [her]â and then do/say nothing as her stepdad basically leaves her half sister to suffer from the same fate she escaped from in New York.
Adrien, despite having a front row seat to how awful and nasty Chloe can be to people who arenât him and watching her torment his classmates for the past 9 months in canon, only now ends their friendship - and over an event that happened a year ago when he wasnât there that she isnât sorry for, when sheâs been doing worse since he arrived with no remorse then either, with his only response back then being to chuckle and go âChloe will never changeâ like a wistful friend. After 5 whole seasons of handwaving his handwaving of Chloeâs bullying, they only now have him care, with the catalyst being that Marinette wonât give him happy-smoochy-times because of whatever happened - and then make it worst by having him try to kill Kim for it, after having him have a near mental breakdown over accidentally giving the terrorist responsible for every one of his current life issues a death sentence with the same method (and also trying to do it to another akuma victim). My sincerest condolences Adrien please join Kim in the âYou got screwed badly by the episode narrativeâ corner
Like, I genuinely have to wonder how they wrote out those episodes and thought anyone involved looked good afterwards. Peoples opinions on Chloe canât sink any lower than they already are (and if they can, thatâs mostly because they already disliked her), but you arenât making her look worse by slinging mud on everyone else, even unintentionally.
Ever wondered aside from the lack of world building, the French government hasn't gotten their hands on these two spandex and leather wearing kids?
Maybe that people who were watching this chaos in Miraculous Paris said, "Eh, fuck it. I hate this place anyway." And decided to bail.
And then there are people who really DO try to take these two just so they could take the two magical artifacts to set up a trap for Hawkie without mercy. It's just this ridiculously insane outrageous high luck from Ladybug that keeps stopping them from stopping them.
Is there anyone in the fandom who have been bullied and felt offended after watching Derision?
This episode showed us what Chloe did to Mari, but since S1, they wrote Mari and Chloe as rivals. Heck, Mari helped Chloe reconcile with her mother (Queen Wasp), gives her miraculous, and even throw a party for her because she's Queen Bee, a "hero" (Malediktator). To make things worse, they wrote Mari as someone who's responsible for Chloe to change (Zombizou).
And to make things even further worse (is that even a sentence?), the teachers and parents KNOW Mari is being bullied, so why are they still siding with Chloe? Okay, asking for the teacher to act is crossing the line, but her parents? Not even an attempt to talk to the school about it? Or change school? They just let their daughter live 3 years of her school life getting bullied?
Im numb with how horrible the writing of this show since S3, but this one just baffling.
I agree, it doesn't work.
You could have the story where Marinette really is bullied as hard as Derision would have you believe, and you could have her overcoming things, with Chloé being a brutal influence on her life she needs to dodge and struggle with. You could have the arc of Marinette overcoming and learning to stand up to Chloé lasting across seasons so the audience could cheer her along in her struggles and feel the rise and hope.
Or
You could have the plot that S1 gave us. Marinette exasperated by the mean girl in her school who is kind of a jerk to everyone but who never really causes a lot of harm. A girl that Marinette can eventually reach out to because Marinette is just *that strong of a person* Her convictions are true, and she takes the time to see past the surface and understand. She changes her 'bully' a bit at a time, until at some point the bully is gone and a new friend stands where they were. One who knows and regrets what they've done, and will be both grateful and dedicated to the cause of the person who took the time to help them.
Either of these two plotlines work, but you can't jump between the two. It doesn't work to have a bully who never achieves anything or really scares anyone except in flashbacks. You might as well call Team Rocket 'evil bullies.' No one is buying, it's comic relief and antagonists for plot, nothing more.
Derision just doesn't work in canon. So it's best to ignore it.
I honestly think Marinette is the one bullying Chloé who just so happens to have mean streak. I mean, think about it when you see S1-S3.
The whole class sided with her the entire time when she badmouth Chloé when the latter is only commenting rudely on certain things to earn Marinette's ire or just having her daily streaks. And when Chloé retaliates the entire class is used as a shield to corner her further. It... doesn't look like a bully-victim behavior. Even if I were to put my younger self in Mari's shoes (heh, Marishoes), which is me being miserable, I would have just stayed away from Chloé to not have a bad mood myself.
Maybe it's me being mature or my experience talking, Chloé just looking more and more like a mean girl rather than a bully and Marinette revels in bringing her down just because she had the courage to do so with many backings from her peers to corner the first if she lashes out.
OML, AHAHAHAHA. THIS PROFILE PHOTO IS PERFECT
Ok, earlier today i was asked what my issue was with this "backstory" of Marinette in the derision episode. Well, my problem is on two parts,...
First from the pov of storytelling:
I love it when early in a story the writers give us little details that aren't explained, that sometimes they are even so discreet that they are overlooked. And then later something is revealed and you are like "Oh, now i understand why this and that happened back in season 1!". They leave it clear that they put a real effort in building the story. That everything was really planned. Marinette's backstory feels so fake if we look back at earlier seasons. Someone who has such an intense trauma that they have such a strong reaction just by looking at cereal floating on milk would had shown signs way earlier.
PSTD doesn't go dormant. Anyone suffering from it will tell you. It is a constant and daily struggle. It is clear they just thought of it now to excuse Marinette's stalker side from the earlier seasons.
One day she's in heaven when he holds her hand,
and the next she can't stand it?
I repeat, PSTD doesn't work like that. And what about the episode where Adrien had his photoshoot at the pool? If they have the whole story planned since forever as Astruc claims, then why didn't they add a little nod to Marinette's trauma back then. Or in the Syren episode when Paris was all underwater. Or in that other episode when Alya's sister became a spider themed villain?
My other problem with this backstory is precisely with Astruc and his arrogance which doesn't let him admit he makes mistakes. He messed up with Marinettte's stalker side. And he doesn't have the story as well planned as he says.
Why the need to excuse Marinette's behavior? Because she's the main character? So, what? Main character's can have defects too. Personally i think it's better that they do. Makes them more real, less flat. I don't tend to like super perfect, super good characters. For me it makes them less interesting and even obnoxious.
As i have mentioned before this series remind me a lot of Sailor Moon. And thanks to that and that it has great concepts (even if it has terrible execution) is why i haven't been able to completely drop this show. And trust me i wish i could.
Hopefully all the flaws in this show will miraculously somehow heal after Astruc stops being a writer.
I don't have PTSD but I used to have C-PTSD. C is for Complex. And let me tell you man, it's a lot of memory lanes of constant flashbacks day after day.
It made me relive all of those traumas whenever I saw something that triggers me or thinking of something that could trigger me even in the slightest. For example, I could be minding my own business and suddenly got thrown into the flashbacks. I could get like 15-20 flashbacks in a week and the only thing I can do is yammering or shouting incomprehensible things to snap me back to reality.
It affects my behaviour of being erratic and prone to impulses and it's not "funny" nor "quirky" like Marisue. It's hellish trying to resist jumping to the bottom of the stairs in a single swoop or throwing a brand new phone when I was at the back of a motorcycle which would result in a mass of accidents.
Idk how to end this, but why would the fans draw examples of mental health from an ogre that were saying "You can't date your friends" in his twitter handle.
Playing Idiot Plot and Idiot Ball
There is no power scaling in Miraculous Ladytrash. Everything boils down to Plot Conveniences and Deus Ex Machinas in every. Single. Episode.
Yes, Marisue. You are the biggest transgressor and I hate you for that. I start hating you again both objectively and subjectively. And that saying something.
luka's fate is still unbelievable to me though because back when truth and lies premiered i thought he and kagami would be written out for good as they served their purpose. i was pleasantly surprised by kagami in S5 because she got a handful of episodes that showed off her character development and ended up crossing paths with felix - one of the most important characters of the season.
luka never got any growth though. he stays the same from S2 to S5 and the only notable difference is that he's burdened with the knowledge of ladynoir's identities but it doesn't change his character in any meaningful way because luka ALWAYS knew marinette liked adrien, even WHEN THEY WERE DATING, and he was supporting her through all of it. and to add more salt to the wound they simply write him out instead of making him do anything with that info. migration is gonna be a nightmare really
This brought out my friend's comment in discord.
"Luka is going to progress the plot if he stays!"
"Quick! Send him to Brazil so he could get wiped out from the audience's mind!"
They literally wrap him up and ship him out like a package lmao
My guide to writing the love square dorks. Just something I made for fun to relax between tasks!
FREAKING FINALLY, A TUTORIAL!!! Thanks so much, love! You are a godsend, mwah!
âThis time, theyâll see just how exceptional I really am!â
INTRODUCING: Beehive - A miraculous fan comic
Now uploading every Friday
Not suitable for younger audiences (so basically Miraculousâ target audience)
Years after the first appearance of Ladybug and Chat Noir, Chloe Bourgeois is given a second shot as a superhero after coming into possession of a mysterious new bee miraculous abroad. With her motherâs London fashion show imminent, Chloe begins her reign as Queen Bee II to ensure the city is well protected in time for her arrivalâŠby any means necessary.Â
Beehive is a passion project fan-comic based on the kids TV show, Miraculous Ladybug. In case of those unfamiliar this comic will try to make sure you have enough information where you donât need to have watched previously to get whatâs happening.
And for those who have watched the show, a word of warning: this is not a redemption story.
INDEX
Part 1
1-3 (START), 4-7, 8-10, 11-13, 14-17, 18-19, 20-22, 23-24, 25-26, 27, 28-29, 30-32, 33-34, 35-36, 37-39, 40-41, 42-43, 44-46, 47-48, 49, 50-51, 52-53, 54-55, 56-58, 59-60, 61, 62-64, 65-66, 67-69, 70-72
Dang, this might be good. Like the dedication
I legit forgot to put up the asks button ASGSHJGJHJH
Dang, no wonder it's so silent. Even a death threat would be amusing.
Why Miraculous LadyBug Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Magical Girl Genre in All Itâs History.
Hereâs the thing: Iâm a huge fan of Magical Girl animes. I love them and treasure them, so when this craze of westernization of the genre came, I was more than glad to welcome it.
And to this day Iâm happy about most shows that came out of this hybrid. I love SVTFOE despite its flaws, Steven Universe holds a deep place in my heart and She-Ra isâŠShe-Ra is the best to come out of it.
However, among all of these, thereâs a rotten apple. One that breaks my heart to see become nothing more thanâŠan insult to everything that came before it.
Listen, when I started watching Miraculous ladybug I was hopeful. Really hopeful. Excited and mesmerized.
The original PV was 2D animated and it had this vague Princess Tutu vibe that I couldnât resist. It was clear as day that it borrowed a lot of its inspiration from magical girls. The animation was beautiful, and the scene of Chat looking at Ladybug starry eyed under the Paris Moonlight was one that I will never forget.
I love Magical Girl Anime. Thatâs why, I think that I let some shows get away with more than others would. What I ask from a western show that borrows from it, is very little in fact. I still like Star vs, and I Can sit through hundreds of episodes for just one cute scene.
And when it first aired, I tried to be positive, to like even when it had all these massive red flags.
Iâve never been a big fan of 3D animation, and specially not how itâs used in Magical Girl animes. (We all know the disaster of Sailor Moon Crystal). But I swallowed it down. The characters were different from the original PV but I swallowed it down. The background scenery was bland and generic and hardly felt unique, but I swallowed it down.
I was here since day 1. I was here when Stormy Weather premiered. I was here before many of you were, and I swallowed it all down. All for one simple reason:
The Love Square.
People who arenât as interested in Magical Girls as I am, specifically Magical Girl Animeâs with Romance, may not understand why the Love Square was such a big deal. Why it was the core; the life of the series.
Four before that, we need to cover:
The Alter Ego and Itâs Relationship To The Protagonist
An alter ego is the âalternative versionâ. The Superman to Clark Kent, the Spider-Man to Peter Parker, the Batman to Bruce Wayne. They represent the hero version, the other self, the better version if you will, of the character or protagonist were supposed to root for.
In magical girls, these better versions are key to understanding our Main Chatacter. While many magical girl animeâs like Sugar Sugar Rune or Sakura Card Captor donât place so much emphasis on the Alter Ego, thereâs many who do.
Thatâs it, because the Alter Ego is better. Brighter, happier, a sense of justice and able to confront the world. While our Main Character often times doesnât have these characteristics. The alter ego represent everything they wish to be, while the real them hides underneath.
Which, when you add romance has a very interesting dynamic.
Our main character falls in love with another, often times a prince or an idol, who everyone looks up to. And who does this Prince fall for? Our main character? Well⊠No. he falls for our Main Characterâs Alter Ego!
The reason why I find this fascinating is because in these situations, the Prince character isnât supposed to be the Male Lead. That honor instead goes to the Rebel character. You know who Iâm talking about. The Ikuto, the Kishu, the Fakir or even Mamoru of the story.
These are all fan favorite characters that fall under the âBad Boyâ or âRebel Characterâ those who arenât in love with alter ego, but instead feel attraction to the MC or the âreal oneâ
Shanespear has a great video where she details the reason why a lot of teenage girls feel attracted to this kind of character. A compulsion to be âgoodâ and âperfectâ brought for by society, and the only way for them to explore these darker and more dangerous fantasies of rebellion is through a âbad boyâ who pushes them out of their comfort zone.
May I mix then these two layer together? You have the MC in love with a perfect boy, a Prince if you will, who in turn is in love with the Perfect Girl version of the MC. And a Bad Boy who is in love with the Real Version of the MC, flaws and all. And itâs only through understanding both the real and idolized version on the MC that a man can âwinâ the love of our protagonist.
Itâs an interesting dynamic. With many different answers depending on how each show tackles itâs themes. Tokyo Mew Mew offers the idea that the Prince is the correct option, while Princess Tutu says itâs not. Then thereâs those with open endings such a Shugo Chara.
The interesting thing in Miraculous Ladybug was that it boiled down this interesting dynamic into the Love Square. The perfect and the real, the idolized and the true.
Ladybug represents the perfect version of Marinette. Adrienne represents the perfect version, while the real one is chat. Chat was both the âBad Boyâ and the âPrinceâ all in one. All in love with the âPerfectâ or Idolized version of each other
This was something never before seen. Finally, a story that would explore relationships and dynamics, of the different ways people act and who we are with people we trust and love-
No.
Sorry, we. We didnât get that.
What we got was padded episode, new love interest that refused to deal with this complexity, and a stagnant rship that refuses to explore any of the flaws of their characters - why theyâre not perfect, or even a reason why they stay in love
This is why the Love Square fails. This, is the core of why and how it works. People can expand upon this in million different ways, but you inevitably come back to this.
The real and the idolized. The want vs the duty. The expectations and the responsibilities.
And one thing that the show refused to explore up until late into season 3 and start of season 4 was this specific parts of the Ladybugâs character
Marinetteâs Alterego
Quick question, what does ladybug (the superhero) represent?
Iâve seen people do this with superheroes, but I donât know nearly enough abt western superheroes to make an analogy so-
Princess tutu is the representation of Ahiruâs love for Mytho. Her purpose is to collect his heart shards to save him and make him happy. She desperately wants to make him whole again, out of pure devotion she has for him.
Sailor Moon is the representation of Usagiâs past as Princess Serenity. Her bonds that transcend space, itâs her duty to protect the earth like she couldnât protect the Moon Kingdom. By the end of the series, itâs her deep connections and love for the rest of the sailor scouts what drives her to bear the weight of saving the world.
Amulet Heart is the representation of Amuâs âI want to beâ self. Her desire to be sporty and happy, easy to mix with people. She has many others And through them all she aims to find herself. Who she really is, and where she fits in a school that idolizes a fake version of herself.
Pink Pearl Voice is representation of Luciaâs duty as a princess. She has seen her people be in distress and knows the weight her actions have on her nation. Her purpose is to fight those who want to hurt her kingdom. To return peace to the seven seas.
This is actually exemplified perfectly in Madoka, where all the girls make a wish. That wish is what fuels their heart, and if they lose sight of it - thatâs when their soul gems cracks.
Magical Girls are a wish. While they become magical girls to save the planet, thereâs something behind it that they guard deeply and wish to protect even more.
What exactly is ladybugâs purpose? What does she represent? Why did Marinette decide to become Ladybug?
Because of her sense of responsibility, you may say. But according to what weâve seen, where would that sense of responsibility come from? To protect her friends? Her country? Her school? Her family? Is it pressure from her parents? Or is it herself? Why pressure herself, and to this extend?
What exactly would have been her wish when she became Ladybug? Why would she have accepted a deal where her self is in jeorpardy, and continue to accept it as more and more burdens pile up on her ? Why when she has no real sense of duty?
In the case of chat Noir is easy to find. He wants to be free, wants to be able to escape his home that feels like a prison, but still craves a place that will welcome him as he is: a mischievous trickster who messes up sometimes.
He wants a place where to belong. And Ladybug offers that, while Chat Noir lends him the means to show that true self he canât allow to others. He would never give up his miraculous because it would mean loosing all that.
But Marinette doesnât have that. Whatâs stopping (in season 1-3) from ditching everything and asking Master Fu to find a new ladybug? Realistically.
This is why headcanons and fanfic do a better job than the series. Thereâs no clear answer. According to previous actions, we can speculate why. But we donât have a real reason.
We donât know what Ladybug represents. And if we donât know who Marinetteâs ideal self is, how can we know Marinette?
The closes thing we get to a âmotiveâ is the fact that as Ladybug she gets to be the leader and confident girl she always wanted to be, because sheâs clumsyâŠBut I have to say, that doesnât really make sense. And thatâs because
Marinetteâs True Self?
Right now, Marinette is an amalgamation of many different MC tropes all stitched together with the worldâs flimsiest needle. Itâs a poke away from entirely crumbling.
We have:
* I have a crush on my idol classmate
* I am clumsy and ditzy hehe sorry
* You cant bully people! Thatâs wrong and youâre a meanie!
* Standing up to bullies
* But also Iâm kind hearted and will offer a helping to hand to those ostracized by society
* Except if theyâre the villain or the villainâs minions, theyâre bad
* I am a natural born leader and inspire others
* But also I have no self steem and constantly doubt myself
* I am soo shyyy
* But also I will be weird abt my crush
I liked Marinette from the PV. She reminded me a lot of Ahiru. A kind and cheery girl, with a golden heart, who secretly crushes on her idol prince. Probably someone who would be kind to a fault, trying to brefriending even the ultimate boss.
But Marinette right now wouldnt. Or at least I think she wouldnât. I mean, she hates cloe and Lila, and would never offer to help them. Never has opened to them, and has an antagonistic rship with them.
But she did help Ivan that first time. And we see her forgive people who arenât explicitly villains.
But she WAS really nasty towards Kagami when they didnât even know all that much about her.
âIt makes her a complex character-!â
It makes her confusing. You canât know how sheâll act, so you canât understand her and her actions. It alienates her
Unfortunately, at this point we only have one defining characteristic of her. The one thing youâre sure wonât change, the one thing you can trust her to be no matter the circumstances. Her defining characteristic:
Adrien
Her feelings for Adrien are the only true constant.
We canât trust her to be kind, bcs maybe the girl is crushing on Adrien and weâve seen how she treat those girls. We canât trust her to put art before anything, bcs we rarely see her design. We canât trust her to be smart, clumsy, a good leader, a crybaby or happy.
The only thing we can trust about her, is Adrien
At the beginning of the series , Marinette was portrayed as a clumsy girl, that gets nervous around her crush easily but ultimately meant well. But that characterization didnât last long. Soon, with the Episode where they run for class president, Marinette is introduced as a natural born leader who easily takes charge in an emergency situation, when Adrien and her crush isnât involved.
And as we get to know more about her, itâs more obvious that - Marinette isnât clumsy. Not at all. She never messes up when it comes to her art. Or at schools projects. Doesnt forget stuff, or accidentally ruins smth bcs of her clumsiness. She only truly becomes a mess of mistakes whenever Adrien is around.
Which could work. Many other magical girls base their character around their love interest. Itâs not an automatic recipe for disaster. An MC with heavy focus on romance can work.
Ichigo Monomiya, for example, is someone whose crush is a big part of her character and motivation. She doesnât want Aoyama finding out about her, and her comedy and tragedy comes from how much she wants to spend time with him - but is unable to. But the reason why she canât confess, isnât because she gets nervous or canât seem to talk to him. Itâs because sheâs scared that when Aoyama finds out sheâs half-cat, heâll be grossed out and wonât want to date her.
And Ahiruâs entire wish is for Mytho to be happy at the cost of her own. For a while the only motivation she seemed to have was Mytho and we knew little abt her aside from that.
Marinette basing her entire identity around Adrien may not be a bad thing (writin wise) if the writers acknowledged thatâs what theyâre doing. If they allowed conflict to build upon it.
Maybe a explore who she is without Adrien, and how he affects the perception Marinette has on herself. Who does she become without him and more importantly
Why canât she get together with him?
Real, why canât Marinette get Adrien?
Well, the show has told us many times why. Awful consequences, the end of the world, etc etc.
But what Iâm asking is why Marinette canât get closer to Adrien?
what was stopping her from confessing? Being ladybug? Her own nervousness?
The first plot point doesnât get explored ever.
It only ever gets explored until season 4 and with /Luka/. That sheâll always be distant or unable to connect with someone because of how much she has to keep from him. And itâs also kinda weird, when you juxtapose Luka and Aoyama.
Aoyama is the main love interest in the anime Tokyo Mew Mew. He was often sad and disappointed that Ichigo couldnât put priority on him.
In one particular episode, he asked her out to go to the movies and was waiting for Ichigo, but a fight broke out and she was unable to go meet him. Mid-fight she does try to contact him but a jealous alien breaks her phone, making her unable to tell him sheâs going to be late.
The iconic scene where she comes late to her date, and Aoyama is still waiting in the rain, will always be ingrained in my mind. The music, the writing, it all builds up to this point. You can see how much they long to be together, but thereâs this impossible barrier for them. Cause entirely by circumstance. If Ichigo were normal, if she werenât a hero, if she were just like other girls, she would be with the man she loves.
But she canât. So she has to hide. Hide parts of herself, and her life. Even as she confesses that she loves him, sheâs hiding her tail and ears. Worried that heâll hate her but still trying to reach out.
And Aoyama forgives her. He says âI love you tooâ
It truly showed how they canât be 100% together. That thereâs a gap they can never truly fill.
And Aoyama /tries/. He doesnât break up with her, doesnât get angry, he hears how truly sorry she is and sees how anxious sheâs getting - and accepts it. He forgives her. Because thereâs things they still donât know about each other, and neither are ready to share.
Thatâs why Lukaâs reaction Is weird. Wanting the whole truth from your gf is strange. And yes, Marinette is an asshole for still crushing on Adrien - but Luka knew !! And he still accepted her. But he draws the line at Marinette having a secret he wonât tell her 2 month boyfriend and not even her closest friends KNOW??
So a fundamental part of Marinetteâs struggles were shoved into a padded 30 min episode. Where the blame is placed entirely on her.
And this still doesnât impact her rship with Adrien or Chat
Their relationship stays static. Never changing. Marinette is still a mess whenever he is on screen with him, and is helplessly in love with him.
Which bring us to point two: her nervousness.
This worked on the first few episodes and even seasons. But by this point, her nervousness is just not realistic, and it falls to the point of annoyance and even blatant fetishization by Thomasâ part.
Lets take it back to Princess Tutu. Also a shy clumsy girl who gets even worse when her crush is involved.
However, Ahiru gets competent the more time she spends with Mytho. By the end of it, even if sheâs scared or nervous, she jumps head first into danger to protect him. Sheâs able to have conversations with him, and even gets close to his friends. She breaks out of her crush so much, that sheâs willing to accept that Mytho is not meant for her.
But even so, she fights. Not to save Mytho, but to fight against a destiny she believes is unfair. She defies the destiny assigned to her, and fights even at the expense of her own dreams.
But Marinette stays the same. In recent episodes weâve seen her battle with the expectations of being responsible of, well, everything. But it all stays the same.
The love square that was the foundation of the story, never progresses. It never changes. They stay static. They donât talk about their feelings or are pushed to acknowledge that one is more or less important that the previously thought.
The reason for this I can only expect late. I believe, while I canât be 100% certain, that the creators of the show didnât want to continue developing the Love Square because they thought either one of two things:
âą developing this dynamic would mean changing dynamics, ending the status quo morphing the story into something they didnât want yet
âąThe dynamic can only change when the show is about to end, because thatâs when theyâre gonna get together. And thatâs the endgame
Which just proves to me a flawed writing and lack of direction from part of the creator. That resonates especially true when *furious* Thomas *furious* created various Cloe centric episodes, even though he never intended to give her a redemption arc for her.
Which is plain bad writing. Changing stuff doesnât necessarily mean an endgame is near. It just means things are changing.
Okay, maybe youâre having a hard time understanding what I mean. Imma be real mean to this series and compare it to the Magnus Opus of Magical Girls: Sailor Moon
Sailor Moon got together with Tuxedo mask in the first season, yet the writers were able to up the steaks of their relationship through its 5 season run- through memory loss, distance, anxieties of hurting one another, or simply developing their relationship.
In the very last season, Usagi is in a long distance rship with Mamoru. We see through bits and pieces that she misses him, and sheâs dealing with the turmoil of him not answering her messages. Sheâs lonely, and sad.
We see her reminiscent of her time with him. We see her break down and cry because he hasnât called her. We see her thinking of him when sheâs with Seiya. We see her be in love with him and we see how much it affected
And by the last few episodes, we get a payoff. We find out Mamoru is dead, and that he died confident that Usagi would be strong enough to protect the earth in his stead. That he believed in her, and he thought of her until the moment he died.
And when Sailor Moon defeats Sailor Galaxia, we get the payoff.
Itâs a very simple but powerful story, packaged in 45 episodes. With enough room to breathe, digest it, but not drawn out enough for it to be annoying.
All this, when the relationship was already stablished. We could have had something like this, if the writers WERENT drawing out the reveal and get together until the very last second
Because, apparently, thinking of love post-reveal is too much. Instead we watch them run and run in circles. Which just cheapens what was an iconic dynamic.
And everything because the writers donât actually know what they want to do with the love square. So they add new rivals, new teams, new accessories, side plots - all to avoid touching the actual core of what made the series great.
It strongly reminds me of Star vs. in that scenario the creators also werenât sure where to take the show. It wasnât until season 2 where they started the subplot of Star realizing Mewni colonized Monsters that it started having a sense of self. And it showed in the romantic subplot, which was all over the place. They didnât know what they wanted, so The romance in that show was a mess. Lack of direction and intention, aside from the knowledge that Star and Marco were the end game
I personally donât hate Star vs. I donât like how it handled romance but I will give it much leeway because the actual plot of Intergenerational conflict and coming to terms with the harm your ancestors have done to others - is quite compelling and not something I see tackled often.
But Miraculous does not get that. Itâs plot is simple and refuses to get into the murky waters of its own premise. Because, once again, the creators think that getting into them means the endgame is nearby.
So what did they do to artificially give the viewers a sense of progression?
The team.
All the emphasis on the story right now, is put instead on the new Miraculous Team. Which, is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the show, and the actual reason why I dropped the series.
Before we continue, quick question
What genre is ladybug borrowing from?Super hero? Magical Girl? Sentai?
Knowing the genre is knowing the story. And knowing the story, you have expectations and themes that the writers are expected to tackle. I mean, you expect science fiction to talk about computers and if their impact on society is good or bad. Same with these genres. Thatâs why itâs important to know
What genre are they trying to emulate??
Yeah I donât know either. It seems like a mix of all three, but these three genres are widely different. Itâs like trying to combine Fantasy, science fiction and Isekai, just because theyâre all fiction. Yeah theyâre a bit similar, but each has a theme and dynamic that fans are expecting to see.
But if what you know itâs a superficial level understanding of those genres, you may come out with something that everyone hates.
And thatâs what happened with ML. The initial focus on two superheroes is, again, complete magical girl territory. The monster of the week format that gets repetitive to a point, also is. So I didnât mind that. I was fine with little to no progression in certain episodes because I knew it came with the magical girl territory.
But things started to get weird, at episode 45 with the introduction ofâŠSighs, Rena Rouge.
I knew the moment Rena came that this was gonna get bad. I felt it in my bones that THIS was the sign of something insidious and awful boiling in the back of the show. This character marks the beginning of everything downhill in the show - itâs a glaring reminder of how awful the writing in this show is.
Donât get me wrong I love Alya. I love the character design of Rena and I donât think that - on a vacuum - her existing is bad. But her appearance signified that something even more rotten had happened behind the scenes.
They were trying to add more heroes. Heroes we didnât need, and breaking the delicate balance of Chat & Ladybugâs dynamic. Because they were never planned to be there. High chance it was just a cheap way to add filler and sell toys no one will buy.
The team is bad. They ditched the âMagical Girlâ formula and decided to go for a bit of a setain feeling. But they did this, so into the show that we ALREADY had a sense of their character as side character - bringing them to the spotlight was uncomfortable. Like suddenly making Molly a sailor scout, or giving Tomoyo clow cards in the middle of the second season.
Thatâs not their purpose in the story.
And theyâre introduced so haphazardly that thereâs hardly any time for them to hang out with each other
Since they donât GET to keep the kwamis, they donât get to participate on every chapter. Which means thereâs no sense of a âteamâ. Which makes you wonder why theyâre even considered a âteamâ
This is such a horrible decision it genuinely makes me wonder if these people KNOW how to create ANY story !!!
I feel like I keep comparing MLB to many decent and genuinely good magical girls animes. Which feels unfair, EVEN THO IT ISNT, because these are iconic animeâs that have left a print in media
So fine, letâs get this show to a level you all can understand how bad it is
DC superhero girls
The point of the show is a slice of life, and itâs GOOD, check it out if you can. Itâs something to turn on and enjoy, with little overarching plot.
But get this, the entire focus is to watch the team girls Interact. A lot of the comedy comes from watching these girls having fun and watching them come to terms with their own super powers. Watching them get in trouble as they hide their identity, and how they bounce from one another. Who helps who, who are besties, who kinda hate each other, who brings them together and who keeps them strong.
But because they all have to hide in miraculous ladybug, you donât see this. Which, btw, THIS is the foundation of both Magical girl GROUPS and Seitan. And I would argue you would get more leeway abt secret identities to one another in MG that Seitan. Seitanâs bread and butter IS team dynamics. The fact that we donât know how two superheroes that arenât ladybug and chat would behave around each other is an INSULT to the genre.
And the fact that Marinette is allowed to CHOOSE who is part of the team probably even a worst decision.
Most teams DONT get to chose who their partners are, and thatâs what makes it amazing.
Because itâs a bunch of people who are forced to be together, slowly learning to open up and depend on one another. Which creates amazing and profound bonds that one originally wasnât expecting.
Take for example Usagi. She didnât CHOOSE her team. Instead, she found it. They found her. While Ami and Makoto are kind to her, sheâs always butting heads with Rei, and playfully competing with Minako. They donât all coddle her, or think sheâs amaZing. They see her as a friend. A crybaby, clumsy but with a good heart who will help them out.
Tokyo Mew Mew has the same. Ichigo isnât in perfect terms with Mint and they butt heads. Zakuro is a loner that isnât integrated fully even in later episodes. But theyâre a team. They work together.
The fact that Marinette gets to pick, creates issues likeâŠQueen Bee. Who she kicked out (mostly) because sheâs not someone Marinette trusts. Even though time and time again Chloe showed she is very willing to help. In a GOOD series, this is a way of proving the MC that not everyone who is annoying or a missy, or has a different attitude than Hers, is a bad person. That are people who are willing to do good, if given the chance to do good.
But this it not a good series.
Thomas claimed in various tweets that âbullies can never be heroesâ and thatâsâŠ.insulting.
Never mind that Chloe is an neglected teen, this is show inspired by magical girls. Name ONE magical girl anime where the girl whoâs kinda mean to the MC but WANTS to do better - is shown to actually be cruel.
None. Princess Tutu has Rue. Shugo Chara has Utau. Sakura Card Captor has Mei. Sailor Moon has - well not girl but Fisheye -. Mermaid Melody has Sara. Mermaid Melody PURE has Michelle. Madoka has Homura. Lyrical Nanoha has Fate. Pretear has Mayune and Mawata. Tokyo Mew Mew has Mint AND Zakuro-
THIS IS THE THEME.
Magical girls are about forgiveness. Theyâre about kindness and the power of perceived feminity. Itâs about offering a helping hand, when the world is cruel to you. A magical girl doesnât raise her sword first. She talks. She asks. She feels. And only after all has been exhausted, she fights.
If a girl wants to be better, it doesnât matter what she did before. She is allowed a second chance.
Even Madoka, the âdarkestâ magical girl - she saves every girl who wanted to do better. She stopped them from becoming witches, because they didnât want to. But they were forced to. Forced to become horrible monsters, until someone killed them. But Madoka saved them.
The fact that Thomas spat on the very core of THE Magical Girl Genre. Shows what he is. An old dude, who THINKS he knows what little girls want. Who thinks a woman who was mean, is an evil creature that knows no remorse, and deserves to be hated forever. Not forgiven, or handed a second chance. But despised.
He is the type man that pollutes the genre. Who thinks he knows, but really no one wants him here.
ML is bad. For a number of reasons. But it fails to be what it promised to me. It failed me on the first day. And I still stuck with it. Because a lot of western series failed me on their initial take of a Magical Girl.
Star Vs wasnât best. Steven Universe didnât borrow enough. She-Raâs transformation left much to be desired.
But they all gave me something. And whatâs most important, it held its core belief.
âWomen can help one another. And kindness isnât weaknessâ
Miraculous isnât that. It disappointed and hurt me, because it believe the exact opposite. Marinette only cares about Adrien, and cares little for other women. She is antagonistic for any girl who shows interest in him.
In her eyes, kindness isnât a priority. Her friends and teammates, are all people she chose, not those who she had to learn to love and fight along side with.
If She-Raâs last season is the culmination of everything a Magical Girl should be in the west. Miraculous is the exact opposite.
It doesnât only fail as a show. It doesnât only fail as a Magical Girl show. It borrowed every last thing it had from the genre.
And once it was popular, it spat on it
Miraculous ladybug hates magical girls. And honestly,
I hate it too.
Adding to this, on why I feel like MLB fails is also
Theme
So, each magical girl anime has a theme directly tied to their powers and mission. The theme of the show is reflected in either their powers or the monsters, sending a final message that is important and the core of its series.
Sakura Card Captorâs is connections or rather, the relationships we have with one another and how they make us human. This is why her Cards are important. They tie neatly to a story relating to characters and why we should care about them.
Some Cards give you insight on people. The Illusion Card showed us how much Sakura longs for her mother. The Song Card tells us about Tomoyoâs love for music and her voice, and her care for Sakura. And it through bits and pieces we learn of people around her and how much they matter.
When the Final Judgement rolls around, whatâs put into jeopardy is precisely that. Her relationships and connections to others. If she loses, sheâll forget the feelings of Her Most Beloved Person. They show us a word without feelings, without connections, those same that the Cards helped formed and us to see - and itâs terrifying.
Thereâs no real enemy other than forgetting.
The Cards and the Theme are connected. Sakura even forms a bond with them. So in a way, Sakura keeping and using the Card is a way of her clinging to her feelings and treasuring the connections she has to others.
Tokyo Mew Mew has something similar.
It has a mostly environmental message. The girls become a hybrid of endangered animals l, trying to save the Earth. Itâs no coincidence that Chimeras are animals deformed. Polluted animals, corrupted ecosystems, only being able to be purified by people who care.
Some, like Rei, hold deep love for animals (Butterflies) and those are used to hurt others.
So their goal is not only to save the Earth (from aliens) but also to save Earth (nature, the planet, the environment) And their powers represent as much.
Even the Aliens chastise humans for destroying their home. They bear hatred for humans who seem to take for granted a home that they desperately want.
At the end, the Aliens are given a chance to rebuild their home with the scattered pieces of Mew Aqua. Aoyama (the one who always cares for the environment) is the one to help Ichigo destroy Deep Blue, who wanted to destroy Earth.
The enemies are both the distorted creations of pollution and those who want to take Earth for their own gain
So again, the theme connect to their powers. Their powers as endangered animals, to protect the Earth, the nature, that they have.
Princess Tutu is about destiny. This is the one whoâs most on the nose about it. Princess Tutu is a puppet for a cruel story made by Drosselmayer, and everyone else is following his command. All eternally cursed to repeat such a tale.
Tutu very much represents it. Her powers to restore Mythoâs heart are destiny based. Itâs her job (all thought unknown to her) to set the pieces back together so that the âPrince and the Ravenâ can continue. Sheâs the set piece that âturns back timeâ
At the end of the story, his heart is fragmented. So that the story can start again, she must bring him whole again. Only then can âThe Prince and the Ravenâ start. Once she sacrifices everything and gives up her humanity can the tragedy truly begin, The Prince sacrificing his heart to seal the Raven.
The story does however break this. She fights back against destiny. Making sure the story doesnât repeat itself and achieve a happy ending - even if itâs not for herself
The enemy itself is destiny.
Her powers originally given to her so that a destiny could be fulfilled, eventually got used to fight against it and give Mytho his happiness back.
Mermaid Melody is about hidden feelings, longing.
Many characters are unable to let go of the past, and wish/long for something. Luchia longs to confess her feelings, Hanon longs for her teacher, Kaito still waits upon the Mermaid who saved him, Sara is still in love with Taro, many of the mermaids want to bring peace to the seven seas, Gaito loves Sara, even the minions have wishes of the own.
And how do they express them? Through the songs. Through the same powers they have. Because the nature of them being turned into bubbles if they confess, the only true way for the protagonist to say their deepest feelings are true the songs they sing to defeat the villains. Perfect Blue is sung by Hanon when she realizes her love for Taro.
Saraâs longing for Taro creates âReturn to the Seaâ. Luchiaâs unrequited love creates âLegend of the Mermaidâ. Seiraâs wish to be born makes her sing âBirth of Loveâ.
The wishes that canât be voiced, the longing they have, are transmitted through songs; the powers they have. Theyâre connected once more.
The enemies in this case, either shut their own ears to avoid listening to said longing or outright sing over them.
Shugo Charaâs theme is self discovery. The shugo charas are representations of who they want to be - who they want to become.
As they solidify their dreams, their abilities and their wishes - theyâre able to transform in that self that is their ideal self.
Monsters come in the form of those who have lost their purpose or whose âshugo charaâ got corrupted or lost.
So while their powers are born from the ideal self - their identity - the monster come from those who corrupt them or demotivate them to follow said dreams.
Sailor moon has a different theme each season but in Sailer Moon SuperS itâs dream.
Everyone has a dream and Chibiusaâs pure dream is the one that attracts the power of Pegasus.
The enemies are those searching for other peopleâs dreams, so we learn about the victimâs dreams.
So itâs chibiusaâs dream powered magic that allows them to protect other peopleâs.
Hell, even Madoka has it. Hope.
Every magical girl is born out of hope; a wish. And itâs That wish that burns the one that keeps them going to fight the manifestation of despair: witches
When they realize that despair is the inevitable end of that hopeful wish they made, itâs when Madoka steps in. And through her selflessness, she uses hope filled Magic to destroy the despair (all witches) that burden the magical girls.
Again, through her hopeful magic, she defeats despair.
So now, what exactly is ladybugâs theme?
Quite hard to point out.
Iâve stated above that what it feels closer due to their power is this battle of âThe ideal vs the realâ on how Adrien is perceived as ideal but Chat is the real, and Marinette the real vs Ladybug the ideal.
However, these things never get fully explored.
The monsters, the akumas, are negative emotions. Anger, sadness, helplessness, and seeking retribution of them.
Maybe the butterflies are part of the transformation part?
While the powers are both âluckâ and âdestructionâ which makes even less sense when you try to pierce them together.
Luck, and bad luck. Creation and destruction. How do they tie to bad emotions?
Maybe if those bad feelings represented destruction, and only ladybug âcreationâ could be able to solve them. Then the theme of âTransformationâ could tie it all together.
You canât create without first destroying. And you can destroy if you havenât created yet. Like Chat canât work without Ladybug, then Ladybug canât work without Chat.
Quite ironic tho, because the show literally never âtransformsâ. The status quo stays pretty much the same and it never bothers to transform either itâs character or plot points.
It would be amazing if we had gotten to see Marinette truly change. Marinette becoming more like ladybug, and Adrien becoming more like Chat. If together, Adrien And Marinette (civilians) realized that they transform each other. It would perfectly fit the powers and the monsters. The theme of them being inseparable.
Not only as Chat and Lady but as Marinette and Adrien. How fun would it have been to see them constantly chafing one another? Seeing Ladybug become a bit more like chat? Or Chat more like ladybug?
And I know the show is trying, but itâs not succeeding - but imagine having Ladybug realizing she canât do it without Chat. Not only because he cares for him, but because they compliment each other. What if her powers wonât work if Chat isnât near? What if Chat tries to move on from Ladybug but feel useless?
Chat feeling awful because he can only destroy stuff. Ladybug reassuring him that itâs just part of transformation, and through breaking smth they can create smth new?
Ladybug accidentally creating something that she shouldnât have. Something dangerous and out of control and itâs Chat who saves her. Who reassured her that even if she messes up, heâll be there to clean up at the end.
What if the âMiraculous Ladybugâ shout at the end Returns everything to normal were a combination of Ladybug AND Chatâs powers?
This is what a good theme can do. A clear vision of what youâre trying to say, about what your characters do and should be fighting.
If you were to ask me, I wouldnât be able to tell you the Theme That MLB has RIGHT NOW.
And because it doesnât have a theme it feels like a bunch of loosely strung together pieces that make no sense when you try pierce them.
The enemies feed of bad emotions, CN and LBâs powers of luck and bad luck, the new heroes that have different powers - all random animals may I add. Not like sailor moon or Tokyo Mew Mew where theyâre Planets and Endangered animals specifically.
Nothing isâŠput together. Nothing is cohesive. One minute the show is telling you to forgive people who may do stuff BCS theyâre pressure by their environment (Zoe by Cloe) and the other the opposite (Cloe by her mother - a villain).
The theme that should be tying it all together doesnât exist. Whatâs the message? What do they wanna say? To all those young girls what are they trying to tell them?
That through connections to other people you can be happy?
That fighting and caring for the environment is something important and we should care?
That if you try hard enough even your awful destiny can be overturned?
That through singing you can share your deepest feelings even if you arenât allowed to say them?
That itâs okay to falter or not know who you are, as long as you keep trying youâll eventually become someone youâll be proud to be?
That dreams are important and you should fight to protect and keep them? No matter how silly?
That itâs okay to despair, because hope will always one? That you can make wishes, that things will be okay?
NO
Ladybug doesnât say shit. And Iâm not saying it has to say anything deep. Iâm just saying it has to say something! Anything! A theme! A message!
Bring an answer to all those little girls watching, or even a glimmer of peace to those a little more grown up doing the same!
Scarlett Lady does a great job at it.
The theme is simple.
Anyone can be a hero.
Scarlet Lady is a hero despite everything (in the public eye). And brings certain mobility for Chat and Marigold. And Marinette became a hero without a miraculous. And then with one.
Everyone can get akumatized, sure. But people can be heroes too. All that it takes is not giving in to your negative emotions, and choosing to take action.
Even Lila eventually becomes part of the group. Even she eventually helps. When Sabrina breaks out of Chloeâs shadow she becomes a hero in her own right, standing up to someone who hurt her. And standing up when Chloe tries to hurt others.
Is a simple message, one probably not even intended by the creator. But it shows that if you do it right if you have a clear sense of your characters of your story, their motivations and their powers - a theme isnât hard to get
It speaks volumes to its incompetence
That miraculous ladybug canât even bother to have a theme
If you want to write a fanfic you totally won't regret being a trash, try Miraculous Ladybug. But it's not recommended for people who didn't know about this show or fandom, pedaling back to the north pole is an option. Unless you have a group of friends who actively hates it to the bottom of their hearts and likes to dissects it deep down to the bottom of the earth for making more new ideas, you can go for it. Or you'll be in a whole new world of suffering.
Please give suggestions down below to stay sane for the gaping hole of the lack of conclusions so people who are curious suffer less.
Many Ways To Write Marinette
Write her as a good main character with good personality and non-toxic behaviour
Project ALL your frustations and make her do revenge spree because you feel unloved and want to go apeshit by making her do it
Just make her decent and not cray-cray. Not too special and not a psycho either. You are tired of people and want her to just be a character, not a caricature of her "quirky" "clumsy" self
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Why Writing Marinette Is So Hard For Me (and maybe you will relate)
I'd talked with my friend about MLB characters, particulary miss Mari Sue Bread-Maker here. Even though I cast aside my salty behaviour to her and trying to see her as a plastic doll figure to write as a character, I still can put a finger on her base personality. But I'm drawing blanks here. It's because when I look at her throughout the seasons, the writers always trying to stick cool things to her, never actually developing her base that would make a decent start in writing. It's like they got a bulletin board of her with some of her base personaliry being overwhelmed and stacked brim full with sticky notes of "cool", "quirky", and "not like the other girls" things because she is sooo amazing she needs to be good at everything except being near Adrien, teehee~
All I can think of is something her stans would call "personality" (which is quite questionable if you really want to meet that kind of person in real life) on this list :
Clumsy: This one is not a personality but a motoric problem and needed to get treated asap before you are flying down the stairs. Where's all the bruises she got if she falls for the nth time that day? Girl's skin are thinner than boys.
"Loving" Adrien: Again, not a personality but a problem that needs to be treated asap before she got jail time. That fireman is insane to help a teenager becoming a criminal early in her life. Don't tell me that's how he approaches his wife...
"Overly Planning": Thrice of again, go to therapy asap. We only see her doing this to Adrien, not even her mom got a ready gift for the next 20 years. You might say that it's different kind of "love" but nah. If she is a real planner, she would swipe out a gift for her mom asap from under her desk. If you follow with her having ALL of her classmates schedules, she would be burning through her textiles to get them presents for their birthday for at least another 2-3 years.
I asked again to another friend of mine who usually write ideas and AUs. He said that even though Mari Sue's talents are admirable in handiwork, it even got corroded when the seasons stretched out. It only got passing mention of a few minutes screentime of certain episodes, but there's nothing that can ties her "passion" to her personality. She doesn't examine the texture of textiles, saying that it feels appropriate for [project] (eye for details); she doesn't take notes or inspirations from a painting, feelings, or stories ; heck, she doesn't even carry her needle and threads everywhere she goes in case of something; not even excitedly rambling about fashion like freaking Alya rambling about her scoop of journalism. The little details is to build importance of her passion, and it shows that the writers just don't care.
No wonder all I can think of when thought of her is her creepy, stalkerish, obsessive, and control freak tendencies because it's what apparently stay coherent throughout the seasons.
Seriously. All I can do is making an entire whole new personalities for her and I don't freaking wanna do that because I want to go straight to writing with a decent base. I would lose my drive to write just to remember to separate Mari Sue canon self and what personality I think would fit in.
About S4 and S5
Fandom: Zoe have been planned from the start! It's just Chloe stans being delusional!
S3 Eps 18 Timetagger
Future Bunnyx: Chat Noir is sooooo reckless! He lost a miraculous in the future!
S4 Finale
Ladybug: *freaking lost ALL the miraculouses*
You can't freaking make up this shit. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHASJ
There's no freaking way Bunnyx would say that shit unless she have a BIIIIGGG FAT CRUSH on Ladybug and have bias larger than universe itself